Going downhill means that every episode got worse and worse. But I think Ep.5 is the second best of season 1. You're basically saying that ANF is better than TFS is there was just a constant decline in quality. The series as a whole has had its ups and downs.
I liked the party, getting to know the characters backstories. I especially liked how you could play through it twice and learn new things. I loved sneaking onto the ship, basically everything after you sneak on the ship was great to me. Getting captured, confronting Minerva and Lilly, the fight sequences. I liked the short but sweet romance scenes too.
I'm only talking about Season 4 wich in my opinion got worse and worse after episode 1. The graphics, design, sound, models is one of the best things that Telltale Tool could achieve but the script is not helping...
Going downhill means that every episode got worse and worse. But I think Ep.5 is the second best of season 1. You're basically saying that A… moreNF is better than TFS is there was just a constant decline in quality. The series as a whole has had its ups and downs.
Yeah episode 1 was the best one,but after that it got worse.
They dicked around too much,they decided to sacrifice the plot to develop the characters a little bit more in episode 2,and it wasn't a good idea.
Also bringing back Lilly was probably the worst idea they had for this season,they should've just made a new original antagonist,instead of butchering her character.
I'm only talking about Season 4 wich in my opinion got worse and worse after episode 1. The graphics, design, sound, models is one of the best things that Telltale Tool could achieve but the script is not helping...
This episode was pretty awesome to play for me. I can see that it had flaws but so far i think this might be my second favorite season (S1 ❤️). That being said, I'm surprised you hated the episode.
Time now 13:25 UK time. No ideas yet, I’ll start from base...
Okay well let’s start by giving Lilly some actual depth. We didn’t wait like a decade for what we got.
We could have started the mission watching them driving off. Lilly reminiscing on a time she met Abel shortly after ditching Lees group and then ordering the group to go back for him.
Cut to our playable character Clementine, cleaning up the mess, tying up Abel and suddenly Lilly is back. James hears the commotion and comes to the fray. Then you can have the ending of episode 3 at the beginning instead. Literally missing nothing.
After Lilly’s death/ James’ death, you can have a genuine moment between Clem and her love interest, planning to go get their captured friends then escaping the area. Imagining a genuine future together.
Don’t have Louis with his tongue chopped out. That offered nothing.
Have a Lee flashback be shorter and more meaningful. I can’t remember a single thing he said aside from “sweet pea” - he gave no good advice and didn’t change Clementines outlook on anything. Also being a “dream” of him wasn’t good. Have an actual flashback.
Instead, why not -in the aftermath of war - have Clementine torn between escaping with AJ and her love interest, or staying and helping rescue the school kids. Then remember a time Lee giving her a pep talk about sticking together before Crawford (if you decided to let her come) - sure I could improve this idea but I have 10 mins, come on! It’s still better than what we got!
Then you could have the episode end with them about to set off, but Minerva and the person you let them capture (Louis or Violet) come back and shoot our actual love interest. Out of anger/feeling betrayed/having their head turned. Then we get the option to shoot them back or spare them. Then hit the road with AJ and start anew for the last chapter.
In between all this, let the player do things, solve puzzles like in season 1 with the school. All we got to do in this episode was make Clementine walk and then watch the cutscenes. I could have played it with one finger.
13:34 finish time.
Above was not perfect but I didn’t get time to polish it up. It’s already better though
Time now 13:25 UK time. No ideas yet, I’ll start from base...
Okay well let’s start by giving Lilly some actual depth. We didn’t wait lik… moree a decade for what we got.
We could have started the mission watching them driving off. Lilly reminiscing on a time she met Abel shortly after ditching Lees group and then ordering the group to go back for him.
Cut to our playable character Clementine, cleaning up the mess, tying up Abel and suddenly Lilly is back. James hears the commotion and comes to the fray. Then you can have the ending of episode 3 at the beginning instead. Literally missing nothing.
After Lilly’s death/ James’ death, you can have a genuine moment between Clem and her love interest, planning to go get their captured friends then escaping the area. Imagining a genuine future together.
Don’t have Louis with his tongue chopped out. That offered nothing.
Have a Lee flashback be shorter and more meaningful. I can’t rememb… [view original content]
Above was not perfect but I didn’t get time to polish it up. It’s already better though
Well, let's see...
We could have started the mission watching them driving off. Lilly reminiscing on a time she met Abel shortly after ditching Lees group and then ordering the group to go back for him.
That makes no sense at all because Lilly is not the point of view through which this story is told, which is one if the most important things in every story. They also left the school because it was overrun by walkers. It just makes no sense for her to go back, risking her people's lifes for Abel.
Cut to our playable character Clementine, cleaning up the mess, tying up Abel and suddenly Lilly is back. James hears the commotion and comes to the fray. Then you can have the ending of episode 3 at the beginning instead. Literally missing nothing
This makes no sense on a structural level. You can't end on a big cliffhanger like E2, only to roll back on it right at the beginning of E3. It removes the urgency of the story and let's it end like a dry fart without build-up and pay-off.
It also makes James pointless, since his big pay-off moment - leading the herd to the boat - doesn't exist, making his character arc end like ... a dry fart.
After Lilly’s death/ James’ death, you can have a genuine moment between Clem and her love interest, planning to go get their captured friends then escaping the area. Imagining a genuine future together.
So basically like that party scene if you strip away any character moments in favor of plot progression.
Don’t have Louis with his tongue chopped out. That offered nothing.
Well, okay.
Have a Lee flashback be shorter and more meaningful. I can’t remember a single thing he said aside from “sweet pea” - he gave no good advice and didn’t change Clementines outlook on anything. Also being a “dream” of him wasn’t good. Have an actual flashback.
That scene exist to give us further exposition that Clementine likes this new group, which was handled pretty nicely as it was.
Instead, why not -in the aftermath of war - have Clementine torn between escaping with AJ and her love interest, or staying and helping rescue the school kids. Then remember a time Lee giving her a pep talk about sticking together before Crawford (if you decided to let her come) - sure I could improve this idea but I have 10 mins, come on! It’s still better than what we got!
Her being torn about saving the children makes no sense, since she's already determinant to do so at the end of E2. That would just needlessly reelaborate how she's been in several groups already and how they've all gone to shit, which could've been brought up in the Lee sequence like it actually happened in the episode.
Then you could have the episode end with them about to set off, but Minerva and the person you let them capture (Louis or Violet) come back and shoot our actual love interest. Out of anger/feeling betrayed/having their head turned. Then we get the option to shoot them back or spare them. Then hit the road with AJ and start anew for the last chapter.
There's a few things here:
First. during the whole episode we stayed at the school and planned to rescue the children, then they come back with Minerva to attack us - even though they were with Lilly's people and Minerva wasn't there at all but hey, you only got 10 minutes so whatever - which makes the majority of the episode completely pointless.
Second. It makes absolutely NO sense at all for either Violet or Louis to come back and ATTACK the school. Like, at all. Neither emotional, nor narratively. They also couldn't have possibly have their heads turned in that time.
In between all this, let the player do things, solve puzzles like in season 1 with the school.
So, filler content? I get your criticism how easy the game plays, but at least pretty much every scene kind of served a purpose on either a plot, character or structural level.
There are a more problems with your pitch of the episode, but I think that's enough. Reading things like this makes me appreciate the actual writing-talent of the writers so much more, even if I disagree with some of their decision.
Time now 13:25 UK time. No ideas yet, I’ll start from base...
Okay well let’s start by giving Lilly some actual depth. We didn’t wait lik… moree a decade for what we got.
We could have started the mission watching them driving off. Lilly reminiscing on a time she met Abel shortly after ditching Lees group and then ordering the group to go back for him.
Cut to our playable character Clementine, cleaning up the mess, tying up Abel and suddenly Lilly is back. James hears the commotion and comes to the fray. Then you can have the ending of episode 3 at the beginning instead. Literally missing nothing.
After Lilly’s death/ James’ death, you can have a genuine moment between Clem and her love interest, planning to go get their captured friends then escaping the area. Imagining a genuine future together.
Don’t have Louis with his tongue chopped out. That offered nothing.
Have a Lee flashback be shorter and more meaningful. I can’t rememb… [view original content]
I knew I’d get someone telling me how crap my idea was, and I was prepared for them to be right. I’m no writer, I just knew I could do better than that
But I actually have to defend my pile of crap after reading your rebuttal.
Louis coming back and betraying the group makes WAY more sense. He’d have fallen for Clementine, to then have her allow him to get captured. Then for all he knew, no rescue mission. A broken heart is capable.
How does that not make more sense than him just not having a tongue and being scared of everything?
And what the bloody hell was that Minerva thing?? She shot her own Sister for kicks. That was ridiculous!! Yet you think a heartbroken Louis/Violet betraying the group for a genuine reason makes you appreciate their writing ability???
Someone killing a love rival is a worse idea than someone killing their own Sister for no reason, yeah? I’m flabbergasted pal
Above was not perfect but I didn’t get time to polish it up. It’s already better though
Well, let's see...
We could have start… moreed the mission watching them driving off. Lilly reminiscing on a time she met Abel shortly after ditching Lees group and then ordering the group to go back for him.
That makes no sense at all because Lilly is not the point of view through which this story is told, which is one if the most important things in every story. They also left the school because it was overrun by walkers. It just makes no sense for her to go back, risking her people's lifes for Abel.
Cut to our playable character Clementine, cleaning up the mess, tying up Abel and suddenly Lilly is back. James hears the commotion and comes to the fray. Then you can have the ending of episode 3 at the beginning instead. Literally missing nothing
This makes no sense on a structural level. You can't end on a big cliffhanger lik… [view original content]
Louis coming back and betraying the group makes WAY more sense. He’d have fallen for Clementine, to then have her allow him to get captured. Then for all he knew, no rescue mission. A broken heart is capable.
His thought-process just makes no sense. He's being captured during a raid with chaos everywhere and walkers coming in through the gate and comes to the conclusion, that he was left being captured ... and it was Clementine's fault? I can not put in words how dumb this is and that doesn't even include the part that he returnes to kill his friends he knew for 8 years because his heart is broken by a girl he knew for maybe three weeks?
I mean, I get what you were going for, but that just doesn't work.
How does that not make more sense than him just not having a tongue and being scared of everything?
Him getting his tongue cut out is the result of one of his character-traits. He LOVES to talk, so the Delta used that to silence him and break him and, you know, to turn his head.
And what the bloody hell was that Minerva thing?? She shot her own Sister for kicks. That was ridiculous!! Yet you think a heartbroken Louis/Violet betraying the group for a genuine reason makes you appreciate their writing ability???
She shot her sister, because she was manipulated and brain washed by the Delta. Is that really more feasible than Louis killing his friends because of his love for Clementine? Well, of course it is!
Someone killing a love rival is a worse idea than someone killing their own Sister for no reason, yeah? I’m flabbergasted pal
It's not about what's better morally. It's about what's better narratively and Louis killing his friends because of his love for Clementine simply does not work considering the first two episodes of the season, his character during those episodes and how the whole storyline was set up.
I'm sorry, but you seem to lack the understanding of who these characters are and how characters and motivations work in a story. Is the execution of what we actual got perfect? Of course not. Does it work better on a narrative level than yours? No doubt.
I knew I’d get someone telling me how crap my idea was, and I was prepared for them to be right. I’m no writer, I just knew I could do bette… morer than that
But I actually have to defend my pile of crap after reading your rebuttal.
Louis coming back and betraying the group makes WAY more sense. He’d have fallen for Clementine, to then have her allow him to get captured. Then for all he knew, no rescue mission. A broken heart is capable.
How does that not make more sense than him just not having a tongue and being scared of everything?
And what the bloody hell was that Minerva thing?? She shot her own Sister for kicks. That was ridiculous!! Yet you think a heartbroken Louis/Violet betraying the group for a genuine reason makes you appreciate their writing ability???
Someone killing a love rival is a worse idea than someone killing their own Sister for no reason, yeah? I’m flabbergasted pal
To each their own, I guess.
Louis coming back and betraying the group makes WAY more sense. He’d have fallen for Clementine, to then have her allow him to get captured.… more Then for all he knew, no rescue mission. A broken heart is capable.
His thought-process just makes no sense. He's being captured during a raid with chaos everywhere and walkers coming in through the gate and comes to the conclusion, that he was left being captured ... and it was Clementine's fault? I can not put in words how dumb this is and that doesn't even include the part that he returnes to kill his friends he knew for 8 years because his heart is broken by a girl he knew for maybe three weeks?
I mean, I get what you were going for, but that just doesn't work.
How does that not make more sense than him just not having a tongue and being scared of everything?
Him getting his tongue cut out is the result of one of his character-traits. He LOVES to talk, so the Delta used that … [view original content]
Maybe I lack understanding with characters, but I think you must lack understanding with people
I already wrote that I understand what you're going for with these changes, but those changes still make no sense with THOSE characters and how they've been written in the previous episodes and how the story was set up to begin with.
He wouldn’t shoot his friends, plural. But love rival, in this scenario.
I know if I were to ever be in the state of mind to kill, I’d mu… morech rather kill a love rival than a family member.
Maybe I lack understanding with characters, but I think you must lack understanding with people
Time now 13:25 UK time. No ideas yet, I’ll start from base...
Okay well let’s start by giving Lilly some actual depth. We didn’t wait lik… moree a decade for what we got.
We could have started the mission watching them driving off. Lilly reminiscing on a time she met Abel shortly after ditching Lees group and then ordering the group to go back for him.
Cut to our playable character Clementine, cleaning up the mess, tying up Abel and suddenly Lilly is back. James hears the commotion and comes to the fray. Then you can have the ending of episode 3 at the beginning instead. Literally missing nothing.
After Lilly’s death/ James’ death, you can have a genuine moment between Clem and her love interest, planning to go get their captured friends then escaping the area. Imagining a genuine future together.
Don’t have Louis with his tongue chopped out. That offered nothing.
Have a Lee flashback be shorter and more meaningful. I can’t rememb… [view original content]
The only thing that bothers the hell outta me is how that idiot James just stood there and neither Clem or Tenn said anything. Otherwise it's one of the best episodes in my opinion.
The only thing that bothers the hell outta me is how that idiot James just stood there and neither Clem or Tenn said anything. Otherwise it's one of the best episodes in my opinion.
So I came back to read this and I gotta say, aside from Louis not getting his tongue cut out and at least the concept of learning how Lily met Abel, this on the spot write up does seem super odd.
There's a number of issues here, but the one I'll focus on foremost is Lilith coming literally right back and her/James getting killed near the beginning of the episode, presumably before the first act can even take off.
Time now 13:25 UK time. No ideas yet, I’ll start from base...
Okay well let’s start by giving Lilly some actual depth. We didn’t wait lik… moree a decade for what we got.
We could have started the mission watching them driving off. Lilly reminiscing on a time she met Abel shortly after ditching Lees group and then ordering the group to go back for him.
Cut to our playable character Clementine, cleaning up the mess, tying up Abel and suddenly Lilly is back. James hears the commotion and comes to the fray. Then you can have the ending of episode 3 at the beginning instead. Literally missing nothing.
After Lilly’s death/ James’ death, you can have a genuine moment between Clem and her love interest, planning to go get their captured friends then escaping the area. Imagining a genuine future together.
Don’t have Louis with his tongue chopped out. That offered nothing.
Have a Lee flashback be shorter and more meaningful. I can’t rememb… [view original content]
Well you’re probably right it is stupid. But why do I think it’s better...?
Between Lilly driving off and then her or James getting killed, what actually happened in the story?
So by cutting out a load of nothing, like those walkers staring at a bell end, Willy talking about masturbating and anything to do with Minerva... my way at least gets to the point
So I came back to read this and I gotta say, aside from Louis not getting his tongue cut out and at least the concept of learning how Lily m… moreet Abel, this on the spot write up does seem super odd.
There's a number of issues here, but the one I'll focus on foremost is Lilith coming literally right back and her/James getting killed near the beginning of the episode, presumably before the first act can even take off.
I have a bit of a biased opinion when discussions arise about The Walking Dead, but I found Episode 3 to be amazing, narrative wise, it was great in my eyes, we got a large amount of character development from Louis, Violet, AJ, Clementine, James, the list could go on, but everyone of the main cast had their moment to make an impact, and to me, they did.
The only issues I had with the Episode were technical, and even then, they were not major and did not become apparent in my original playthrough as I was having too much fun and I was heavily invested in the plot and characters.
In my super biased opinion, Episode 3 "Broken Toys" is up there with the great Walking Dead Episodes.
No, back at Season 1 you can see the huge improvement on episode 2 (Wich in my opinion is the best episode that Telltale ever produced). The only bad episode in Season 1 was 4.
Season 2 suffered from character development by killing all the cabin group in the most nosensical way but even with this the episodes were good, the only bad one was 4 again
Season 3 was shit from the start
Michonne Series was the shit from the shit
And now Season 4 went downhill after episode 1, all because of the script and is not because of Lilly but she is one of the reasons tho.
No, back at Season 1 you can see the huge improvement on episode 2 (Wich in my opinion is the best episode that Telltale ever produced). The… more only bad episode in Season 1 was 4.
Season 2 suffered from character development by killing all the cabin group in the most nosensical way but even with this the episodes were good, the only bad one was 4 again
Season 3 was shit from the start
Michonne Series was the shit from the shit
And now Season 4 went downhill after episode 1, all because of the script and is not because of Lilly but she is one of the reasons tho.
We find Minerva and figure out what happened to Sophie, which actually is an important plot element. We find out why the kids were sent to the boarding school in the first place, which adds an extra bit of development to their characters. We learn more about James's philosophy when it comes to walkers and we learn more about his past which draws parallels to AJ and why he likely shouldn't take another human life, which comes into play later in the third act. We learn the fate of the captured prisoners and Violet and Louis have different reactions based on who you let capture which are both important moments in the development of each character. But yeah, aside from those things, nothing of importance happened in this episode.
Sarcasm aside, man, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Your version isn't "cutting out a load of nothing". Your version is structurally flawed and has no understanding of storytelling and character motivation.
those walkers staring at a bell end
This is an important scene because it gives James incentive to help Clementine rescue her friends. He's not gonna just blindly help some girl he met like two weeks ago. If he just helped her without question, that'd just be lazy writing.
Willy talking about masturbating
This is a five second scene that was mostly played off for laughs, so I really don't know what you're on about.
anything to do with Minerva
How exactly is this a "load of nothing." What happened to Minerva and Sophie is something that's been being built up since Done Running. It didn't just come out of nowhere. Would you rather they have not explained it at all or just completely pushed Minerva to the sidelines after all that build up? Again, that'd just be lazy writing.
my way gets to the point
Getting to the point does not automatically equal better writing. The little details in the story matter as well.
Well you’re probably right it is stupid. But why do I think it’s better...?
Between Lilly driving off and then her or James getting kille… mored, what actually happened in the story?
So by cutting out a load of nothing, like those walkers staring at a bell end, Willy talking about masturbating and anything to do with Minerva... my way at least gets to the point
Getting to the point does not automatically equal better writing. The little details in the story matter as well.
Thank you. Getting to the point faster by cutting out everything that makes that point worthwhile in the first place is an odd way to tell a story.
I mean, you could even say that cutting everything out turns that point into a space of nothing, since without the details - like character developement and motivation, overal themes and character arcs - you're not really saying anything with your story, which means you can't really make a point, because you never said anything in the first place.
what actually happened in the story?
We find Minerva and figure out what happened to Sophie, which actually is an important plot ele… morement. We find out why the kids were sent to the boarding school in the first place, which adds an extra bit of development to their characters. We learn more about James's philosophy when it comes to walkers and we learn more about his past which draws parallels to AJ and why he likely shouldn't take another human life, which comes into play later in the third act. We learn the fate of the captured prisoners and Violet and Louis have different reactions based on who you let capture which are both important moments in the development of each character. But yeah, aside from those things, nothing of importance happened in this episode.
Sarcasm aside, man, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Your version isn't "cutting out a load of nothing". Your version is structurally flawed and has n… [view original content]
i actually like ep3 and think is acording to the story so far, clem wanted revenge on that fucking lilly and rescue her friends so why is so hard for you guys to accept its a good reléase? also have in mind that skybound dont have all the years in experience that telltale have, so mind to give them a break too
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Going downhill means that every episode got worse and worse. But I think Ep.5 is the second best of season 1. You're basically saying that ANF is better than TFS is there was just a constant decline in quality. The series as a whole has had its ups and downs.
I liked the party, getting to know the characters backstories. I especially liked how you could play through it twice and learn new things. I loved sneaking onto the ship, basically everything after you sneak on the ship was great to me. Getting captured, confronting Minerva and Lilly, the fight sequences. I liked the short but sweet romance scenes too.
I'm only talking about Season 4 wich in my opinion got worse and worse after episode 1. The graphics, design, sound, models is one of the best things that Telltale Tool could achieve but the script is not helping...
Yeah episode 1 was the best one,but after that it got worse.
They dicked around too much,they decided to sacrifice the plot to develop the characters a little bit more in episode 2,and it wasn't a good idea.
Also bringing back Lilly was probably the worst idea they had for this season,they should've just made a new original antagonist,instead of butchering her character.
This episode was pretty awesome to play for me. I can see that it had flaws but so far i think this might be my second favorite season (S1 ❤️). That being said, I'm surprised you hated the episode.
Time now 13:25 UK time. No ideas yet, I’ll start from base...
Okay well let’s start by giving Lilly some actual depth. We didn’t wait like a decade for what we got.
We could have started the mission watching them driving off. Lilly reminiscing on a time she met Abel shortly after ditching Lees group and then ordering the group to go back for him.
Cut to our playable character Clementine, cleaning up the mess, tying up Abel and suddenly Lilly is back. James hears the commotion and comes to the fray. Then you can have the ending of episode 3 at the beginning instead. Literally missing nothing.
After Lilly’s death/ James’ death, you can have a genuine moment between Clem and her love interest, planning to go get their captured friends then escaping the area. Imagining a genuine future together.
Don’t have Louis with his tongue chopped out. That offered nothing.
Have a Lee flashback be shorter and more meaningful. I can’t remember a single thing he said aside from “sweet pea” - he gave no good advice and didn’t change Clementines outlook on anything. Also being a “dream” of him wasn’t good. Have an actual flashback.
Instead, why not -in the aftermath of war - have Clementine torn between escaping with AJ and her love interest, or staying and helping rescue the school kids. Then remember a time Lee giving her a pep talk about sticking together before Crawford (if you decided to let her come) - sure I could improve this idea but I have 10 mins, come on! It’s still better than what we got!
Then you could have the episode end with them about to set off, but Minerva and the person you let them capture (Louis or Violet) come back and shoot our actual love interest. Out of anger/feeling betrayed/having their head turned. Then we get the option to shoot them back or spare them. Then hit the road with AJ and start anew for the last chapter.
In between all this, let the player do things, solve puzzles like in season 1 with the school. All we got to do in this episode was make Clementine walk and then watch the cutscenes. I could have played it with one finger.
13:34 finish time.
Above was not perfect but I didn’t get time to polish it up. It’s already better though
Isn't that usually the way though?
Hmm. Not bad for 10 mins
Well, let's see...
That makes no sense at all because Lilly is not the point of view through which this story is told, which is one if the most important things in every story. They also left the school because it was overrun by walkers. It just makes no sense for her to go back, risking her people's lifes for Abel.
This makes no sense on a structural level. You can't end on a big cliffhanger like E2, only to roll back on it right at the beginning of E3. It removes the urgency of the story and let's it end like a dry fart without build-up and pay-off.
It also makes James pointless, since his big pay-off moment - leading the herd to the boat - doesn't exist, making his character arc end like ... a dry fart.
So basically like that party scene if you strip away any character moments in favor of plot progression.
Well, okay.
That scene exist to give us further exposition that Clementine likes this new group, which was handled pretty nicely as it was.
Her being torn about saving the children makes no sense, since she's already determinant to do so at the end of E2. That would just needlessly reelaborate how she's been in several groups already and how they've all gone to shit, which could've been brought up in the Lee sequence like it actually happened in the episode.
There's a few things here:
First. during the whole episode we stayed at the school and planned to rescue the children, then they come back with Minerva to attack us - even though they were with Lilly's people and Minerva wasn't there at all but hey, you only got 10 minutes so whatever - which makes the majority of the episode completely pointless.
Second. It makes absolutely NO sense at all for either Violet or Louis to come back and ATTACK the school. Like, at all. Neither emotional, nor narratively. They also couldn't have possibly have their heads turned in that time.
So, filler content? I get your criticism how easy the game plays, but at least pretty much every scene kind of served a purpose on either a plot, character or structural level.
There are a more problems with your pitch of the episode, but I think that's enough. Reading things like this makes me appreciate the actual writing-talent of the writers so much more, even if I disagree with some of their decision.
I knew I’d get someone telling me how crap my idea was, and I was prepared for them to be right. I’m no writer, I just knew I could do better than that
But I actually have to defend my pile of crap after reading your rebuttal.
Louis coming back and betraying the group makes WAY more sense. He’d have fallen for Clementine, to then have her allow him to get captured. Then for all he knew, no rescue mission. A broken heart is capable.
How does that not make more sense than him just not having a tongue and being scared of everything?
And what the bloody hell was that Minerva thing?? She shot her own Sister for kicks. That was ridiculous!! Yet you think a heartbroken Louis/Violet betraying the group for a genuine reason makes you appreciate their writing ability???
Someone killing a love rival is a worse idea than someone killing their own Sister for no reason, yeah? I’m flabbergasted pal
To each their own, I guess.
His thought-process just makes no sense. He's being captured during a raid with chaos everywhere and walkers coming in through the gate and comes to the conclusion, that he was left being captured ... and it was Clementine's fault? I can not put in words how dumb this is and that doesn't even include the part that he returnes to kill his friends he knew for 8 years because his heart is broken by a girl he knew for maybe three weeks?
I mean, I get what you were going for, but that just doesn't work.
Him getting his tongue cut out is the result of one of his character-traits. He LOVES to talk, so the Delta used that to silence him and break him and, you know, to turn his head.
She shot her sister, because she was manipulated and brain washed by the Delta. Is that really more feasible than Louis killing his friends because of his love for Clementine? Well, of course it is!
It's not about what's better morally. It's about what's better narratively and Louis killing his friends because of his love for Clementine simply does not work considering the first two episodes of the season, his character during those episodes and how the whole storyline was set up.
I'm sorry, but you seem to lack the understanding of who these characters are and how characters and motivations work in a story. Is the execution of what we actual got perfect? Of course not. Does it work better on a narrative level than yours? No doubt.
He wouldn’t shoot his friends, plural. But love rival, in this scenario.
I know if I were to ever be in the state of mind to kill, I’d much rather kill a love rival than a family member.
Maybe I lack understanding with characters, but I think you must lack understanding with people
I already wrote that I understand what you're going for with these changes, but those changes still make no sense with THOSE characters and how they've been written in the previous episodes and how the story was set up to begin with.
Episode 3 was one of my favorite episodes, definitely up there in the top 3.
It was because of Lilly, isn't it?
When Inspiration strikes,__!
The only thing that bothers the hell outta me is how that idiot James just stood there and neither Clem or Tenn said anything. Otherwise it's one of the best episodes in my opinion.
Ah, but no man, it's about, like, drama and stuff.
So I came back to read this and I gotta say, aside from Louis not getting his tongue cut out and at least the concept of learning how Lily met Abel, this on the spot write up does seem super odd.
There's a number of issues here, but the one I'll focus on foremost is Lilith coming literally right back and her/James getting killed near the beginning of the episode, presumably before the first act can even take off.
Well you’re probably right it is stupid. But why do I think it’s better...?
Between Lilly driving off and then her or James getting killed, what actually happened in the story?
So by cutting out a load of nothing, like those walkers staring at a bell end, Willy talking about masturbating and anything to do with Minerva... my way at least gets to the point
I have a bit of a biased opinion when discussions arise about The Walking Dead, but I found Episode 3 to be amazing, narrative wise, it was great in my eyes, we got a large amount of character development from Louis, Violet, AJ, Clementine, James, the list could go on, but everyone of the main cast had their moment to make an impact, and to me, they did.
The only issues I had with the Episode were technical, and even then, they were not major and did not become apparent in my original playthrough as I was having too much fun and I was heavily invested in the plot and characters.
In my super biased opinion, Episode 3 "Broken Toys" is up there with the great Walking Dead Episodes.
No they weren't?
You are right, they weren't. They did Minecraft for Netflix and then moved on to be fired. The TWD team were one of the first people to be let go.
Wow...your parents made a mistake that night
No, back at Season 1 you can see the huge improvement on episode 2 (Wich in my opinion is the best episode that Telltale ever produced). The only bad episode in Season 1 was 4.
Season 2 suffered from character development by killing all the cabin group in the most nosensical way but even with this the episodes were good, the only bad one was 4 again
Season 3 was shit from the start
Michonne Series was the shit from the shit
And now Season 4 went downhill after episode 1, all because of the script and is not because of Lilly but she is one of the reasons tho.
ngl, done running and suffer the children are pretty boring compared to broken toys. Best episode in a long time.
That's what I said: after Season 1, each subsequent game starts to decline as they progress past the first two.
ANF is the exception.
Nah, Michonne was fine for what it was.
It still followed the trend to a degree, but it was decent.
So, yeah, because of her to a degree?
I'll get the ice.
On a more serious/getting on topic note, this is far from the worst episode in the series, even if you haven't played ANF.
We find Minerva and figure out what happened to Sophie, which actually is an important plot element. We find out why the kids were sent to the boarding school in the first place, which adds an extra bit of development to their characters. We learn more about James's philosophy when it comes to walkers and we learn more about his past which draws parallels to AJ and why he likely shouldn't take another human life, which comes into play later in the third act. We learn the fate of the captured prisoners and Violet and Louis have different reactions based on who you let capture which are both important moments in the development of each character. But yeah, aside from those things, nothing of importance happened in this episode.
Sarcasm aside, man, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Your version isn't "cutting out a load of nothing". Your version is structurally flawed and has no understanding of storytelling and character motivation.
This is an important scene because it gives James incentive to help Clementine rescue her friends. He's not gonna just blindly help some girl he met like two weeks ago. If he just helped her without question, that'd just be lazy writing.
This is a five second scene that was mostly played off for laughs, so I really don't know what you're on about.
How exactly is this a "load of nothing." What happened to Minerva and Sophie is something that's been being built up since Done Running. It didn't just come out of nowhere. Would you rather they have not explained it at all or just completely pushed Minerva to the sidelines after all that build up? Again, that'd just be lazy writing.
Getting to the point does not automatically equal better writing. The little details in the story matter as well.
Thank you. Getting to the point faster by cutting out everything that makes that point worthwhile in the first place is an odd way to tell a story.
I mean, you could even say that cutting everything out turns that point into a space of nothing, since without the details - like character developement and motivation, overal themes and character arcs - you're not really saying anything with your story, which means you can't really make a point, because you never said anything in the first place.
i actually like ep3 and think is acording to the story so far, clem wanted revenge on that fucking lilly and rescue her friends so why is so hard for you guys to accept its a good reléase? also have in mind that skybound dont have all the years in experience that telltale have, so mind to give them a break too
What the heck, Graffio?