I'm a bit concerned one of the two endings of Season 1 will be considered the 'scumbag' ending
There's a quote from one of the writers of Season 1 in which he seems to weigh in that asking Clem to shoot you is a dick thing to do. That quote alarmed me. I didn't see it that way at all; I thought both options were hard but understandable and completely relate to people choosing either one. It never struck me as a 'scumbag Lee' moment, chosen only by people trying to be as obnoxious as possible.
In fact, despite spending the whole game trying to preserve life and work well with everyone, I chose to ask Clem to shoot me. She needed to learn: you don't let people turn if you can stop it, and I didn't want her to spend the rest of her life thinking of walker Lee chained to that radiator when she already has to deal with her parents being undead flesh eating monsters.
As such, I hope Season 2 doesn't make people who had Clem shoot Lee feel like a bunch of heels, as if that choice was the 'bad' one. I consider it a perfectly valid choice, not dickish at all. Its a hard decision and not one which either choice should be viewed as the 'good' or the 'bad' one.
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Scumbag choice or not, she helps Lee with his dying wish and learns that doing something horrible like shooting someone you love is better than the alternative.
I get what he meant, making a little girl kill someone she loves will traumatize her for life, but for me it was the only thing to do. I couldnt bear the thought of Lee becoming a walker and I dont think my Clementine could either.
I always thought leaving Lee to turn into a walker was the dick thing to do.
I couldn't imagine leaving Lee to turn into a walker, it would just be too disrespectful because his such a great character.
It's going to traumatize her but it will help her become stronger and learn rather then just walk away and leave someone so close to her like Lee to turn into a mindless walker.
I understand some people emotionally couldn't kill Lee but i could never leave him or any of the group to turn into walkers.
Leaving a walker Lee chained to a radiator is a good choice ? FUCK THAT, that's worse then shooting him. Clementine could never forgive herself if she left him there.
I said to her "safe the bullett". Lee is gone it doesnt matter if its a walker or not and with the shot she makes a noise that can get her in to trouble and of course she must safe the bullett.
i don't think "that last bullet" will be important in season 2
I really hope they don't treat badly the decision to have Lee shot to prevent being turned into a walker. No one wants to be turned into a walker, and I agree that Clementine knowing that Lee turned into one could easily be more emotionally distressing than putting him down to prevent it.
for me it was the GOOD option not the dick one. i would not like clem to see a zombified lee wandering the streets if she revisits the savanahh i also thought that this would be the best thing to teach clem.
It was IMHO the best ending. You taught her not to let people you care about to turn into walkers so you shoot them in the head. Perfect lesson and it was the perfect ending because it ended with her crying and heartbroken with sets up a good Season 2.
I would have asked Clementine to shoot Lee if she hadn't been able to escape. Simple as that. I helped kill Larry because the situation demanded it, the 'Trapped' scenario ended when Clementine killed the cop walker and Lee was cuffed.
Remember 400 Days ? Walkers will go as far as dismembering THEMSELVES to reach you. I have no doubt a walker Lee would have ripped his hand off to catch her.
Shooting Lee was the best choice period. Clementine might feel guilty at first but it's much better than always feeling remorse for leaving walker Lee roam the world, destined to rot and starve.
I'm saying it outright, I don't regret at all that decision.
If they do the smart thing, neither thing will be considered good/bad, they'd just be treated as hard choices that have particular consequences.
I won't lie. My initial response was to shoot him but then I remembered that they were hiding from all those walkers outside and that shot would have made it harder for her to get away...
The way I played Lee, I'd already amputated his arm. Even if he did reanimate and rip his hand off. He'd be armless, practically harmless.
I think the "Leaving" ending provides more closure for the player. I atleast know Lee will become a Walker. You don't even know if Clementine ACTUALLY shot Lee. A fade to black is in no way proof that Clementine really shot him. At the last second she could have changed her mind and shot the wall instead. It's happened in TWD before between Morgan & Dwayne.
Welp. Downvotes for unpopular opinion I guess.
I fear that I might have messed up also, I choose to shoot because it would bring some closure, I can't imagine Clem would not be traumatized by the thought that her new father is still a walker in Savannah, maybe eating someone right now.
only a moron would lee there with helping him if not clem would be dead long ago
Honestly, either choice really doesn't matter: Clementine will either be traumatized by shooting someone she loved, or traumatized by the fact that every time she sees a walker, she will think of Lee.
Either way, it sucks for Clem... Poor Clem.
She shot him. It makes no sense for her to shoot the wall and then just leave. There would be no reason to have that choice to begin with if she doesnt do it.
By that logic, then we don't know if in the "Leave" ending she decides that it's better if Lee doesn't become a walker, then goes back and shoots him anyway. While a fade to black is no proof that she shot him in the "Shoot Him" ending, in the "Leave" ending it's no proof that she didn't GO BACK and shoot him.
Show me Lee's corpse with a gunshot in its head and I'll believe you.Your claim that there would be no reason is also invalid since the choice to help save Larry, didn't actually save Larry. The choice to not take the food, ended with everyone taking the food. The choice to save Omid or Christa, ended with them both on the train. I'm sure you're aware of the illusion of choice in TWD. That is most things you do in this game don't actually matter, events will play out but no matter what, the outcome is always the same. If it's how Telltale wants it to go then that's how it'll go. Not saying it will go that way but it could.
A valid counter argument indeed. You are right, it could go that way as well.
I'll have to tell my mother that it's finally confirmed that I'm a moron. She'll be so pleased to finally know, y'know?
The emotional weight of being the one to pull that trigger that time was more than it should be. Clem had just finished shooting someone - she doesn't need to get used to shooting people because of a might. She needs to use the gun only when it's absolutely necessary. At least, that's my point of view while she's my responsibility; as always, YMMV.
I think whether or not you kill Lee is too significant to make it anything but a definitive choice. The whole if you dont see the corpse, they're not dead idea doesnt apply. This reminds me too much of what happened in the tv show where a character was shot and for weeks people kept claiming that that person couldnt be dead because we didnt actually see the shot go into that person's body. Sure, okay, they could make it so that after that fact Clementine says she shot her last remaining bullet at a wall instead of killing Lee like he wanted and then walked away and left him as a walker but IMO and just IMO its too ludicrous and would cheapen the entire ending of the season.
Dude people get infected from BITES not HUGS! even an armless lee could do damage
Well maybe will be important because you teach her to safe the bullet for important things and not wasted it on unimportant things.
She has to learn. even if she is traumatised and shocked to death she has to learn. its the world she lives in. he had to go and i was NOT leaving him handcuffed to a radiator. Good people deserve to die like that and not come back. i let the stranger rot and become a walker while i had to put lee down. no matter what you say that is the final word
I said practically harmless, I know he'd still be dangerous only the danger is mitigated simply because he wouldn't be able to grab you..
I am suprised how many choice to shot lee. I cant understand it. its useless. There are millions of zombies and you get rid of one chained zombie. With that shot you put yourself in danger because of the noise and you waste a bullet that might save your life later. I am not saying if you are in safe environment of course you are going to put down lee but in that situation. Its just stupid thing to do i think. Life matters not death.
Lee's not millions of zombies. He was like a father to her and he was special to us the player. Its not just a matter of oh he's just one more dead guy and Clementine already had the shock of seeing her parents as walkers. Also, they were pretty well bunkered in that jewelry shop. I never really got the sense that she was in danger of the zombies crashing in there. Yeah, she could have used the bullet but I dont know how effective just one bullet would have been against a horde anyway.
When Lee died i felt like part of myself died but... after Lee is dead HE IS just one of the millions of zombies. He is no different. Like Chuck said: "or you are living or you are not". Thats how world is divided.
You dont know what is ahead of her. Maybe there is a zombie on the other side of that door that shoot wake him up. Gun against hord of zombies is useless anyway. Specially in a hand of small girl. You need that bullet for one zombie that could suprise her and kill her.
I share that opinion I want the choices to matter. I was just pointing out a thought I'd had about the fade to black was all. Going back and reading the first post you responded to I was pretty bratty and therefore a little flame-ey. Sorry if it antagonized you in any way.
The first time I played it, I let her walk away.
The second time I played it I had every intention of doing the same thing until she said: Please don't become one of them.
I believe the thought of Lee turning into a walker would be worse for her.
And she also needed to toughen up for life alone.
I think if one of the writers said it was the scumbag choice, he clearly didn't play his own game.
Every decision in there is a scumbag choice!
There were "good" choices in that game? All I saw were equal shades of misery and despair.
Poor people... Youve got three game slots,just do it different twice. Im just finishing the game 4th time, with different choices. There is so many diffrent way to play that game... Last time i played it Clementine shot that sick kidnapper, does she really needs to learn to kill? Personally i think decision should she kill Lee or not, should be left on Clementine herself, and that her decision should be showing us what we teached her along the game...
Well, Rodkin didn't say that it's bad if you let Clementine shoot you. He said that you're a dick if you force her to do it (I guess the same applies to forcing her to leave).
He only suggested that you should let Clementine make this decision by herself. And I essentially agree with that.
BUT the way her decision is determined doesn't make a lot of sense. She will ONLY shoot you if you are friends with Kenny. No matter what you do, how you treat her or what you teach her, she doesn't want to shoot you unless Kenny considers you his friend at the end of Episode 4.
I told her to leave me because the horde outside would have been attracted to the gunshot and bullets are a precious commodity. I like to think that I also taught her that you don't get to do what you want in this world, you do whatever it takes to stay safe and keep yourself alive. Shooting Lee might have been the right thing to do, but it was most certainly the stupid thing to do in that particular situation. Keeping Clem alive was the only priority once it became clear that Lee was a goner. Staying quiet and saving bullets gave Clem a better chance at survival.
And yes, one bullet might not do much good from the horde, but I was thinking beyond that. Maybe days, weeks, or even months from now she gets attacked by someone living. And maybe that one bullet means life and death. Who knows, but bottom line, she was better off keeping the bullet in the chamber and putting it in Lee's head.