Carly is underrated. Lee,Kat,Clem,Duck,Kenny all owed their lives to Carly. She led the charge in their rescue. She was the only one with the courage and the compassion to leave her group's place of safety and risk giving away their position to save Lee and his companions much like Glenn in the TV show. Why is Carly loved and favoured, the same reason Glenn in the tv show is, for her heroism. Then she sticks up for you, falling out with Lilly and Larry. It's only Carly and Glenn that stand up for Lee's group when Larry is convincing his group that you should be tossed out. Then Carly either saves Clementine from the walker in the toilet or saves Lee if Lee saves Clementine. Two rescues from Carly in quick successions. Then she establishes a bond with Lee by trusting him in spite of his past setting her self up as an ally as a direct contrast to Larry your antagonist who chooses to use his knowledge of your secret as a weapon against you.
Carly is influential in your attack on the motor inn zombies and shoots many walkers when the pharmacy is over run. It's hard not to save her after all of this and it is hard not to value her as a group member. she is the most consistent of the characters going into season 2. Where Kenny has changed in his behavior and Lily is defensive, expecting you to side against her Carly is supportive and understanding. The encouragement that she gives to Lee during their one to ones are quite similar to those given in relationships and marriages. She always says the right thing like when she advises you about shielding your past in episode 2 and how it doesn't make you a bad man, she encourages you to take charge more reminding you that people look up to you and there is the intimate moments in episode 3 when she is encouraging you to trust other group members as if she knows she won't be around much longer. Generally after Clementine Carly shows Lee more care than the other survivors. She will tell Lee to stay safe and even cuddle him. As a character I think telltale went through much effort to make her convincing and detailed, she is probably one of the most in depth characters. As fan favourites go she is probably the closest in Lee's group to Andrea from Rick's group. Andrea is not a fan favourite in the walking dead because she is pretty it's because she's badass!
very well put, and then we have doug who tells you a fact about chalk i was surprised Lee didn't know, puts bells on a wall and programmes a remote control, i wish they had done more with him
I always think that these kinds of apocalyptic scenarios say a lot about humanity that I dont particularly like. Nevertheless, its reality. In a real world-changing disaster, how many people would really carry the attitude of "So what if she's a kid, if she cant keep up, screw her!" as opposed to people who's instincts would want them to try to protect someone smaller and weaker?
Doesn't really sound like a valid point to me, actually. I was saved by... almost every person in the group, even by Lily. Didn't made me attached to them, either.
I think in ZA, people will be saving you now and then, and I really do not get why you judge people's deeds from our nowadays moral views.
As another poster said, she not only alerted you to a preemptive attack by a zombified Sandra but also gave you the means of killing her. I ask you, if she's so "unimportant", then why is she the one who has to save a person like you? I'd laugh if she got some sort of 4th Wall sense and said that she'll let you to protect yourself from the zombie since you don't give a damn about her.
Ugh... No.
It's ZA.
The whole game for me was how moral no longer matter that much. Only who survives matter. Actually, the last choice in ep.2 (no spoilers) was the toughest choice for me.
And I was... well, amazed about how I make choices whom I want to survive. Turned out to be quite cruel.
But I myself do not have a strong bond with Clem. She saved me, as did (indirectly) Shawn, as did Kenny, as did Carley, as did Lily. But as of now, I would gladly kill Lily, and Kenny became quite a nuisance despite I thought we might be friends.
Playing the game with no morals and yet whether to steal or not from a seemingly-abandoned car full of supplies is so morally tugging? So you're saying you don't have ANY morals with Clem purely because she's a child? I don't get you at all, man.
Right. When the ZA starts and you're scrabbling for shelter from the oncoming gaggle of zombies, I'll be the chick that trips you and leaves your soulless butt as bait.
Jesus. She's a kid. K-I-D.
I don't care how about her. Is she good or very bad?? I'll protect her anyway. I know it''s just a game but please don't lose your human nature, guys.
Apparently, it seems Maugly is the only inhuman one here, not caring if what he does or says hurts a young girl who has her eye on her benefactor in order to learn.
I see the validity of the point the OP is getting across, but looking at this forum I see some behaviour that stands out much more. And it makes me ask the question:
Why do people give so much of a damn about Carley? After EP 1 she played a much more minor role, disappearing for the centre portion of Ep 2. Hardly enough communication to rationally get so attached.
Perhaps because she was the best looking, perhaps because some tail seemed promising. I don't know what it was that made people think she was so much more special and valuable than the rest of the members. And to make it funnier, when I read people moaning wishes for her to come back/survive the shot, it always sounds more like they're talking about a dead pet.
Well, for that last part, you can't blame them. Hell, even I wish she'd survive the shot but I understand and accept she's gone for good. I'll move on in her memory. And to me, she's valuable and special in that even in the face of adversity, she holds true to her own morals and never tries to get Lee to do what she wants, she always talks to him and let him decide things.
It's amazing how you say 'kid' as if it gives her some special bonuses (be it practical, moral or something). I guess my main misunderstanding is this.
And well... what is the human nature after all? Every animal cares about their cubs. Doesn't make them any more human.
Ironic you'd say that considering, by your logic and what you've posted thus far here, you'd leave Clem in the dust the first chance you'd get. All I can say about that is: you are not that cub-caring animal. And the status of being a kid DOES give her special bonuses. She isn't as educated, so she has to learn, just like Duck does. Could you honestly say Carl Grimes is not worth your time because he's a kid as well? Last I checked, he could just as easily kill as anyone else from the group purely because he was taught to.
Most women only care about themselves even before a zombie apocalypse hits.
whose baseness I don't mind highlighting again. It's equally as ugly as the premise of the thread by the original poster, designated zombie bait. All good.
No, the misogynistic comment was directed specifically at:
whose baseness I don't mind highlighting again. It's equally as ugly as the premise of the thread by the original poster, designated zombie bait. All good.
Yeah, had a bit of a brain fart when I replied. I guess from having just woken up. And yeah, that is pretty misogynistic of him. Not all of us are like that.
Think of it this way... If you were going to take care of a child in the zombie apocalypse, would you not feel responsible for her?
To a degree, yes.. As a father of two girl's I do have that protective instinct.
However, Clem is not Lee's child and eventhough would still feel a bit responsible for her, my Lee may risk his life to save her, but would not sacrifice his life to save her as I would for my own daughters!
To a degree, yes.. As a father of two girl's I do have that protective instinct.
However, Clem is not Lee's child and eventhough would still feel a bit responsible for her, my Lee may risk his life to save her, but would not sacrifice his life to save her as I would for my own daughters!
Most of the time people do not knowingly sacrifice themselves to save somebody, they are just helping and it happens.
Well we're going to be forced to find her parents either way so it doesnt really matter if I like her or not :P I'll keep saving her, but if she falls behind she gets left behind, no time for the weak..
She's adorable, she saved us, she's seen so much that an 8 year old should not see and she still retains her hope and innocence, and she fully trusts us and relies on us to protect her. She doesn't even care that Lee murdered someone.
I'd argue that if you aren't attached to Clem as a character it's because you're either playing The Walking Dead as a video game (I'm going to win the apocalypse!),
Yea, I'm kind of an endgame player. I'm not crazy about being saddled with a kid in the ZA. Not at all. Would love the option to play without her.
How about you wouldn't have survived the first 20 minutes of the game if she hadn't saved your ass from the babysitter?
Hmm, she handed Lee a hammer. Yes she proved to be useful once. However, just being pragmatic (waiting for Cyreen to call me a cold bitch), a child would have much more need for an adult in the event of a ZA. Even in TWD world, how long could you reasonably expect for Clem to continue to live in that treehouse without an adult to help her?
I guess not everyone has that protective, maternal/paternal instinct. Its takes all kinds to make this planet turn. I felt instantly protective of Clementine and I cant imagine the game without her. Without her, Lee would be just some guy, a typical protagonist in a typical story. With her, he shows so much more of the great person he can be. Clementine makes me love my Lee more.
Hmm, she handed Lee a hammer. Yes she proved to be useful once. However, just being pragmatic (waiting for Cyreen to call me a cold bitch), a child would have much more need for an adult in the event of a ZA. Even in TWD world, how long could you reasonably expect for Clem to continue to live in that treehouse without an adult to help her?
Listen, Lady, I don't have kids and I'm not all that maternal; you want to be pragmatic, fine. Clem is a completely loyal set of eyes and ears, with the ability to learn necessary skills as she goes. As she said herself in episode 3, it's a good thing she's so small. She has the potential to be just as useful as any other member of that group, while infinitely more reliable than some, with a unique skill set given her size.
Listen, Lady, I don't have kids and I'm not all that maternal; you want to be pragmatic, fine. Clem is a completely loyal set of eyes and ears, with the ability to learn necessary skills as she goes. As she said herself in episode 3, it's a good thing she's so small. She has the potential to be just as useful as any other member of that group, while infinitely more reliable than some, with a unique skill set given her size.
I am not the one who said you were maternal that was someone else's supposition.
You think because she is so young that automatically makes her completely loyal and trustworthy? No comment until we find out to whom and why she is talking on the walkie.
I agree that she has the potential to adapt and learn skills just as the others do. All I am saying is that she is not singularly valuable just because she is young. I still say she is more of a liability.
Why is it not ok for me to disagree with the popular opinion?
Clem isn't a liability. The game is tailored to making her not be a useless escort quest. The funny thing is that The Walking Dead has designated "useful" people. In the comic, it's Glenn. In the game, it's Clem. They are constantly doing stuff no one else can.
"Glenn, can you go into this horrible situation and get what we need?" "No problem."
"Clem, can you fit into this tiny space and look cute?" "...I don't know..."
Clem isn't a liability. The game is tailored to making her not be a useless escort quest. The funny thing is that The Walking Dead has designated "useful" people. In the comic, it's Glenn. In the game, it's Clem. They are constantly doing stuff no one else can.
"Glenn, can you go into this horrible situation and get what we need?" "No problem."
"Clem, can you fit into this tiny space and look cute?" "...I don't know..."
I feel people are forgetting Lee's aspect in things here. We have just talked about Clementine, Clementine, Clementine, but really, -what- is it that matters to us? The relationship that Clementine has with Lee, and thereby indirectly us. Lee has no family; literally, he knows his family is completely wiped out. Clementine suspects that her parents are dead and even says that she knows it's just pretend, but it makes her feel better to at least check.
And Clementine does not once voice disattisfaction with Lee being treated as her father. Lee and Clementine share this moment in the pharmacy, where Lee tells Clementine that, if she needs anything, he will try what he can to help her. And Clementine agrees to do the same for him. This was a very real moment that explains the relationship best between Lee and Clementine. They became a family. Lee knows that it won't exactly be a zero-sum situation with Clementine carrying her own weight, but he accepts that.
Let me give another example. Had Beatrice been Clementine(Beatrice being the screaming woman in episode 3), the decision you made wouldn't have been any different. Beatrice was a human being and she might have had very useful survival skills, but she was dead weight that the group couldn't bother with. Clementine has had 4 months to prove herself to the group and that creates a bond. She has saved Lee on two occasions and aided him meaningful at other times.
Clementine might not pull her own weight, but that's not her role; she plays her role perfectly and better than anyone else her age might. Duck was complete and utter dead weight and he literally slowed the group down. His inability and lack of skill cost the life of someone very constructive, in fact. Clementine hasn't slowed the group down -once-.
I am not the one who said you were maternal that was someone else's supposition.
You think because she is so young that automatically makes her completely loyal and trustworthy? No comment until we find out to whom and why she is talking on the walkie.
I agree that she has the potential to adapt and learn skills just as the others do. All I am saying is that she is not singularly valuable just because she is young. I still say she is more of a liability.
Why is it not ok for me to disagree with the popular opinion?
I agree that she's a liability, but she's one I'm willing to keep around. I find myself happy simply because she is happy, like when I found her hat. She was so ecstatic, and even though it's just a game I smiled like it had actually happened. She's a bright spot, and a very necessary one at that, considering the twist of events that have made the story extremely bleak.
- She saved you from Sandra by giving you the hammer
- She was able to survive on her own for two or three days by hiding in a treehouse
- She has funny moments
- She is very smart and observant for an eight year old
- She's an eight year old. That brings a likability factor
- She is quite useful. There have been several moments she has helped in ways no one else could have
- She is a moral compass for Lee. We see how our choices affect her while she also provides a reason to second guess actions you might make based on her presence
- She is probably the only thing Lee has to hold on to, now that he lost his family and several friends
- She cares about Lee's safety overall
- She saved you from Sandra by giving you the hammer
- She was able to survive on her own for two or three days by hiding in a treehouse
- She has funny moments
- She is very smart and observant for an eight year old
- She's an eight year old. That brings a likability factor
- She is quite useful. There have been several moments she has helped in ways no one else could have
- She is a moral compass for Lee. We see how our choices affect her while she also provides a reason to second guess actions you might make based on her presence
- She is probably the only thing Lee has to hold on to, now that he lost his family and several friends
- She cares about Lee's safety overall
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I mean, she's just another child. Yeah, I do care about her because she seems to trust me, but, I mean, she's nothing specia… morel. She does not even play major role in my moral decisions.
Is that just your maternal instinct I am lacking?
She's not just another child; she's been the moral compass of the whole story. I could even say that, in that [literally] decaying world, she's the only irrefutable evidence that true goodness is still present.
Besides, she's really sweet, and she's so "d'awwww" all the time. I hope her parents aren't dead, because they've done a helluva job.
Well she is just a video game character. I'm not THAT attached to her but after having her around for a while I am pretty content of her sticking around. And come in, she's clementine.
It isn't just Clementine, it's more of the relationship she has with Lee. It's also seeing her grow and develop throughout the episodes, although it's more evident in season two than in season one.
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very well put, and then we have doug who tells you a fact about chalk i was surprised Lee didn't know, puts bells on a wall and programmes a remote control, i wish they had done more with him
...Even after CLICKING on the puddle of blood. As someone on this forum said before, Lee really is gravity's bitch in the first episode.
As another poster said, she not only alerted you to a preemptive attack by a zombified Sandra but also gave you the means of killing her. I ask you, if she's so "unimportant", then why is she the one who has to save a person like you? I'd laugh if she got some sort of 4th Wall sense and said that she'll let you to protect yourself from the zombie since you don't give a damn about her.
Playing the game with no morals and yet whether to steal or not from a seemingly-abandoned car full of supplies is so morally tugging? So you're saying you don't have ANY morals with Clem purely because she's a child? I don't get you at all, man.
Wonder how that'd play out?
Apparently, it seems Maugly is the only inhuman one here, not caring if what he does or says hurts a young girl who has her eye on her benefactor in order to learn.
Well, for that last part, you can't blame them. Hell, even I wish she'd survive the shot but I understand and accept she's gone for good. I'll move on in her memory. And to me, she's valuable and special in that even in the face of adversity, she holds true to her own morals and never tries to get Lee to do what she wants, she always talks to him and let him decide things.
I think it's more judgmental towards Clem being a child rather than female. Still, though...
Ironic you'd say that considering, by your logic and what you've posted thus far here, you'd leave Clem in the dust the first chance you'd get. All I can say about that is: you are not that cub-caring animal. And the status of being a kid DOES give her special bonuses. She isn't as educated, so she has to learn, just like Duck does. Could you honestly say Carl Grimes is not worth your time because he's a kid as well? Last I checked, he could just as easily kill as anyone else from the group purely because he was taught to.
No, the misogynistic comment was directed specifically at:
whose baseness I don't mind highlighting again. It's equally as ugly as the premise of the thread by the original poster, designated zombie bait. All good.
Yeah, had a bit of a brain fart when I replied. I guess from having just woken up. And yeah, that is pretty misogynistic of him.
To a degree, yes.. As a father of two girl's I do have that protective instinct.
However, Clem is not Lee's child and eventhough would still feel a bit responsible for her, my Lee may risk his life to save her, but would not sacrifice his life to save her as I would for my own daughters!
Most of the time people do not knowingly sacrifice themselves to save somebody, they are just helping and it happens.
I would agree with that statement.
but, if I knew for certain, I had to sacrifice myself in order to save my daughters, I would.
Put in the same situation for someone elses kid, I would not!
I'll do my best for Clem, but if the game ever forces me to decide to save Lee or Clem, sorry Clem, may the walkers choke on ya bones!
Seriously, how can one NOT love Clementine?
Ummm not true at all... Sea Turtles for example never even see there children... just plop em on the beach and swim away.
Also I saw my Guinea pig EAT its own young.. I SEEN'T IT!!
Yea, I'm kind of an endgame player. I'm not crazy about being saddled with a kid in the ZA. Not at all. Would love the option to play without her.
I wouldn't care for a child now much less during the ZA.
Hmm, she handed Lee a hammer. Yes she proved to be useful once. However, just being pragmatic (waiting for Cyreen to call me a cold bitch), a child would have much more need for an adult in the event of a ZA. Even in TWD world, how long could you reasonably expect for Clem to continue to live in that treehouse without an adult to help her?
Listen, Lady, I don't have kids and I'm not all that maternal; you want to be pragmatic, fine. Clem is a completely loyal set of eyes and ears, with the ability to learn necessary skills as she goes. As she said herself in episode 3, it's a good thing she's so small. She has the potential to be just as useful as any other member of that group, while infinitely more reliable than some, with a unique skill set given her size.
I am not the one who said you were maternal that was someone else's supposition.
You think because she is so young that automatically makes her completely loyal and trustworthy? No comment until we find out to whom and why she is talking on the walkie.
I agree that she has the potential to adapt and learn skills just as the others do. All I am saying is that she is not singularly valuable just because she is young. I still say she is more of a liability.
Why is it not ok for me to disagree with the popular opinion?
"Glenn, can you go into this horrible situation and get what we need?" "No problem."
"Clem, can you fit into this tiny space and look cute?" "...I don't know..."
LOL I can appreciate that viewpoint
Who said you couldn't? And considering you fall in line with the original poster, how is it unpopular? You specifically quoted me, I replied.
And Clementine does not once voice disattisfaction with Lee being treated as her father. Lee and Clementine share this moment in the pharmacy, where Lee tells Clementine that, if she needs anything, he will try what he can to help her. And Clementine agrees to do the same for him. This was a very real moment that explains the relationship best between Lee and Clementine. They became a family. Lee knows that it won't exactly be a zero-sum situation with Clementine carrying her own weight, but he accepts that.
Let me give another example. Had Beatrice been Clementine(Beatrice being the screaming woman in episode 3), the decision you made wouldn't have been any different. Beatrice was a human being and she might have had very useful survival skills, but she was dead weight that the group couldn't bother with. Clementine has had 4 months to prove herself to the group and that creates a bond. She has saved Lee on two occasions and aided him meaningful at other times.
Clementine might not pull her own weight, but that's not her role; she plays her role perfectly and better than anyone else her age might. Duck was complete and utter dead weight and he literally slowed the group down. His inability and lack of skill cost the life of someone very constructive, in fact. Clementine hasn't slowed the group down -once-.
I agree that she's a liability, but she's one I'm willing to keep around. I find myself happy simply because she is happy, like when I found her hat. She was so ecstatic, and even though it's just a game I smiled like it had actually happened. She's a bright spot, and a very necessary one at that, considering the twist of events that have made the story extremely bleak.
lame
Is that kitten sleepy or dying?
- She saved you from Sandra by giving you the hammer
- She was able to survive on her own for two or three days by hiding in a treehouse
- She has funny moments
- She is very smart and observant for an eight year old
- She's an eight year old. That brings a likability factor
- She is quite useful. There have been several moments she has helped in ways no one else could have
- She is a moral compass for Lee. We see how our choices affect her while she also provides a reason to second guess actions you might make based on her presence
- She is probably the only thing Lee has to hold on to, now that he lost his family and several friends
- She cares about Lee's safety overall
I think that is good enough for me to like her
Well said, sir.
Aw, that's so lame :')
I think its simple, she's likeable!
Well she is just a video game character. I'm not THAT attached to her but after having her around for a while I am pretty content of her sticking around. And come in, she's clementine.
Why the hell are you guys necroposting here?
Who reposted this?
really? seriously?
It isn't just Clementine, it's more of the relationship she has with Lee. It's also seeing her grow and develop throughout the episodes, although it's more evident in season two than in season one.
I read the title of this thread and facepalmed. Hope that answers your question. :P