It goes both ways. Act like a douche to others and you'll be screwed when you need help, either people will leave you or you've already left them to be killed. It's all about making allies
Personally, I didnt give a crap about having to kill the dog.. It attacked, Clem was fighting for survival then showed some compassion to not… more let it suffer.
I mentioned in another thread that I have worked for years at Guide Dogs for the Blind and own my own dog grooming business.. Dog's are my life..
But, if I were to ever have a dog truely attack me (i dont mean a simple bite because he doesnt like being groomed) I mean a full out attack, I would use anything and do anything to defend myself and the idea of putting tho dog out of it's misery, while it may be the humane thing to do, All I thought about with Clem is if she get's that close to the dog impaled on the tent stakes, she's risking another bite.
My origional play through, I killed the dog.. My second, I left it alone. I realize in this world, it's that nasty thing we call compassion that's going to get more people killed. Remember when Lee and Kenny were out looking for supp… [view original content]
Let me answer your question with another question. If you were Ben in the final episode (if you let him live in episode 4) and you fell off the roof and impaled yourself on the spike and I had a gun, wouldn't you want me to shoot you and end in quickly or leave you to die an agonising death?
Dogs will not take kindly to people trying to take away food from them, which it thought Clem was doing. Even dogs, not starved and left to their own, will sometimes do this, although they usually only snap in warning but not with intent to harm whereas Sam was directly attacking. I don't blame Clem for not knowing that, though. For me, it was near unbearable scene but I chose to kill it out of mercy because it was in agony, dying and no one deserves to suffer like that, especially not a scared, hungry animal acting on an, albeit mistaken, instinct.
Because a dog in that state, making that noise is going to attract attention. That, and I wanted to practice using that pocket knife . I am just glad it didn't become an animal companion, The Walking Dead's Dogmeat (Was already joking about having to play as Sam in season three).
Personally, I didnt give a crap about having to kill the dog.. It attacked, Clem was fighting for survival then showed some compassion to not… more let it suffer.
I mentioned in another thread that I have worked for years at Guide Dogs for the Blind and own my own dog grooming business.. Dog's are my life..
But, if I were to ever have a dog truely attack me (i dont mean a simple bite because he doesnt like being groomed) I mean a full out attack, I would use anything and do anything to defend myself and the idea of putting tho dog out of it's misery, while it may be the humane thing to do, All I thought about with Clem is if she get's that close to the dog impaled on the tent stakes, she's risking another bite.
My origional play through, I killed the dog.. My second, I left it alone. I realize in this world, it's that nasty thing we call compassion that's going to get more people killed. Remember when Lee and Kenny were out looking for supp… [view original content]
It's a mercy kill. There's no way the dog would survive, no point letting it suffer a long painful death. Not killing it seemed like a cruel choice to me. It wasn't pretty, yeah.. but that's The Walking Dead for ya.
The dog had spikes impaled through its body and his instinct only caused him to struggle to move, making his agony worse. Not leaving him to bleed to death and ending his suffering was the merciful choice.
Yeah lee said 'killing a person changes you' but Sams a dog; I.e An animal. It doesn't change a thing, seein how they have been living off of hunted animals for how long now
Sorry either way it didnt seem right. I didnt want to leave him there but he was going to die anyways. Either ways i walked away because i fig… moreured that he was dead anyways and as Lee said: "Killing people changes you" so i just left. Aint i right? And Sam bitted me. So he got what was coming to him. But he didnt deserve that!
Let me answer your question with another question. If you were Ben in the final episode (if you let him live in episode 4) and you fell off th… moree roof and impaled yourself on the spike and I had a gun, wouldn't you want me to shoot you and end in quickly or leave you to die an agonising death?
There was only one real solution to that choice. Had to end the dogs suffering. It was dead already but would have suffered for a while if you didn't end it.
Clem put the dog down that was the right thing to do in her eyes at the time
Im sure as we progress with her the hard decisions will change her and how others see her
It will be sad to see her humanity lost in stages.
Dave 8-)
The dog had spikes impaled through its body and his instinct only caused him to struggle to move, making his agony worse. Not leaving him to bleed to death and ending his suffering was the merciful choice.
It's a mercy kill. There's no way the dog would survive, no point letting it suffer a long painful death. Not killing it seemed like a cruel choice to me. It wasn't pretty, yeah.. but that's The Walking Dead for ya.
i tried to kill a person who was trying to help it.
instincts dont override thoughts and choices.. especially when it comes to killing another living thing
It was wild/feral, you obviously don't know anything about their behaviour if you think they're going to stop and think about attacking someone taking food away from them.
i tried to kill a person who was trying to help it.
instincts dont override thoughts and choices.. especially when it comes to killing another living thing
It was wild/feral, you obviously don't know anything about their behaviour if you think they're going to stop and think about attacking someone taking food away from them.
It was wild/feral, you obviously don't know anything about their behaviour if you think they're going to stop and think about attacking someone taking food away from them.
They'll fight each other if they're hungry. My dogs snap at each other over their own dog bowls even when the others are clearly not interested in stealing their food. Wolves will also fight for dominance
They'll fight each other if they're hungry. My dogs snap at each other over their own dog bowls even when the others are clearly not interested in stealing their food. Wolves will also fight for dominance
My opinion is if i tried to murder someone in cold blood, and was bested; i wouldnt expect mercy nor deserve it.
"we must never treat any part of God’s creation with contempt." animals are people too
...Because the dog was impaled on metal spikes and whimpering? The least I could do is put him out of his misery! Do you really think leaving him was better? It wasn't a mean thing to put down the dog in a quick and almost painless way, whats mean is fucking walking away and seeing that dog kicking it's legs and whimpering and STILL think you did the right thing.
When you compare Clem's 'I'm sorry' in each situation, the one where you mercy kill she stutters and obviously feels bad for the dog. In the one where she walks away she just seems like cold bitch who doesn't care about fluffy dogs.
pleading insanity or ignorance isnt a defence in my opinion.-- anyway i dont think you give dogs the intelligence credit they deserve; they arent exactly mindless
Insanity is legit defence if it's true. I give animals plenty of credit. Their social norms are different to ours so trying them with our laws and our crimes, morals etc. is wrong
pleading insanity or ignorance isnt a defence in my opinion.-- anyway i dont think you give dogs the intelligence credit they deserve; they arent exactly mindless
in the tv series( spoiler----------->) rick leaves the woman behind that "mercy killed" fellow survivors..
this sam thing is no different in my book, i agree with rick, you dont take life because you think its easier on them.
and also with rick and lee, they tried very hard to make sure those around them didnt kill survivors after they made that same "mistake"
its always something along the line of "it changes you"
...Because the dog was impaled on metal spikes and whimpering? The least I could do is put him out of his misery! Do you really think leaving … morehim was better? It wasn't a mean thing to put down the dog in a quick and almost painless way, whats mean is fucking walking away and seeing that dog kicking it's legs and whimpering and STILL think you did the right thing.
When you compare Clem's 'I'm sorry' in each situation, the one where you mercy kill she stutters and obviously feels bad for the dog. In the one where she walks away she just seems like cold bitch who doesn't care about fluffy dogs.
Insanity is legit defence if it's true. I give animals plenty of credit. Their social norms are different to ours so trying them with our laws and our crimes, morals etc. is wrong
Insanity is legit defence if it's true. I give animals plenty of credit. Their social norms are different to ours so trying them with our laws and our crimes, morals etc. is wrong
Insanity is legit defence if it's true. I give animals plenty of credit. Their social norms are different to ours so trying them with our laws and our crimes, morals etc. is wrong
First, I don't watch the series so I have no idea what you're talking about. But animals are not humans, which is why when an animal is very sick, humans are able to get it put down. May not be the best thing IMO, but it's what happens. You can't bring in your sick sister and get her put down. Your example of a mercy kill is irrelevant because they are two very different situations.
Second, I don't really care what you think about my reasoning behind killing the dog because you're the same person who said the dog deserved to suffer because it attacked Clementine. You're changing your reasoning behind not killing Sam.
Third, animals and humans are very different in that perspective. You kill a human, yes it changes you. Dog? Not so much. Vets do it all the time and it's called mercy killing. Again, not something I agree with, but under the right circumstances, like a dog being impaled on metal spikes, then yes.
Regardless, nothing you say is going to change anyone opinions on killing the dog. They did it with their own reasoning, just like you have yours for not doing it.
in the tv series( spoiler----------->) rick leaves the woman behind that "mercy killed" fellow survivors..
this sam thing is no differen… moret in my book, i agree with rick, you dont take life because you think its easier on them.
and also with rick and lee, they tried very hard to make sure those around them didnt kill survivors after they made that same "mistake"
its always something along the line of "it changes you"
Dogs have a complex social structure, just like humans. I am not saying dogs are stupid creatures, because they aren't, but instincts override thoughts, feelings and morality in feral animals. He wanted food. Clementine was (in his mind) taking away what he had claimed his. When you first bring a dog home from a breeder, they are only using instinct to survive, they don't have any emotional connection with new people. When I tried to take my puppy's bone away he growled and went for me. It's only in a dogs nature (especially one whose background we have no knowledge on) to act in this way,
I put him out of his misery and killed him. I'm not taking the moral high ground here and saying that anyone who didn't put Sam out of his misery is a douche, I am simply saying I didn't want to leave him there to struggle.
It's the same in the TV series. Rick kills that walker who's missing half its body. He killed it to put it out of its misery. Just an opinion.
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It goes both ways. Act like a douche to others and you'll be screwed when you need help, either people will leave you or you've already left them to be killed. It's all about making allies
Let me answer your question with another question. If you were Ben in the final episode (if you let him live in episode 4) and you fell off the roof and impaled yourself on the spike and I had a gun, wouldn't you want me to shoot you and end in quickly or leave you to die an agonising death?
C'mon man don't be a grammar nazi.
Dogs will not take kindly to people trying to take away food from them, which it thought Clem was doing. Even dogs, not starved and left to their own, will sometimes do this, although they usually only snap in warning but not with intent to harm whereas Sam was directly attacking. I don't blame Clem for not knowing that, though. For me, it was near unbearable scene but I chose to kill it out of mercy because it was in agony, dying and no one deserves to suffer like that, especially not a scared, hungry animal acting on an, albeit mistaken, instinct.
Because a dog in that state, making that noise is going to attract attention. That, and I wanted to practice using that pocket knife
. I am just glad it didn't become an animal companion, The Walking Dead's Dogmeat (Was already joking about having to play as Sam in season three).
Compassion is not a nasty thing. It keeps us from being robots.
It's a mercy kill. There's no way the dog would survive, no point letting it suffer a long painful death. Not killing it seemed like a cruel choice to me. It wasn't pretty, yeah.. but that's The Walking Dead for ya.
The dog had spikes impaled through its body and his instinct only caused him to struggle to move, making his agony worse. Not leaving him to bleed to death and ending his suffering was the merciful choice.
Yeah lee said 'killing a person changes you' but Sams a dog; I.e An animal. It doesn't change a thing, seein how they have been living off of hunted animals for how long now
ben wasnt blood thirsty
The other solution was let it receive judgement without intervening further
I thought it was the right thing to do
in YOUR eyes
the thoughts i think people should consider is -did it deserve a merciful DEATH?
There was a point in letting it suffer -in my opinion
Deserve it? What did it do to not deserve it? Use it's instincts your* god gave it?
i tried to kill a person who was trying to help it.
instincts dont override thoughts and choices.. especially when it comes to killing another living thing
It was wild/feral, you obviously don't know anything about their behaviour if you think they're going to stop and think about attacking someone taking food away from them.
Each has their own way.
Messed up
I know that animals arent robots that kill just cause they can
you gotta think, the dog wanted her death; not for her to back off the food. it went out of its way to go for a kill shot
Because she was a threat?
dogs and wolves dont kill eachother after they work together for food, they have to share. If anything, zombies run on instinct
They'll fight each other if they're hungry. My dogs snap at each other over their own dog bowls even when the others are clearly not interested in stealing their food. Wolves will also fight for dominance
im not disagreeing with that, but they wouldnt KILL a companion || after the initial bite, she let go, but after that sam pursued its attack
I really wish Sam didn't attack cause that's what lead to him getting impaled. The sight of that just instantly brought me to tears.
I killed him because I thought that if I just left him, then his whining would've just brought walkers to him and walkers would've finished him off.
The dog would have died anyway. A slower, more painful death. I put it out of it's misery.
What are everyone thoughts on this related matter? -> Do you think offenders should be incarcerated, or given the death penalty?
Wrong.
That's different. Dogs can't knowingly commit a crime
...Because the dog was impaled on metal spikes and whimpering? The least I could do is put him out of his misery! Do you really think leaving him was better? It wasn't a mean thing to put down the dog in a quick and almost painless way, whats mean is fucking walking away and seeing that dog kicking it's legs and whimpering and STILL think you did the right thing.
When you compare Clem's 'I'm sorry' in each situation, the one where you mercy kill she stutters and obviously feels bad for the dog. In the one where she walks away she just seems like cold bitch who doesn't care about fluffy dogs.
pleading insanity or ignorance isnt a defence in my opinion.-- anyway i dont think you give dogs the intelligence credit they deserve; they arent exactly mindless
Insanity is legit defence if it's true. I give animals plenty of credit. Their social norms are different to ours so trying them with our laws and our crimes, morals etc. is wrong
in the tv series( spoiler----------->) rick leaves the woman behind that "mercy killed" fellow survivors..
this sam thing is no different in my book, i agree with rick, you dont take life because you think its easier on them.
and also with rick and lee, they tried very hard to make sure those around them didnt kill survivors after they made that same "mistake"
its always something along the line of "it changes you"
thats where it gets interesting. murder isnt a human only thing.
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If someone is insane, and they murder a bunch of people, they still willingly acted on their thoughts, regardless if they werent "normal"
i believe that animals know what pain is, and how to inflict it.
this sam dog decided to kill clem even after she dropped the food
i should say, try to think of the laws that we have, the commandments if you will, is for all life in general.
( i think of god as our thoughts | jesus as our bodies | and holy spirit as emotion ) its symbolism
even in wolf and tiger packs, there are things they just dont do to each other
First, I don't watch the series so I have no idea what you're talking about. But animals are not humans, which is why when an animal is very sick, humans are able to get it put down. May not be the best thing IMO, but it's what happens. You can't bring in your sick sister and get her put down. Your example of a mercy kill is irrelevant because they are two very different situations.
Second, I don't really care what you think about my reasoning behind killing the dog because you're the same person who said the dog deserved to suffer because it attacked Clementine. You're changing your reasoning behind not killing Sam.
Third, animals and humans are very different in that perspective. You kill a human, yes it changes you. Dog? Not so much. Vets do it all the time and it's called mercy killing. Again, not something I agree with, but under the right circumstances, like a dog being impaled on metal spikes, then yes.
Regardless, nothing you say is going to change anyone opinions on killing the dog. They did it with their own reasoning, just like you have yours for not doing it.
Dogs have a complex social structure, just like humans. I am not saying dogs are stupid creatures, because they aren't, but instincts override thoughts, feelings and morality in feral animals. He wanted food. Clementine was (in his mind) taking away what he had claimed his. When you first bring a dog home from a breeder, they are only using instinct to survive, they don't have any emotional connection with new people. When I tried to take my puppy's bone away he growled and went for me. It's only in a dogs nature (especially one whose background we have no knowledge on) to act in this way,
I put him out of his misery and killed him. I'm not taking the moral high ground here and saying that anyone who didn't put Sam out of his misery is a douche, I am simply saying I didn't want to leave him there to struggle.
It's the same in the TV series. Rick kills that walker who's missing half its body. He killed it to put it out of its misery. Just an opinion.