Could you say it was kennys fault that ----- died?
do you think its right to say that kenny kinda got carley killed? i mean like :
Kenny refused to vote
If he was a better driver he would not have of hit that walker that stopped the RV
He didnt try to defend carley
he got everyones attention by asking " now what the fucks the problem " even though we were shouting about if for a while, this causes carley to get shot.
Im probably going to get around 249348 downvotes for hating on kenny... what are your thoughts?
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Nobody can be blamed but Lilly... She was the one who shot her...
then what about ben? everyone is blaming ben for....
Carley/Doug,
Duck,
Katjaa,
Brie,
Charles death?
Ben did cause them indirectly because he was giving the bandits medicine which made Lilly paranoid in the first place and made the bandits attack, but at the end of the day Lilly killed her.
Nnno, it's mostly Ben's teenage stupidity mixed with Lilly's paranoia that caused Carley/Doug's death.
I think all those points could be answered with "Carley/Ben was about to get shot anyway"
they would've say lilly draw for her gun.
Lilly's paranoia was exacerbated by Kenny's actions.
Kenny caused Lilly's paranoia directly anyway.
Besides, I'm not sure we can call it 'paranoia'. Paranoia would be if she thought supplies were being stolen and they weren't. But they were.
God dammit, don't you see it? It was DUCKS fault! He started everything! Bandit's wouldn't attack, they would take supplies and go. Lee took supplies before they did it. Alone, he'd NEVER find it! Too URBAN. It was DUCK who helped him, gave clues, duck and his super detective skills. DUCK is responsible for all mess, Lilly's madness, Carley's death and everything what happened after.
I don't think Kenny can be blamed for this. He DID vote, he voted to stop what they were doing. Lilly was going to carry on with her inquisition regardless of the RV being stopped or not, the walker just gave her an excuse. Kenny obviously had no idea EXACTLY what was going on with them, because he was concentrated on getting the walker out from under the RV, so he didn't even know that Carley or Ben NEEDED to be defended. As for getting everyone's attention, well, he wanted to know what was happening. That seems pretty reasonable given all the shouting and swearing that was going on.
You can't really blame Kenny for anyone's death solely by his actions during the argument. If you want to blame anyone right there, you can blame Ben for not coming clean. HOWEVER, you CAN blame Kenny for Lilly being in that state of mind to begin with, because of what happened in the meat locker. Pre-Dead-Father Lilly wouldn't have pulled that trigger. But his actions in the meat locker are really another discussion entirely, as well.
Correction: Ben told the group that you turn into a walker no matter what. If they hadn't known that, Kenny would never have salt-licked Larry.
Add another to the Murder List.
Ben was to blame for almost everyone's death in Season 1 except Mark and Larry's
Larry was already a walking bomb, and the St. John's were the match. Kenny just put out the flames from the explosion, so-to-speak. And Carley wasn't there when Larry died, kept the group safe, did what she was told, etc. Lilly had no reason to shoot Carley except for her own problems, which made her unfit as leader to begin with. People blame Ben, people blame Lee, people blame Clem, people blame Duck, meh, I blame Lilly as I've said before for people's deaths, but what can ya do? I say let by-gone's be by-gone's unless/until Kenny or Lilly show up again. Just how I feel.
Agreed completely. You can even blame Carley for her own death (as much as it pains me to say - I liked her!) indirectly - she shouldn't have been sassing a woman clearly on edge who was also carrying a gun. They needed to try talking down Lily - she was WAY too emotional after what happened with her dad. Carley was stuck in a case of "you mess with the bull, you get the horns" and this particular argument with Lily got her killed. She wasn't wrong for standing up for herself, but going up against an emotionally unstable person who already doesn't like you WITH A GUN is a bad move. It was definitely also Ben's fault for not saying anything (but he would have probably gotten killed and he saw this, so he kept quiet), which in turn also gets Doug killed.
Bullshit. Ben saved four lives. Larry was responsible for his own death but Kenny killed him. And Lee, if you helped.
Well, put it this way: Ben doesn't do the deal with the bandits, bandits don't attack, Duck doesn't get bitten,Carley/Doug doesn't die. So i think it's safe to assume Ben triggered these events unwillingly. Now to answer your question, i think Lily wouldn't leave until someone was "punished" whether or not Kenny had a say in it.
I DID help Kenny, I was just making a joke. Besides, Ben's list of murders is long enough as it is already. It's run out of room for new names.
LOL
"Ben doesn't do the deal with the bandits, bandits don't attack." They don't? Ben, greedy asshole, we're leaving you alone? Bye?
Well, like it or not Ben still is the one to blame for what happened at the motor inn. Now granted, Ben wasn't in a position to refuse the bandits, but he could at least warn the group about it,thus giving them time to prepare in case the bandits decide to attack.
I think you can only really blame Lilly.
Techinally yes you could blame Ben and Kenny (perhaps Lee and Carley/Doug) for making her unstable but if that works surely you should blame the st johns for causing Larry's death and the bandits for the loss of the motel as well. And therefore you should blame the zombies, there the root cause of everything
what's weird is that everyone that is in trouble and that needs help is in danger because you can only pick one person and that person that you save dies anyway later on.
It wasn't first bandits assault, group couldn't be more prepared. People blame Ben and he only wanted to stop the attacks.
I like how people dislike my comment without providing evidence to the contrary. Cute.
Lilly trusts people less after Kenny and possibly Lee help to kill her dad. This is logical.
No one can really be blamed but Lily for being the one to pull the trigger.
I can't even blame Ben for anything but giving the bandits medicine without asking the leaders of the group and letting his guilt control him.
Reminded me of this:
Did people notice that if you say the names on the list in time with the trumpet, it all fits? I thought that was cool.
Doesn't matter.. Carley/Doug are dead. Playing the blame game is pointless. Like blaming Ben, we can all argue if he was at fault for anyones death, but it wont change anything. Put a bullet in the brain and move on!
I know he meant well,the game even tries to make us sympathize with him. But at the same time it also shows us that he indirectly caused this chain of events. Now, we could also say the whole group caused this when they destroyed the dairy. That should make everybody happy right?
It was Lily's fault for ya know shooting her in the face..........
How ridiculous and what a fucked up logic. How can it be anyone but Lilly's fault ?
She shot Carley in the face, she killed her.
She was not in self-defense situation.
She was not a soldier in war time given order to shoot.
Even if she began to develop paranoid thoughts, she was nowhere near schizophrenic paranoid or mentally insane.
Nobody pressured Lilly to kill Carley. Lilly and Lilly alone made that decision - in cold blood might I add (I clearly remember, and anybody can look for themselves, how she waits for everyone to turn their heads, then slowly, calmly draws her gun... And her cold, remorseless face after she pulled the trigger...).
Rejecting the responsibility on any other person than Lilly is just crazy.
And/or white-knighting at its worst...
"No, no, women are good, women are not capable of evil deeds, women can't really be murderers ! It can't be Lilly's entire fault... There must be another explanation, another responsibility at play... Oh wait, there's this hillbillish straight white male with a moustache, incarnation of everything we hate in this world, let's find a way he is responsible after all !"
Oh, the worst kind of thread for me, should I agree and start hating on the Kenny fanboys, or disagree and hate on Carley fanboys? Its too much for me.
) 2. Ben (for having Doug save him) 3. Lilly and again, lastly Kenny
Well, anyway, in terms of fault, if it was Carley on the road, then fault lies with 1. Lilly, 2. Ben, 3. Carley (for her goading Lilly a bit) and lastly Kenny.
If it was Doug, then 1. Doug (for saving Ben
I couldn't symphathise with Ben after how he (directly or indirectly doesn't come into it in this case) caused - for e at least - Carley's death sob.
Larry being risky doesn't mean it'd be logical for his daughter to agree to his killing or not suffer for it
It's still her fault, just because she was paranoid and that that maybe Carely was the one giving the bandits supplies, that is no reason to shoot her. No, Lilly shot Carely because Carely insulted her(called her a "scared little girl, etc"). She's a murderer, and sure, maybe her paranoia is caused by Kenny and Lee, but killing Carely? That was all on her.
Can you blame Clem for the death of Lee?
Actually yeah (at least indirectly) thats why she blames herself, if she hadnt believed the stranger and gone outside Lee would never have been bit.
Nope she didn't change about trusting people in ep1 she didn't trust Lee in ep2 she didn't trust Ben she always didn't trust strangers
Would you blame the stranger for Lee's bite and Kenny's death (if he is really dead)?
Yes the stranger is the main cause along with the walker that actually bites but clem did play a role in it (though not intentionally)
In the same way it can be argued that Katjaa's death is still her fault, as she chose to commit suicide, so Ben wasn't responsible.
If I was in the position where I thought everyone in the group hated me and were plotting behind my back, and then Carley insulted me and basically said I had done a shit job, I would probably snap. I wouldn't shoot her, no, but then again my dad hasn't been murdered.