I tried to save Larry and when Kenny killed him our relationship became very strained leading up to the fight in ep 3 but I wouldn't say it was murder even though I wanted to try and save him.There is a big difference between the death of Larry and the outright Pre-Meditated murder of Carley
Larry may have been "charming" but he was an asshole who I had planned to kill if given the chance. However Telltale and their master writing made me try to save him.
Larry may have been "charming" but he was an asshole who I had planned to kill if given the chance. However Telltale and their master writing made me try to save him.
Do you know whats ironic, I used to love Kenny but some of his fanbase are just awful. I've read some of the things people have said to Undead and it actually disgusts me. Unacceptable how rude some people are. I do like Lilly. My favourite character? No, but atleast the Lilly's fans are collected and show restraint and don't undermine everything other people say. Im not saying all the Kenny fans are like this, not by a long shot, but some need lessons in etiquette and fast. Seriously...grow up
That's the point, You side with Kenny: Lily will be a bitch,
You side with Lily: Kenny will be an asshole. But it's your decision so why hate the character when it was your decisions that resulted in his feelings towards you?
Flawed logic is flawed because hating something because their fans are assholes is stupid. If that's how shit worked I'd hate all the consoles and PC because their fans are assholes.
Do you know whats ironic, I used to love Kenny but some of his fanbase are just awful. I've read some of the things people have said to Undead… more and it actually disgusts me. Unacceptable how rude some people are. I do like Lilly. My favourite character? No, but atleast the Lilly's fans are collected and show restraint and don't undermine everything other people say. Im not saying all the Kenny fans are like this, not by a long shot, but some need lessons in etiquette and fast. Seriously...grow up
If you're saying it's our decisions that impact things... then how can we have this conversation at all? Basically it makes any conversation about this subject impossible because we influence what they do.
Kenny, no matter what, is always out for his family. Lilly wasn't like that - she was the one with the tough decisions. She decided who got food, and that's a pretty touch job. Like Larry said, she had more balls than any of the men in the group.
That's the point, You side with Kenny: Lily will be a bitch,
You side with Lily: Kenny will be an asshole. But it's your decision so why hate the character when it was your decisions that resulted in his feelings towards you?
I Can kinda agree with you with that Kenny's 90% dead , but as of lily , no one knows for sure if shes dead or not , just because they showed Kenny getting chased by the walkers does not exactly been that hes dead same with lily , hell Clementine saying i thought you were dead could mean Christa is alive making this argument completely pointless. Also when Clementine last saw Lily depending if you chose her to stay in the RV and she steals it couldn't make any sense if Clementine says " I thought you were dead " because she technically saw her alive or left behind as well. With Kenny it would make kinda sense , sense she technically saw him alive then when lee picked her up it could of been obvious he was dead sense lee told her to meet with Omid and Christa. Then again it could be Christa because Clementine actually "Thought " she died but didn't really see her die.
I'm not gonna lie, i've always sided with Kenny during S1. So yeah, you could say i'm on team Kenny. Do i hate Lily? No, can't really say i do. Would i be glad if Kenny turns out to be in season 2? Hell yeah ! Then again, part of me is inclined to believe Lily has more chance of making an appearance than Kenny based on what the game showed us thus far. Now moving on to the Kenny vs Lily business, i agree there are some Kenny fans who take the hating and bashing a little to far... But the haters are no better either ! First thing that comes to mind is back in S1, Ep3, most of the people shot Duck not because they thought it was the right thing to do, but rather because they hated Kenny and they found Duck annoying. So i guess this goes to show a little of both worlds.
You can have the conversation, but it will just keep going around in circles.
Wasn't she in charge of rations anyway? So that's her job? And Kenny was never in for just his family. Remember when he said if you dont' feed him or the kids that he goes off because you didn't feed the kids? the kids i.e Clementine and Duck. Whoever you side with Kenny will care about his family and Lily will care more about her and her father, but both can have positive relationships with Lee depending on your choice.
But the way you played the game, of course Kenny is going to not care as much for you, you sided against him, It's like me saying that about Lily when i sided against her, what do you expect?
If you're saying it's our decisions that impact things... then how can we have this conversation at all? Basically it makes any conversation a… morebout this subject impossible because we influence what they do.
Kenny, no matter what, is always out for his family. Lilly wasn't like that - she was the one with the tough decisions. She decided who got food, and that's a pretty touch job. Like Larry said, she had more balls than any of the men in the group.
I agree that Kenny was a central character to Season 1 and he went through a massive personal/emotional development throughout and he did have a mixed bag of equally good and bad moments. However, this makes it even more appropriate for Lily to be the returned character. There is so much potential for her character and we already know a lot about Kenny and his background, plus he's been given a lot of screen-time, a lot more than Lily. Therefore, I think Lily would be a better choice since we could get to know her more and it would be interesting to see how she survived and what she's become after losing everything and being defenseless, however it would be great to find out what happened to Kenny.
I think that if you left Lilly on the side of the road than you will see her dead in season 2 but if she stole the camper then you will see her alive in season 2. I might be wrong.
When did I ever say I hated Kenny? I used to love him, but now seeing how rude Kenny supporters are its made me think twice. I dont think thats flawed logic. If people like a character for whatever reason its usually because they agree with their morals. Wouldn't that mean they might have a similar personality? Also I think whats flawed logic is comparing Kenny to consoles and inanimate objects. They don't have a personality, Kenny does. Hes an archetype of a person. A Console is just a box. The fans will differ.
Flawed logic is flawed because hating something because their fans are assholes is stupid. If that's how shit worked I'd hate all the consoles and PC because their fans are assholes.
Lily, likelihood: 8. It is most likely Lily. Given her survivalistic personality it is likely she survived. Her character would be easy to throw back into the game now that it is indeed confirmed she is not Lily Caul. She is also likely to join bandits (their appearances give me that impression) and I caught a hint of hesitance when Clementine saw the 'dead' person. She'd most definitely feel hesitant to approach Lily given their past. It is also believable that Clementine would believe Lily would have passed, especially if she was ditched.
Kenny, likelihood: 5. It is less likely he survived than Lily. In both of his endings he is boxed in, a sure death sentence in The Walking Dead. Although he definitely had the perseverance, I believe he had lost it when everything he loved died. "I either save a kid or see them again" evidently surviving wasn't even on his mind... However Kenny would never give up, not till the bitter end. Looking at the statement "I thought you were dead" definitely relates to Kenny the most given the almost too obvious death he had.. Also it's a little too much of a coincidence that in both of his ends we don't actually see him die. Apparently Telltale noted how they wanted to explore his character more in season two and how would that be possible if he were in fact dead? He may be a hand short, he may be broken in every sense but could it be Kenny? Could he be this series's Tyreese? Here's hoping.
Christa, likelihood: 4. It wouldn't be so dramatic if it were simply Christa, a character we saw only an episode prior. She would, however, be in the vicinity and it's understandable if Clementine believed she was dead... However as depressing as it sounds I believe just that. I think she's done. I don't see her joining bandits given her reluctance to join groups... Unless those guys that attacked her are also apart of the group seen in the trailer. They could have brought her with them and upon seeing her many skills may actually opt to let her join them. This is wishful thinking though, RIP.
Molly, likelihood: 3. A character we'd all like to see revisited, it's lost potential otherwise. However it is unlikely, unless Clementine wasn't brought to Crawford, that Clementine would believe she was dead. She would, however, fit in with bandits quite well.
Bathroom Robber, likelihood: 2. It wouldn't have that much of a dramatic effect if the character wasn't formally from season one. Also a hunting rifle round hit her straight in the gut and given the blood it's likely it nearly passed right through her. Only support is that she most definitely seemed like the bandit type, Clementine would definitely believe she were dead, and I doubt Christa had the compassion to bury her. More likely she left her there to 'rot'.
Danny St. John, likelihood: 1. I can't stress the unlikelihood that he survived. Even if spared the walkers should have ended him. However he was randomly highlighted in the opening trailer. It's at least possible that he could survive Lee's attack, extremely doubtful though. Clementine would likely be more horrified if it were him as well.
How I see it, higher the number the more likely.
Lily, likelihood: 8. It is most likely Lily. Given her survivalistic personality it is lik… moreely she survived. Her character would be easy to throw back into the game now that it is indeed confirmed she is not Lily Caul. She is also likely to join bandits (their appearances give me that impression) and I caught a hint of hesitance when Clementine saw the 'dead' person. She'd most definitely feel hesitant to approach Lily given their past. It is also believable that Clementine would believe Lily would have passed, especially if she was ditched.
Kenny, likelihood: 5. It is less likely he survived than Lily. In both of his endings he is boxed in, a sure death sentence in The Walking Dead. Although he definitely had the perseverance, I believe he had lost it when everything he loved died. "I either save a kid or see them again" evidently surviving wasn't even on his mind... However Kenny would never… [view original content]
I just think its really unlikely that Lilly will reappear because of Road to Woodbury.
Initially, the game and comic books were supposed to be intertwined, but Road to Woodbury was contradictory to what happened in the game. As much as i loved Lilly from Season 1, I just think Telltale wants to shy away from any inconsistencies with the comic, so that the game and story can be in the same world, even if they no longer have any common characters or settings. Even IF the Lilly in the game is rewritten as a different person, the fact that she was supposed to be the same one as in the comic, might make people think the series arent in the same world.
I think its very probable that Kenny will reappear, in spite of the fact that if he gets caught defending Ben, hes in a situation where he had absolutely no means of escape, whereas the hole in the building is much more ambiguous. Also, the option to burn the picture of Kenny's family seems to point that that choice might have some effect in the future
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I think you mean nerds. (Or whatever Molly called them...)
I tried to save Larry and when Kenny killed him our relationship became very strained leading up to the fight in ep 3 but I wouldn't say it was murder even though I wanted to try and save him.There is a big difference between the death of Larry and the outright Pre-Meditated murder of Carley
Larry may have been "charming" but he was an asshole who I had planned to kill if given the chance. However Telltale and their master writing made me try to save him.
I never wanted him dead because I could understand why he didn't trust me,wouldn't have minded getting to throw a punch at him though
Do you know whats ironic, I used to love Kenny but some of his fanbase are just awful. I've read some of the things people have said to Undead and it actually disgusts me. Unacceptable how rude some people are. I do like Lilly. My favourite character? No, but atleast the Lilly's fans are collected and show restraint and don't undermine everything other people say. Im not saying all the Kenny fans are like this, not by a long shot, but some need lessons in etiquette and fast. Seriously...grow up
That's the point, You side with Kenny: Lily will be a bitch,
You side with Lily: Kenny will be an asshole. But it's your decision so why hate the character when it was your decisions that resulted in his feelings towards you?
Flawed logic is flawed because hating something because their fans are assholes is stupid. If that's how shit worked I'd hate all the consoles and PC because their fans are assholes.
If you're saying it's our decisions that impact things... then how can we have this conversation at all? Basically it makes any conversation about this subject impossible because we influence what they do.
Kenny, no matter what, is always out for his family. Lilly wasn't like that - she was the one with the tough decisions. She decided who got food, and that's a pretty touch job. Like Larry said, she had more balls than any of the men in the group.
I Can kinda agree with you with that Kenny's 90% dead , but as of lily , no one knows for sure if shes dead or not , just because they showed Kenny getting chased by the walkers does not exactly been that hes dead same with lily , hell Clementine saying i thought you were dead could mean Christa is alive making this argument completely pointless. Also when Clementine last saw Lily depending if you chose her to stay in the RV and she steals it couldn't make any sense if Clementine says " I thought you were dead " because she technically saw her alive or left behind as well. With Kenny it would make kinda sense , sense she technically saw him alive then when lee picked her up it could of been obvious he was dead sense lee told her to meet with Omid and Christa. Then again it could be Christa because Clementine actually "Thought " she died but didn't really see her die.
I'm not gonna lie, i've always sided with Kenny during S1. So yeah, you could say i'm on team Kenny. Do i hate Lily? No, can't really say i do. Would i be glad if Kenny turns out to be in season 2? Hell yeah ! Then again, part of me is inclined to believe Lily has more chance of making an appearance than Kenny based on what the game showed us thus far. Now moving on to the Kenny vs Lily business, i agree there are some Kenny fans who take the hating and bashing a little to far... But the haters are no better either ! First thing that comes to mind is back in S1, Ep3, most of the people shot Duck not because they thought it was the right thing to do, but rather because they hated Kenny and they found Duck annoying. So i guess this goes to show a little of both worlds.
You can have the conversation, but it will just keep going around in circles.
Wasn't she in charge of rations anyway? So that's her job? And Kenny was never in for just his family. Remember when he said if you dont' feed him or the kids that he goes off because you didn't feed the kids? the kids i.e Clementine and Duck. Whoever you side with Kenny will care about his family and Lily will care more about her and her father, but both can have positive relationships with Lee depending on your choice.
But the way you played the game, of course Kenny is going to not care as much for you, you sided against him, It's like me saying that about Lily when i sided against her, what do you expect?
I agree that Kenny was a central character to Season 1 and he went through a massive personal/emotional development throughout and he did have a mixed bag of equally good and bad moments. However, this makes it even more appropriate for Lily to be the returned character. There is so much potential for her character and we already know a lot about Kenny and his background, plus he's been given a lot of screen-time, a lot more than Lily. Therefore, I think Lily would be a better choice since we could get to know her more and it would be interesting to see how she survived and what she's become after losing everything and being defenseless, however it would be great to find out what happened to Kenny.
I think that if you left Lilly on the side of the road than you will see her dead in season 2 but if she stole the camper then you will see her alive in season 2. I might be wrong.
That would be a pretty interesting way to connect the two seasons together.
When did I ever say I hated Kenny? I used to love him, but now seeing how rude Kenny supporters are its made me think twice. I dont think thats flawed logic. If people like a character for whatever reason its usually because they agree with their morals. Wouldn't that mean they might have a similar personality? Also I think whats flawed logic is comparing Kenny to consoles and inanimate objects. They don't have a personality, Kenny does. Hes an archetype of a person. A Console is just a box. The fans will differ.
Nah she called them geeks. Im pretty sure because I have a degree in zombieology, the study of zombies and their multiple names.
How I see it, higher the number the more likely.
Lily, likelihood: 8. It is most likely Lily. Given her survivalistic personality it is likely she survived. Her character would be easy to throw back into the game now that it is indeed confirmed she is not Lily Caul. She is also likely to join bandits (their appearances give me that impression) and I caught a hint of hesitance when Clementine saw the 'dead' person. She'd most definitely feel hesitant to approach Lily given their past. It is also believable that Clementine would believe Lily would have passed, especially if she was ditched.
Kenny, likelihood: 5. It is less likely he survived than Lily. In both of his endings he is boxed in, a sure death sentence in The Walking Dead. Although he definitely had the perseverance, I believe he had lost it when everything he loved died. "I either save a kid or see them again" evidently surviving wasn't even on his mind... However Kenny would never give up, not till the bitter end. Looking at the statement "I thought you were dead" definitely relates to Kenny the most given the almost too obvious death he had.. Also it's a little too much of a coincidence that in both of his ends we don't actually see him die. Apparently Telltale noted how they wanted to explore his character more in season two and how would that be possible if he were in fact dead? He may be a hand short, he may be broken in every sense but could it be Kenny? Could he be this series's Tyreese? Here's hoping.
Christa, likelihood: 4. It wouldn't be so dramatic if it were simply Christa, a character we saw only an episode prior. She would, however, be in the vicinity and it's understandable if Clementine believed she was dead... However as depressing as it sounds I believe just that. I think she's done. I don't see her joining bandits given her reluctance to join groups... Unless those guys that attacked her are also apart of the group seen in the trailer. They could have brought her with them and upon seeing her many skills may actually opt to let her join them. This is wishful thinking though, RIP.
Molly, likelihood: 3. A character we'd all like to see revisited, it's lost potential otherwise. However it is unlikely, unless Clementine wasn't brought to Crawford, that Clementine would believe she was dead. She would, however, fit in with bandits quite well.
Bathroom Robber, likelihood: 2. It wouldn't have that much of a dramatic effect if the character wasn't formally from season one. Also a hunting rifle round hit her straight in the gut and given the blood it's likely it nearly passed right through her. Only support is that she most definitely seemed like the bandit type, Clementine would definitely believe she were dead, and I doubt Christa had the compassion to bury her. More likely she left her there to 'rot'.
Danny St. John, likelihood: 1. I can't stress the unlikelihood that he survived. Even if spared the walkers should have ended him. However he was randomly highlighted in the opening trailer. It's at least possible that he could survive Lee's attack, extremely doubtful though. Clementine would likely be more horrified if it were him as well.
This says it all folks!
I just think its really unlikely that Lilly will reappear because of Road to Woodbury.
Initially, the game and comic books were supposed to be intertwined, but Road to Woodbury was contradictory to what happened in the game. As much as i loved Lilly from Season 1, I just think Telltale wants to shy away from any inconsistencies with the comic, so that the game and story can be in the same world, even if they no longer have any common characters or settings. Even IF the Lilly in the game is rewritten as a different person, the fact that she was supposed to be the same one as in the comic, might make people think the series arent in the same world.
I think its very probable that Kenny will reappear, in spite of the fact that if he gets caught defending Ben, hes in a situation where he had absolutely no means of escape, whereas the hole in the building is much more ambiguous. Also, the option to burn the picture of Kenny's family seems to point that that choice might have some effect in the future