she cared about Omid! she cried when he died and he didn't give her much attention like she needed anyways since he had a lady to take care of. She isn't gonna cry everyday for him after 16 months! she didn't even do that to Lee. Clementine is taking care of herself and to me it looks like she gives a shit about everything when it comes to herself and i like that. She is now on her own anyways
Because I used to like Clem. I used to love Clem. So I bought the season pass for season 2. The reason I don't like her anymore is because... … moreFucking listen to her voice. She sounds like she doesn't give a shit about anything. Granted, it makes sense, but I'd rather play as someone who fucking cares. Every line after Omid's death is just like, "Oh. Who cares. I don't."
And that's why I don't like Clem anymore. It better get fixed, though considering the preview for episode 2, and my money already being there for the whole season, nothing will change
she cared about Omid! she cried when he died and he didn't give her much attention like she needed anyways since he had a lady to take care of… more. She isn't gonna cry everyday for him after 16 months! she didn't even do that to Lee. Clementine is taking care of herself and to me it looks like she gives a shit about everything when it comes to herself and i like that. She is now on her own anyways
It's not fantastic. It's flat. Also, never fucking use that argument again. I couldn't rap like Little Wayne, he's still a little shithead. Granted, Clem is FAR better than Little Wayne, but he proves my point. I couldn't code like the people who made... Fuck, I dunno, the seedy side of Newgrounds.com, but they still fucking suck.
To say that she is "adapting" suggests that the apocalypse will never end and they will live like this for the rest of their lives, which unfortunately may or may not be true.
God, this franchise is depressing. :-(
I think there's a difference between being traumatized and adapting to your surroundings. In my opinion, it's attitude, confidence, and self-c… moreontrol that make that difference.
Based on how my Clem acted in S2E1, I'd say she's not traumatized in the least. She remembers her tragedies without being owned by them, reacts to new situations in a practical way, and acknowledges how messed-up the world is without losing herself to despair. If anything, she's unrealistically tough and centered for an 11-year-old after all she's been though.
I'd say Becca from 400 Days is legitimately experiencing trauma. From the way she talks it's clear that she's lost hope and been dulled to the remaining good things TWD's world has to offer. Clem doesn't seem to dwell on the good or the bad, instead focusing on her survival - though she can still trust and cooperates with others while showing reasonable sadness over what she's lost while showing none of the hop… [view original content]
Don't worry about the haters. If they don't like this season (which I don't know why they wouldn't) but if they don't let them mope ad cry all they want.
If you don't think she's traumatized then you're not very smart. Everything she's been through, and all the people that she has gotten killed, unintentional or not is gonna take a toll on the kid
But Clem is a tough girl, She will continue to live on, for better or worse,
Agreed. I think the voice director went a little too far with the "desensitized survivor" thing. Melissa should be allowed to bring back some of the Clem we loved from S1 into the next episode.
I can't stand Carl. The kid ceased to be a remotely sympathetic or identifiable human being a long time ago. He's not a survivor I can root for any more, he's just another monster in waiting.
Agreed. I think the voice director went a little too far with the "desensitized survivor" thing. Melissa should be allowed to bring back some of the Clem we loved from S1 into the next episode.
That's what a zombie apocalypse does, though. No one in the TWD comic is really sympathic anymore, but it's funny to see the character development in the future.
I can't stand Carl. The kid ceased to be a remotely sympathetic or identifiable human being a long time ago. He's not a survivor I can root for any more, he's just another monster in waiting.
Clem is not that same innocent little 8 year old girl we all love(d) and felt like keeping her safe and by our side at all times. She has been… more through so much shit and has grown into someone who is capable of surviving the zombie apocalypse. While I do like the old Clem more than the new Clem, it only makes that with everything she has seen, she has turned more bitter, a lot more mature, and can be sassy at times. Remember what Chuck said, if you treat her like a little girl, then she'll die a little girl.
Clem is not that same innocent little 8 year old girl we all love(d) and felt like keeping her safe and by our side at all times. She has been through so much shit and has grown into someone who is capable of surviving the zombie apocalypse. While I do like the old Clem more than the new Clem, it only makes that with everything she has seen, she has turned more bitter, a lot more mature, and can be sassy at times. Remember what Chuck said, if you treat her like a little girl, then she'll die a little girl.
Even though Clem saw Lee killing the walkers, she seemed to understand this is what needs to be done to survive. Clem is a sensitive girl caught in a never ending nightmare.
Lee taught her well by teaching her to shoot, and that sometimes people can be just as bad. In the end when Lee had been bitten and he wanted Clem to shoot him, it was hard for her and she was in tears. After she put Lee out of his misery she went to the fields and sat for a bit to mull over what had happened and she was a bit traumatized, she couldn't be that way if she is to survive, then she saw two people over yonder descending from a hill.... I was hoping for a long time that it is Christa and Omid, but now I am not sure. Have to play season 2 episode 1 to see.
All the more reason why stretching the zombie apocalypse out from a feature film into an ongoing series just isn't a good idea. Where's the entertainment value in watching people getting meaner and more miserable with every new episode?
That's what a zombie apocalypse does, though. No one in the TWD comic is really sympathic anymore, but it's funny to see the character development in the future.
That's what a zombie apocalypse does, though.
All the more reason why stretching the zombie apocalypse out from a feature film into an… more ongoing series just isn't a good idea. Where's the entertainment value in watching people getting meaner and more miserable with every new episode?
She is clearly dejected/depressed if you just take a moment to observe her expression and body language. You don't even have to hear her voice to realize it. I would imagine that Lee's death alone caused a great change in her personality. Omid's death and Christa's probable bitterness toward her following his death would have sent her even further into depression. Her potential manipulation and stoicism is simply a bi-product of the situation she is in. She isn't exactly becoming a sociopath, but there does seem to be some disassociation.
I think that Telltale is doing a good job with her, but it would be nice to see her form bonds that would help lessen her depression. Of course, this would only make it worse when these people are inevitably killed off.
On a bit of a tangent here but did you enjoy the first season of the game?
I assume you found Clementine in Season 1 quite endearing, how was the ending of the game for you and how would you have written a 'grown up', 'seasoned' Clementine?
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she cared about Omid! she cried when he died and he didn't give her much attention like she needed anyways since he had a lady to take care of. She isn't gonna cry everyday for him after 16 months! she didn't even do that to Lee. Clementine is taking care of herself and to me it looks like she gives a shit about everything when it comes to herself and i like that. She is now on her own anyways
what exactly do you mean by that?
And that's why I don't like Clem anymore. It better get fixed, though considering the preview for episode 2, and my money already being there for the whole season, nothing will change
I've seen zombieland. Your right. and by the way those girls in zombieland were bitches...at first :P
Clem has no choice. If you've seen zombieland its kinda the same thing, where you have to grow up at an early age if your going to survive.
her voice acting is FANTASTIC. dude just stop now. if you can't voice act just don't talk about how other people "can't"
AFTER Omid's death. During that scene, she was good.
what the heck? no! she cried during and after....
I mean the voice acting is not so great here, and I dislike her just like how I disliked Duck.
lol
It's not fantastic. It's flat. Also, never fucking use that argument again. I couldn't rap like Little Wayne, he's still a little shithead. Granted, Clem is FAR better than Little Wayne, but he proves my point. I couldn't code like the people who made... Fuck, I dunno, the seedy side of Newgrounds.com, but they still fucking suck.
I mean the whole scene. After the time skip, that tone she developed? Reminds me of Duck's inability to speak like a human being.
Eeeww. Comparing her to Duck is a little too much. Duck sounded....eew and he was an annoying little brat
What's the context of this panel? I don't remember.
To discuss about Clementine's traumatic experiences
To say that she is "adapting" suggests that the apocalypse will never end and they will live like this for the rest of their lives, which unfortunately may or may not be true.
God, this franchise is depressing. :-(
She sounded like Duck, though. Only a girl, and with moments of good, where Duck had no moments of good. Aside from Batman and Robin.
Hahahahaha.....she sounds nothing like that annoying brat!
Well Clem looks cool, but am I the only one to notice Clem's neck is longer than Chris Bosh's lol jk
Rick inviting him to join the war against Negan.
Don't worry about the haters. If they don't like this season (which I don't know why they wouldn't) but if they don't let them mope ad cry all they want.
Lol you might be the only one!
If you don't think she's traumatized then you're not very smart. Everything she's been through, and all the people that she has gotten killed, unintentional or not is gonna take a toll on the kid
But Clem is a tough girl, She will continue to live on, for better or worse,
Agreed. I think the voice director went a little too far with the "desensitized survivor" thing. Melissa should be allowed to bring back some of the Clem we loved from S1 into the next episode.
I can't stand Carl. The kid ceased to be a remotely sympathetic or identifiable human being a long time ago. He's not a survivor I can root for any more, he's just another monster in waiting.
Thank you.
That's what a zombie apocalypse does, though. No one in the TWD comic is really sympathic anymore, but it's funny to see the character development in the future.
exactly and i think its good she got out of her shell
Clem is not that same innocent little 8 year old girl we all love(d) and felt like keeping her safe and by our side at all times. She has been through so much shit and has grown into someone who is capable of surviving the zombie apocalypse. While I do like the old Clem more than the new Clem, it only makes that with everything she has seen, she has turned more bitter, a lot more mature, and can be sassy at times. Remember what Chuck said, if you treat her like a little girl, then she'll die a little girl.
I'm the only one who likes new Clem better then old Clem? Alrighty then.
Even though Clem saw Lee killing the walkers, she seemed to understand this is what needs to be done to survive. Clem is a sensitive girl caught in a never ending nightmare.
Lee taught her well by teaching her to shoot, and that sometimes people can be just as bad. In the end when Lee had been bitten and he wanted Clem to shoot him, it was hard for her and she was in tears. After she put Lee out of his misery she went to the fields and sat for a bit to mull over what had happened and she was a bit traumatized, she couldn't be that way if she is to survive, then she saw two people over yonder descending from a hill.... I was hoping for a long time that it is Christa and Omid, but now I am not sure. Have to play season 2 episode 1 to see.
no i do too!
All the more reason why stretching the zombie apocalypse out from a feature film into an ongoing series just isn't a good idea. Where's the entertainment value in watching people getting meaner and more miserable with every new episode?
As a cynical person I really love reading something like this. And it's not like there's no plot progression...
Ah, okay then. I'm not-so-cynical, so I guess that's where our views will always differ on the topic.
She is clearly dejected/depressed if you just take a moment to observe her expression and body language. You don't even have to hear her voice to realize it. I would imagine that Lee's death alone caused a great change in her personality. Omid's death and Christa's probable bitterness toward her following his death would have sent her even further into depression. Her potential manipulation and stoicism is simply a bi-product of the situation she is in. She isn't exactly becoming a sociopath, but there does seem to be some disassociation.
I think that Telltale is doing a good job with her, but it would be nice to see her form bonds that would help lessen her depression. Of course, this would only make it worse when these people are inevitably killed off.
Why?
I still love and miss her from season 1 but I like how much stronger she is now
I miss when she gave a fuck.
On a bit of a tangent here but did you enjoy the first season of the game?
I assume you found Clementine in Season 1 quite endearing, how was the ending of the game for you and how would you have written a 'grown up', 'seasoned' Clementine?