I hear you. I just don't want to turn into one of those "choice doesn't matter" players is all. From my perspective, Kenny has had a really good story and a pretty good run. Now, with Lee and Clem "choosing to part ways with Kenny" and with Lee "choosing to tell Kenny our plans don't include him" that now would be a good time to close out chapter Kenny of the story.
I don't need that satisfaction of being right about Kenny. If he just went away I'd call it even, live with the choices I made in e3 and look forward to more great story telling in e4 and e5.
It just makes no sense to me if everyone has to go with Kenny to look for a boat and to add insult to injury Lee has to reassure Christa that this is a good idea and the boats are just around the corner. I can understand how that may be okay in your game but in mine the story would hit a new low.
I can see it like that, if you choose to tell Clem you should go your own way. I told her we would find a boat, and stay with Kenny. I thought splitting up wouldn't be a good idea, especially after hearing the guy on the radio. In my playthrough it makes perfect sense for Kenny to be with us, but it seems kind of like condensing the story a bit if you want to leave but you're forced to stay with the current group. I'm sure that there is a reasonable in game explanation for not being able to leave Kenny and the rest, like when he mentions that the walkers are everywhere and the guy on the radio is messing with them. Agreed that Kenny has had a good run (not from his perspective I bet) and that, by this time players who want to part with him should have that choice. I hope it really doesn't ruin it for you, being forced to stay with Kenny for a great majority of the episode. I'd probably feel the same way if he and Lilly had been switched around.
I do hope that Telltale reads those forums. I mean sometimes when you create a character as complex as Lilly and Kenny you might miss a possible perspective for the character. My Lee not having the choice to say or do the things that would be the most natural choices for him to do, would definitely be somewhat of a letdown. However, as long as they focus on their great storytelling I think I would be able to forgive them that.
I do hope that Telltale reads those forums. I mean sometimes when you create a character as complex as Lilly and Kenny you might miss a possible perspective for the character. My Lee not having the choice to say or do the things that would be the most natural choices for him to do, would definitely be somewhat of a letdown. However, as long as they focus on their great storytelling I think I would be able to forgive them that.
Oh, they read the forums all right. I remember reading an interview a little while back where Jake Rodkin said he encountered two-three paragraph posts about Larry not deserving what he got (in the aftermath of Episode 2). I wouldn't be surprised if they dropped in to thebigger threads like this one from time to time, just to see what people think of their brilliantly written characters.
So guys, what are you gonna do with Kenny? Those of us who really cannot stand him, should we let him die or risk our/somebody else's life in order to try and save his ungrateful skin?
I think I'm just gonna stand and watch... just the way he did in my ep 2 and 3. When the comes I will probably have a change of heart and I'll try to save him. For now however, I would love to think that I will give him what he deserves. However, I am absolutely positive that if I have to risk somebody's life in order to save his, I won't do it. He hasn't earned it.
If it's just Kenny in danger then I'll save the vindictive asshole but I'm waiting until the timer is almost gone,let HIM have a taste of his own medicine for a change
I hope that will teach him that you don't have to be best buds to save a fellow group member,a grovelling apology would also be nice.
If it turns out to be a Carley/Doug situation...
So long Kenny boy, I hope it doesn't hurt too much
I would rather Kenny left the group alive than dead and he can take that gangly piece of shit Ben with him too.
I"m really glad they did that in the end of ep. 4. You know, when you're about to die and you really need their help... people show their true colours. I've saved Kenny plenty of times and he was still ready to leave me just because I didn't agree with him every fucking time. Good that I finally got the option to tell him what I think of him.
Even Ben decided to help me, even though I voted against him for the boat. I guess he might be stupid, but he doesn't hold grudges, like some other people.
So much for feeding his kid and stuff. That reminds me, I still have two energy bars from episode one somewhere. Where are those at Telltale? Stuck in my ass with the axe maybe?
I'm really starting to like the silent option for Lee in the game. Kenny and Ben have been dead to me since e3 and every time a dialogue option came up for them I'd select "...". Made the game a lot more tolerable to play. In e4 when Lee and Kenny are at the docks looking for a boat, don't ask me why what a dumb idea, I just selected ... everytime. It's actually kind of funny in a way.
I've really enjoyed the last part of e4 with no Kenny or Ben in the group. Oh well, all good things must come to an end, I think with the herd arriving in town that everyone, except for Ben that is (a walker got him), will be back in the group even if you did not take them with you.
I think that anyone who stays behind at the house has a greater chance of survival than anyone going on this suicide mission to save Clem. Makes me somewhat wish I'd hidden my bite so Christa and Omid would stay, while Kenny and I go to find Clem and get killed without putting two of the only nice people left in the world at risk.
I'd have to say, as much as I hate Ben for being such a pussy I think I actually hate Kenny more. From the moment you meet Kenny he's a selfish bastard. He only looks out for himself and his family. He doesn't really even care about you. At the farm he saves Duck and runs off not even bothering to save Shawn Greene.
I'm not going to bend myself backwards through the whole game and pledge loyalty to this asshole just so he would be willing to save someone else's skin i.e. Clementine at the end of Episode 4. He's hardly ever had your back through the whole game.
Kenny Episode 1
Saves Duck, leaves you to save Shawn Greene
Wants you to go with him because you can knock some heads (pretty much can't defend himself)
Let's you do all the work at the Pharmacy while he kicks back with his family
Barely picks you up because Larry knocks your lights out while trying to escape the Pharmacy
Kenny Episode 2
You try to save Katjaa (his wife) but you get attacked by Ben's dead friend/teacher instead, Kenny doesn't save you and doesn't even thank you for attempting to save one of his family member
At St. John's Dairy you and Mark get attacked by bandits but hey where's Kenny to save the day? Nowhere to be found
He murders Larry in cold blood even after Larry shows some sign of life after like the 4th chest compression
After escaping the freezer you come out to Danny and Andy, you hide in one of the stalls, Danny's got a gun right to your face but hey Kenny's right beside you and doesn't help instead runs to make sure his family is safe instead and leaves you behind to deal with Danny
You fight Andy and are about to get electrocuted on the fence, oops! where's Kenny? Oh yeah he was smart to charge at full speed against Andy with a loaded gun and got shot on his side, not the wisest choices Kenny made
Kenny Episode 3
Drops you on your head when trying to climb the ladder back into the Pharmacy and lies that he's okay
Threatens to leave you and ride his RV with his family leaving everyone behind if you don't pick a side
You get attacked by the helicopter pilot while Kenny just watches you fend for yourself
Wants you to choose a side back when he and Lily where fighting over who's in charge, but when you need help saving Carley yeah...he doesn't want to get involved and Carley gets killed
Wants you to figure out how to start the train while he chills as the train conductor at the front
Doesn't want to stop the train so you have to beat some sense into him
You tell him to shoot his own son because he doesn't have the balls to do it
You and Clementine get attacked by walkers at the train station, gee where's Kenny? I'm sure it doesn't take that long to teach Omid how to run the train
Kenny Episode 4
Kenny gets caught by the ankle from a zombie, you shoot the zombie and free him
Kenny can't kill the starving kid who died and turned into a zombie in the attic, once again you have to tell him to shoot otherwise he'd let that thing kill himself
At the docks you and Kenny are suppose to ambush ninja Molly but you and Kenny get your asses kicked and Clementine pretty much saves you both
The docks are flooded with zombies, Molly runs away and manages to pull up Kenny and Clementine, again Kenny lends you a hand but drops you on the ground like at the Pharmacy and Molly's Hilda saves you
Kenny decides to get drunk instead of helping you find Clementine
You help Kenny and Brie secure the door to the playground and he goes back into the classroom leaving you to fight off walkers that trapped Christa and Vernon in the infirmary
Kenny that idiot sends Ben out to find something to break the armory door when he knows damn well that Ben is a total f*** up so you and Molly get attacked by zombies
Your leg gets caught in the hole on the stairs, where's Kenny to save you? Oh yeah he ran up the stairs to save himself...and he left you this shotgun that has unlimited ammo
You have to fight your way up the staircase full of zombies, Kenny where are you to help? Christa helps you popping a few zombie headshots
Clementine disappears and Omid/Christa come to help but Kenny will only do so if you were pretty much a 100% loyal dog and servant to him or you beg him that Clem is your only family
TLDR; Buck Fenny!
P.S. My last save Omid/Christa/Ben are with me to go to Episode 5 I don't care if Kenny drowns or dies in his boat or he leaves us behind, he let me down so many times and I'm looking forward to getting rid of Kenny. At the end of the day I keep asking myself "Would this be the kind of guy I would like to have as a partner if a zombie apocalypse happened?" And to that I say hell mutha**************************** NO!
P.S. My last save Omid/Christa/Ben are with me to go to Episode 5 I don't care if Kenny drowns or dies in his boat or he leaves us behind, he let me down so many times and I'm looking forward to getting rid of Kenny. At the end of the day I keep asking myself "Would this be the kind of guy I would like to have as a partner if a zombie apocalypse happened?" And to that I say hell mutha**************************** NO!
I like Kenny: all he's ever tried to do, is right by his family.
Larry was an asshole, who left you for dead only for Kenny to pull you out of the drugstore. Lily turned out be a complete pyscho too.
I felt genuinely sorry for Kenny dealing with his loss. Even though he may seem a bit unstable who has he hurt? Well, Larry, but as I said: Larry was an asshole.
I like Kenny: all he's ever tried to do, is right by his family.
Larry was an asshole, who left you for dead only for Kenny to pull you out of the drugstore. Lily turned out be a complete pyscho too.
I felt genuinely sorry for Kenny dealing with his loss. Even though he may seem a bit unstable who has he hurt? Well, Larry, but as I said: Larry was an asshole.
I completely think the opposite:)
Kenny treated like a coward for most of the time, and he was much selfish for many times and "I think" these were all about his desire to be a leader than his addiction to his family.
Remember how Katjaa thinks about his behaviours. I don't know your scenario, but in my scenario she was completely with me than she was with her own husband.
And about Larry... Even he left me behind for a couple of times, or even it looks like he was looking for a chance to stab me in the back; I really really couldn't get angry with him. Cause he never mentioned that he is my friend. At least he was honest with me.
After I gave him the chocolate bar (in the beginning of the second episode I think), his first words were "Don't you ever think this will change something..."
This was a great answer to me, and it meant to me that he secretly admires what I just did. Cause he didn't remain silent.
He was only not succesfull of warming people except her daughter. And all he cares was his daughter, he already mentioned that a billion times.
Anyway, think about yourself; what would you think about a man who was committed with a crime in some way or another, popping up with a little orphan girl? I don't think I could easily trust him.
And plus, think about how obsessive Larry was.
Lilly... ahhh... Even though she killed my beloved Carley, I still can't be angry with her too. So far to that point, she was with me at all time. She always confirmed what I did and she never gave up believing in me. The thing is she was so unstable after she lost her father. Larry means to her like her whole life, too. And I respect truthfully those two for this connection or theirs.
I didn't suprised when Lilly shot Carley after Carley's hard words. Lee was her second father prototype after her father gone -I think-, and she got depressed more and more when she couldn't express herself to Lee. And Carley really pushed her buttons, too. (I'm sure there was also an invisible contention about Lee between those two:) )
But, about Kenny...Nah, I really can't see any reason for him to be a real asshole until his losses, but only his desire for leading people. This ego of him was a dangerous one which causes his face to translate when Lee tried to cheer him up on the train.
I'm playing this game, trying to imagine why every character treat as they do.
So, after some discussion in me; I totally sympathize with Larry and Lilly much more (even I don't agree with their behaviours) than that asshole Kenny. I'm saying that, I'm not with them but I understand them. They had reasons one way or another.
Kenny's family was there, there were many people to be trusted around him, and the best part- I myself was there to do the dirty work; and he was still hungry for more and more...
Sorry, but no one can make me understand the ambition of that false & loser Kenny, when he insisted on plundering the lone car. How can he finds himself he has right to make a word, to make decisions after I did all the hard job with psycho brothers ! :S
Family issues, or what ? ! ?
I think Kenny was a good person in Episode 1. Yeah he panics when it comes to Shawn, but if Lee goes for Shawn instead of Duck Kenny doesn't really get mad right then and even owns up to his mistake to Lee. He'll also come back and save your life no matter what he thinks of you after Larry punches you. I even give him credit for saving the entire group after the alarm goes off, where Lilly just focuses on Larry.
I've always considered it a gradual decline in his humanity over the 3 months the group's been surviving that lead to his current attitude. I don't really think he's a power hungry megalomaniac, at least anymore than Lilly was, but think that he TRULY thought that he knew what was best for the group. He was a total bastard to her after he killed her dad (and I felt like crap because I helped) and he's also pretty stupid at certain points (telling about the girl in the street, or saying he was proud of you for dropping Ben). He's a stupid redneck though, and lets his emotions get the best of him at times.
I pretty much forgave him after I talked him down on the train because I finally understood why he was acting like such a douche lately (he didn't leave me to die in the barn or under the door, but I got fed up with his crap during the supply run. I also shot the girl). When he said he kept blaming himself for Shawn and said that he knew that sooner or later it would catch up to him, that cast his actions in a different light to me. He was just scared of losing his only family in the world and thought that because he made one mistake on Hershal's farm that his wife and son would pay for it. Knowing that he's blaming himself for every bad thing that happens to his family made me understand why they seemed like the only thing he cared about. And when I was able to make him see that he was wrong without having to fight him, I forgave him when he went to deal with his son and stop the train. The same reason I forgave Ben at Crawford. He was willing to face his mistakes and take responsibility for his actions. He volunteered to find Clem without a second thought, so I'll be glad to have him watching my back in Episode 5.
Seeing this thread survive for so long just warms my heart
Rock114, that sounds like a pretty great story but unfortunately it can never happen in my playthrough.
Seeing people defend Kenny because he was good to them in their playthrough says more about them than it does him. As I've said before, Good Kenny is not separate from Bad Kenny, this isn't the multiverse, this is one guy whose behaviour is dependent on whether you back him 100%.
A good guy is always a good guy, mistakes might be made but ultimately they attempt to do the right thing, regardless of the situation.
That is not Kenny
Kenny doesn't give a fuck about doing the right thing or being a good guy. Kenny is a trader, he's out for what he can get and if he doesn't feel you've given him enough, doing the "right thing" is completely irrelevant.
The guy has stuck with your group like a parasite because it was good for him. I actually tested that theory at the start of Ep 3 and suggested that if he wanted to take off in the RV then he should take his family and go. He didn't want to, admitting that he was screwed without everyone else.
Trust me that whether you think he's good or bad, when push comes to shove, Kenny will take care of himself and leave you to die.
Seeing people defend Kenny because he was good to them in their playthrough says more about them than it does him. As I've said before, Good Kenny is not separate from Bad Kenny, this isn't the multiverse, this is one guy whose behaviour is dependent on whether you back him 100%.
A good guy is always a good guy, mistakes might be made but ultimately they attempt to do the right thing, regardless of the situation.
That is not Kenny
Kenny doesn't give a fuck about doing the right thing or being a good guy. Kenny is a trader, he's out for what he can get and if he doesn't feel you've given him enough, doing the "right thing" is completely irrelevant.
The guy has stuck with your group like a parasite because it was good for him. I actually tested that theory at the start of Ep 3 and suggested that if he wanted to take off in the RV then he should take his family and go. He didn't want to, admitting that he was screwed without everyone else.
Trust me that whether you think he's good or bad, when push comes to shove, Kenny will take care of himself and leave you to die.
I have no real opinion of Carley. As for Lilly, I liked her, I agreed with the way she ran things and I won't condemn her for that mistake after what Kenny did to her. Had she not driven off I would have taken Clem and gone with her.
Seeing people defend Kenny because he was good to them in their playthrough says more about them than it does him. As I've said before, Good Kenny is not separate from Bad Kenny, this isn't the multiverse, this is one guy whose behaviour is dependent on whether you back him 100%.
A good guy is always a good guy, mistakes might be made but ultimately they attempt to do the right thing, regardless of the situation.
That is not Kenny
Kenny doesn't give a fuck about doing the right thing or being a good guy. Kenny is a trader, he's out for what he can get and if he doesn't feel you've given him enough, doing the "right thing" is completely irrelevant.
The guy has stuck with your group like a parasite because it was good for him. I actually tested that theory at the start of Ep 3 and suggested that if he wanted to take off in the RV then he should take his family and go. He didn't want to, admitting that he was screwed without everyone else.
Trust me that whether you think he's good or bad, when push comes to shove, Kenny will take care of himself and leave you to die.
I completely agree.
As I said before he is always hungry for more and more...
Whatever he did; even if I didn't choose him when it came to decisions, I always tried to be polite to him. I don't know, I really don't like that guy but something held me back to treat him as he deserves. He is the last character who came all this way with me (ironically) except Clem, maybe that was the reason.
And I felt pretty surprised when he decided to come with me? But then, I thought his decision was something with my good attitude on him during whole game.
In the other hand, does any of you guys know why did this selfish jerk went with Lee at the end of the last episode?
I have no real opinion of Carley. As for Lilly, I liked her, I agreed with the way she ran things and I won't condemn her for that mistake after what Kenny did to her. Had she not driven off I would have taken Clem and gone with her.
I know, right! You're one of the very few people who share my opinion of Lilly and Kenny
Seeing people defend Kenny because he was good to them in their playthrough says more about them than it does him. As I've said before, Good Kenny is not separate from Bad Kenny, this isn't the multiverse, this is one guy whose behaviour is dependent on whether you back him 100%.
A good guy is always a good guy, mistakes might be made but ultimately they attempt to do the right thing, regardless of the situation.
That is not Kenny
Kenny doesn't give a fuck about doing the right thing or being a good guy. Kenny is a trader, he's out for what he can get and if he doesn't feel you've given him enough, doing the "right thing" is completely irrelevant.
The guy has stuck with your group like a parasite because it was good for him. I actually tested that theory at the start of Ep 3 and suggested that if he wanted to take off in the RV then he should take his family and go. He didn't want to, admitting that he was screwed without everyone else.
Trust me that whether you think he's good or bad, when push comes to shove, Kenny will take care of himself and leave you to die.
This is exactly right. That's why I told Kenny to go fuck himself and he will not be with me in e5.
I completely agree.
As I said before he is always hungry for more and more...
Whatever he did; even if I didn't choose him when it came to decisions, I always tried to be polite to him. I don't know, I really don't like that guy
but something held me back to treat him as he deserves. He is the last character who came all this way with me (ironically) except Clem, maybe that was the reason.
And I felt pretty suprised when he decided to come with me? But then, I thought his decision was something with my good attitude on him during whole game.
In the other hand, does any of you guys know why did this selfish jerk went with Lee at the end of the last episode?
I don't know, he didn't come with me in my playthrough. I didn't really give him the chance, either.
Since the end of ep.2 I had already made up my mind to ditch Kenny the second I'm presented with an opportunity.
I completely agree.
As I said before he is always hungry for more and more...
Whatever he did; even if I didn't choose him when it came to decisions, I always tried to be polite to him. I don't know, I really don't like that guy
but something held me back to treat him as he deserves. He is the last character who came all this way with me (ironically) except Clem, maybe that was the reason.
And I felt pretty suprised when he decided to come with me? But then, I thought his decision was something with my good attitude on him during whole game.
In the other hand, does any of you guys know why did this selfish jerk went with Lee at the end of the last episode?
Kenny has many flaws. Too many to be tolerated in my group. But if I was forced to say something good about Kenny it would be that he cares deeply for his family. I didn't ask him to join me in Clem's rescue mission. But I think if you tell him that Clem is family that he goes with you regardless of your standing with Kenny. This is Kenny's only good weakness and it says volumes about your character if you use this against him. I did not do this because I hate Kenny and don't need his services on this important mission.
Kenny has many flaws. Too many to be tolerated in my group. But if I was forced to say something good about Kenny it would be that he cares deeply for his family. I didn't ask him to join me in Clem's rescue mission. But I think if you tell him that Clem is family that he goes with you regardless of your standing with Kenny. This is Kenny's only good weakness and it says volumes about your character if you use this against him. I did not do this because I hate Kenny and don't need his services on this important mission.
I wish you could tell me these before I choose "Clem is family" dialog.
I didn't want him eighter, but he insisted and managed to come with me
I tried to make everyone give up that idea of coming with me, but whatever I did, they managed to join me one by one. And in the end, I was like... "Oo. oo- wha?..."
I was really very fond of going alone. This must have end like that. But they didn't let me do it, hahahaha ))
(I don't want to get back to an early save point to change things as I never did it... well.... maybe I could have tried with that Lilly-Carley scene )
It's interesting that the one good thing you can say about Kenny is that he cares about his family, yet when did he actually take care of them?
Ep 1 - On the tractor (Lee saves Duck)
Ep 1 - Outside the pharmacy (Carley saves Duck)
Ep 2 - By the truck (Lee saves Katjaa)
Ep 2 - In the house (Lee saves Katjaa from Brenda)
Ep 2 - Outside the house (Lee saves Duck after Kenny fucks it up)
Ep 3 - During the ambush (Lee saves Katjaa and Duck). Carley, Lilly and Lee are dealing with the walkers. Where's Kenny? He's left his family behind to get the RV started
He couldn't even finish off Duck, even when Katjaa and Lee both said he should, instead leaving him alone in the forest.
I wish you could tell me these before I choose "Clem is family" dialog.
I don't want him eighter, but he insisted and managed to come with me
I tried to make everyone give up that idea of coming with me, but whatever I did, they managed to join me one by one. And in the end, I was like... "Oo. oo- wha?..."
I was really very fond of going alone. This must have end like that. But they didn't let me do it, hahahaha ))
(I don't want to get back to an early save point to change things as I never did it... well.... maybe I could have tried with that Lilly-Carley scene )
There is a certain appeal to going alone. It's like that's the way John Wayne would have done it! Everyone that is going on this mission is going to die in my opinion. I too would prefer to go alone but I think Omid and Christa care for Clem too so I'm glad they are with me.
I don't do rewinds or have multiple playthroughs either. These other options I learn about on the forums. Still, if you were to do a rewind and ditch Kenny I certainly would not ask any questions.:D
It's interesting that the one good thing you can say about Kenny is that he cares about his family, yet when did he actually take care of them?
Ep 1 - On the tractor (Lee saves Duck)
Ep 1 - Outside the pharmacy (Carley saves Duck)
Ep 2 - By the truck (Lee saves Katjaa)
Ep 2 - In the house (Lee saves Katjaa from Brenda)
Ep 2 - Outside the house (Lee saves Duck after Kenny fucks it up)
Ep 3 - During the ambush (Lee saves Katjaa and Duck). Carley, Lilly and Lee are dealing with the walkers. Where's Kenny? He's left his family behind to get the RV started
He couldn't even finish off Duck, even when Katjaa and Lee both said he should, instead leaving him alone in the forest.
Well, no argument there. I've just seen Kenny become more "concerned" when his family is involved. Charging Andy and getting shot in the process is more in line with what I mean and why he would go with you to rescue Clem if you told him she was family.
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I can see it like that, if you choose to tell Clem you should go your own way. I told her we would find a boat, and stay with Kenny. I thought splitting up wouldn't be a good idea, especially after hearing the guy on the radio. In my playthrough it makes perfect sense for Kenny to be with us, but it seems kind of like condensing the story a bit if you want to leave but you're forced to stay with the current group. I'm sure that there is a reasonable in game explanation for not being able to leave Kenny and the rest, like when he mentions that the walkers are everywhere and the guy on the radio is messing with them. Agreed that Kenny has had a good run (not from his perspective I bet) and that, by this time players who want to part with him should have that choice. I hope it really doesn't ruin it for you, being forced to stay with Kenny for a great majority of the episode. I'd probably feel the same way if he and Lilly had been switched around.
Oh, they read the forums all right. I remember reading an interview a little while back where Jake Rodkin said he encountered two-three paragraph posts about Larry not deserving what he got (in the aftermath of Episode 2). I wouldn't be surprised if they dropped in to thebigger threads like this one from time to time, just to see what people think of their brilliantly written characters.
Or Duck.
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So guys, what are you gonna do with Kenny? Those of us who really cannot stand him, should we let him die or risk our/somebody else's life in order to try and save his ungrateful skin?
I think I'm just gonna stand and watch... just the way he did in my ep 2 and 3. When the comes I will probably have a change of heart and I'll try to save him. For now however, I would love to think that I will give him what he deserves. However, I am absolutely positive that if I have to risk somebody's life in order to save his, I won't do it. He hasn't earned it.
Ep 4
Kenny: "LEE! My Gun!"
Lee: *Kicks gun away, books it *
I hope that will teach him that you don't have to be best buds to save a fellow group member,a grovelling apology would also be nice.
If it turns out to be a Carley/Doug situation...
So long Kenny boy, I hope it doesn't hurt too much
I would rather Kenny left the group alive than dead and he can take that gangly piece of shit Ben with him too.
Even Ben decided to help me, even though I voted against him for the boat. I guess he might be stupid, but he doesn't hold grudges, like some other people.
Totally man! Episode 4 was a beast... Telltale knows how to deliver!
I've really enjoyed the last part of e4 with no Kenny or Ben in the group. Oh well, all good things must come to an end, I think with the herd arriving in town that everyone, except for Ben that is (a walker got him), will be back in the group even if you did not take them with you.
I'm not going to bend myself backwards through the whole game and pledge loyalty to this asshole just so he would be willing to save someone else's skin i.e. Clementine at the end of Episode 4. He's hardly ever had your back through the whole game.
Kenny Episode 1
Kenny Episode 2
Kenny Episode 3
Kenny Episode 4
TLDR; Buck Fenny!
P.S. My last save Omid/Christa/Ben are with me to go to Episode 5 I don't care if Kenny drowns or dies in his boat or he leaves us behind, he let me down so many times and I'm looking forward to getting rid of Kenny. At the end of the day I keep asking myself "Would this be the kind of guy I would like to have as a partner if a zombie apocalypse happened?" And to that I say hell mutha**************************** NO!
Anyhow, I think we probably will, he'll probably wait for you even though you told him to go f himself...
Buddy, I think...you're being paranoid.
Join team Ghey for Kenny!
he's not being paranoid, kenny is a selfish douche
I couldn't agree more!
Larry was an asshole, who left you for dead only for Kenny to pull you out of the drugstore. Lily turned out be a complete pyscho too.
I felt genuinely sorry for Kenny dealing with his loss. Even though he may seem a bit unstable who has he hurt? Well, Larry, but as I said: Larry was an asshole.
I completely think the opposite:)
Kenny treated like a coward for most of the time, and he was much selfish for many times and "I think" these were all about his desire to be a leader than his addiction to his family.
Remember how Katjaa thinks about his behaviours. I don't know your scenario, but in my scenario she was completely with me than she was with her own husband.
And about Larry... Even he left me behind for a couple of times, or even it looks like he was looking for a chance to stab me in the back; I really really couldn't get angry with him. Cause he never mentioned that he is my friend. At least he was honest with me.
After I gave him the chocolate bar (in the beginning of the second episode I think), his first words were "Don't you ever think this will change something..."
This was a great answer to me, and it meant to me that he secretly admires what I just did. Cause he didn't remain silent.
He was only not succesfull of warming people except her daughter. And all he cares was his daughter, he already mentioned that a billion times.
Anyway, think about yourself; what would you think about a man who was committed with a crime in some way or another, popping up with a little orphan girl? I don't think I could easily trust him.
And plus, think about how obsessive Larry was.
Lilly... ahhh... Even though she killed my beloved Carley, I still can't be angry with her too. So far to that point, she was with me at all time. She always confirmed what I did and she never gave up believing in me. The thing is she was so unstable after she lost her father. Larry means to her like her whole life, too. And I respect truthfully those two for this connection or theirs.
I didn't suprised when Lilly shot Carley after Carley's hard words. Lee was her second father prototype after her father gone -I think-, and she got depressed more and more when she couldn't express herself to Lee. And Carley really pushed her buttons, too. (I'm sure there was also an invisible contention about Lee between those two:) )
But, about Kenny...Nah, I really can't see any reason for him to be a real asshole until his losses, but only his desire for leading people. This ego of him was a dangerous one which causes his face to translate when Lee tried to cheer him up on the train.
I'm playing this game, trying to imagine why every character treat as they do.
So, after some discussion in me; I totally sympathize with Larry and Lilly much more (even I don't agree with their behaviours) than that asshole Kenny. I'm saying that, I'm not with them but I understand them. They had reasons one way or another.
Kenny's family was there, there were many people to be trusted around him, and the best part- I myself was there to do the dirty work; and he was still hungry for more and more...
Sorry, but no one can make me understand the ambition of that false & loser Kenny, when he insisted on plundering the lone car. How can he finds himself he has right to make a word, to make decisions after I did all the hard job with psycho brothers ! :S
Family issues, or what ? ! ?
I've always considered it a gradual decline in his humanity over the 3 months the group's been surviving that lead to his current attitude. I don't really think he's a power hungry megalomaniac, at least anymore than Lilly was, but think that he TRULY thought that he knew what was best for the group. He was a total bastard to her after he killed her dad (and I felt like crap because I helped) and he's also pretty stupid at certain points (telling about the girl in the street, or saying he was proud of you for dropping Ben). He's a stupid redneck though, and lets his emotions get the best of him at times.
I pretty much forgave him after I talked him down on the train because I finally understood why he was acting like such a douche lately (he didn't leave me to die in the barn or under the door, but I got fed up with his crap during the supply run. I also shot the girl). When he said he kept blaming himself for Shawn and said that he knew that sooner or later it would catch up to him, that cast his actions in a different light to me. He was just scared of losing his only family in the world and thought that because he made one mistake on Hershal's farm that his wife and son would pay for it. Knowing that he's blaming himself for every bad thing that happens to his family made me understand why they seemed like the only thing he cared about. And when I was able to make him see that he was wrong without having to fight him, I forgave him when he went to deal with his son and stop the train. The same reason I forgave Ben at Crawford. He was willing to face his mistakes and take responsibility for his actions. He volunteered to find Clem without a second thought, so I'll be glad to have him watching my back in Episode 5.
Rock114, that sounds like a pretty great story but unfortunately it can never happen in my playthrough.
A good guy is always a good guy, mistakes might be made but ultimately they attempt to do the right thing, regardless of the situation.
That is not Kenny
Kenny doesn't give a fuck about doing the right thing or being a good guy. Kenny is a trader, he's out for what he can get and if he doesn't feel you've given him enough, doing the "right thing" is completely irrelevant.
The guy has stuck with your group like a parasite because it was good for him. I actually tested that theory at the start of Ep 3 and suggested that if he wanted to take off in the RV then he should take his family and go. He didn't want to, admitting that he was screwed without everyone else.
Trust me that whether you think he's good or bad, when push comes to shove, Kenny will take care of himself and leave you to die.
What do you think of Lilly and Carley?
I have no real opinion of Carley. As for Lilly, I liked her, I agreed with the way she ran things and I won't condemn her for that mistake after what Kenny did to her. Had she not driven off I would have taken Clem and gone with her.
I completely agree.
As I said before he is always hungry for more and more...
Whatever he did; even if I didn't choose him when it came to decisions, I always tried to be polite to him. I don't know, I really don't like that guy but something held me back to treat him as he deserves. He is the last character who came all this way with me (ironically) except Clem, maybe that was the reason.
And I felt pretty surprised when he decided to come with me? But then, I thought his decision was something with my good attitude on him during whole game.
In the other hand, does any of you guys know why did this selfish jerk went with Lee at the end of the last episode?
I know, right! You're one of the very few people who share my opinion of Lilly and Kenny
This is exactly right. That's why I told Kenny to go fuck himself and he will not be with me in e5.
I don't know, he didn't come with me in my playthrough. I didn't really give him the chance, either.
Since the end of ep.2 I had already made up my mind to ditch Kenny the second I'm presented with an opportunity.
Kenny has many flaws. Too many to be tolerated in my group. But if I was forced to say something good about Kenny it would be that he cares deeply for his family. I didn't ask him to join me in Clem's rescue mission. But I think if you tell him that Clem is family that he goes with you regardless of your standing with Kenny. This is Kenny's only good weakness and it says volumes about your character if you use this against him. I did not do this because I hate Kenny and don't need his services on this important mission.
I wish you could tell me these before I choose "Clem is family" dialog.
I didn't want him eighter, but he insisted and managed to come with me
I tried to make everyone give up that idea of coming with me, but whatever I did, they managed to join me one by one. And in the end, I was like... "Oo. oo- wha?..."
I was really very fond of going alone. This must have end like that. But they didn't let me do it, hahahaha
(I don't want to get back to an early save point to change things as I never did it... well.... maybe I could have tried with that Lilly-Carley scene
Ep 1 - On the tractor (Lee saves Duck)
Ep 1 - Outside the pharmacy (Carley saves Duck)
Ep 2 - By the truck (Lee saves Katjaa)
Ep 2 - In the house (Lee saves Katjaa from Brenda)
Ep 2 - Outside the house (Lee saves Duck after Kenny fucks it up)
Ep 3 - During the ambush (Lee saves Katjaa and Duck). Carley, Lilly and Lee are dealing with the walkers. Where's Kenny? He's left his family behind to get the RV started
He couldn't even finish off Duck, even when Katjaa and Lee both said he should, instead leaving him alone in the forest.
There is a certain appeal to going alone. It's like that's the way John Wayne would have done it! Everyone that is going on this mission is going to die in my opinion. I too would prefer to go alone but I think Omid and Christa care for Clem too so I'm glad they are with me.
I don't do rewinds or have multiple playthroughs either. These other options I learn about on the forums. Still, if you were to do a rewind and ditch Kenny I certainly would not ask any questions.:D
Well, no argument there. I've just seen Kenny become more "concerned" when his family is involved. Charging Andy and getting shot in the process is more in line with what I mean and why he would go with you to rescue Clem if you told him she was family.