Yeah, they overdid it, they were shooting for more shock value with Ms. Zombie Tomb Raider, aka. Clementine Croft. ^^
Anyway, stitching really hurts without anesthetics, no doubt about it, but what they did in that scene was completely unrealistic, i.e. they jumped the shark. Blood gushing everywhere and her screaming like crazy. Ridiculous. Didn't Clementine learn to be quiet to not attract any walkers? Oh no, she didn't, because the NEW writers (please bring back the old writers Telltale...) don't understand The Walking Dead and love to write uninspired bullshit.
When Lee cut off his hand, now that was well done and completely realistic. I could hardly bear to watch, gosh that was so freaky and so well done.
Besides TeamKennyAlways' complaints, mine is the VERY LONG STITCHING SCENE of Clementine's hands.. I dunno why but I think it takes around more or less 5 minutes to finished that scene.. It's too hard to watch..
that crazy how badass they made clem. i mean how did she take that all that pain, but its hard to go back on it now, because we know she can take alot of pain now.
Yeah, they overdid it, they were shooting for more shock value with Ms. Zombie Tomb Raider, aka. Clementine Croft. ^^
Anyway, stitching rea… morelly hurts without anesthetics, no doubt about it, but what they did in that scene was completely unrealistic, i.e. they jumped the shark. Blood gushing everywhere and her screaming like crazy. Ridiculous. Didn't Clementine learn to be quiet to not attract any walkers? Oh no, she didn't, because the NEW writers (please bring back the old writers Telltale...) don't understand The Walking Dead and love to write uninspired bullshit.
When Lee cut off his hand, now that was well done and completely realistic. I could hardly bear to watch, gosh that was so freaky and so well done.
There's also a downside in showing how "badass" Clem is. Season one was propelled by us vicariously feeling Lee's concern for Clem. That's what kept him going and what kept us going as well. Of course, there is no more Lee is season 2. Just Clem. So we have to be concerned for her without the middleman. Yet by showing how capable she is (moreso than the people she's met, who inexplicably interact with her like she's Steven Seagal or something) it kind of removes some of the rooting interest for the player. Do we honestly think there is anything she won't be able to handle at this point?
Also, unlike Lee from season one who was propelled by a need to protect Clementine, Clementine in Season two seems to have no real goal or motivations. Even her concern for Christa feels an afterthought. I think for an audience to really get engaged in a story, the story's characters have to have strong wishes and goals that the audience can empathize with. Unfortunately, the crew in season two seems to be rudderless. They all seem pretty okay with just farting around their house, being hen-pecked husbands and all that.
Yeah, they overdid it, they were shooting for more shock value with Ms. Zombie Tomb Raider, aka. Clementine Croft. ^^
Anyway, stitching rea… morelly hurts without anesthetics, no doubt about it, but what they did in that scene was completely unrealistic, i.e. they jumped the shark. Blood gushing everywhere and her screaming like crazy. Ridiculous. Didn't Clementine learn to be quiet to not attract any walkers? Oh no, she didn't, because the NEW writers (please bring back the old writers Telltale...) don't understand The Walking Dead and love to write uninspired bullshit.
When Lee cut off his hand, now that was well done and completely realistic. I could hardly bear to watch, gosh that was so freaky and so well done.
Yeah, Clementine needs to learn to always keep her weapon on her. I can forgive her for that though, 'cause even though Lee and eventually Chr… moreista and Omid teach her things, she's still a little kid. Christa and Omid are two lamebrains who had no business looking after a little girl. Lee would have never said, "Uhh...just go in that bathroom." He'd have gone in there first, checked it out, THEN let her go in. And he would have been standing right outside that door.
You just said how much it hurts to stitch without anesthetics, so its a no wonder she made some noise during that scene, even if she knew to be quiet. Its not like she was screaming for the hell of it.
this "zomg new writers are bad" has become a ridiculous meme already. The first episode was very solid.
Yeah, they overdid it, they were shooting for more shock value with Ms. Zombie Tomb Raider, aka. Clementine Croft. ^^
Anyway, stitching rea… morelly hurts without anesthetics, no doubt about it, but what they did in that scene was completely unrealistic, i.e. they jumped the shark. Blood gushing everywhere and her screaming like crazy. Ridiculous. Didn't Clementine learn to be quiet to not attract any walkers? Oh no, she didn't, because the NEW writers (please bring back the old writers Telltale...) don't understand The Walking Dead and love to write uninspired bullshit.
When Lee cut off his hand, now that was well done and completely realistic. I could hardly bear to watch, gosh that was so freaky and so well done.
I'd say give it another episode before determining that for yourself. Coming off the emotional high that was Episode 5, there's no way anythin… moreg was going to be able to match that. Give Telltale, and yourself, the opportunity to get to know these new characters. Maybe you end up getting as attached and invested in them as you did with the characters in Season 1.
Of course, if you really feel this way, no words of mine can change your mind.
They weren't lamebrains (which is an ableist slur btw, so let's abstain from that). They just were confident in Clem's capabilities.
I really am curious why Omid didn't have his weapon on him, though. Plot, I guess.
That dog was a good dog at one point. It wouldn't have let her pet him or play with him had it been an asshole. It was starving, and that's wh… moreat set it off and turned him completely feral. What kind of heartless person would NOT feel bad at the fact you had to kill a dog, or even more, why would you let it suffer?
It just happened to quickly for my likening, it was alright for Carley/Doug but it's getting old fast.
Yep, it's what I thought you're butthurt. You're mad cause you didn't like it. Doesn't mean it's bad writing.
Everything you typed is basically saying that you didn't like the episode because stuff happened that you didn't want to happen. You don't prove it's bad writing at all.
Why 'should' she, I don't think she is, although we didn't see her death we heard it. Her screams were cut off as soon as the gun shot fired. I mean, it could have got her on the side of her body, like where Kenny got shot. But I doubt it.
Everything you typed is basically saying that you didn't like the episode because stuff happened that you didn't want to happen. You don't prove it's bad writing at all.
So basically what you're saying is that when Clem got bit by the dog, you'd rather have her wandering around the forest, with an injured arm, lose consciousness and then get devoured by zombies? I can imagine the rage on the forums.
I'm Not On about the Group bit, Not to Mention I only Knew that was going to Happen after the Dog had attacked.
Before the Dog was there Be… moreing a Dog Not attacking Clem, I had no idea the bite would even happen. But After the Dog Bit, I knew a Group would assume she was bitten.
Honestly, In the whole I do like the episode. It was just one little nitpick.
Oh, stop it, sheesh. You were all excited about the episode a few weeks back, then cracked and started moaning about TTG. It was clearly to be expected that there is going to be a largish time jump. Look at the screenshots we got. You can clearly see that Clem is older by at least a year, compared to the end of S1E5.
Yeah, and not even half of Rick's group in the TV-series would survive 16 months... I'm shocked how Clem and Christa made it by themselves wit… moreh all of the dangers and twisted stuff lurking around out there. Heck, see what happend to Lee's group in only three months. And see what kind of messed up stuff Clem gets involved in after she get separated from Christa.
The time jump was all bad writing and I pray for it to not repeat.
Hmm actually, I think there was some bonding but eventually survival instincts override whatever bonding there is - not that it's surprising since Sam and Clem just met and the bond can't be that strong yet. Sam is a starving dog, and remember that Clementine basically snatched back the can of beans, which could have sent the wrong message to it, resulting in it attacking Clem.
So basically what you're saying is that when Clem got bit by the dog, you'd rather have her wandering around the forest, with an injured arm, lose consciousness and then get devoured by zombies? I can imagine the rage on the forums.
Firstly stop talking about Chirsta and the baby. You people are like little kids, you need every little thing told to you or you don't understand. SHE LOST IT!!!!! plain and simple. secondly the time skip was needed or we wouldn't have a story because clem would be able to do anything. The characters are fine, you just haven't gotten to know them and how they connect to a bigger plot. i feel this first episode was better than the first episode of season 1. Now season 1 episode 2 was amazing il find it hard for telltale to top that but il enjoy it all the same
The episode really needed some comedic relief. It was just DARK DARK DEPRESSING MOAR DARK. It gets kinda old. Also I wanted a moment where we get to interact with the characters and get to know them a bit more. I expected us to be able to walk around the house in the morning after the shed fiasco, talk to the new characters and just chill for a little.
Otherwise I loved the episode. Oh and it should've been longer too.
I think it's also a message. As with the dog, you can't trust survivors just because they're nice at first. You have to be cautious, no matter how nice they seem. Readers of the comics will know this especially.
theres some points where i think you're right.. But i think the part about the dog was cool, because ofcourse most people choose to be nice an… mored feed the dog, and an 11 year old would probably also do that, and then it attacks.. well it had been starving too. it's not a cute little dog like before the apocalypse. It was really a great surprise moment for me, and i think it was a great idea.
well you are right the start was pretty rough you really lost everything and then the kenny guy but im sure the rest of the season is ginna be awsome(at least i hope)
"IMO Season 2 Episode 1 was badly written, it starts with Omid's death. It just seemed to be for shock value only. It just happened to quickly for my likening, it was alright for Carley/Doug but it's getting old fast."
I agree, it was a shock and kinda annoyed me with Omid's immediate death but over time i got over it and we have to accept that TTG are going to eventually kill off likeable characters, same as if it were happening in real life, these things would happen.
"Then there's Christa's baby, there is no explanation of what happened to it, I was disappointed that it was not mentioned ever again."
I wanted to know what happened to her baby too but don't worry, give it time. I'm certain it will be revealed later in the season.
"The time skip seems too large. The time skips in episode 1 were done really well but this... Wasn't. The only purpose of the time skip was to make Clem a lot older so she could handle herself better. Omid and Christa dying, if Christa's dead, just seem to be the purpose of getting Clem on her own."
Personally i have no problem with the time skip. I'm convinced Christa isn't dead but yes it was a way of getting Clem on her own so the new characters could be introduced.
"Sam, the dog. Introducing him and then killing him off in the same episode just didn't seem right. I would have liked it if they had bonded and that he lasted longer. I'm noticing a theme of killing dogs, episode 4 the dog in the grave, 400 Days the eaten puppy, and now Sam."
You make a good point but you know that this is TTG's way of making us feel bad/cry. I agree though, i would have liked the dog to have stayed with Clem a while
"The new group are uninteresting, the majority of them are just complete assholes. I would pick the drugstore/Motor Inn group over them any day. They are just bad characters."
I would pick the season 1 characters too but again, give them some time! So far Luke is likeable, so is Pete (although he's not going to survive as we know).
"And then there's Nick. I feel like the only purpose of creating him was to make him as a Kenny look-a-like for the purpose of trolling the Kenny fans. If telltale bring Kenny back only to kill him off moments later just like Omid then I will be very disappointed."
I agree 100% with you.
"EDIT: The choice between Nick and Pete seems worthless. If you save Pete then Nick runs off into the forest, there for he probably survived. But if you save Nick then Pete flat out dies from several walkers eating him alive. That's not how the choice should work, either one or the other should die, not have both survive based on one choice. That IMO again, btw."
Why can't they both survive? Even if Pete is short lived? It's a different idea and im interested to see where they go with this.
what the hell dude, that's what the forums are for: to talk about this, to critique, to praise, to suggest how things could be improved or have been done differently and feedback in general. If you dont like to hear any of that, dont read the fucking comments or be on the forum.
Sure it is. You are buying something you expect to enjoy, would you rather have bought something that is going to be good and proves it right off the bat, or buy something with 'rust' that doesn't have anything to show for itself before you take it home?
You took the worlds out of my mouth.
The 16 months time jump... It kind of took away my The Walking Dead feeling.
No more jumps in time Telltale!
I hope you take notice of this @puzzlebox
the time skip aged clem, brought the story up to speed with 400 days, and gave clem/christa 16 months of experiences to draw off which clearly made clem a lot more capable than she ever was before. it served its purpose well. I wouldn't want to be playing as Clem 6 months post-Lee or anything because she'd still be a scared little kid.
I agree. The suprise element there combined with that dramatic decision was one of the best moments in the episode. TWD world is about survival. I think it was kinda nice to show that harsh truth like that, we're used to get hostile reaction from other humans, they try to rob others, kill them for their supplies etc. The dog did the same, it was hungry, it didn't want to share its food, his survival instinct triggered and it attacked Clementine. It was a disturbing scene but it was well written.
theres some points where i think you're right.. But i think the part about the dog was cool, because ofcourse most people choose to be nice an… mored feed the dog, and an 11 year old would probably also do that, and then it attacks.. well it had been starving too. it's not a cute little dog like before the apocalypse. It was really a great surprise moment for me, and i think it was a great idea.
The time change gap seems ridiculously too big.Christa was caring towards Clem in the first season,then resents her or something.Blaming Clem for Omid's death?Not fair.We don't even get a chance to see old friends from the previous season.And then there's this Clementine who's supposed to survive on her own.
You could have introduced a new set of protagonists instead and during the middle of the season have them find the old survivors.
I too was wondering if there would be a dog helping Clementine.I thought it would be too cliche,but cute.And then she finds a dog.And the dogs bites her.And she kills it.All in the woods where you have to avoid zombies in a stupid quick-time "go left or go right or go down" event.Unlike the cool "Press Q and E repeatedly and hurry up dammit the walker's gonna kill him!" way of the first season.
Uninteresting,boring,annoying,dumb new survivors.The doctor,who is supposed to be the least prejudiced or nasty person in every movie and/or game is an idiotic hater who won't even think twice in putting Clem at the shed and not even treating her hand.And don't get me started with his "stay away from my daughter" speech.
Like the TeamKennyAlways said: Badly written.And there was also nothing to do in this episode other than sneak in and out of the house and take care of your arm.The rest was just "sit back and watch".
The mountainous setting of course didn't make it any better....
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Yeah, they overdid it, they were shooting for more shock value with Ms. Zombie Tomb Raider, aka. Clementine Croft. ^^
Anyway, stitching really hurts without anesthetics, no doubt about it, but what they did in that scene was completely unrealistic, i.e. they jumped the shark. Blood gushing everywhere and her screaming like crazy. Ridiculous. Didn't Clementine learn to be quiet to not attract any walkers? Oh no, she didn't, because the NEW writers (please bring back the old writers Telltale...) don't understand The Walking Dead and love to write uninspired bullshit.
When Lee cut off his hand, now that was well done and completely realistic. I could hardly bear to watch, gosh that was so freaky and so well done.
that crazy how badass they made clem. i mean how did she take that all that pain, but its hard to go back on it now, because we know she can take alot of pain now.
There's also a downside in showing how "badass" Clem is. Season one was propelled by us vicariously feeling Lee's concern for Clem. That's what kept him going and what kept us going as well. Of course, there is no more Lee is season 2. Just Clem. So we have to be concerned for her without the middleman. Yet by showing how capable she is (moreso than the people she's met, who inexplicably interact with her like she's Steven Seagal or something) it kind of removes some of the rooting interest for the player. Do we honestly think there is anything she won't be able to handle at this point?
Also, unlike Lee from season one who was propelled by a need to protect Clementine, Clementine in Season two seems to have no real goal or motivations. Even her concern for Christa feels an afterthought. I think for an audience to really get engaged in a story, the story's characters have to have strong wishes and goals that the audience can empathize with. Unfortunately, the crew in season two seems to be rudderless. They all seem pretty okay with just farting around their house, being hen-pecked husbands and all that.
They weren't lamebrains (which is an ableist slur btw, so let's abstain from that). They just were confident in Clem's capabilities.
I really am curious why Omid didn't have his weapon on him, though. Plot, I guess.
You just said how much it hurts to stitch without anesthetics, so its a no wonder she made some noise during that scene, even if she knew to be quiet. Its not like she was screaming for the hell of it.
this "zomg new writers are bad" has become a ridiculous meme already. The first episode was very solid.
Yeah, I love the people judging season 2 vs season 1 based on only 1 episode (and an episode that was quite good to boot)
I didn't say it to be an ableist slur, so please do not tell me what I can and cannot say.
Thank you.
And even though it wasn't a real dog, still got to me.
its still a great game
Nick Brenon, the same person who wrote TWD: 400 Days. If you didn't like 400 days, I see why you have some issues regarding TWD: S02EP01.
You're just way too negative and try to being up racism in everything.
Yep, it's what I thought you're butthurt. You're mad cause you didn't like it. Doesn't mean it's bad writing.
Opinions. That's all I'm saying.
Everything you typed is basically saying that you didn't like the episode because stuff happened that you didn't want to happen. You don't prove it's bad writing at all.
Why 'should' she, I don't think she is, although we didn't see her death we heard it. Her screams were cut off as soon as the gun shot fired. I mean, it could have got her on the side of her body, like where Kenny got shot. But I doubt it.
Yeah, people probably would go rape women in a Zombie Apocalypes while surviving for their life. But honestly, I wouldn't doubt it.
Maybe bad writing wasn't the best term to describe this episode.
How about..... Badly played out.
So basically what you're saying is that when Clem got bit by the dog, you'd rather have her wandering around the forest, with an injured arm, lose consciousness and then get devoured by zombies? I can imagine the rage on the forums.
Oh, stop it, sheesh. You were all excited about the episode a few weeks back, then cracked and started moaning about TTG. It was clearly to be expected that there is going to be a largish time jump. Look at the screenshots we got. You can clearly see that Clem is older by at least a year, compared to the end of S1E5.
Hmm actually, I think there was some bonding but eventually survival instincts override whatever bonding there is - not that it's surprising since Sam and Clem just met and the bond can't be that strong yet. Sam is a starving dog, and remember that Clementine basically snatched back the can of beans, which could have sent the wrong message to it, resulting in it attacking Clem.
Agreed. I think she miscarried too.
no. I'm saying I knew the second she was bitten the group would Assume a walker did it.
Firstly stop talking about Chirsta and the baby. You people are like little kids, you need every little thing told to you or you don't understand. SHE LOST IT!!!!! plain and simple. secondly the time skip was needed or we wouldn't have a story because clem would be able to do anything. The characters are fine, you just haven't gotten to know them and how they connect to a bigger plot. i feel this first episode was better than the first episode of season 1. Now season 1 episode 2 was amazing il find it hard for telltale to top that but il enjoy it all the same
The episode really needed some comedic relief. It was just DARK DARK DEPRESSING MOAR DARK. It gets kinda old. Also I wanted a moment where we get to interact with the characters and get to know them a bit more. I expected us to be able to walk around the house in the morning after the shed fiasco, talk to the new characters and just chill for a little.
Otherwise I loved the episode. Oh and it should've been longer too.
I think it's also a message. As with the dog, you can't trust survivors just because they're nice at first. You have to be cautious, no matter how nice they seem. Readers of the comics will know this especially.
well you are right the start was pretty rough you really lost everything and then the kenny guy but im sure the rest of the season is ginna be awsome(at least i hope)
"IMO Season 2 Episode 1 was badly written, it starts with Omid's death. It just seemed to be for shock value only. It just happened to quickly for my likening, it was alright for Carley/Doug but it's getting old fast."
I agree, it was a shock and kinda annoyed me with Omid's immediate death but over time i got over it and we have to accept that TTG are going to eventually kill off likeable characters, same as if it were happening in real life, these things would happen.
"Then there's Christa's baby, there is no explanation of what happened to it, I was disappointed that it was not mentioned ever again."
I wanted to know what happened to her baby too but don't worry, give it time. I'm certain it will be revealed later in the season.
"The time skip seems too large. The time skips in episode 1 were done really well but this... Wasn't. The only purpose of the time skip was to make Clem a lot older so she could handle herself better. Omid and Christa dying, if Christa's dead, just seem to be the purpose of getting Clem on her own."
Personally i have no problem with the time skip. I'm convinced Christa isn't dead but yes it was a way of getting Clem on her own so the new characters could be introduced.
"Sam, the dog. Introducing him and then killing him off in the same episode just didn't seem right. I would have liked it if they had bonded and that he lasted longer. I'm noticing a theme of killing dogs, episode 4 the dog in the grave, 400 Days the eaten puppy, and now Sam."
You make a good point but you know that this is TTG's way of making us feel bad/cry. I agree though, i would have liked the dog to have stayed with Clem a while
"The new group are uninteresting, the majority of them are just complete assholes. I would pick the drugstore/Motor Inn group over them any day. They are just bad characters."
I would pick the season 1 characters too but again, give them some time! So far Luke is likeable, so is Pete (although he's not going to survive as we know).
"And then there's Nick. I feel like the only purpose of creating him was to make him as a Kenny look-a-like for the purpose of trolling the Kenny fans. If telltale bring Kenny back only to kill him off moments later just like Omid then I will be very disappointed."
I agree 100% with you.
"EDIT: The choice between Nick and Pete seems worthless. If you save Pete then Nick runs off into the forest, there for he probably survived. But if you save Nick then Pete flat out dies from several walkers eating him alive. That's not how the choice should work, either one or the other should die, not have both survive based on one choice. That IMO again, btw."
Why can't they both survive? Even if Pete is short lived? It's a different idea and im interested to see where they go with this.
what the hell dude, that's what the forums are for: to talk about this, to critique, to praise, to suggest how things could be improved or have been done differently and feedback in general. If you dont like to hear any of that, dont read the fucking comments or be on the forum.
Its not the same thing.
I really hope TT devs are reading this thread.
But they are probably not.
I really hoped people would wait a few more episodes before judging the game so critically.
First impressions are everything. A brand new car is rusty on the lot, going to pick that over one that isn't?
That is nowhere near the same thing.
Sure it is. You are buying something you expect to enjoy, would you rather have bought something that is going to be good and proves it right off the bat, or buy something with 'rust' that doesn't have anything to show for itself before you take it home?
What do you mean it's not the same thing? Never said it was, but the same person wrote 400 days.
Time jump was necessary to make Clementine a little older, thus a little more capable on her own, without Omid and Christa.
the time skip aged clem, brought the story up to speed with 400 days, and gave clem/christa 16 months of experiences to draw off which clearly made clem a lot more capable than she ever was before. it served its purpose well. I wouldn't want to be playing as Clem 6 months post-Lee or anything because she'd still be a scared little kid.
I agree. The suprise element there combined with that dramatic decision was one of the best moments in the episode. TWD world is about survival. I think it was kinda nice to show that harsh truth like that, we're used to get hostile reaction from other humans, they try to rob others, kill them for their supplies etc. The dog did the same, it was hungry, it didn't want to share its food, his survival instinct triggered and it attacked Clementine. It was a disturbing scene but it was well written.
I totally agree with the poster of the thread.
The time change gap seems ridiculously too big.Christa was caring towards Clem in the first season,then resents her or something.Blaming Clem for Omid's death?Not fair.We don't even get a chance to see old friends from the previous season.And then there's this Clementine who's supposed to survive on her own.
You could have introduced a new set of protagonists instead and during the middle of the season have them find the old survivors.
I too was wondering if there would be a dog helping Clementine.I thought it would be too cliche,but cute.And then she finds a dog.And the dogs bites her.And she kills it.All in the woods where you have to avoid zombies in a stupid quick-time "go left or go right or go down" event.Unlike the cool "Press Q and E repeatedly and hurry up dammit the walker's gonna kill him!" way of the first season.
Uninteresting,boring,annoying,dumb new survivors.The doctor,who is supposed to be the least prejudiced or nasty person in every movie and/or game is an idiotic hater who won't even think twice in putting Clem at the shed and not even treating her hand.And don't get me started with his "stay away from my daughter" speech.
Like the TeamKennyAlways said: Badly written.And there was also nothing to do in this episode other than sneak in and out of the house and take care of your arm.The rest was just "sit back and watch".
The mountainous setting of course didn't make it any better....
The Season 1 Episode 1 was epic.It was fantastic.And even 400 Days worst episode is better than Season 2's episode 1 :S