Bigger influence on Clementine: Lee or Christa?
So who had a bigger influence on Clementine? Lee or Christa?
Personally, I choose Lee. Even though Christa took care of her for two years, Lee teached her how to use a gun and I doubt Clem will forget about Lee's teachings and use Christa's teachings instead. It would be a insult to Lee and to our decisions from the first season.
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I'd say Lee for another reason: After Omid's death it seems like she became distant to Clementine, and only offered the bare minumum nessesary to keep her alive. Lee was much more nurturing and spent a good ammount of time bonding with her, only ever being away from Clementine to find food, check if somewhere was safe or when she was forcibly taken from him. Remember that station by the train and their adorable "we're a team" attitude? I don't think Clem and Christa ever reached that point.
I firmly believe Lee heavily affects (...affected) all of Clementine's actions and belief, granted Christa did end up raising her for two years, she doesn't have that same familial touch that Lee had. Everything Lee has done, Clem watched and learned. Everything Christa does, Clem obviously takes Lee's approach.
So in a nutshell, I think Lee molded Clem (unintentionally) in his own image.
Long Live Lee
Well it's not like Lee's and Christa's teachings are mutually exclusive. They both seemed to be on the same page for the most part.
Lee. After Omid's death (which Christa probably blamed on Clem, even if she didn't say that to her), she probably would have been much harder with Clem. Having said that, some of her bitterness would have rubbed off on Clementine at this point. Its clear she isn't the same kid we saw in season 1
Influence doesn't necessarily mean Clem learning good things from her. Like others say her bitterness could be impressionable too
Christa made Clem realize the more harsher things in the zombie apocalypse, although Lee taught her to shoot, i would assume she was much more shielded to this with Lee, mainly because Christa was so blunt with Clem before she may/may not of died.
Realistically should probably be Christa but for the game I'd say Lee
actually I'm pretty sure that in general, the first major influence you have on you is usually the one that impacts you the most.
In terms of the zombie apocalypse and Clementine, her first influence, and her first major one, is Lee.
If Lee is her father that raised her but then died, Omid and Christa are her adopted parents. They both have a major influence, but Lee would probably be the one that had the most impact.
Lee taught her the extremely important stuff like firing a gun, using a weapon (and coping with people dying), Christa probably picked up where Lee left off. To be honest it shouldn't matter who taught her so long as she learned it.
Lee because even though Christa was with her for 2 years, she was pregnant and didn't have time to teach her things and she had her man to be with. After Omid died, she was depressed. Lee looked at Clementine as his own and never turned her down for anyone else and had time for her. she will DEFINITELY remember Lee's teachings because...he taught her how to shoot a gun duh!! hoe can she possibly forget that?! she needs to know that and he gave her so many tips to carry on with her she thinks about! so far we know Christa showed her how to stitch and make a fire?...Lee taught her how to shoot a gun, how to be strong, keep that hair short (safety), and shelter! i never heard Christa say words of wisdom to poor Clementine! anyways Lee all the way!
i just read your comment...i said most of what you said sorry lol
I agree. It's very obvious Christa resents Clementine, and I'd go so far as to say she considers her a burden.
How can You really tell? Clem was with Christa longer but in fact we do not know what was the quality of their interactions. You can't tell that after a 2 minute chat at the fire. I don't think we have had enough of Christa-Clem intractions nor did we see enough of Christa in siutations that would let us know her and know how she thinks and feels, to have enough material to make a judgment. Like "Oh, look, Clem acted/said this and that in this particular situation, just like Lee/CHrista in a similiar one in the past". There is some proof that Lee had more influence, there is some proof that Christa had, but let us not forget, that Clem is a human being (and a smart one), and the process is not as simple as copy and paste. She might be influenced, but that doesn't mean she will act exactly as either of their caretakers, she does think and feel for herself, so the outcome might be totally different than the source material. Plus, if we would like to make such guesses, let's not forget Clems parents, when talking about influence on Clem, but that'sanother story.
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No lol I apologized to him/her because he wrote that comment first I wrote mine after and I didn't want them to think I copied them....
There is no way that Christa feels that way about her. Christa went through so much shit: losing her husband and going through miscarriage/losing her baby somehow, she just turned bitter. She cares about Clementine, which is WHY she's being hard on her: Eventually, she will have to do these things on her own if Wellington isn't what it's cracked up to be, and if Christa dies before then, Clementine wouldn't know what to do or where to go. Besides, it is because Christa showed her how to stitch wounds is how she managed to get through the night in the shed without catching an infection.
Christa might have guided Clem through a rough sixteen months, but whereas Christa became gloomy company after Omid's death (as almost anyone would, to be fair), Lee's perseverance and optimism were never truly beaten, even when he parted ways with Clementine.
Christa helped Clem's body to survive, but Lee helped Clem's soul to survive. That's the difference.
Christa probably blames Clem for Omid being shot.
Robert wins this thread. No further explanation.
By that logic how about her real parents.They deserve credits for making her the best
She's not going to blame the death of her husband on a nine year old girl that she has been taking care of ever since she met Lee's group a year or so back, especially a year after the event. She only turned bitter because of the awful events, and can you blame her?
Lee and Christa's way of teaching were very different: Lee was more protective and teaches her ethics and morals, and told her to never stop caring for people.
Christa taught her survival and skills to keep her alive. Without the protection of a group, Christa had to show her things to keep her alive.
To me, Clementine may not have lived as long as she had without Christa's teachings, but she definitely wouldn't be the same without Lee's teachings as well. So yes, I believe Christa's teaching were more important to an extent, but I am 100% happy that Lee was able to teach Clem as well.
I just miss lee ):
I was talking from the perspective of the zombie apocalypse being the start of her "new life," where Lee would definitely be her father and then adopted by Omid and Christa after Lee died.
Well that made sense.But I think the bigger influence is on Lee .She is still sad about his death and she remember him by all the lessons he taught her.But in the end when you ask about Christa's whereabouts she seems too worried about it,it means the both might have influence on her.
Lee taught her to shoot :Killing the stranger saving Lee's life
Christa taught her how to stitch : Saving her own life
Lee, hands down. No question about it. Lee taught Clementine everything, she'd be dead without him. I'm sure Christa taught her some valuable stuff too, but Lee took a scared little orphan girl and turned her into a capable survivor. I do realize that I'm probably biased, but we don't get to see very much of Christa and Clementine, whereas we get an entire season dedicated to Lee and Clementine.
Well said. Lee taught her a lot of practical survival stuff too, but his biggest contribution was in helping Clementine find the emotional and spiritual fortitude to carry on. He took a scared orphan and turned her into a strong, capable young lady. Clementine's independence is an enormous accomplishment for a 10-11 year old girl.
Well, yes, both would obviously be very huge influences on her, but I think Lee's influence has more impact, thus that means that he's the larger influence.
And influence is morality and philosophies as well, not just the skills that are taught. You can learn how to do something from someone who you think is a giant ass and has an awful moral code, which means that they wouldn't have had the largest influence on you life besides teaching you a certain skill.
Morality and philosophies are useless if you're dead. In this world, Mr. Nice Guy doesn't get you anywhere. You either die good or live heartless if you had to choose one.
Thankfully, this is not the case: Clementine was able to keep both her morality and survival instincts. Thank God she had both Lee and Christa in her past.
how does this relate
What do you mean: It relates to the topic.
I just don't understand how it was applicable to the discussion line of whether Lee or Christa had a larger impact on Clementine
Ah, I see. Lee taught Clementine ethics and morals under his protection. Christa taught Clementine survival skills and tactics used in the wilderness. I find Christa's more useful and important, but I can tell you that without Lee's teachings, Clementine wouldn't be the same. I'm just glad she had both of them as mentors.
Well, there's that one bit in Omid's death scene where Christa looks at the gun in that girl's hand and then looks at Clementine.
I don't think she took out her frustration and misery on Clementine, but I imagine in the back of her mind that association and thought that "If Clementine had properly taken care of her gun.." leaves a sour tinge in her relationship with Clementine.
Well, there's that one bit in Omid's death scene where Christa looks at the gun in that girl's hand and then looks at Clementine.
I don't think she took out her frustration and misery on Clementine, but I imagine in the back of her mind that association and thought that "If Clementine had properly taken care of her gun.." leaves a sour tinge in her relationship with Clementine.
That is the third stage of the Five stages of grief: Denial, anger, bargaining (meaning like, "If only this had happened, then this wouldn't have happened), depression, then acceptance. I can see that being a factor to her bitterness, but still, there is nothing that proves that Christa completely resents Clementine, nor that she is intentionally taking it out on her.
Yeah, it's definitely not an absolute and no she isn't taking it out on her.
But it is something, and it's entirely possible for it to become a factor in the future if Telltale so wished (though that'd be a bit TV drama).
Larry. he taught clem the ways of having charm coming out of your ass.