Thing is in season 1 you had Lee and Clem and you liked both characters and when Lee died you were sad but you still had Clem. If Clem dies I'… morem not sure a character can replace her. Playing an adult won't be be as good, season 1 had you playing as an adult but you also had Clem to protect. You feel bad for Clem and want her to survive, you won't feel the same feelings/emotions as playing a adult.
Thing is in season 1 you had Lee and Clem and you liked both characters and when Lee died you were sad but you still had Clem. If Clem dies I'… morem not sure a character can replace her. Playing an adult won't be be as good, season 1 had you playing as an adult but you also had Clem to protect. You feel bad for Clem and want her to survive, you won't feel the same feelings/emotions as playing a adult.
Everyone dies at some point or another, it's life.
If we put this into "realistic" survival terms Clementine is still a weak and vulnerable… more target for both zombies and humans, if she wasn't the main character she would've probably died after she got separated from Lee and his group, it's all about survival of the fittest.
To witness Clementines permanent death (not non canon deaths) would be awful as she is such a great character, And i think lots of people woul… mored be angry at Telltale and it could cause backlash for them, When they do end her story i think it should be ambiguous.
Killing clem would serve no purpose in my opinion, in my opinion Lee died as he rushed to save clem and that was nice however
A. Killing th… moree protaganist would be preditcable
B. Having a non changeable canon death would be lame (what I really I want is changeable endings, even if clem dies in most of them. If she can survive in some thats fine.
However problem is if she survives people always wanna know what happens next, This is why most games end with.. and then they died otherwise people wanna a sequel.
I fully disagree, Lee and Clem cannot be replaced simply by using a parent/child type characters. That basically would just be a repetitive writing style, which would not be very attractive (essentially copying S1). There is ways you can develop others characters up, so it does not lead into a repetitive motion.
There's a difference between feeling like you have to protect a kid because it's a kid, and wanting to protect a kid because it's an awesome kid.
There's Amy from the game "Amy". And then there's Clementine. >drops mic<
Didn't the author go on record to say Rue's character was black? I wasn't sure if that was ever addressed by her. Also who cares what some people think regarding Rue. That's their problem and their way of thinking, and I pay no attention to people like that, because to me their opinion means crap and they usually are made to look stupid when they are exposed for their views.
How do you know that was what Telltale was doing with Clem? Did they say that, or are you assuming? They made Lee full black and I have yet to see or hear people say they were disappointed because Lee was black and it was hard to care about him because of it (I'm sure they're out there though) I've been hearing the opposite actually.
I can't predict the future nor look into the past, but I can be sure Telltale didn't didn't sit at the table saying "she can't be black, do you know the backlash we will get"? I think when creating her they wanted to do something different, something that usually isn't represented. You said you were mixed race in one of your posts, yet you complain about racism when you in a way are being represented here. You should be happy and thank them for doing this. Again you are looking for problems that aren't there.
[Something I just looked up on the wiki page]
I know sometimes the wiki pages can't be fully trusted, but if you look under Clem's profile read what it says about her race. Read what her mother is. She may be a lighter skinned woman but she is black it seems, so that would make Clem....
Now even if the page is inaccurate you still have a child from a mixed family, who plays as much of an important role as anyone. You have a strong character here who isn't the usual protagonist you see in most games. That says something.
I expect you to try and make an excuse from my post, but you really need to take a step back and look at the overall picture here. They tried something new and look at what happened, she is one of the most loved characters out there, and from my end I haven't heard one "I don't care for her because she's black or mixed race". All I hear is how much people love her, and her race never came into question. You seem to be letting the feelings of others get to you, when as I said before they shouldn't even register on your radar. THEY DON'T MATTER!!!
I will repeat myself again: stop being that guy, you should better than that.
they made clem lighted because they thought others would not care about her if she had dark skin. why do people act like they dont see it? loo… morek at the racism Rue from the hunger games got, funny thing is she looks alot like clem but have darker skin look her up
Isaac Clark.
But it makes you think, why is that usually the case? Is it maybe because we see ourselves as the villain, even if the protagonist did nothing recent to provoke the monster in the movie?
Listen to Dan. He smart.
Everyone dies. It's God's plan.
On a more serious note, I could see this game going for another 1-2 seasons after this--whether we're still… more playing her or not--with Clementine ending up bitten and dying somehow when she's in her 40's or 50's. And she would be considered one of the survivors. You just can't die of old age in that world anymore. Personally I'm at peace with it, as long as some characters(ones we like) survive at least one of any given season, and the others are given good deaths.
Robert Kirkman has said that Rick will eventually die at the end of the comic series.
I agree with most of what you said. I don't think telltale make her light or mixed because backlash but because telltale knew she would appeal too more people.
Didn't the author go on record to say Rue's character was black? I wasn't sure if that was ever addressed by her. Also who cares what some peo… moreple think regarding Rue. That's their problem and their way of thinking, and I pay no attention to people like that, because to me their opinion means crap and they usually are made to look stupid when they are exposed for their views.
How do you know that was what Telltale was doing with Clem? Did they say that, or are you assuming? They made Lee full black and I have yet to see or hear people say they were disappointed because Lee was black and it was hard to care about him because of it (I'm sure they're out there though) I've been hearing the opposite actually.
I can't predict the future nor look into the past, but I can be sure Telltale didn't didn't sit at the table saying "she can't be black, do you know the backlash we will get"? I think when creating her they wanted to do something different,… [view original content]
Well to me that's the problem of the person/people playing it. If they have issues caring about a black person ( or any non white character)in a game, then they have issues with people not like them in general in the real world. Sure it may be the "safe route" to the developers ( if that's the case) and sure they should not care what people think ( like the creators of that amazing cheerios commercial) but at the end of the day they at least did something no one else that I have seen in video games do.
Let me ask you this: what do you yourself see Clementine as?
I agree with most of what you said. I don't think telltale make her light or mixed because backlash but because telltale knew she would appeal too more people.
What I'm probably going to do is play the first two episodes just to see how much bullshit Telltale is prepared to dump on Clementine, then call it quits if I just can't take the gloom any more. There's too much warmth and sunshine outside my house for me to keep listening to Robert Kirkman's shallow nihilistic outlook on life.
Once the disc version is released at the end of the year, I MIGHT give the game another try, so I can at least play through the whole miserable experience in one sitting and get it over with, instead of having to wait a month or more just to see Clementine decapitated by some emaciated thug in episode 5.
I think plenty of people cried when Lee died. If you watched any gameplays on youtube like Pewdiepie he cried his eyes out. And Pewdiepie is not black.
shes a great character but clem is overrated too. people feels she the best because she a small girl not because the writing or acting but yes thats good, but its the protagonist kid
Saw clem as mixed but then i saw her parents photo. The father is black and the mother looks mixed black and white. So clem seems mostly black with some white.
Well to me that's the problem of the person/people playing it. If they have issues caring about a black person ( or any non white character)in… more a game, then they have issues with people not like them in general in the real world. Sure it may be the "safe route" to the developers ( if that's the case) and sure they should not care what people think ( like the creators of that amazing cheerios commercial) but at the end of the day they at least did something no one else that I have seen in video games do.
Let me ask you this: what do you yourself see Clementine as?
Saw clem as mixed but then i saw her parents photo. The father is black and the mother looks mixed black and white. So clem seems mostly black with some white.
Rabid dogs don't play frisbee, nor do they need a reason to attack. The dog only attacked her when he realized she had food, and he was starving. I think Clementine is safe from rabies.
Well let's think about the setting. Millions of people have died for the setting alone(in Robert Kirkman's words, the "zombie apocalypse that never ends"). Zombies roam the world in masses, and humanity is plunged into a dark age of violence, technological inferiority, and chaos. It seems more like people have to die because the world is still a much dangerous place at the current moment of the narrative than real life. An author always has to remain true to the setting and the narrative for the story to make sense and flow, and in horrors and tragedies, the hero almost has to die. A good story can be written with no one dying or staying dead at its conclusion, but whether they do or don't, it has to work. It has to flow. It has to make sense. Lee's death made sense.
In any Walking Dead story, the trope "Anyone Can Die" must be applied, because it's very true of the setting and very integral to it. Zombies can get you when you least expect it. In that moment, Lee would rather go looking for Clementine than deal with the issue before it became a hindrance to his efforts, and that made sense. It was also very touching to watch him cope with it. In the comics, things get even worse than what we've seen in Season 1. They explore and portray situations and themes to an extreme in the series.
Who knows, they might take her curtain call in a different direction. She might be walking off, having made her final decision, and later on people find her when she's no longer...well, Clementine, in any interpretation. In my opinion, a game like this that bases your end-game survival on the choices you make while playing should allow players to keep their character alive by making the hard decisions--the pragmatic ones, the ones that are less appealing than the other options, to the point where the player has done things most people wouldn't call their own personal canon. Now Clementine is different. I wouldn't mind seeing her die, not that I want to or that I wouldn't be sad, but she definitely should be allowed to live out her life, at least into her 30's.
Everyone does die and I am not saying she should be immortal. But it's one thing to die from natural causes and another to get killed in the p… morerocess, the first you complete your life the best you could and in the other you are cut before you can reach the maximum of your life. I am not saying she should be an old lady when she dies, what I was implying is that we don't need to see her die per se. Just make her reach the fullest capability of her character and then switch to a new one and if they have some other plans for her we will return back, you know? If they don't have any other plans it will be fictioned in our brains how she lives the rest of her life in this world and how she dies.
It's one thing to kill a main character for the sake of the plot (like Game of Thrones) and a whole other to kill it just to make a point that your game is sad and it should have a tearful ending experience. It seems to me (correct me if I am wrong) that mos… [view original content]
I'm not trying to ply your disposition with reverse psychology, relax. And I wasn't aware you had a fanbase. I thought people here would understand the reference.
C'mon man. I thought you were cool.
Sorry, am I "unhip" to you now? I really don't care if you're a fan of mine or not, I just state m… morey opinions here like everyone else.
And yeah, I've seen those webisodes. They don't make much sense either. How did the bicycle lady decay that fast?
So the dominate features are black in her, it just so happens she's light skinned. Like say Alicia Keys in skin color (maybe Alicia is darker) So there you have it you see her that way so what other people think doesn't matter, and as I said if the wiki is true she is a black little/young girl. People care about Clem and people love Clem and see here for more than her race.
I admit I enjoyed speaking with you, but I do hope you don't continue on like this. Know that at the end of the day we can't change peoples minds or thoughts. We just live the way we were raised and live by our own code/ way of thinking. Even if ignorance and racism remains, you have to be better than those people. By letting them get to you they are in fact winning, but when you ignore them and don't react to them, they end up looking foolish and alone.
Saw clem as mixed but then i saw her parents photo. The father is black and the mother looks mixed black and white. So clem seems mostly black with some white.
So the dominate features are black in her, it just so happens she's light skinned. Like say Alicia Keys in skin color (maybe Alicia is darker)… more So there you have it you see her that way so what other people think doesn't matter, and as I said if the wiki is true she is a black little/young girl. People care about Clem and people love Clem and see here for more than her race.
I admit I enjoyed speaking with you, but I do hope you don't continue on like this. Know that at the end of the day we can't change peoples minds or thoughts. We just live the way we were raised and live by our own code/ way of thinking. Even if ignorance and racism remains, you have to be better than those people. By letting them get to you they are in fact winning, but when you ignore them and don't react to them, they end up looking foolish and alone.
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That's not true, they can replace Lee and Clem with a new parent and child with great writing.
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I couldn't disagree more.
well its a game clem is not real
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Lee dead because bad writing. He could easily be in season 2.
I fully disagree, Lee and Clem cannot be replaced simply by using a parent/child type characters. That basically would just be a repetitive writing style, which would not be very attractive (essentially copying S1). There is ways you can develop others characters up, so it does not lead into a repetitive motion.
How did you come to the conclusion that Lee is dead because of bad writing?
No, it's no difference. A cute innocence kid is a cute innocence kid. Nothing more nothing less.
What are you talking about???
You should really go to Hollywood instead and post this peace of shit over there.
Didn't the author go on record to say Rue's character was black? I wasn't sure if that was ever addressed by her. Also who cares what some people think regarding Rue. That's their problem and their way of thinking, and I pay no attention to people like that, because to me their opinion means crap and they usually are made to look stupid when they are exposed for their views.
How do you know that was what Telltale was doing with Clem? Did they say that, or are you assuming? They made Lee full black and I have yet to see or hear people say they were disappointed because Lee was black and it was hard to care about him because of it (I'm sure they're out there though) I've been hearing the opposite actually.
I can't predict the future nor look into the past, but I can be sure Telltale didn't didn't sit at the table saying "she can't be black, do you know the backlash we will get"? I think when creating her they wanted to do something different, something that usually isn't represented. You said you were mixed race in one of your posts, yet you complain about racism when you in a way are being represented here. You should be happy and thank them for doing this. Again you are looking for problems that aren't there.
[Something I just looked up on the wiki page]
I know sometimes the wiki pages can't be fully trusted, but if you look under Clem's profile read what it says about her race. Read what her mother is. She may be a lighter skinned woman but she is black it seems, so that would make Clem....
Now even if the page is inaccurate you still have a child from a mixed family, who plays as much of an important role as anyone. You have a strong character here who isn't the usual protagonist you see in most games. That says something.
I expect you to try and make an excuse from my post, but you really need to take a step back and look at the overall picture here. They tried something new and look at what happened, she is one of the most loved characters out there, and from my end I haven't heard one "I don't care for her because she's black or mixed race". All I hear is how much people love her, and her race never came into question. You seem to be letting the feelings of others get to you, when as I said before they shouldn't even register on your radar. THEY DON'T MATTER!!!
I will repeat myself again: stop being that guy, you should better than that.
Im not racist,. i was just asking too see what people think!!
Yeah, but neither was lee. We still cried when he died. We were sad. Telltales speciality is making us get attached to characters.
I'd rather be eaten alive by a rabid bear than listen to these smartasses talk.
And if you die by being ripped to shreds by zombies? Is that God's plan too?
I agree with most of what you said. I don't think telltale make her light or mixed because backlash but because telltale knew she would appeal too more people.
And Lee isn't real aswell.
That's right, the protagonists in TWD are always 100% safe from death.
Isn't that right Lee? OH WAIT.
Well to me that's the problem of the person/people playing it. If they have issues caring about a black person ( or any non white character)in a game, then they have issues with people not like them in general in the real world. Sure it may be the "safe route" to the developers ( if that's the case) and sure they should not care what people think ( like the creators of that amazing cheerios commercial) but at the end of the day they at least did something no one else that I have seen in video games do.
Let me ask you this: what do you yourself see Clementine as?
Of course. Until they become annoying and the cuteness is a shadow of its former glory. In which there would be a clear difference.
What I'm probably going to do is play the first two episodes just to see how much bullshit Telltale is prepared to dump on Clementine, then call it quits if I just can't take the gloom any more. There's too much warmth and sunshine outside my house for me to keep listening to Robert Kirkman's shallow nihilistic outlook on life.
Once the disc version is released at the end of the year, I MIGHT give the game another try, so I can at least play through the whole miserable experience in one sitting and get it over with, instead of having to wait a month or more just to see Clementine decapitated by some emaciated thug in episode 5.
C'mon man. I thought you were cool.
It's a quote from one of the webisodes by AMC, right at the beginning.
It's okay, man. What I mean is it won't do any good to keep dwelling on the issue. Besides, Hollywood's come a long way from that.
As he TheGoodTheBadTheDead said it was for shock value. Not to be racist.
Sorry, am I "unhip" to you now? I really don't care if you're a fan of mine or not, I just state my opinions here like everyone else.
And yeah, I've seen those webisodes. They don't make much sense either. How did the bicycle lady decay that fast?
Most pointless argument ever.
Plenty of white people have died in this series.
Her dad was black and her mom was a lighter black color if I recall correctly.
I think plenty of people cried when Lee died. If you watched any gameplays on youtube like Pewdiepie he cried his eyes out. And Pewdiepie is not black.
People like her because she is a beast.
Saw clem as mixed but then i saw her parents photo. The father is black and the mother looks mixed black and white. So clem seems mostly black with some white.
no need to get upset, its only how i feel not you.
Does color of skin really matter for a game?... I don't understand why you keep on with this
clem is great and overrated at the same time. we dont have alot of good kids in games because they dont try alot.
Rabid dogs don't play frisbee, nor do they need a reason to attack. The dog only attacked her when he realized she had food, and he was starving. I think Clementine is safe from rabies.
Well let's think about the setting. Millions of people have died for the setting alone(in Robert Kirkman's words, the "zombie apocalypse that never ends"). Zombies roam the world in masses, and humanity is plunged into a dark age of violence, technological inferiority, and chaos. It seems more like people have to die because the world is still a much dangerous place at the current moment of the narrative than real life. An author always has to remain true to the setting and the narrative for the story to make sense and flow, and in horrors and tragedies, the hero almost has to die. A good story can be written with no one dying or staying dead at its conclusion, but whether they do or don't, it has to work. It has to flow. It has to make sense. Lee's death made sense.
In any Walking Dead story, the trope "Anyone Can Die" must be applied, because it's very true of the setting and very integral to it. Zombies can get you when you least expect it. In that moment, Lee would rather go looking for Clementine than deal with the issue before it became a hindrance to his efforts, and that made sense. It was also very touching to watch him cope with it. In the comics, things get even worse than what we've seen in Season 1. They explore and portray situations and themes to an extreme in the series.
Who knows, they might take her curtain call in a different direction. She might be walking off, having made her final decision, and later on people find her when she's no longer...well, Clementine, in any interpretation. In my opinion, a game like this that bases your end-game survival on the choices you make while playing should allow players to keep their character alive by making the hard decisions--the pragmatic ones, the ones that are less appealing than the other options, to the point where the player has done things most people wouldn't call their own personal canon. Now Clementine is different. I wouldn't mind seeing her die, not that I want to or that I wouldn't be sad, but she definitely should be allowed to live out her life, at least into her 30's.
I'm not trying to ply your disposition with reverse psychology, relax. And I wasn't aware you had a fanbase. I thought people here would understand the reference.
I dunno. Greater exposure to the elements?
Well. >cough< Maybe they should try a lot more often.
So the dominate features are black in her, it just so happens she's light skinned. Like say Alicia Keys in skin color (maybe Alicia is darker) So there you have it you see her that way so what other people think doesn't matter, and as I said if the wiki is true she is a black little/young girl. People care about Clem and people love Clem and see here for more than her race.
I admit I enjoyed speaking with you, but I do hope you don't continue on like this. Know that at the end of the day we can't change peoples minds or thoughts. We just live the way we were raised and live by our own code/ way of thinking. Even if ignorance and racism remains, you have to be better than those people. By letting them get to you they are in fact winning, but when you ignore them and don't react to them, they end up looking foolish and alone.
clem looks like zendaya, look her up, tell me what you think