The dog attacked her because when she dropped the can in the dogs mind it was giving her the food and then she tried to take away HIS food, sh… moree was no longer sharing the food with him she was stealing it from him. That's just how dogs are naturally, a household dog that's trained can lose those instincts but a dog living in the wild for 2+years is going to go back to that state.
If Clementine never dropped the can, she wouldn't have gotten bitten.
How did you get him off? Did you punch him in the face 5 times like Clem did? Did you kick the shit out of him when he lunged at you to while going in for the kill?
As an owner of a dog... I disagree... Funny story actually what happend to Clem actually happened to me.. My dog bit my arm over some food tha… moret he buried that i had no idea about.. went to pat him and then CRUNCH!.. i had to be careful and tame him after that but its just how dogs are.. they are protective over food and their instincts kick in.
He crunched me and held on for a few seconds seconds and let go, The dog in the game was a former pet that was starved and looked screwed up. Keep in mind the dog that bit me was a 60kilo Rotweiller that could of done a lot worse.. With those dogs you have to feed them a specific way.. dogs are unpredictable when food is around.. the dog i owned was a dominant breed that doesn't like to be fucked with, these aren't Chihuahuas.
I always put the food in the bowl then back away because he is protective over it... When i got bit it was an accident since i didn't know he had buried food right under him.
Its funny nearly every person that has an avatar of Carley seems to be an idiot.. the OP and you..
Oh really? Did your dog also try to kill you?
How did you get him off? Did you punch him in the face 5 times like Clem did? Did you kick the shit out of him when he lunged at you to while going in for the kill?
Pretty dumb to keep that dog. lol
The dog wasn't exactly socialized when Clem found him.
It's clear that the dog was starved and acted on pure instinct when the food was being taken away/kept from him.
Taking food from a food aggressive or hungry dog may make it growl and/or snap at you, but in no way would it illicit the lunge and attempt-to… more-kill reaction we saw from a socialized dog.
The OP is correct in that the dog exhibited some unbelievable behavior. Especially if your Clem took time to socialize with the dog, as mine did.
(The OP is wrong to label the dog as "bipolar," though. Manic depressives are people, not dogs, and they don't suddenly try to murder people for food, either.)
This dog wasn't untrained. It was clearly socialized. And how often have you had a dog lunge at your neck because you tried to take its food… more?
Yeah, Clem getting bit is believable, but the dog trying to all out kill her while ignoring the food is unbelievable.
It gave enough warning. Was it only me who thought "leave it Clem"? Anything will fight when you try to take away their means to survival. It's either you or them, I didn't think Clem would have enough energy to fight a dog. We've seen it with humans too.
It was realistic in the sense that the dog became aggressive and lunged for her when Clem took the food away but I feel it was unrealistic that the dog continued to maul her even after she had to drop the can. The dog would have let her go and gone straight for the can to eat as it was no longer in her possession, the dog could have easily ran off with the can and eaten in relative safety (away from Clem).
The only reason I can think of they TT would get the dog to continue and try and kill her is for there to be a reason for Clem to kill the dog at the end of that scene. Thats the most dramatic that scene could have been, maybe TT thought that despite the bite mark, that the dog just running off would have been pretty boring for the story.
I had a pet dog that was abused before I got her. She was nice and playful, but mean and vicious when it came time to feed her. If she was starving, I could definitely see her trying to kill me for the food.
Starving dogs kill people all the time. Google "starving dog kills owner" for examples. And those examples are just of a starving dog killing their own owner. Clementine was just a person Sam had known for a few minutes. Once a starving dog gets the taste of blood, their wild animal instincts kick in, and the pet dog traits go out the window.
If you try to take away food that a dog considers to be his, then he may attack, this is a fact. Not try and kill a person, but at least attac… morek and maybe bite him. The dog was also starving, once he tasted blood he tried to kill Clementine and would have eaten her too. I guess you could explain it that way and it kind of makes sense, but only out of context.
These were the course of actions: The starving dog enjoys playing frisbee (which is of course bullshit). You could pet the dog which means that the dog accepted her. The dog begs for food instead of just taking it, which makes Clementine the alpha (typical pack behavior). Clementine drops the can of beans and trys to pick it up again - The dog freaks out any then and trys to kill her. This is indeed a WTF moment. If you view the situation as a whole and in context, then it doesn't really make sense for the dog to react like he did if you decide to share the food. Not to mention that the do… [view original content]
Yeah, I bet he played frisbee with his dog and pet him until the dog freaked completely out and just ate him. lol
If you shared your food then the dog should not have attacked. But what is to expect from terrible and uninspiring writing. The season is going straight down the drain.
I had a pet dog that was abused before I got her. She was nice and playful, but mean and vicious when it came time to feed her. If she was s… moretarving, I could definitely see her trying to kill me for the food.
Starving dogs kill people all the time. Google "starving dog kills owner" for examples. And those examples are just of a starving dog killing their own owner. Clementine was just a person Sam had known for a few minutes. Once a starving dog gets the taste of blood, their wild animal instincts kick in, and the pet dog traits go out the window.
Iv worked with dogs at my local pet pen back in my late teens. And we had a few starving dogs (no stomach, chest fully exposed). And they literally had no energy to fight like the one we see in TWD, at worst they would do a growl but lay down and stay down.
At best i'd say it was hungry as in going couple of days without food, tho considering its not a wild dog and actually a pet im suprised it attacked like it did. Dogs growing up with a family will usually growl as a warning first (several times befor an attack), at worst snap at you if you go near its food, hungry or not. Full on rabid attack? Seems unlikely, and more of chance to create a dramatic shock for us playing. And well, it worked.
If you recall, the dog did not like Clem petting it. Go back and play that scene and you'll see that.
And I'll ask again, since you are saying the same thing over and over and now I am curious. Whats so uninspiring and oh-so-horrible about the writing in your opinion?
Yeah, I bet he played frisbee with his dog and pet him until the dog freaked completely out and just ate him. lol
If you shared your food t… morehen the dog should not have attacked. But what is to expect from terrible and uninspiring writing. The season is going straight down the drain.
If you recall, the dog did not like Clem petting it. Go back and play that scene and you'll see that.
And I'll ask again, since you are say… moreing the same thing over and over and now I am curious. Whats so uninspiring and oh-so-horrible about the writing in your opinion?
The dog was alone, scavenging for food for up to 2 years. In fact, my first thought when I found it was that it might be feral. Turns out it was. Clem took its food away, so she was a threat, and it tried to deal with that threat.
This dog wasn't untrained. It was clearly socialized. And how often have you had a dog lunge at your neck because you tried to take its food… more?
Yeah, Clem getting bit is believable, but the dog trying to all out kill her while ignoring the food is unbelievable.
There are dogs killing family members, that have been in their family for years. It does happen. In this very world, we live in. And this dog knew Clem for an hour or so.
I do have some minor issues with this episode, but it being completely unrealistic isn't one of them.
Yeah, I bet he played frisbee with his dog and pet him until the dog freaked completely out and just ate him. lol
If you shared your food t… morehen the dog should not have attacked. But what is to expect from terrible and uninspiring writing. The season is going straight down the drain.
There are dogs killing family members, that have been in their family for years. It does happen. In this very world, we live in. And this dog … moreknew Clem for an hour or so.
I do have some minor issues with this episode, but it being completely unrealistic isn't one of them.
Alright since you post in every thread how lazy and uninspired the writing is, elaborate.
What is uninspired? Why is it lazy?
And here in this thread it was certainly the point, that the dog's behaviour was supposedly unrealistic. So one points out that it isn't, and your response is "that's not the point"?
I have elaborated. Read my posts if you are interested.
Anyway, the dogs behavior is unrealistic, but not completely impossible. I mean, Lee could have also went completely psycho and just murdered Clementine because he had a bad day.
Alright since you post in every thread how lazy and uninspired the writing is, elaborate.
What is uninspired? Why is it lazy?
And here i… moren this thread it was certainly the point, that the dog's behaviour was supposedly unrealistic. So one points out that it isn't, and your response is "that's not the point"?
I have elaborated. Read my posts if you are interested.
Anyway, the dogs behavior is unrealistic, but not completely impossible. I mean, Lee could have also went completely psycho and just murdered Clementine because he had a bad day.
Sorry, but bring in another dog as companion so that season two could be just like season one? Season two is supposed to be different Otherwise you could just replay the first season. It's not about caring about/protecting someone. It's already long established that it's about "Who do you trust". So the season has a totally different subject and therefore is approached differently.
Go ahead and link me to whatever video your speaking of and I'll link you to one. I played the game and love it. 8D
Skip to about 3:30 secs were they give you the option to pet the dog. Clearly Clem noted that he did not like that all too much. So, yeah. I played. However, with all the complaints, you still haven't explained why the writing is so uninspiring and horrible. Sure you may have problem with it but you barely said why.
rofl, are you kidding? The dog did not only have no problem with being pet, he enjoyed it. Don't force me to link a youtube video as proof. ^^
You are the one who should probably try playing the game.
Go ahead and link me to whatever video your speaking of and I'll link you to one. I played the game and love it. 8D
Skip to about 3:30 … moresecs were they give you the option to pet the dog. Clearly Clem noted that he did not like that all too much. So, yeah. I played. However, with all the complaints, you still haven't explained why the writing is so uninspiring and horrible. Sure you may have problem with it but you barely said why.
I myself owned a dog for a few years and I never considered the dog's behaviour in this episode unrealistic. I actually think that many people simply can't handle having to kill him and therefore claim that he's bipolar.
(If there are any grammar or spelling errors in my post, I apologize, I only speak English as a secundary language.)
There are several factors in the Sam scene that make a mauling more likely:
1) Sam is obviously very hungry.
2) Sam has been without his family for some time based on the state of his family's camp, causing his domestic behaviours to erode.
3) Clementine is eleven, and slight of build. If Sam wanted more food than the can of beans alone she'd be relatively easy to overpower and eat.
4) Clementine is a relative stranger on what Sam would likely consider to be his family's territory.
The above factors don't really come into play until Clementine becomes a threat to his survival by coming between he and his food; you could say it's the trigger.
The most important fact here is that Sam had time to become more wild than your average domestic dog. It's rare for domestic dogs to fatally attack a human, but it's far more believable if the dog has had time to act on its own and develop its own routines.
I myself owned a dog for a few years and I never considered the dog's behaviour in this episode unrealistic. I actually think that many people… more simply can't handle having to kill him and therefore claim that he's bipolar.
(If there are any grammar or spelling errors in my post, I apologize, I only speak English as a secundary language.)
That's the thing. I can buy the dog biting Clementine. I can't buy it all out trying to kill her. Especially if Clementine was careful to determine its sociability. This was not a dog that was abused or a dog that had been a stray for most of its life. Well-socialized dogs, even ones that become strays, do not behave the way Sam does in Episode One.
No it didn't. Were we playing the same game? If you feed the dog immediately, it doesn't even growl before it attacks. There's no warning. The writers had the dog behave unrealistically for the sake of having a quicktime event.
It gave enough warning. Was it only me who thought "leave it Clem"? Anything will fight when you try to take away their means to survival. It'… mores either you or them, I didn't think Clem would have enough energy to fight a dog. We've seen it with humans too.
Socialization doesn't go away that quickly or easily. And dogs' instinct is to trust most humans; it's why they became human companions so early in human history. Look at the bodies. Those people weren't gone for more than a month. You think after a month, your dog wouldn't recognize a friendly human and remember behavioral training? If you do, you're underestimating your dog.
I'm not saying Clem's behavior wasn't dumb and shouldn't have gotten her snapped at/bit, but the full out attack is forced writing.
The dog wasn't exactly socialized when Clem found him.
It's clear that the dog was starved and acted on pure instinct when the food was being taken away/kept from him.
The dog was alone, scavenging for food for up to 2 years. In fact, my first thought when I found it was that it might be feral. Turns out it was. Clem took its food away, so she was a threat, and it tried to deal with that threat.
Do you even own a dog? Have you ever really interacted with a dog in a real life? That dogs behavior is very realistic. Try taking food from a untrained/starving dog. See what happens.
Look, the dog was not trying to kill her. It bit her to show that the food belonged to it. Clementine was obviously hurt and was trying to get it to let go, and in the process kicked it over the tent pegs. Seriously, what do you think a starving dog would do after so log if it was given food and then that food was taken away from it? It obviously hadn't eaten walkers (walker corpse nearby) because pretty much anything that decayed is identifiable by a dog as unsafe to eat. Therefore, when offered food, it started eating it, and when Clem took it away, it attacked. Sure, it could have run off after biting her, but Clementine is still meat, meat which a dog would decidedly prefer. You may think a dog is a reasonable figure, but they are animals, and as such should be treated with the care necessary, which Clementine did not.
And after snapping at you (somehow without growling at you first), did they ignore the food and begin trying to kill you? THAT'S the point at which people are finding the encounter unrealistic.
Clem might have gotten bit. She might have even deserved it. But getting attacked the way she did is unreal.
Yeah, we raised formerly abused dogs in my family. My St. Bernard was 80 lbs. when we found him, and when he was healthy again he was above 160. Food aggression is definitely something you have to be careful of.
But Clem's encounter with this dog isn't quite like the story you're telling, and the big issue is the dog does attack to kill her (after being very friendly and sociable if you do the interactions right). The dog will kill her if you fail the quicktime event.
This dog doesn't show signs of abuse. Judging by the bodies, it wasn't even on its own for more than a month. Clem fed the dog stupidly (I understand you can tease the dog, as well), and took away the food carelessly. But a socialized dog wouldn't kill someone for that. Growl? Definitely. Bite? Likely. Kill? I don't believe it.
Do you even own a dog?
He crunched me and held on for a few seconds seconds and let go, The dog in the game was a former pet that was starv… moreed and looked screwed up. Keep in mind the dog that bit me was a 60kilo Rotweiller that could of done a lot worse.. With those dogs you have to feed them a specific way.. dogs are unpredictable when food is around.. the dog i owned was a dominant breed that doesn't like to be fucked with, these aren't Chihuahuas.
I always put the food in the bowl then back away because he is protective over it... When i got bit it was an accident since i didn't know he had buried food right under him.
Its funny nearly every person that has an avatar of Carley seems to be an idiot.. the OP and you..
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He didn't bite her, he tried to kill for basically no reason.
Dogs are not as dumb as the author portrays them.
Yeah, but will he try to kill you? Nope.
It was bad and uninspired writing.
Oh really? Did your dog also try to kill you?
How did you get him off? Did you punch him in the face 5 times like Clem did? Did you kick the shit out of him when he lunged at you to while going in for the kill?
Pretty dumb to keep that dog. lol
Do you even own a dog?
He crunched me and held on for a few seconds seconds and let go, The dog in the game was a former pet that was starved and looked screwed up. Keep in mind the dog that bit me was a 60kilo Rotweiller that could of done a lot worse.. With those dogs you have to feed them a specific way.. dogs are unpredictable when food is around.. the dog i owned was a dominant breed that doesn't like to be fucked with, these aren't Chihuahuas.
I always put the food in the bowl then back away because he is protective over it... When i got bit it was an accident since i didn't know he had buried food right under him.
Its funny nearly every person that has an avatar of Carley seems to be an idiot.. the OP and you..
The dog wasn't exactly socialized when Clem found him.
It's clear that the dog was starved and acted on pure instinct when the food was being taken away/kept from him.
Again... starved of both food and human interaction. May have been domesticated once, but isn't anymore.
It gave enough warning. Was it only me who thought "leave it Clem"? Anything will fight when you try to take away their means to survival. It's either you or them, I didn't think Clem would have enough energy to fight a dog. We've seen it with humans too.
It was realistic in the sense that the dog became aggressive and lunged for her when Clem took the food away but I feel it was unrealistic that the dog continued to maul her even after she had to drop the can. The dog would have let her go and gone straight for the can to eat as it was no longer in her possession, the dog could have easily ran off with the can and eaten in relative safety (away from Clem).
The only reason I can think of they TT would get the dog to continue and try and kill her is for there to be a reason for Clem to kill the dog at the end of that scene. Thats the most dramatic that scene could have been, maybe TT thought that despite the bite mark, that the dog just running off would have been pretty boring for the story.
the dog wa starving and clem ook its food away its normal animal survival instinct altough it sill caught me by surprise
I had a pet dog that was abused before I got her. She was nice and playful, but mean and vicious when it came time to feed her. If she was starving, I could definitely see her trying to kill me for the food.
Starving dogs kill people all the time. Google "starving dog kills owner" for examples. And those examples are just of a starving dog killing their own owner. Clementine was just a person Sam had known for a few minutes. Once a starving dog gets the taste of blood, their wild animal instincts kick in, and the pet dog traits go out the window.
Jill..how old are you?
Yeah, I bet he played frisbee with his dog and pet him until the dog freaked completely out and just ate him. lol
If you shared your food then the dog should not have attacked. But what is to expect from terrible and uninspiring writing. The season is going straight down the drain.
Iv worked with dogs at my local pet pen back in my late teens. And we had a few starving dogs (no stomach, chest fully exposed). And they literally had no energy to fight like the one we see in TWD, at worst they would do a growl but lay down and stay down.
At best i'd say it was hungry as in going couple of days without food, tho considering its not a wild dog and actually a pet im suprised it attacked like it did. Dogs growing up with a family will usually growl as a warning first (several times befor an attack), at worst snap at you if you go near its food, hungry or not. Full on rabid attack? Seems unlikely, and more of chance to create a dramatic shock for us playing. And well, it worked.
If you recall, the dog did not like Clem petting it. Go back and play that scene and you'll see that.
And I'll ask again, since you are saying the same thing over and over and now I am curious. Whats so uninspiring and oh-so-horrible about the writing in your opinion?
rofl, are you kidding? The dog did not only have no problem with being pet, he enjoyed it. Don't force me to link a youtube video as proof. ^^
You are the one who should probably try playing the game.
The dog was alone, scavenging for food for up to 2 years. In fact, my first thought when I found it was that it might be feral. Turns out it was. Clem took its food away, so she was a threat, and it tried to deal with that threat.
There are dogs killing family members, that have been in their family for years. It does happen. In this very world, we live in. And this dog knew Clem for an hour or so.
I do have some minor issues with this episode, but it being completely unrealistic isn't one of them.
People kill people, dogs kill people. Nothing new.
You completely miss the point though.
Alright since you post in every thread how lazy and uninspired the writing is, elaborate.
What is uninspired? Why is it lazy?
And here in this thread it was certainly the point, that the dog's behaviour was supposedly unrealistic. So one points out that it isn't, and your response is "that's not the point"?
I have elaborated. Read my posts if you are interested.
Anyway, the dogs behavior is unrealistic, but not completely impossible. I mean, Lee could have also went completely psycho and just murdered Clementine because he had a bad day.
All I ever read is "uninspired", "lazy" and "down the drain". Get concrete.
edit: oh and of course the "dog is unreal" -> "dog being unreal is not the point"-routine
Save Sam!
http://www.telltalegames.com/community/discussion/54604/petition-save-sam
"That's fucking stupid, Ben"
Sorry, but bring in another dog as companion so that season two could be just like season one? Season two is supposed to be different Otherwise you could just replay the first season. It's not about caring about/protecting someone. It's already long established that it's about "Who do you trust". So the season has a totally different subject and therefore is approached differently.
Go ahead and link me to whatever video your speaking of and I'll link you to one. I played the game and love it. 8D
Skip to about 3:30 secs were they give you the option to pet the dog. Clearly Clem noted that he did not like that all too much. So, yeah. I played. However, with all the complaints, you still haven't explained why the writing is so uninspiring and horrible. Sure you may have problem with it but you barely said why.
Yeah, that was before they bonded. Clementine knew the dog for 20 seconds at that moment. lol
Go to 4:50. You can pet him as often as you want and he even pants with excitement/joy after the second time.
I myself owned a dog for a few years and I never considered the dog's behaviour in this episode unrealistic. I actually think that many people simply can't handle having to kill him and therefore claim that he's bipolar.
(If there are any grammar or spelling errors in my post, I apologize, I only speak English as a secundary language.)
It was just a dog. Hell, if I try to pet my dog, or take away his bowl while he's eating he instantly gets pissed off. It's instinct.
There are several factors in the Sam scene that make a mauling more likely:
1) Sam is obviously very hungry.
2) Sam has been without his family for some time based on the state of his family's camp, causing his domestic behaviours to erode.
3) Clementine is eleven, and slight of build. If Sam wanted more food than the can of beans alone she'd be relatively easy to overpower and eat.
4) Clementine is a relative stranger on what Sam would likely consider to be his family's territory.
The above factors don't really come into play until Clementine becomes a threat to his survival by coming between he and his food; you could say it's the trigger.
The most important fact here is that Sam had time to become more wild than your average domestic dog. It's rare for domestic dogs to fatally attack a human, but it's far more believable if the dog has had time to act on its own and develop its own routines.
Sorry, but you must have been a truly horrible trainer, then.
That's the thing. I can buy the dog biting Clementine. I can't buy it all out trying to kill her. Especially if Clementine was careful to determine its sociability. This was not a dog that was abused or a dog that had been a stray for most of its life. Well-socialized dogs, even ones that become strays, do not behave the way Sam does in Episode One.
No it didn't. Were we playing the same game? If you feed the dog immediately, it doesn't even growl before it attacks. There's no warning. The writers had the dog behave unrealistically for the sake of having a quicktime event.
Socialization doesn't go away that quickly or easily. And dogs' instinct is to trust most humans; it's why they became human companions so early in human history. Look at the bodies. Those people weren't gone for more than a month. You think after a month, your dog wouldn't recognize a friendly human and remember behavioral training? If you do, you're underestimating your dog.
I'm not saying Clem's behavior wasn't dumb and shouldn't have gotten her snapped at/bit, but the full out attack is forced writing.
Those bodies were NOT there for two years.
Or in that matter try touching/petting a dog as they eat. I've gotten snapped at by dogs when I wanted touch/pet them as a kid.
Look, the dog was not trying to kill her. It bit her to show that the food belonged to it. Clementine was obviously hurt and was trying to get it to let go, and in the process kicked it over the tent pegs. Seriously, what do you think a starving dog would do after so log if it was given food and then that food was taken away from it? It obviously hadn't eaten walkers (walker corpse nearby) because pretty much anything that decayed is identifiable by a dog as unsafe to eat. Therefore, when offered food, it started eating it, and when Clem took it away, it attacked. Sure, it could have run off after biting her, but Clementine is still meat, meat which a dog would decidedly prefer. You may think a dog is a reasonable figure, but they are animals, and as such should be treated with the care necessary, which Clementine did not.
And after snapping at you (somehow without growling at you first), did they ignore the food and begin trying to kill you? THAT'S the point at which people are finding the encounter unrealistic.
Clem might have gotten bit. She might have even deserved it. But getting attacked the way she did is unreal.
Yeah, we raised formerly abused dogs in my family. My St. Bernard was 80 lbs. when we found him, and when he was healthy again he was above 160. Food aggression is definitely something you have to be careful of.
But Clem's encounter with this dog isn't quite like the story you're telling, and the big issue is the dog does attack to kill her (after being very friendly and sociable if you do the interactions right). The dog will kill her if you fail the quicktime event.
This dog doesn't show signs of abuse. Judging by the bodies, it wasn't even on its own for more than a month. Clem fed the dog stupidly (I understand you can tease the dog, as well), and took away the food carelessly. But a socialized dog wouldn't kill someone for that. Growl? Definitely. Bite? Likely. Kill? I don't believe it.