kenny only gets christa out of the hole because his dumbass knocked the talkie into the hole in the first place and he wouldn't go get it so Christa had to go get it. (no proof she's pregnant by the way. It's just a theory) And in the other situation with Ben nobody knows how he spent that last bullet, we don't see him fire. Lilly is just who other people than you would rather have come back, just because you don't agree doesn't make them trolls. And plenty of people other than me think his story is perfect the way it is.
Lilly's story on the other hand is definitely continuable. she's alive for sure, and could easily fit in with a group. She is just better in every way. Yea she killed carley/doug, but if you want to use that argument you could just be countered with the "kenny killed larry" argument. Except kenny also leaves you for dead whenever you get in trouble, if you disagree with him once, even about petty things. yea that's reeeal loyal! (sarcasm if you can't tell)
Kenny tells us he only has one bullet, and we hear him fire, cutting off a pleading Ben, so it's safe to assume he shot him.
It's pretty much definite that Christa is pregnant, given the drinking scene. The way she looks at her stomach when offered the drink speaks volumes, and even Kenny picks up on it. Lee, too, since he comments that she's "walking for too" later. There's also her emotional reaction to Anna's abortion situation, and Omid thinking there's another reason for her getting sick.
kenny only gets christa out of the hole because his dumbass knocked the talkie into the hole in the first place and he wouldn't go get it so C… morehrista had to go get it. (no proof she's pregnant by the way. It's just a theory) And in the other situation with Ben nobody knows how he spent that last bullet, we don't see him fire. Lilly is just who other people than you would rather have come back, just because you don't agree doesn't make them trolls. And plenty of people other than me think his story is perfect the way it is.
Lilly's story on the other hand is definitely continuable. she's alive for sure, and could easily fit in with a group. She is just better in every way. Yea she killed carley/doug, but if you want to use that argument you could just be countered with the "kenny killed larry" argument. Except kenny also leaves you for dead whenever you get in trouble, if you disagree with him once, even about petty things. yea that's reeeal loyal! (sarcasm if you can't tell)
Yea she killed carley/doug, but if you want to use that argument you could just be countered with the "kenny killed larry" argument.
Except you can't compare both situations. Kenny didn't want to murder Larry, he was persuaded that Larry was dead, that's the whole point : he wanted to keep him that way and not allow his body to turn.
Lilly murdered in cold-blood a person she knew was very alive, and who posed zero threat at the moment.
That's a huge difference of nature between the two killings. You can accuse Kenny of having been terribly careless and having misjudged the situation, but certainly not of voluntary homicide.
kenny also leaves you for dead whenever you get in trouble if you disagree with him once
But the thing is he never lets you down if you always side with him...
Unlike Lilly who will steal the RV no matter if you were always -always- loyal to her. If you want to go with her, she pretends she lets you some time to go fetch Clementine, and as soon as you're out of the RV, she leaves without you.
Talk about gratitude for your neverending, unquestioning support. Backstabbing betrayal at its best.
Worst Kenny is a douchebag, Best Kenny is the most loyal friend
Worst Lilly is a bitch, Best Lilly... is still a bitch.
kenny only gets christa out of the hole because his dumbass knocked the talkie into the hole in the first place and he wouldn't go get it so C… morehrista had to go get it. (no proof she's pregnant by the way. It's just a theory) And in the other situation with Ben nobody knows how he spent that last bullet, we don't see him fire. Lilly is just who other people than you would rather have come back, just because you don't agree doesn't make them trolls. And plenty of people other than me think his story is perfect the way it is.
Lilly's story on the other hand is definitely continuable. she's alive for sure, and could easily fit in with a group. She is just better in every way. Yea she killed carley/doug, but if you want to use that argument you could just be countered with the "kenny killed larry" argument. Except kenny also leaves you for dead whenever you get in trouble, if you disagree with him once, even about petty things. yea that's reeeal loyal! (sarcasm if you can't tell)
Alright guys, if this choice does make it into season 2, what situation do you think would bring it about? Maybe both end up at Tavia's settlement and someone (Bonnie?) gets murdered and Clem has to help decide which of them is responsible because no one would suspect a kid snooping around and they don't want anyone to panic. Most evidence would probably point to Kenny since it would make the decision more difficult on the majority, maybe initially withdrawals appear to have incapacitated Bonnie and someone kills her fearing reanimation. Maybe Lily hates Bonnie (thinks she's weak, a resource drain, finds out Bonnie's group stole from others etc.) Kenny's cap is found nearby (making it look like the Larry in the locker situation for Kenny, but also implicating Lily at the same time). In the end, the person Clem thinks is responsible is sentenced to death. "We're looking for good people," and exiling a murderer could bring about his/her revenge on the community later. So they kill him/her. Of course in the end it will end up being neither of them. Maybe Kenny and she had been hooking up, lonely after losing Katjaa and Duck, and he forgot his hat and her death was perhaps suicide over what she did to Leland's wife? Becca finds out she was one of the 'bandits' that tore her group apart? Angry Leland? but once the truth comes out it will be too late.
Let's assume that it is Becca who kills Bonnie, Becca is then also killed by Tavia's group. This makes Clem feel unsafe, guilty for a friend's death (wrongly accusing Lily/Kenny) and Shel feels betrayed by Tavia so they leave together for the next episode...
In the determinant case that Shel and Becca didn't leave with Tavia, it was a suicide and Clem leaves alone only to run into Shel who has recently lost Becca to walkers, so the next episode starts the same with Shel and Clem together.
Personally I'm not really a Kenny fan, but I'm not 100% on board with Lilly either.
The deciding factor would be who finds her first in that situation. If Lilly found Clem after the Lee incident and took care of her n blah blah blah, then maybe you would feel for her a lil"?
I would have to say that if a choice did come to saving either Kenny or Lilly, I would have to go with Kenny. Mainly because Kenny was the kind of character who would go above and beyond for those he cares about. The way he protects Duck and Katjaa is one of the things that I admired the most about him.
I would have to say that if a choice did come to saving either Kenny or Lilly, I would have to go with Kenny. Mainly because Kenny was the kin… mored of character who would go above and beyond for those he cares about. The way he protects Duck and Katjaa is one of the things that I admired the most about him.
I just hope kenny isn't in S2 in the first place, his story arc is perfect how it is. Lilly may be a bitch, but that's kind of the point. she doesn't give a shit about about one person, only the group. Her personality is better than kenny's "stab in the back if disagreed with over anything" personality. Just because someone is liked, doesn't mean they should be brought back from the dead. i'm not really a fan of Lilly in paticular, just definitely not a fan of kenny. (here come the attacks on me from kenny's ass sniffers)
Kenny is dead, but if he wasn't it'd ALWAYS be Lilly. Best character in the game imo..
How was Kenny a good person, though? He left Lee to … moredie on a number of occasions! And, he killed Larry when he could have been revived! Kenny is as much of a murderer as Lilly.
Yeah I totally see where your coming from. I know that if someone shot Lilly in cold blood I would of been pissed. I really liked her as a character but REALLY disliked her morals but stilled cared about her, kinda like you with Kenny. I guess I didn't care about Carley or Doug in my playthrough was because I didn't really care about him in the first lace. I didn't bother save Carley, A grown woman who cant turn on a radio wouldnt be helpful in the apocalypse imo. But I still see where your coming from.
To be honest I wouldn't be sure which to opt for, after EP 2 I was more sympathetic to Lilly than Kenny following him killing her father. Then… more Lilly killed Carley in EP 3 and boy did that tick me off. So I dunno. I think my gut would be Kenny to be saved. Even if I ended up disliking his morals I loved his character. But I was pretty much the same with Lilly. Kenny just happened to be about longer.
In one of my playthroughs I was a complete ass to Kenny and at the end he sided and stayed with me, I was like like WTF but Lilly was terrified, people do crazy things, out of character when they are under extreme pressure. I'll bet we'll be hearing apoligies when we see her again.
Kenny turning his back on Lee = it all depends on your playthrough, if you're loyal to him he's loyal to you and will follow you into hell
… moreLilly turning her back on Lee = happens even if you were always loyal to her, bitch steals the RV no matter what and abandons you and Clem even if you wanted to follow her into hell
...Clementine will remember this
I don't think this would be a difficult decision for the majority of players. I didn't always agree with Kenny, but Lily shot Carley. Carley wasn't in danger, she wasn't a threat to the group, she wasn't about to turn. I liked Carley. Lee liked Carley. Clem liked Carley. So I would save Kenny.
I believe both are dead though.
Yeah I actually never understood this whole thing of KENNY COULD BE ALIVE! When i first played that part where Kenny goes down the hole and doesnt come back I was instantly like, "Awww Kenny died" I assumed he died so I was baffled when I heard all these theories about Kenny Vs Lilly because I was like,"buuuut Kenny died, remember" I'm pretty sure hes dead guys, so let him go. CUE SAD MUSIC " MY HEART WILL GO ON"
I don't think this would be a difficult decision for the majority of players. I didn't always agree with Kenny, but Lily shot Carley. Carley w… moreasn't in danger, she wasn't a threat to the group, she wasn't about to turn. I liked Carley. Lee liked Carley. Clem liked Carley. So I would save Kenny.
I believe both are dead though.
I'm not saying Clem didn't like Lily but I lost any respect I may have had for Lily, the second she shot innocent and likable Carley which Clem witnessed! There is no way I would let my Clem go with her after that. I did try and save Larry despite hating him - for Lily and Clem's sake - but I understand Kenny not wanting to take the risk of him turning. If he had turned, they'd ALL be dead.
It's different. The first ones are just simple movements. The last one however, he opens his mouth more. If you wear headphones, you even a light sound.
BUT KENNY CAUSE LILY TO DO THAT! Lily was really nice before Episode 3 and Kenny messed that up by killing her dad right in front of her! She knew her dad had faults be he still was her dad and what Kenny was pretty horrific. And to put it back on Kenny, what if Duck was bitten? He would of been a threat to everyone in that room in Episode 1! So if Larry did kill Duck, he could of use the same excuse you are using for Kenny.
he killed Larry when he could have been revived!
He could have been revived ? How do you know that ? Nobody knows. He looked dead, the… morere was a solid reason to believe he was dead (heart attack), and therefore he was potentially a huge threat. You can accuse Kenny of having misjudged the situation (on what facts though?) and to have made too quickly his decision as he was freaking out, but you can't deny he believed he was saving everybody in the room from a horrible death at the hands of a huge zombie. For all we know, that may very well be the case, he might have saved us.
Therefore -"Kenny is as much of a murderer as Lilly"- how do you even dare to compare Kenny's action with Lilly shooting Carley in the face as she posed absolutely no threat at the moment ?
What was the justification to kill her here and now, just because she was pissed at her ? First she suspected Ben, then as soon Carley took his defense, suddenly Lilly thought… [view original content]
I liked Kenny but Lily was one of my favorite Characters in Season 1. Hell, they should of made her a love interest equal to Carley. She was changed after Episode 2 but only because Kenny killed her dad, fuck Kenny!
I liked Kenny but Lily was one of my favorite Characters in Season 1. Hell, they should of made her a love interest equal to Carley. She was changed after Episode 2 but only because Kenny killed her dad, fuck Kenny!
I'm not entirely convinced that he was "alive"...how many times (in all TWD media, and other zombie-fiction) have people seemed to be alive, when they were really just reanimating?
As harsh as it may sound, I honestly found Larry to be a huge liability anyway -- he was itching to destroy the group; if he hadn't died that way, Lee/Kenny would have likely been forced to kill him later on.
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kenny only gets christa out of the hole because his dumbass knocked the talkie into the hole in the first place and he wouldn't go get it so Christa had to go get it. (no proof she's pregnant by the way. It's just a theory) And in the other situation with Ben nobody knows how he spent that last bullet, we don't see him fire. Lilly is just who other people than you would rather have come back, just because you don't agree doesn't make them trolls. And plenty of people other than me think his story is perfect the way it is.
Lilly's story on the other hand is definitely continuable. she's alive for sure, and could easily fit in with a group. She is just better in every way. Yea she killed carley/doug, but if you want to use that argument you could just be countered with the "kenny killed larry" argument. Except kenny also leaves you for dead whenever you get in trouble, if you disagree with him once, even about petty things. yea that's reeeal loyal! (sarcasm if you can't tell)
Don't bring a knife to a gunfight.O_o
Kenny tells us he only has one bullet, and we hear him fire, cutting off a pleading Ben, so it's safe to assume he shot him.
It's pretty much definite that Christa is pregnant, given the drinking scene. The way she looks at her stomach when offered the drink speaks volumes, and even Kenny picks up on it. Lee, too, since he comments that she's "walking for too" later. There's also her emotional reaction to Anna's abortion situation, and Omid thinking there's another reason for her getting sick.
You're a horrible person
Except you can't compare both situations. Kenny didn't want to murder Larry, he was persuaded that Larry was dead, that's the whole point : he wanted to keep him that way and not allow his body to turn.
Lilly murdered in cold-blood a person she knew was very alive, and who posed zero threat at the moment.
That's a huge difference of nature between the two killings. You can accuse Kenny of having been terribly careless and having misjudged the situation, but certainly not of voluntary homicide.
But the thing is he never lets you down if you always side with him...
Unlike Lilly who will steal the RV no matter if you were always -always- loyal to her. If you want to go with her, she pretends she lets you some time to go fetch Clementine, and as soon as you're out of the RV, she leaves without you.
Talk about gratitude for your neverending, unquestioning support. Backstabbing betrayal at its best.
Worst Kenny is a douchebag, Best Kenny is the most loyal friend
Worst Lilly is a bitch, Best Lilly... is still a bitch.
Alright guys, if this choice does make it into season 2, what situation do you think would bring it about? Maybe both end up at Tavia's settlement and someone (Bonnie?) gets murdered and Clem has to help decide which of them is responsible because no one would suspect a kid snooping around and they don't want anyone to panic. Most evidence would probably point to Kenny since it would make the decision more difficult on the majority, maybe initially withdrawals appear to have incapacitated Bonnie and someone kills her fearing reanimation. Maybe Lily hates Bonnie (thinks she's weak, a resource drain, finds out Bonnie's group stole from others etc.) Kenny's cap is found nearby (making it look like the Larry in the locker situation for Kenny, but also implicating Lily at the same time). In the end, the person Clem thinks is responsible is sentenced to death. "We're looking for good people," and exiling a murderer could bring about his/her revenge on the community later. So they kill him/her. Of course in the end it will end up being neither of them. Maybe Kenny and she had been hooking up, lonely after losing Katjaa and Duck, and he forgot his hat and her death was perhaps suicide over what she did to Leland's wife? Becca finds out she was one of the 'bandits' that tore her group apart? Angry Leland? but once the truth comes out it will be too late.
Let's assume that it is Becca who kills Bonnie, Becca is then also killed by Tavia's group. This makes Clem feel unsafe, guilty for a friend's death (wrongly accusing Lily/Kenny) and Shel feels betrayed by Tavia so they leave together for the next episode...
In the determinant case that Shel and Becca didn't leave with Tavia, it was a suicide and Clem leaves alone only to run into Shel who has recently lost Becca to walkers, so the next episode starts the same with Shel and Clem together.
Personally I'm not really a Kenny fan, but I'm not 100% on board with Lilly either.
The deciding factor would be who finds her first in that situation. If Lilly found Clem after the Lee incident and took care of her n blah blah blah, then maybe you would feel for her a lil"?
I would have to say that if a choice did come to saving either Kenny or Lilly, I would have to go with Kenny. Mainly because Kenny was the kind of character who would go above and beyond for those he cares about. The way he protects Duck and Katjaa is one of the things that I admired the most about him.
A Kenny vs Lilly choice would be perfect! So much tension :P
I just hope kenny isn't in S2 in the first place, his story arc is perfect how it is. Lilly may be a bitch, but that's kind of the point. she doesn't give a shit about about one person, only the group. Her personality is better than kenny's "stab in the back if disagreed with over anything" personality. Just because someone is liked, doesn't mean they should be brought back from the dead. i'm not really a fan of Lilly in paticular, just definitely not a fan of kenny. (here come the attacks on me from kenny's ass sniffers)
How about being forced to choose between her hat or the photo of Lee?
Please excuse me, I've just made myself very sad.
That would be really hard too, symbolically choosing to keep her parents or Lee's memory with her...
I love Lilly aswell, if she is in season 2 i'm going to see to it that i stay with Lilly til her last dying breath! (That sounded creepy lol)
xD Yes. But seeing as that's not an option, Always Coca Cola.
Yeah I totally see where your coming from. I know that if someone shot Lilly in cold blood I would of been pissed. I really liked her as a character but REALLY disliked her morals but stilled cared about her, kinda like you with Kenny. I guess I didn't care about Carley or Doug in my playthrough was because I didn't really care about him in the first lace. I didn't bother save Carley, A grown woman who cant turn on a radio wouldnt be helpful in the apocalypse imo. But I still see where your coming from.
In one of my playthroughs I was a complete ass to Kenny and at the end he sided and stayed with me, I was like like WTF but Lilly was terrified, people do crazy things, out of character when they are under extreme pressure. I'll bet we'll be hearing apoligies when we see her again.
Totally agree she was an extremely interesting character
Calm down there Virgil, thats taking it a little bit too far, she was only joking, anyone who didn't see that is a little silly..
When he says shes "walking for two" hes talking about Clementine because they agreed earlier that when Lee dies Christa is going to take care of her.
I don't think this would be a difficult decision for the majority of players. I didn't always agree with Kenny, but Lily shot Carley. Carley wasn't in danger, she wasn't a threat to the group, she wasn't about to turn. I liked Carley. Lee liked Carley. Clem liked Carley. So I would save Kenny.
I believe both are dead though.
Yeah I actually never understood this whole thing of KENNY COULD BE ALIVE! When i first played that part where Kenny goes down the hole and doesnt come back I was instantly like, "Awww Kenny died" I assumed he died so I was baffled when I heard all these theories about Kenny Vs Lilly because I was like,"buuuut Kenny died, remember" I'm pretty sure hes dead guys, so let him go. CUE SAD MUSIC " MY HEART WILL GO ON"
Clem liked Lilly too, she gave her the hair things and was extremely upset when Larry was murdered and was concerned for Lilly's well being.
I wish I hadn't posted it. If this choice comes up in the game now I'm gonna feel responsible :<
I'm not saying Clem didn't like Lily but I lost any respect I may have had for Lily, the second she shot innocent and likable Carley which Clem witnessed! There is no way I would let my Clem go with her after that. I did try and save Larry despite hating him - for Lily and Clem's sake - but I understand Kenny not wanting to take the risk of him turning. If he had turned, they'd ALL be dead.
I always assumed that 'walking for two' simply meant she'd be helping Omid since his leg was still injured.
I think Lilly would have to redeem herself before Clementine could trust her again, let alone be freinds.
I'd save Kenny, easy. Not even an option for me.
It's different. The first ones are just simple movements. The last one however, he opens his mouth more. If you wear headphones, you even a light sound.
Really. You wanna be a murderer and a fuckinh psycho? That sound great.
Well, Kenny did plenty to make Clem like him less as well.
BUT KENNY CAUSE LILY TO DO THAT! Lily was really nice before Episode 3 and Kenny messed that up by killing her dad right in front of her! She knew her dad had faults be he still was her dad and what Kenny was pretty horrific. And to put it back on Kenny, what if Duck was bitten? He would of been a threat to everyone in that room in Episode 1! So if Larry did kill Duck, he could of use the same excuse you are using for Kenny.
I liked Kenny but Lily was one of my favorite Characters in Season 1. Hell, they should of made her a love interest equal to Carley. She was changed after Episode 2 but only because Kenny killed her dad, fuck Kenny!
And I helped kill her dad!! Ah good times good times
Hah, great thinking Tony
I'm not entirely convinced that he was "alive"...how many times (in all TWD media, and other zombie-fiction) have people seemed to be alive, when they were really just reanimating?
As harsh as it may sound, I honestly found Larry to be a huge liability anyway -- he was itching to destroy the group; if he hadn't died that way, Lee/Kenny would have likely been forced to kill him later on.