Don't matter if she hits walkers over and over. She killing them easy for a little girl. why would you have people take care of her when she can do all that? Shes "badass" for healing that bite on her arm without passing out. Could a real little girl do that? No.
I respectfully disagree on the "bad ass" thing. Clem has to hit things over and over to kill them. Not like Lee at all. Lee could bust some zo… morembie ass quickly and ruthlessly. Clem is always being grabbed, struggling, and it takes her a long time to kill stuff. You really can't compare the two. Also, I played a fairly polite young kid throughout the game. It gives you the option to be ruthless (which you don't have to take), however, and it makes sense. Clem has been exposed to a lot of ruthlessness and it isn't stopping. She should be picking some up along the way. Also 16 months is a long time. I know a guy who was still dating girls a year ago. A lot can change in a year. Especially when you do not have television, movies, radio, or other joys to distract you. Nope, you only have each other and a lot of each other. A child would pick up a lot of social behaviors and other behaviors in that 16 months.
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Don't matter if she hits walkers over and over. She killing them easy for a little girl. why would you have people take care of her when she c… morean do all that? Shes "badass" for healing that bite on her arm without passing out. Could a real little girl do that? No.
Don't matter if she hits walkers over and over. She killing them easy for a little girl. why would you have people take care of her when she c… morean do all that? Shes "badass" for healing that bite on her arm without passing out. Could a real little girl do that? No.
I would agree if the writing was only lackluster. Dull writing can be improved upon in the following episodes.
Sadly, the writing is also j… moreust absolutely ridiculous and completely illogical in most scenes of the second season. You can't change that either, it will always be there like a thorn in your side.
Well, I'll throw my two cents in here...
Clem is not an incredible hand to hand fighter. She squirms her way away from that guy and bites his finger. I don’t think it’s difficult for even a regular 11 year old to do that let alone one who’s been living outdoors an off the land for the last almost two years. The closest comparison that comes to mind for me is find a kid that grew up on a working farm. Don’t underestimate how strong and capable you could become from 16 months of hard, intensive days spent surviving. As for grabbing for the nearest item and using it as a weapon- isn’t that just instinct that anyone would do? And people struggle with walkers when they’re caught by a group of them or they’re jumped by surprise. They’re slow and shambling otherwise, I don’t think Clem being able to push one back a few feet with a broom handle or rake or whatever it was is a stretch either. And it takes her multiple hits on both walkers she kills to actually kill them- a nod that she isn’t quite that strong yet.
I will grant you that she’s become darker so far this season but it’s a survival mechanism. No, that’s not how Lee taught her… but we also don’t know what a bitter, jaded, depressed, angry at the world Christa might have taught her in the last 16 months either. Her innocence is leaving and that may upset some people but it’s also probably somewhat realistic. I hope she doesn’t turn into a real conniving bitch but maybe we’ll have a say in that.
I’ll also grant that the first episode seemed very “let’s get you from point A to point B” to set up the rest of the series and I didn’t love that but if the rest of the season is better I’m willing to let the first episode be about the setup. As you said, the episode does end with a lot of questions but I think that was the point. I can almost guarantee you we’ll find out the answers to all of these questions.
As for there being a main quest? Well, we’ll see about that. Season 1 had a real easy setup for the quest “let’s get to Savannah to look for my parents,” it also had an easy setup by bringing Lee and Clem together and establishing their relationship. This season was trickier for them and I think we should reserve judgment until we see what episode 2 brings us. I’d also say you can’t judge the characters yet, we’ve only really seen them in a one-dimensional way. I’d expect the game to open up a lot more after this first episode which I’m guessing was all about setting up the rest of the season.
Even in season 1 you didn’t really “control the game,” you just control how you got there. When you saved someone over another person that person still died eventually. You couldn’t NOT do certain things. Make no mistake this game gives us choices but it just slightly changes the story as things go on, it doesn’t really change the game. There’s still a beginning and an end and we just get to choose how we get there and who’s along for the ride.
I would expect the next episode to be better and I think we all need to have a bit more patience with it. We’ve barely met the new characters and barely touched on a lot of issues that I am confident will be explored later. Just chill back and let it happen.
I disagree. For all Clem knew the scavenger already held a gun. I agree though we should've been allowed to take the gun with us. Even if it still killed Omid we'd at least keep the illusion of choice
Clementine could have just run for her gun when the scavenger slooowly entered the bathroom (normal reaction, she was like 1-2 meters away). B… moreut Telltale really wanted to kill off Omid and created some badly written bullshit to get rid of him. Uninspired writing at it's best!
I also like how Clementine can hear somebody enter the bathroom without any problem. The scavenger was completely deaf and couldn't hear Omid enter though. ^^
Season 2 writing at it's best. rofl.
i don't think that Clementine is a badass at all i just see a little girl trying her best to survive, it doesn't show her hunting and looking for zombies to kill for fun, she is very much a vulnerable little girl i don't really see her fighting i see her trying her best to get away when she is being attack like being attack by a adult(bandit) or a walker she doesn't have much strength but a kick and a bite on their hand can still hurt even if it's from a little girl, if there is a object nearby anyone would use it to protect themselves or others they love even if it's a child it's common sense, she is only protecting herself to survive...
She was going to die in that forest if it wasn't those two men who rescued her (Pete and Luke) she was in complete shock was barely moving the walker would have eaten her for sure if it wasn't for the rescue, with the dog issue she had to kill it (if you chose that) because it was dying and so much in pain you would kill the dog to put it out of it's misery and the look on Clementine's face she was so sad doing it.
I believe she still keeps her caring nature towards others very much, the experience of living in this post apocalypse dangerous world it has mess up her childhood (in a way like no more playing with dolls and being a normal kid) but that goes for every child in this post Apocalypse zombie world they now live in, i suppose all children will be teach how to survive. I don't believe her character has changed at all but she has grown to become stronger in a sense not to be scared anymore and face the reality of survival or she will die. I do feel really sad that she is all alone and a very vulnerable little girl she is, even if she try's very hard to survive if she is out there much longer by herself she won't survive.
I believe Clementine's story is very good and sad, i just hope in the later episodes she will find a adult just like Lee to protect her and keep her safe and someone who is nice just like him. If she is by herself even more down the track i don't think she be able to survive a little girl would not survive for that long by herself she was very lucky to survive by herself for that short time she needs a grown up/adult to protect her i believe that will come in the later episodes, judging by the photos of the episodes 3-4 you see adults with her so she is not alone.
This is completely why playing as clementine was a terrible idea.......
In my opinion TTG really screwed up the perfect writing opportunity in episode 1 of season 1 with lees brother. Lees brother should have survived so he could have been the playable character for season 2. It could have like lees bothers bloody coat was found and his parents were dead outside.
No one wants to play in TWD as a non badass and to be honest clementine was a child in season 1 grew up some by the end but should still be a child in season 2. It's getting not believable.,
My Clementine was polite and naive but also smart. Except she sort of blackmailed Rebecca at the end, but she doesn't intend to follow through on her subtle threat.
My Clementine just wants people to be nice to each other, and also her.
same here my Clementine is polite, naive and smart, my Clementine just wants people to be nice with each other and also her, if they get out of line i tell them but in a polite sort of way, when discussing to Pete about the pregnant women being mean to her i chose the lines i don't like her she is mean.
My Clementine was polite and naive but also smart. Except she sort of blackmailed Rebecca at the end, but she doesn't intend to follow through on her subtle threat.
My Clementine just wants people to be nice to each other, and also her.
The fact that we're opinionated about it, that we have such passion and interest in it means TTG is doing their job- we love this series and these characters and we feel a connection to them. Even if this season doesn't go as we want it to we are invested.
I agree in some things with you. In Season 1, when you met Kenny, you could talk to Kenny and Katjaa and learn some of their background and interact with the farm. Now, that is gone. Perhaps after Luke had finished talking to Clem, you shoulda've been able to walk around the cabin, interacting with stuff and talking to some of the characters, and then jump to the scene where Clem, Nick and Pete go fishing. Plus, making Episode 1 one hour and a half was just stupid, do they want to make the game end earlier? Plus, I've heard that Episode 2 is only gonna have 1 hour. Now, let's hope they don't make such an idiotic error.
Although, there is something I disagree with you. The fact that there is absolutely no goal. Well, let's think. In the beginning of the apocalypse, people tried to search for loved ones or look for somewhere safer. But it has pass nearly 2 years, and by now, there ain't much stuff to achieve, except survival.
By the way, here's a thumbs up for you, my dear gentleman, for such a gret review. Let us hope that TTG reads your words.
I agree, this first episode could've been better, having improvements on a little bit more of interaction with atleast some of the characters, and the bit of spoon feeding they do in the hand to hand combat. i.e : "pile of bricks right here bro.".. I can also say they might have hyped her strength up a little bit than it could've, but I still believe she could have handled the situations in a little bit more of a struggle, I also remember talking to a friend via Steam a few months ago, he claimed how amazing it would be to see Clementine basically as a comic Carl, I was totally disgusted with that opinion, I don't think she could be as hardened as she could be in this first episode, with all of those sassy dialogue options. So to sum it up, this first episode wasn't as good as it could've been, I mean killing off Omid like that, really upset me, I'm not saying it's bad writing, other than a bad choice on their end, pretty much to sum it up, the episode wasn't as good as it could've been, and we're all hoping "A House Divided." steps it up, redeeming the second season of it's flaws.
I don't think clementine was using sheer force at all. If you look at how Lee played, he had very little in the way of weapons at any given moment, it was his resourcefulness that made him pick up stuff that could be useful. Clementine, on the other hand, is a scrapper, and she can't fight with a walker by herself, so any damage done has to be from a makeshift weapon. The rock was incidental, she picked it up and threw it, and it didn't serve any real purpose. How is a can a weapon? A brick is like a rock, it makes sense for her to grab it (she can't punch the walker), knife was a plot point to open the can of food, she never uses it as a weapon, the hammer was used for plenty of stuff before being used as a weapon, a rake is reasonable thing to find in a shed, etc. If you look at this, it makes sense. Obviously she would need to grab something to use as a weapon.
My point is, you cannot call her some sort of Rambo, because anyone in real life would struggle hard in life or death scenarios. She has to smack people over and over to get away, she doesn't just OHKO stuff.In fact, Season one had way more clumsiness than what was real. The way Travis died is a prime example (if you cut the teacher's leg off) and shows how stupid people were in Season 1. Clementine does not make mistakes like that, because she has lived with Christa long enough for her pragmatism to rub off on her. 2 years is a long time. She will have hardened. She has grown. She has seen all sorts of bad stuff. That is her life now. if you were in that situation, with a dog bite, you probable would have found a way to stitch it up, even if it hurt, and did you see how much she struggles? It's obviously not a gritty hero who's made of iron, it's a hardened girl trying to survive. She would have turned out closer to Sarah if not for Lee's and Omid's death, perhaps.
Now, onto what I agree with. First, Omid's death was shocking, but not nearly as much as before. There is enough tension and bleakness in the episode that nothing seems as shocking as before. However, this could be attributed to how we have grown to accept bad things more easily. Clementine left the gun while searching for the bottle. That was stupid, and perhaps unnecessary. I also agree with the lack of interaction with people; they need to pick up on that. It was one of the driving bits of the first game, being able to talk to people and learn who they were. Understand them, pick sides, make choices, that was good. This episode has barely any of that. A lot of those cliché scenes, where some drops something is also getting old. It happened in Season 1, enough, we don't need it here, too. Dropping the rags was unnecessary, the walker could have appeared without that and grabbed her leg anyway, would have been more abrupt. I agree about the anchor, bit obvious. People seem very shallow in personalities so far, too. It was annoying to have Pete and Nick search the bodies and not be able to talk with them. Maybe it wouldn't make sense, but it was still irritating. The music wasn't as good, either.
However, I must say that Season 1's Episode 1, while good, was similarly not nearly as good as the later ones. Episode 2 was great, 3 was as well, and while 4 dipped a little, 5 was amazing. I suspect since the writer has changed, it will take time and experience for the episodes to improve this season as well.
I think it's how you related to the first season that predicts how you'll relate to this one. If for you S1 was all about saving an adorable l… moreittle girl, then yeah, in S2 she's clearly not a little girl anymore
Well, they've already said that no one is going to replace Lee. So no, I did not expect the game to have a built-in daddy-simulator again, if that's what you're thinking. But I think that there's more gameplay potential when playing as a little girl than simply using sheer force and kill stuff. That's all I'm saying.
The scene with the scavengers at the camp actually starts really good. She sneaks through the bushes and distracts them by throwing a stone. Then she runs and hides and gets away one more time because she can take more paths than adults due to her small body size. THIS is how the game should've continued.
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Given the name 'A house Divided', I think TTG is going to pick up the whole 'morality, dialogue, and choices' in later episodes. I agree there wasn't enough of it in this one, but we have at least four more to go, so I think we should have a bit of faith. It's not like this episode was bad, right? It just was not what we expected. For all we know, there could be a bunch of payoffs next episode, so I'm keeping my hopes up. I liked the episode. It was far, far from perfect, but it was a good start, better than most.
OP and others. If you don't think it fits Clementine to be a baddie that threatens pregnant women, and call Nick a baby for not being able to shoot a deer - then don't play her like that. I chose "I'm a little girl" when talking to Rebecca, and "aww, that's sad" in response to Nick not killing the deer.
However I do think Telltale missed an oportunity for us to get know the group a little. It could have been something along the lines of Pete, saying "come talk to me when you are ready to go fishing with me and Nick". And then you would have some free roaming time were you could walk around and talk to each member of the group. Kinda like Lee always could, every time there was a little down time.
As horrible as it is, there have been militarizes/militias than have used "child soldiers" as young as 8-9 in combat. It's pretty terrifying how quickly kids can be stripped of their innocence and molded into hardened fighters. I say that to make the point that the environment plays a big role in a child's development. In TWD, we're talking about a world where civilization has fallen apart, almost everyone that you've ever loved or cared about is dead, and every day is a struggle to keep going (which ultimately is just delaying the inevitable). A week in this world would change a person, and after 16 months ... they might not even recognize themselves in the mirror. Throw in the traumatic things Clem has seen/been through specifically (Lee and Omid's deaths, being kidnapped, etc) and this is going to be a different girl than the one we knew.
Oh well... Since there has never been any zombie apocalypse in real life, no one can really tell how much (and how fast) that would really cha… morenge the personality and physical strength of a child.
I still think that this kind of transformation is not plausible for a lapse of 16 months, even under those circumstances.
Having said that, all of the other survivors have survived just as long as Clem, so I guess they should be hardened as well, don't you think? I would assume they've been through the same stuff like her, so I don't see why she should have any advantage over them.
There's a story, a plot, you're 'playing' it as it is written. I don't understand, why you make it such a big deal? A story does not have to be entirely to your liking, think of it as a movie or a TV show, the script is there, you either like the show/movie or not. Clem is deceitful/manipulative IF you decide to make her that way, don't choose those dialogue options so she won't act that way. For me she's still honest, good hearted BUT also a little more hardened compared to last season. Just remember, everyone plays her differently.
I don't think she's too strong (akin to an adult) but people can get stronger than they usually are in stressful situations (children too), adrenaline is a powerful thing. But even if you disregard that, it's just for the sake of action, if there were no action scenes in the game, I'm pretty sure people would criticise that too. It's just that realism in games is a bit overrated sometimes. When it comes to your choices, I don't see anything wrong with it.. You don't have full control over the story, that's not how it is, you have the option to control your character's personality and her reaction to certain key events (when they are presented) you don't have the ability to affect to the main storyline as you wish. Clem forgot to take the gun with her, it can happen to everyone, and she's just a kid, she got distracted, fell into a false sense of safety for a moment and something bad happened. That's the story, that's life, things happen out of your control sometimes, the important thing is, when they happen how will you deal with it?
About the characters and the story in new season, you just have to be more patient, it's just the begining, I'm sure things will get more interesting starting from Episode 2.
That totally isn't like replacing Lee at all. That isn't cliche (Sarcasm). I like playing as someone who isn't badass. We've played as Lee. In almost every other zombie game out there we play as a badass. I like some flawed characters over perfect Mary Sues
This is completely why playing as clementine was a terrible idea.......
In my opinion TTG really screwed up the perfect writing opportunity… more in episode 1 of season 1 with lees brother. Lees brother should have survived so he could have been the playable character for season 2. It could have like lees bothers bloody coat was found and his parents were dead outside.
No one wants to play in TWD as a non badass and to be honest clementine was a child in season 1 grew up some by the end but should still be a child in season 2. It's getting not believable.,
Actually the quest to go and find her parents did not happen until late Episode 3, the whole point was just to survive until that and in the upcoming episode (the fourth) that "goal" of finding them was gone. Her parents had nothing to do with "the main plot" at all, S1 was about surviving as Lee and bring Clem with you.
The time jump was something I didn't like. With season 1, you accompany characters from the very beginning of the zombie apocalypse onwards, w… morehich makes it easier for the player to identify with them. By leaping ahead in Clem's story, not only are we missing vital information about Clementine's progression from naive child to Carl-wannabe, but the tone becomes more reminiscent of THE LAST OF US, another horror/survival game I felt was too nasty for its own good.
It's the short period of time that bothers me. When you first met her as Lee she could barely hand him over that hammer while shaking like cra… morezy. In Season 1 she was pretty much the most kind and innocent thing that you can imagine. She couldn't even handle Lee swearing.
And she still seems to be like that in the intro of S2E1. She still can't swear (she says "shoot" instead of "shit") and as soon as the door of the ladies' room opens, she becomes scared and tries to hide instead of grabbing her gun.
But then - only 16 months later - she suddenly wins hand-to-fand fights against adult males, stitches up enormous wounds on her arm and blackmails other survivors... Sorry, but that's B movie niveau.
Of course clementine's character did have to be "hardened" to a certain degree. It would be pretty boring just playing as a completely innoccent little girl... and it makes sense given all the shit she's been through.
You don't have to play her as "sassy and deceitful" though. Don't blame the game for your own stupid choice of dialogue options.
For example, the conversation with Rebecca. You can of course threaten/blackmail her, or you can just stay silent, you can also promise not to tell anyone. You can blackmail alvin, or you can simply appeal to his good nature. You play her how you want to play her.
I didn't see any instances where you are forced to be particularly deceitful either. You can tell the truth to pete and luke about the dog bite, killing the dog, you and christa getting attacked etc... You can be truthful with luke about your past with lee etc... I can't remember this episode ever forcing me to lie.
(I hope people read this.)
I agree, this first episode could've been better, having improvements on a little bit more of interaction with … moreatleast some of the characters, and the bit of spoon feeding they do in the hand to hand combat. i.e : "pile of bricks right here bro.".. I can also say they might have hyped her strength up a little bit than it could've, but I still believe she could have handled the situations in a little bit more of a struggle, I also remember talking to a friend via Steam a few months ago, he claimed how amazing it would be to see Clementine basically as a comic Carl, I was totally disgusted with that opinion, I don't think she could be as hardened as she could be in this first episode, with all of those sassy dialogue options. So to sum it up, this first episode wasn't as good as it could've been, I mean killing off Omid like that, really upset me, I'm not saying it's bad writing, other than a bad choice on their end… [view original content]
Lee is gone now, Clementine has harden up. Christa probably taught her differently and also, we never saw what happened in that 16 month time frame. She could have gone through A LOT. And I see you going around the forums saying "Lee would have to do this for Clem" . She's 10-11 years old. This kind of stuff toughens a kid up.
Telltale can't go back now because we saw her stitched up her own arm with no pills. Did you see how much pain she can take? How do you make h… moreer innocence again after her stitching up a nasty bite. season 1 clem wouldn't have done that at all, lee would have.
I agree in some things with you. In Season 1, when you met Kenny, you could talk to Kenny and Katjaa and learn some of their background and in… moreteract with the farm. Now, that is gone. Perhaps after Luke had finished talking to Clem, you shoulda've been able to walk around the cabin, interacting with stuff and talking to some of the characters, and then jump to the scene where Clem, Nick and Pete go fishing. Plus, making Episode 1 one hour and a half was just stupid, do they want to make the game end earlier? Plus, I've heard that Episode 2 is only gonna have 1 hour. Now, let's hope they don't make such an idiotic error.
Although, there is something I disagree with you. The fact that there is absolutely no goal. Well, let's think. In the beginning of the apocalypse, people tried to search for loved ones or look for somewhere safer. But it has pass nearly 2 years, and by now, there ain't much stuff to achieve, except survival.
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I liked her before in season 1. She was innocent and cute. Now she is older and not as cute and or innocent. I liked the part where Clem tried biting that guy's thumb off it was cool. Clem is stronger and just generally more cool. I like her in Season 2. Plus you can choose who Clem is by picking the actions and words she uses.
I agree, season 1 is better but I don't really think Season 2 is bad. From what I've seen (just youtubers playing it) I have to agree Clem is far more strong and "bad-ass" than what I expected, but I'd never say season 2 is "bad" it just changed a bit comparing to the first. oh well let's wait for season 3.
Can see loads on this forum about the unrealism of Clem's nature but people seem to forget that this is happening in a hellish zombie-infested world. It's been who knows how many years and so she would have had to have learnt to toughen up and strengthen otherwise she would have died. She would have had to survive and learn from Christa who is hardly as caring as Lee was after Omid's death.
I agree, season 1 is better but I don't really think Season 2 is bad. From what I've seen (just youtubers playing it) I have to agree Clem is … morefar more strong and "bad-ass" than what I expected, but I'd never say season 2 is "bad" it just changed a bit comparing to the first. oh well let's wait for season 3.
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Don't matter if she hits walkers over and over. She killing them easy for a little girl. why would you have people take care of her when she can do all that? Shes "badass" for healing that bite on her arm without passing out. Could a real little girl do that? No.
Really? I thought it would be somehow racist (to you that is) that she is able to do all that......
You forget that she is about to pass out and die before she is rescued. People overlook so many things.
With dialogue options.
Could you give examples?
Well, I'll throw my two cents in here...
Clem is not an incredible hand to hand fighter. She squirms her way away from that guy and bites his finger. I don’t think it’s difficult for even a regular 11 year old to do that let alone one who’s been living outdoors an off the land for the last almost two years. The closest comparison that comes to mind for me is find a kid that grew up on a working farm. Don’t underestimate how strong and capable you could become from 16 months of hard, intensive days spent surviving. As for grabbing for the nearest item and using it as a weapon- isn’t that just instinct that anyone would do? And people struggle with walkers when they’re caught by a group of them or they’re jumped by surprise. They’re slow and shambling otherwise, I don’t think Clem being able to push one back a few feet with a broom handle or rake or whatever it was is a stretch either. And it takes her multiple hits on both walkers she kills to actually kill them- a nod that she isn’t quite that strong yet.
I will grant you that she’s become darker so far this season but it’s a survival mechanism. No, that’s not how Lee taught her… but we also don’t know what a bitter, jaded, depressed, angry at the world Christa might have taught her in the last 16 months either. Her innocence is leaving and that may upset some people but it’s also probably somewhat realistic. I hope she doesn’t turn into a real conniving bitch but maybe we’ll have a say in that.
I’ll also grant that the first episode seemed very “let’s get you from point A to point B” to set up the rest of the series and I didn’t love that but if the rest of the season is better I’m willing to let the first episode be about the setup. As you said, the episode does end with a lot of questions but I think that was the point. I can almost guarantee you we’ll find out the answers to all of these questions.
As for there being a main quest? Well, we’ll see about that. Season 1 had a real easy setup for the quest “let’s get to Savannah to look for my parents,” it also had an easy setup by bringing Lee and Clem together and establishing their relationship. This season was trickier for them and I think we should reserve judgment until we see what episode 2 brings us. I’d also say you can’t judge the characters yet, we’ve only really seen them in a one-dimensional way. I’d expect the game to open up a lot more after this first episode which I’m guessing was all about setting up the rest of the season.
Even in season 1 you didn’t really “control the game,” you just control how you got there. When you saved someone over another person that person still died eventually. You couldn’t NOT do certain things. Make no mistake this game gives us choices but it just slightly changes the story as things go on, it doesn’t really change the game. There’s still a beginning and an end and we just get to choose how we get there and who’s along for the ride.
I would expect the next episode to be better and I think we all need to have a bit more patience with it. We’ve barely met the new characters and barely touched on a lot of issues that I am confident will be explored later. Just chill back and let it happen.
I disagree. For all Clem knew the scavenger already held a gun. I agree though we should've been allowed to take the gun with us. Even if it still killed Omid we'd at least keep the illusion of choice
i don't think that Clementine is a badass at all i just see a little girl trying her best to survive, it doesn't show her hunting and looking for zombies to kill for fun, she is very much a vulnerable little girl i don't really see her fighting i see her trying her best to get away when she is being attack like being attack by a adult(bandit) or a walker she doesn't have much strength but a kick and a bite on their hand can still hurt even if it's from a little girl, if there is a object nearby anyone would use it to protect themselves or others they love even if it's a child it's common sense, she is only protecting herself to survive...
She was going to die in that forest if it wasn't those two men who rescued her (Pete and Luke) she was in complete shock was barely moving the walker would have eaten her for sure if it wasn't for the rescue, with the dog issue she had to kill it (if you chose that) because it was dying and so much in pain you would kill the dog to put it out of it's misery and the look on Clementine's face she was so sad doing it.
I believe she still keeps her caring nature towards others very much, the experience of living in this post apocalypse dangerous world it has mess up her childhood (in a way like no more playing with dolls and being a normal kid) but that goes for every child in this post Apocalypse zombie world they now live in, i suppose all children will be teach how to survive. I don't believe her character has changed at all but she has grown to become stronger in a sense not to be scared anymore and face the reality of survival or she will die. I do feel really sad that she is all alone and a very vulnerable little girl she is, even if she try's very hard to survive if she is out there much longer by herself she won't survive.
I believe Clementine's story is very good and sad, i just hope in the later episodes she will find a adult just like Lee to protect her and keep her safe and someone who is nice just like him. If she is by herself even more down the track i don't think she be able to survive a little girl would not survive for that long by herself she was very lucky to survive by herself for that short time she needs a grown up/adult to protect her i believe that will come in the later episodes, judging by the photos of the episodes 3-4 you see adults with her so she is not alone.
This is completely why playing as clementine was a terrible idea.......
In my opinion TTG really screwed up the perfect writing opportunity in episode 1 of season 1 with lees brother. Lees brother should have survived so he could have been the playable character for season 2. It could have like lees bothers bloody coat was found and his parents were dead outside.
No one wants to play in TWD as a non badass and to be honest clementine was a child in season 1 grew up some by the end but should still be a child in season 2. It's getting not believable.,
My Clementine was polite and naive but also smart. Except she sort of blackmailed Rebecca at the end, but she doesn't intend to follow through on her subtle threat.
My Clementine just wants people to be nice to each other, and also her.
same here my Clementine is polite, naive and smart, my Clementine just wants people to be nice with each other and also her, if they get out of line i tell them but in a polite sort of way, when discussing to Pete about the pregnant women being mean to her i chose the lines i don't like her she is mean.
The fact that we're opinionated about it, that we have such passion and interest in it means TTG is doing their job- we love this series and these characters and we feel a connection to them. Even if this season doesn't go as we want it to we are invested.
I agree in some things with you. In Season 1, when you met Kenny, you could talk to Kenny and Katjaa and learn some of their background and interact with the farm. Now, that is gone. Perhaps after Luke had finished talking to Clem, you shoulda've been able to walk around the cabin, interacting with stuff and talking to some of the characters, and then jump to the scene where Clem, Nick and Pete go fishing. Plus, making Episode 1 one hour and a half was just stupid, do they want to make the game end earlier? Plus, I've heard that Episode 2 is only gonna have 1 hour. Now, let's hope they don't make such an idiotic error.
Although, there is something I disagree with you. The fact that there is absolutely no goal. Well, let's think. In the beginning of the apocalypse, people tried to search for loved ones or look for somewhere safer. But it has pass nearly 2 years, and by now, there ain't much stuff to achieve, except survival.
By the way, here's a thumbs up for you, my dear gentleman, for such a gret review. Let us hope that TTG reads your words.
(I hope people read this.)
I agree, this first episode could've been better, having improvements on a little bit more of interaction with atleast some of the characters, and the bit of spoon feeding they do in the hand to hand combat. i.e : "pile of bricks right here bro.".. I can also say they might have hyped her strength up a little bit than it could've, but I still believe she could have handled the situations in a little bit more of a struggle, I also remember talking to a friend via Steam a few months ago, he claimed how amazing it would be to see Clementine basically as a comic Carl, I was totally disgusted with that opinion, I don't think she could be as hardened as she could be in this first episode, with all of those sassy dialogue options. So to sum it up, this first episode wasn't as good as it could've been, I mean killing off Omid like that, really upset me, I'm not saying it's bad writing, other than a bad choice on their end, pretty much to sum it up, the episode wasn't as good as it could've been, and we're all hoping "A House Divided." steps it up, redeeming the second season of it's flaws.
I don't think clementine was using sheer force at all. If you look at how Lee played, he had very little in the way of weapons at any given moment, it was his resourcefulness that made him pick up stuff that could be useful. Clementine, on the other hand, is a scrapper, and she can't fight with a walker by herself, so any damage done has to be from a makeshift weapon. The rock was incidental, she picked it up and threw it, and it didn't serve any real purpose. How is a can a weapon? A brick is like a rock, it makes sense for her to grab it (she can't punch the walker), knife was a plot point to open the can of food, she never uses it as a weapon, the hammer was used for plenty of stuff before being used as a weapon, a rake is reasonable thing to find in a shed, etc. If you look at this, it makes sense. Obviously she would need to grab something to use as a weapon.
My point is, you cannot call her some sort of Rambo, because anyone in real life would struggle hard in life or death scenarios. She has to smack people over and over to get away, she doesn't just OHKO stuff.In fact, Season one had way more clumsiness than what was real. The way Travis died is a prime example (if you cut the teacher's leg off) and shows how stupid people were in Season 1. Clementine does not make mistakes like that, because she has lived with Christa long enough for her pragmatism to rub off on her. 2 years is a long time. She will have hardened. She has grown. She has seen all sorts of bad stuff. That is her life now. if you were in that situation, with a dog bite, you probable would have found a way to stitch it up, even if it hurt, and did you see how much she struggles? It's obviously not a gritty hero who's made of iron, it's a hardened girl trying to survive. She would have turned out closer to Sarah if not for Lee's and Omid's death, perhaps.
Now, onto what I agree with. First, Omid's death was shocking, but not nearly as much as before. There is enough tension and bleakness in the episode that nothing seems as shocking as before. However, this could be attributed to how we have grown to accept bad things more easily. Clementine left the gun while searching for the bottle. That was stupid, and perhaps unnecessary. I also agree with the lack of interaction with people; they need to pick up on that. It was one of the driving bits of the first game, being able to talk to people and learn who they were. Understand them, pick sides, make choices, that was good. This episode has barely any of that. A lot of those cliché scenes, where some drops something is also getting old. It happened in Season 1, enough, we don't need it here, too. Dropping the rags was unnecessary, the walker could have appeared without that and grabbed her leg anyway, would have been more abrupt. I agree about the anchor, bit obvious. People seem very shallow in personalities so far, too. It was annoying to have Pete and Nick search the bodies and not be able to talk with them. Maybe it wouldn't make sense, but it was still irritating. The music wasn't as good, either.
However, I must say that Season 1's Episode 1, while good, was similarly not nearly as good as the later ones. Episode 2 was great, 3 was as well, and while 4 dipped a little, 5 was amazing. I suspect since the writer has changed, it will take time and experience for the episodes to improve this season as well.
It's a part of human nature to see only your own side of the argument. I bet all of us are doing something similar, so it is understandable.
Given the name 'A house Divided', I think TTG is going to pick up the whole 'morality, dialogue, and choices' in later episodes. I agree there wasn't enough of it in this one, but we have at least four more to go, so I think we should have a bit of faith. It's not like this episode was bad, right? It just was not what we expected. For all we know, there could be a bunch of payoffs next episode, so I'm keeping my hopes up. I liked the episode. It was far, far from perfect, but it was a good start, better than most.
OP and others. If you don't think it fits Clementine to be a baddie that threatens pregnant women, and call Nick a baby for not being able to shoot a deer - then don't play her like that. I chose "I'm a little girl" when talking to Rebecca, and "aww, that's sad" in response to Nick not killing the deer.
However I do think Telltale missed an oportunity for us to get know the group a little. It could have been something along the lines of Pete, saying "come talk to me when you are ready to go fishing with me and Nick". And then you would have some free roaming time were you could walk around and talk to each member of the group. Kinda like Lee always could, every time there was a little down time.
As horrible as it is, there have been militarizes/militias than have used "child soldiers" as young as 8-9 in combat. It's pretty terrifying how quickly kids can be stripped of their innocence and molded into hardened fighters. I say that to make the point that the environment plays a big role in a child's development. In TWD, we're talking about a world where civilization has fallen apart, almost everyone that you've ever loved or cared about is dead, and every day is a struggle to keep going (which ultimately is just delaying the inevitable). A week in this world would change a person, and after 16 months ... they might not even recognize themselves in the mirror. Throw in the traumatic things Clem has seen/been through specifically (Lee and Omid's deaths, being kidnapped, etc) and this is going to be a different girl than the one we knew.
There's a story, a plot, you're 'playing' it as it is written. I don't understand, why you make it such a big deal? A story does not have to be entirely to your liking, think of it as a movie or a TV show, the script is there, you either like the show/movie or not. Clem is deceitful/manipulative IF you decide to make her that way, don't choose those dialogue options so she won't act that way. For me she's still honest, good hearted BUT also a little more hardened compared to last season. Just remember, everyone plays her differently.
I don't think she's too strong (akin to an adult) but people can get stronger than they usually are in stressful situations (children too), adrenaline is a powerful thing. But even if you disregard that, it's just for the sake of action, if there were no action scenes in the game, I'm pretty sure people would criticise that too. It's just that realism in games is a bit overrated sometimes. When it comes to your choices, I don't see anything wrong with it.. You don't have full control over the story, that's not how it is, you have the option to control your character's personality and her reaction to certain key events (when they are presented) you don't have the ability to affect to the main storyline as you wish. Clem forgot to take the gun with her, it can happen to everyone, and she's just a kid, she got distracted, fell into a false sense of safety for a moment and something bad happened. That's the story, that's life, things happen out of your control sometimes, the important thing is, when they happen how will you deal with it?
About the characters and the story in new season, you just have to be more patient, it's just the begining, I'm sure things will get more interesting starting from Episode 2.
That totally isn't like replacing Lee at all. That isn't cliche (Sarcasm). I like playing as someone who isn't badass. We've played as Lee. In almost every other zombie game out there we play as a badass. I like some flawed characters over perfect Mary Sues
Actually the quest to go and find her parents did not happen until late Episode 3, the whole point was just to survive until that and in the upcoming episode (the fourth) that "goal" of finding them was gone. Her parents had nothing to do with "the main plot" at all, S1 was about surviving as Lee and bring Clem with you.
There are time jumps in Season 1 also FYI.
Actually if lee cursed a lot around Clem she actually does say "Shit!"
Do people not like S2 or does it just not compare to S1?
inb4smartasswhosaysS2isbetter
Of course clementine's character did have to be "hardened" to a certain degree. It would be pretty boring just playing as a completely innoccent little girl... and it makes sense given all the shit she's been through.
You don't have to play her as "sassy and deceitful" though. Don't blame the game for your own stupid choice of dialogue options.
For example, the conversation with Rebecca. You can of course threaten/blackmail her, or you can just stay silent, you can also promise not to tell anyone. You can blackmail alvin, or you can simply appeal to his good nature. You play her how you want to play her.
I didn't see any instances where you are forced to be particularly deceitful either. You can tell the truth to pete and luke about the dog bite, killing the dog, you and christa getting attacked etc... You can be truthful with luke about your past with lee etc... I can't remember this episode ever forcing me to lie.
You can't really say season 2 is better or worse based on a single episode, and anyone trying to do so is a fool.
11 year olds are sassy. My sister is one of them. They come out with lines you wouldn't believe
Lee is gone now, Clementine has harden up. Christa probably taught her differently and also, we never saw what happened in that 16 month time frame. She could have gone through A LOT. And I see you going around the forums saying "Lee would have to do this for Clem" . She's 10-11 years old. This kind of stuff toughens a kid up.
It's been 2 years, it isn't 480ish. It's like 790ish or 800 days in.
So, you're saying that the Gamespot review is harsh, but you are only willing to bump it up one arbitrary level?
That's like watching your friend tip $1, tell him he's not being generous enough, then tossing a quarter on the table.
Where was it ever mentioned Ep2 will be one hour?
I liked her before in season 1. She was innocent and cute. Now she is older and not as cute and or innocent. I liked the part where Clem tried biting that guy's thumb off it was cool. Clem is stronger and just generally more cool. I like her in Season 2. Plus you can choose who Clem is by picking the actions and words she uses.
I agree, season 1 is better but I don't really think Season 2 is bad. From what I've seen (just youtubers playing it) I have to agree Clem is far more strong and "bad-ass" than what I expected, but I'd never say season 2 is "bad" it just changed a bit comparing to the first. oh well let's wait for season 3.
Season 2 is better than season 1 and also if you dont like seaon 2 then why are you playing it?
Can see loads on this forum about the unrealism of Clem's nature but people seem to forget that this is happening in a hellish zombie-infested world. It's been who knows how many years and so she would have had to have learnt to toughen up and strengthen otherwise she would have died. She would have had to survive and learn from Christa who is hardly as caring as Lee was after Omid's death.
It's painful to love the episode so much and then go on the Telltale forums and see lots of complaints about it.
Welcome to the world of opinions, myself.
It's better from one ep?
Idk how you can tell from one ep