I'll remind you that Episode 1 of Season 1 was excellent in all aspects.It was one heck of a promising story and a great start.
And like the story-teller taught Sahrazad in the 1001 tales movie: "You have to get the audience's attention from the beginning".
I too reserve my final judgement after all the episodes are released,but that won't mean that episode 1 wasn't a sub-par try in a series that has been epic beyond epic.
I don't really understand. it's like... people are expecting S2E1 to be as good as the ENTIRITY of S1. When you look at it, ALL the complaints… more up until now are basically the same and have no real validity since there's only 1 episode out.
* Complaining about "bad" characters when barely any of them had more than 3minutes worth of speech in all the episode, really ?
* Complaining about "poor story-writing", after having seen barely a fifth of the story, it's like complaining the movie is crap when you've only seen the trailers coming before it. I can give you many movies off the top of my head that were crap until the VERY LAST MINUTE, then after that it all turned out fantastic.
* Complaining about how Clem changed too much. About 2 years in the ZA, you can bet that anyone will feel tired of all the shit he's seen/lived. If Clementine still had her cheerful/joyous tone from S1 I'd have called THAT bad writing. Right now she feels empty… [view original content]
It simply doesn't have the magic of the first series. I didn't even feel a thing about the new guys.Never really cared.While in the first season I always had some interest in characters that appeared.Even the hobo had me go "Wow...the guy's got guts!" when he self-sacrificed to save the others.
i think its funny theres so many more "all that remains sucks" threads then "thanks telltale for working your asses off threads" i honestly th… moreink some peolpe had overly high expectations no not because of how good season 1 was but because of something called. waiting some of us waited for a year and a half and then played for an hour and 30 minutes to have it just suddenly end. now i personally love all that remains i like it more than no time left and a new day. but some users are acting like it was bad and it seems they are more angry and sad in these threads in things i dont understand. like "this group is boring" how is it boring?? something is wrong with sarah. rebecca might be cheating on alvin. why does nick seem to flip out from time to time. why was luke mean to us, then suddenly magically nice to us? why the hell does rebecca hate us? who can i trust? i have so many questions and very few are resolved this group is mysterious and i lov… [view original content]
Season 1 Ep 1 was introducing us to the setting as a whole. The characters were new to it as well. It pretty much writes itself. That's not something that you can do twice, sorry. Season 2 Ep 1 was about showing us what's going on with Clementine. It did that just fine. But I guess her voice is too old.
I'll remind you that Episode 1 of Season 1 was excellent in all aspects.It was one heck of a promising story and a great start.
And like the … morestory-teller taught Sahrazad in the 1001 tales movie: "You have to get the audience's attention from the beginning".
I too reserve my final judgement after all the episodes are released,but that won't mean that episode 1 wasn't a sub-par try in a series that has been epic beyond epic.
Don't give me that sarcasm -_- I said her voice is the least of the problems.The whole episode was just...kind of empty of emotion and excitement.A couple of good ideas like the hand sewing and having Clem as the main character,but other than that it was sub-par to the worst episode of 400 Days.400 Days for me,was a much better addition to the series.
Season 1 Ep 1 was introducing us to the setting as a whole. The characters were new to it as well. It pretty much writes itself. That's not… more something that you can do twice, sorry. Season 2 Ep 1 was about showing us what's going on with Clementine. It did that just fine. But I guess her voice is too old.
S1 started out at the very beginning of the apocalypse and showed things getting worse and worse as time went on. It made sense with the setting that the most of the doom and gloom were saved for later in the season, since that's when things would actually get doomy and gloomy. In Season 2, you're already in the thick of it, so it doesn't fit quite as well.
That being said, you are right that if the mood of the game continues on the same trajectory as S1, with things going from bad to worse, that's not going to be very interesting to the player. That's why I think the progression of the season this time around is going to be the reverse of S1. Instead of starting on a hopeful note and ending on a depressing one, I have a feeling that they're starting off depressed to have it be more fitting when they end with hope. For Clementine to get anything close to a happy ending at the end of this season, she's going to have to earn it with blood, sweat and tears. And I think that's what they're trying to do here.
Your point about providing players with more motivation still stands and seeing as how Clem actually has a group to interact with now, I think the next episode should be much better at doing that.
Remember, this is 2 years into the apocalypse. Anyone who had survived for this long has had to deal with this very shitty world for a very lo… moreng time (well, except for Sarah). Getting tired of it all, thinking that everything is pointless, and becoming numb to the depressing bullshit that happens all around you is probably something that would happen.
It might be realistic. But this is also a video game, you know. If you eliminate every gleam of hope right from the beginning, don't give the player a proper task and make the whole thing nothing but numb and depressing, some players won't be that motivated to play the whole game.
I think they should have saved these kind of emotions for the later episodes, like they did in S1.
That's...not really an argument. I gave you my reasons for why the motor inn crew wasn't particularly interesting after just the first episode. The fact that you responded to that with an unsupported claim makes me think that you don't have any arguments to refute mine.
And I have played S1E1 quite a few times in fact. I just happen to be able to see it through non-rose-colored lenses.
I will leave you with this.. if the baseline for your assessment that these characters are anything more than stagnant pisspoor placeholders is the crew from S1E1 I highly suggest you go play it again, because you're missing out.
I have given many examples, you are just ok with rehashed unitneresting characters where as I am not. That's what this entire conversation has been about. Want see me refute you claims? Scroll up.
That's...not really an argument. I gave you my reasons for why the motor inn crew wasn't particularly interesting after just the first episode… more. The fact that you responded to that with an unsupported claim makes me think that you don't have any arguments to refute mine.
And I have played S1E1 quite a few times in fact. I just happen to be able to see it through non-rose-colored lenses.
You can't really make a fair comparison to the characters from season 1 and 2 yet as we have only just met them and there are 4 other episodes remaining where we could meet other interesting and memorable characters, Chuck didn't arrive until the middle of episode 3 and died in early episode 4 and we could easily meet someone with more guts than Chuck in this season. This is The Walking Dead and it not going to start with sunshine, rainbows and happiness, They have gone through two years of shit just trying to stay alive and always on the run so they have lost most of their hope and optimism. At least wait for all of season 2 to be released before saying the story or characters suck, I for one really enjoyed episode 1 and am really looking forward to the rest of the season and i didn't see anything wrong with the writing besides not enough dialogue options with the characters.
It simply doesn't have the magic of the first series. I didn't even feel a thing about the new guys.Never really cared.While in the first seas… moreon I always had some interest in characters that appeared.Even the hobo had me go "Wow...the guy's got guts!" when he self-sacrificed to save the others.
As far as I can tell, I've addressed all the points you made. If there are any that I missed kindly point them out and I will respond to them. Now allow me to do the same for you: I brought up reasons for why I think the S1 characters weren't that stellar in the first episode. You haven't addressed any of those points. If you disagree, go ahead. Show me how wrong I am. Defend why you think the Season 1 characters were so much more interesting than the Season 2 ones. What made Carley more interesting than Luke? What made Larry more interesting than Rebecca? What made Lilly or Kenny more interesting than Nick or Pete? Defend Katjaa. Defend Duck. Remember, you can only use what you know about them from Episode 1 of Season 1.
I have given many examples, you are just ok with rehashed unitneresting characters where as I am not. That's what this entire conversation has been about. Want see me refute you claims? Scroll up.
Scroll up, you have rephrased a point that was already made, I won't sit here and argue matters with someone who fights with the same questions repeatedly.
As far as I can tell, I've addressed all the points you made. If there are any that I missed kindly point them out and I will respond to them.… more Now allow me to do the same for you: I brought up reasons for why I think the S1 characters weren't that stellar in the first episode. You haven't addressed any of those points. If you disagree, go ahead. Show me how wrong I am. Defend why you think the Season 1 characters were so much more interesting than the Season 2 ones. What made Carley more interesting than Luke? What made Larry more interesting than Rebecca? What made Lilly or Kenny more interesting than Nick or Pete? Defend Katjaa. Defend Duck. Remember, you can only use what you know about them from Episode 1 of Season 1.
You're exactly right. I'm one of the few people who wasn't a fan of S2 E1 as I had my problems with the narrative structure, Clem's dialogues … morein correlation to the 16 month skip and the writing. And this is coming from a big fan of the first season.
I'm riding on the last chance that maybe S2 E2 will prove for the shortcomings in the first episode. If not, I don't think I'll continue playing the rest of the season.
Questions that you apparently refuse to answer. If you think you're answered them, then provide me with a quote from one of your posts above.
I've looked and the closest you've come to addressing the points I raised was falsely stating that you don't have conversations with characters from Season 2, to which I responded by pointing out that you in fact do have conversations with each character and that they were sufficient to get an assessment of their personalities.
You also said something about "feeling" for certain characters because of your interactions with them. But feeling for a character and finding them interesting are two different things, as I have pointed out. And did I feel for Nick's struggle to find approval from his uncle, I did feel for Alvin's struggle to do the right thing when the mother of what he thinks is his child rebukes him for it, I did feel for Pete at having to be tough on someone he loves to make them a better person, I did feel for Carlos for doing everything he can to make sure that his daughter never sees the horror around him, and I did feel for Sarah for being so desperate for a companion that she was willing to befriend a complete stranger who barges into her room. Explain to me how any of those motivations are "rehashed," and not the completely original "I want to protect my family" that defines the motivations of pretty much every character in S1E1.
And I noticed that you haven't said a peep about Katjaa or Duck. Is this perhaps because you can't help but admit that they were far less interesting than any of the S2 characters?
Scroll up, you have rephrased a point that was already made, I won't sit here and argue matters with someone who fights with the same questions repeatedly.
"Ben had story, we had story with Lilly, and Carley, all before the end of of the episode they were introduced in. We had no story with any of the characters in this episode (excluding Luke and Pete and Nick a tiny bit). We said hi, got put in a shed, and snuck around avoiding them. We avoided interaction with the characters, and even when we had the chance to interact with them while still sticking to the "earning trust" momentum they had going on we still had little to no interaction... We felt something for Lilly after the situation in the pharmacy with her dad nearly killing himself and then saving his life, we felt something for Carley after talking with her in the pharmacy and going to the motor inn and saving her over Doug (if you did so). We felt pity for Ben because he was abysmally pathetic. We have done nothing with the characters excluding Luke (who wasn't very dimensional) , Pete (who is already dead or soon will be) , and Nick (who is abysmally pathetic)." And whether you like it or not lack of story makes a bad story. You don't have conversations that matter. I didn't talk about Katjaa or Duck because I didn't read your post, because this conversation is growing tiresome and you are predictable. I'm sure anymore "questions" you have will have also been answered in the above comments. Scroll up.
Questions that you apparently refuse to answer. If you think you're answered them, then provide me with a quote from one of your posts above.
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I've looked and the closest you've come to addressing the points I raised was falsely stating that you don't have conversations with characters from Season 2, to which I responded by pointing out that you in fact do have conversations with each character and that they were sufficient to get an assessment of their personalities.
You also said something about "feeling" for certain characters because of your interactions with them. But feeling for a character and finding them interesting are two different things, as I have pointed out. And did I feel for Nick's struggle to find approval from his uncle, I did feel for Alvin's struggle to do the right thing when the mother of what he thinks is his child rebukes him for it, I did feel for Pete at having to be tough on someone he loves to make them a better … [view original content]
"Ben had story, we had story with Lilly, and Carley, all before the end of of the episode they were introduced in. We had no story with any of… more the characters in this episode (excluding Luke and Pete and Nick a tiny bit). We said hi, got put in a shed, and snuck around avoiding them. We avoided interaction with the characters, and even when we had the chance to interact with them while still sticking to the "earning trust" momentum they had going on we still had little to no interaction... We felt something for Lilly after the situation in the pharmacy with her dad nearly killing himself and then saving his life, we felt something for Carley after talking with her in the pharmacy and going to the motor inn and saving her over Doug (if you did so). We felt pity for Ben because he was abysmally pathetic. We have done nothing with the characters excluding Luke (who wasn't very dimensional) , Pete (who is already dead or soon will be) , and Nick (who … [view original content]
You seem obsessed with argueing points already made, and I have grown tired of the argument. Why continue on a path we have already been down? Scroll up. I agrue because I think I'm right, you agrue because you can't possibly be wrong. No hypocrisy since I said read what has already been said, while you say read what I have to say. You have a controlling personality and that doesn't come across well. But I'm sure you have a perplexing way of turning that around too, don't you? " Yeah, I think we're done here." Cool
I didn't talk about Katjaa or Duck because I didn't read your post,
Shocking. And not at all revealing of your deep hypocrisy in telli… moreng me to re-read your post despite not reading mine.
Also, these gems:
this conversation is growing tiresome and you are predictable.
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Yeah, I think we're done here.
Agreed. I didnt even felt like i was playing TWD. But I think we wil get more attached to the chars in the next episodes, and maybe have one Kenny look a like, not Nick, one char which is like an enemy, and a friend at the same time, there is the haters and the lovers...
It simply doesn't have the magic of the first series. I didn't even feel a thing about the new guys.Never really cared.While in the first seas… moreon I always had some interest in characters that appeared.Even the hobo had me go "Wow...the guy's got guts!" when he self-sacrificed to save the others.
Have you ever heard of puberty Foinikas? Girls can hit It very young (as young as grade 3 or 4, it's rare but possible) and she'd be in like grade 5 now if she's 11! My voice changed extremely fast in 16 months. I don't know maybe you haven't heard of puberty.
Clem's voice changes in one year from 10 to 11 years-old.She's not even 14 to 15 FFS.But that's just a minor thing.
You should notice that I … moresaid the characters were uninteresting.I found nothing special to them and most of them annoyed me. You don't have to lecture me on emotion,I'm a guy who played the first season 3 times and cried every single time at the end.The first season is an absolute masterpiece.I always felt involved in the decisions and the fights and the painful journey from Macon's Lee Drug Store to Savannah.I have the game in digital form and both retail versions original. I loved every bit of it.
But the new episode...is dull,is very very grim both stylistically and in the atmosphere and not the good kind of grim,it just feels remote and faceless.I love controlling Clementine and all and she's probably the only good aspect of the episode.
Guys im going to say this again in reply to similar posts. Give season 2 time to progress!! Maybe things won't please some of you but im confident they won't let us down
You completely missed the point. You're using one of the exact arguments that I think are completely BS and baseless. Basically you're saying "the first 20 minutes of that movie are better than the first 20 minutes of that one" or "The first chapter of that book was better than this one's", it's completely and utterly useless.
At the moment we have no idea what consequences the choices we made will have on the future. Once the entire Season is released what makes you think Episode 1 won't become the most liked of all ? S1E1 is symbolic because it is our FIRST time meeting Clementine, what makes you say that by the time the S2 ends we won't grow attached that much to another character like, say, Luke or Sarah ? We might then treasure every single interaction we had with them, eventually treasuring Episode 1 because it was the first time meeting that character.
I can understand people saying "I prefer S1E1" or things like that after all, to each their own and it's just stating a preference. But trying to justify it with those baseless arguments is really pathetic. That's like a movie critic leaving the theater after having seen only a fifth of the episode and call it crap compared to the previous one.
You say "You have to get the audience's attention from the beginning", I beg to differ. Remember 6th sense with Bruce Willis ? That movie's beginning was one of the most boring piece of shit I've ever seen yet the movie suddenly turned from crap to awesome in the last 10 minutes or so. You then come to see the events of the beginning of the movie with another mindset and enjoy it even more, it might be the same with Season 1, you get what I mean ?
I'll allow myself to judge only when I have the entire Season on my HDD, until then i'll only state preferences, because until then it's moot.
I'll remind you that Episode 1 of Season 1 was excellent in all aspects.It was one heck of a promising story and a great start.
And like the … morestory-teller taught Sahrazad in the 1001 tales movie: "You have to get the audience's attention from the beginning".
I too reserve my final judgement after all the episodes are released,but that won't mean that episode 1 wasn't a sub-par try in a series that has been epic beyond epic.
But the new episode...is dull,is very very grim both stylistically and in the atmosphere and not the good kind of grim,it just feels remote and faceless. Really? Well, that's mean this game is playing out perfectly. This is based off of the comic books of a series called "The Walking Dead", where no matter what you do, there are endless amounts of undead cannibalistic creatures that do nothing but eat people. No matter what, unless your brain is destroyed, you will eventually become a walker, no matter how you die. Clementine has witnessed a majority of the people she has ever met die, including her parents and her caretaker Lee. And now, in the first Episode of Season 2, you expect them to let everyone live and be completely likable characters? This is a world where no matter what, you will either become a walker or get shot in the head, and while you're surviving and everyone's dying around you, and some of the people you meet are either crazy or selfish and willing to only survive, you want this to be less GRIM. How can a situation like that ever be less GRIM. There not just going to miraculously find a cure or find a super-safe community (which would fall anyway because when people die of old age they would still reanimate and it would be Crawford all over again) in the first Episode? I think you're playing the wrong game and experiencing the wrong narrative there, buddy.
Clem's voice changes in one year from 10 to 11 years-old.She's not even 14 to 15 FFS.But that's just a minor thing.
You should notice that I … moresaid the characters were uninteresting.I found nothing special to them and most of them annoyed me. You don't have to lecture me on emotion,I'm a guy who played the first season 3 times and cried every single time at the end.The first season is an absolute masterpiece.I always felt involved in the decisions and the fights and the painful journey from Macon's Lee Drug Store to Savannah.I have the game in digital form and both retail versions original. I loved every bit of it.
But the new episode...is dull,is very very grim both stylistically and in the atmosphere and not the good kind of grim,it just feels remote and faceless.I love controlling Clementine and all and she's probably the only good aspect of the episode.
No I definetely agree with you on this Dan,actually that's what I am hoping for: That the next episodes will be GREAT!
I'm not bitching about the whole thing in this thread,I'm just saying that as a die-hard fan who LOVES this game series and this company...I just expected a FAR better episode than what I got.Than....what we got.
Personally I thought it would be better than 400 Days! Not saying that 400 Days was bad,on the contrary I'm saying that I thought that 400 Days was gonna be something like a small taste of the epicness that is coming in Season 2.Understand me now better?
Guys im going to say this again in reply to similar posts. Give season 2 time to progress!! Maybe things won't please some of you but im confident they won't let us down
You're exactly right. I'm one of the few people who wasn't a fan of S2 E1 as I had my problems with the narrative structure, Clem's dialogues … morein correlation to the 16 month skip and the writing. And this is coming from a big fan of the first season.
I'm riding on the last chance that maybe S2 E2 will prove for the shortcomings in the first episode. If not, I don't think I'll continue playing the rest of the season.
First of all,my arguements are not "baseless" and "pathetic".You gotta watch your language there.You can disagree,don't go around talking to me like that.
This isn't a movie.And this isn't a book.It's an episodic adventure game.Episodic....game.
It's like watching a series.There are episodes that are good and episodes that are bad.And episodes that are so and so.I never said the whole new season will suck.I don't know that, you don't know that.
All I'm saying,is my personal opinion here based on what I saw and "felt" about this first episode.And compared to the every single episode of Season 1 and the 400 days...it was soooo sub-par.It was so darn different.
You completely missed the point. You're using one of the exact arguments that I think are completely BS and baseless. Basically you're saying … more"the first 20 minutes of that movie are better than the first 20 minutes of that one" or "The first chapter of that book was better than this one's", it's completely and utterly useless.
At the moment we have no idea what consequences the choices we made will have on the future. Once the entire Season is released what makes you think Episode 1 won't become the most liked of all ? S1E1 is symbolic because it is our FIRST time meeting Clementine, what makes you say that by the time the S2 ends we won't grow attached that much to another character like, say, Luke or Sarah ? We might then treasure every single interaction we had with them, eventually treasuring Episode 1 because it was the first time meeting that character.
I can understand people saying "I prefer S1E1" or things like that after all, to e… [view original content]
I personally enjoyed episode 1. Yeah sure it was short and it was kinda hard to relate to all the characters we met, but, I know the rest of the episodes will be even better.
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Viva-La-Lee summed it up pretty nicely for me.
I'm a die-hard fan,it's my right to complain when I don't like something in the series.
I'll remind you that Episode 1 of Season 1 was excellent in all aspects.It was one heck of a promising story and a great start.
And like the story-teller taught Sahrazad in the 1001 tales movie: "You have to get the audience's attention from the beginning".
I too reserve my final judgement after all the episodes are released,but that won't mean that episode 1 wasn't a sub-par try in a series that has been epic beyond epic.
It simply doesn't have the magic of the first series. I didn't even feel a thing about the new guys.Never really cared.While in the first season I always had some interest in characters that appeared.Even the hobo had me go "Wow...the guy's got guts!" when he self-sacrificed to save the others.
Season 1 Ep 1 was introducing us to the setting as a whole. The characters were new to it as well. It pretty much writes itself. That's not something that you can do twice, sorry. Season 2 Ep 1 was about showing us what's going on with Clementine. It did that just fine. But I guess her voice is too old.
Completely agree. Ep 1 of season 1 was much better in terms of comparison. I attribute the drop I'm quality to the 2 writers who left.
Don't give me that sarcasm -_- I said her voice is the least of the problems.The whole episode was just...kind of empty of emotion and excitement.A couple of good ideas like the hand sewing and having Clem as the main character,but other than that it was sub-par to the worst episode of 400 Days.400 Days for me,was a much better addition to the series.
S1 started out at the very beginning of the apocalypse and showed things getting worse and worse as time went on. It made sense with the setting that the most of the doom and gloom were saved for later in the season, since that's when things would actually get doomy and gloomy. In Season 2, you're already in the thick of it, so it doesn't fit quite as well.
That being said, you are right that if the mood of the game continues on the same trajectory as S1, with things going from bad to worse, that's not going to be very interesting to the player. That's why I think the progression of the season this time around is going to be the reverse of S1. Instead of starting on a hopeful note and ending on a depressing one, I have a feeling that they're starting off depressed to have it be more fitting when they end with hope. For Clementine to get anything close to a happy ending at the end of this season, she's going to have to earn it with blood, sweat and tears. And I think that's what they're trying to do here.
Your point about providing players with more motivation still stands and seeing as how Clem actually has a group to interact with now, I think the next episode should be much better at doing that.
That's...not really an argument. I gave you my reasons for why the motor inn crew wasn't particularly interesting after just the first episode. The fact that you responded to that with an unsupported claim makes me think that you don't have any arguments to refute mine.
And I have played S1E1 quite a few times in fact. I just happen to be able to see it through non-rose-colored lenses.
I have given many examples, you are just ok with rehashed unitneresting characters where as I am not. That's what this entire conversation has been about. Want see me refute you claims? Scroll up.
You can't really make a fair comparison to the characters from season 1 and 2 yet as we have only just met them and there are 4 other episodes remaining where we could meet other interesting and memorable characters, Chuck didn't arrive until the middle of episode 3 and died in early episode 4 and we could easily meet someone with more guts than Chuck in this season. This is The Walking Dead and it not going to start with sunshine, rainbows and happiness, They have gone through two years of shit just trying to stay alive and always on the run so they have lost most of their hope and optimism. At least wait for all of season 2 to be released before saying the story or characters suck, I for one really enjoyed episode 1 and am really looking forward to the rest of the season and i didn't see anything wrong with the writing besides not enough dialogue options with the characters.
As far as I can tell, I've addressed all the points you made. If there are any that I missed kindly point them out and I will respond to them. Now allow me to do the same for you: I brought up reasons for why I think the S1 characters weren't that stellar in the first episode. You haven't addressed any of those points. If you disagree, go ahead. Show me how wrong I am. Defend why you think the Season 1 characters were so much more interesting than the Season 2 ones. What made Carley more interesting than Luke? What made Larry more interesting than Rebecca? What made Lilly or Kenny more interesting than Nick or Pete? Defend Katjaa. Defend Duck. Remember, you can only use what you know about them from Episode 1 of Season 1.
Scroll up, you have rephrased a point that was already made, I won't sit here and argue matters with someone who fights with the same questions repeatedly.
Thats so much bullshit from you. Even if episode 2 is half as "bad" as the first one you will surely play the rest of the season. Liar.
Questions that you apparently refuse to answer. If you think you're answered them, then provide me with a quote from one of your posts above.
I've looked and the closest you've come to addressing the points I raised was falsely stating that you don't have conversations with characters from Season 2, to which I responded by pointing out that you in fact do have conversations with each character and that they were sufficient to get an assessment of their personalities.
You also said something about "feeling" for certain characters because of your interactions with them. But feeling for a character and finding them interesting are two different things, as I have pointed out. And did I feel for Nick's struggle to find approval from his uncle, I did feel for Alvin's struggle to do the right thing when the mother of what he thinks is his child rebukes him for it, I did feel for Pete at having to be tough on someone he loves to make them a better person, I did feel for Carlos for doing everything he can to make sure that his daughter never sees the horror around him, and I did feel for Sarah for being so desperate for a companion that she was willing to befriend a complete stranger who barges into her room. Explain to me how any of those motivations are "rehashed," and not the completely original "I want to protect my family" that defines the motivations of pretty much every character in S1E1.
And I noticed that you haven't said a peep about Katjaa or Duck. Is this perhaps because you can't help but admit that they were far less interesting than any of the S2 characters?
"Ben had story, we had story with Lilly, and Carley, all before the end of of the episode they were introduced in. We had no story with any of the characters in this episode (excluding Luke and Pete and Nick a tiny bit). We said hi, got put in a shed, and snuck around avoiding them. We avoided interaction with the characters, and even when we had the chance to interact with them while still sticking to the "earning trust" momentum they had going on we still had little to no interaction... We felt something for Lilly after the situation in the pharmacy with her dad nearly killing himself and then saving his life, we felt something for Carley after talking with her in the pharmacy and going to the motor inn and saving her over Doug (if you did so). We felt pity for Ben because he was abysmally pathetic. We have done nothing with the characters excluding Luke (who wasn't very dimensional) , Pete (who is already dead or soon will be) , and Nick (who is abysmally pathetic)." And whether you like it or not lack of story makes a bad story. You don't have conversations that matter. I didn't talk about Katjaa or Duck because I didn't read your post, because this conversation is growing tiresome and you are predictable. I'm sure anymore "questions" you have will have also been answered in the above comments. Scroll up.
Shocking. And not at all revealing of your deep hypocrisy in telling me to re-read your post despite not reading mine.
Also, these gems:
Yeah, I think we're done here.
You seem obsessed with argueing points already made, and I have grown tired of the argument. Why continue on a path we have already been down? Scroll up. I agrue because I think I'm right, you agrue because you can't possibly be wrong. No hypocrisy since I said read what has already been said, while you say read what I have to say. You have a controlling personality and that doesn't come across well. But I'm sure you have a perplexing way of turning that around too, don't you? " Yeah, I think we're done here." Cool
Agreed. I didnt even felt like i was playing TWD. But I think we wil get more attached to the chars in the next episodes, and maybe have one Kenny look a like, not Nick, one char which is like an enemy, and a friend at the same time, there is the haters and the lovers...
You're not suppose to care a lot! You're supposed to wonder who will trust you and who won't that's the point.
Have you ever heard of puberty Foinikas? Girls can hit It very young (as young as grade 3 or 4, it's rare but possible) and she'd be in like grade 5 now if she's 11! My voice changed extremely fast in 16 months. I don't know maybe you haven't heard of puberty.
Guys im going to say this again in reply to similar posts. Give season 2 time to progress!! Maybe things won't please some of you but im confident they won't let us down
You completely missed the point. You're using one of the exact arguments that I think are completely BS and baseless. Basically you're saying "the first 20 minutes of that movie are better than the first 20 minutes of that one" or "The first chapter of that book was better than this one's", it's completely and utterly useless.
At the moment we have no idea what consequences the choices we made will have on the future. Once the entire Season is released what makes you think Episode 1 won't become the most liked of all ? S1E1 is symbolic because it is our FIRST time meeting Clementine, what makes you say that by the time the S2 ends we won't grow attached that much to another character like, say, Luke or Sarah ? We might then treasure every single interaction we had with them, eventually treasuring Episode 1 because it was the first time meeting that character.
I can understand people saying "I prefer S1E1" or things like that after all, to each their own and it's just stating a preference. But trying to justify it with those baseless arguments is really pathetic. That's like a movie critic leaving the theater after having seen only a fifth of the episode and call it crap compared to the previous one.
You say "You have to get the audience's attention from the beginning", I beg to differ. Remember 6th sense with Bruce Willis ? That movie's beginning was one of the most boring piece of shit I've ever seen yet the movie suddenly turned from crap to awesome in the last 10 minutes or so. You then come to see the events of the beginning of the movie with another mindset and enjoy it even more, it might be the same with Season 1, you get what I mean ?
I'll allow myself to judge only when I have the entire Season on my HDD, until then i'll only state preferences, because until then it's moot.
Guys Why are You saying that its dull and boring omfg its episode one calm down it might get better why are you jumping to conclusions!!!
But the new episode...is dull,is very very grim both stylistically and in the atmosphere and not the good kind of grim,it just feels remote and faceless. Really? Well, that's mean this game is playing out perfectly. This is based off of the comic books of a series called "The Walking Dead", where no matter what you do, there are endless amounts of undead cannibalistic creatures that do nothing but eat people. No matter what, unless your brain is destroyed, you will eventually become a walker, no matter how you die. Clementine has witnessed a majority of the people she has ever met die, including her parents and her caretaker Lee. And now, in the first Episode of Season 2, you expect them to let everyone live and be completely likable characters? This is a world where no matter what, you will either become a walker or get shot in the head, and while you're surviving and everyone's dying around you, and some of the people you meet are either crazy or selfish and willing to only survive, you want this to be less GRIM. How can a situation like that ever be less GRIM. There not just going to miraculously find a cure or find a super-safe community (which would fall anyway because when people die of old age they would still reanimate and it would be Crawford all over again) in the first Episode? I think you're playing the wrong game and experiencing the wrong narrative there, buddy.
No I definetely agree with you on this Dan,actually that's what I am hoping for: That the next episodes will be GREAT!
I'm not bitching about the whole thing in this thread,I'm just saying that as a die-hard fan who LOVES this game series and this company...I just expected a FAR better episode than what I got.Than....what we got.
Personally I thought it would be better than 400 Days! Not saying that 400 Days was bad,on the contrary I'm saying that I thought that 400 Days was gonna be something like a small taste of the epicness that is coming in Season 2.Understand me now better?
sigh Telltale, please release episode 2 before people start to lose their minds. -___-.....oh wait its too late.
If it doesn't, I'll still play. I mean, I have the fucking season pass, so... May as well use it.
First of all,my arguements are not "baseless" and "pathetic".You gotta watch your language there.You can disagree,don't go around talking to me like that.
This isn't a movie.And this isn't a book.It's an episodic adventure game.Episodic....game.
It's like watching a series.There are episodes that are good and episodes that are bad.And episodes that are so and so.I never said the whole new season will suck.I don't know that, you don't know that.
All I'm saying,is my personal opinion here based on what I saw and "felt" about this first episode.And compared to the every single episode of Season 1 and the 400 days...it was soooo sub-par.It was so darn different.
I personally enjoyed episode 1. Yeah sure it was short and it was kinda hard to relate to all the characters we met, but, I know the rest of the episodes will be even better.