I think Kenny is a good man who makes decisions to quickly and is too stubborn about his decisions. I also think he let his guilt get to him, so that he had to force himself to believe that what he did was right.
I actually supported Kenny in most arguments, except for the ones concerning killing Larry, stealing from someone's car, and letting Ben go.
I don't know, there were times when Lee and Kenny fought, but I never got that part, and he still supported me, and refused to let Lee go on h… moreis own to look for Clementine.
I guess we just had different games, and therefore have a different view on the character.
Not really, some peopel are actually managing to be rational here. Which is a surprise. It's just a few people that are dragging the thread down and resorting to insults and are in general being negative in rude. I suggest you just ignore them.
Yeah honestly neither care about Clementine really. Lilly leaves regardless and Kenny ONLY helps if your his friend as Lee, (if you count sidi… moreng with him on everything as friendship) If Kenny cared about clem he would always go with Lee t find her but he dosn't.
Honestly it depends on your viewpoint and personal play through, but overall neither cared about clementine especially, they both just saw her as a kid who needed protection like any other adult in the group
agreed,bunch of hot headed pricks is what they are,I wish lilly is absolutely dead,and what Telltale meant kenny fate will be explored is that he will return as a walker
I think both characters are well written and have some great character development. That being said, OH MY GOD (these are my personal feelings… more, I respect how others feel, and in no way think people are lesser for disagreeing with me) I HATE LILLY SOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH ! I helped her try to save her dad and what does she do, kill one of the most useful people ever. Also she was a complete B**** when I first met her. Though to be fair she grew on me over episode two and I was really sympathetic to her during most of episode 3, but she messed it all up and did something completely irrational and unforgivable. For the record I don't think what Kenny did in the meat locker was anymore forgivable but at least there was some method to his madness, I could see were he was coming from at the very least, I didn't agree with him but still. Lilly however couldn't deal with her emotion and FREAKS OUT, and kills a group member. She feels bad for what she did sure,… [view original content]
Lily is my favorite character I hope she will appear in Season 2!
I think if you was on Lily's side all the time in Season 1 then you will see her when Clementine says: I thought you were dead.
If you pick the middle of the road (or even side with Kenny), you can still have rational conversations with Lilly and DISCUSS your course of action. With Kenny, its his way or the highway, theres no discussion, he just berates you. Hell, the number 1 reason i started siding with Lilly was after we first got back at the motor inn in Ep.2
We get back and they both start going off at eachother, and I pick the middle of the road option, not because its "the nice guy" thing to do, its so we can stop the stupid pointless yelling and discuss things like adults. Kenny walks off berating me for not picking sides and Lilly angrily tells me to distribute the rations. At that moment I felt like I could only count on Mark and Doug. Then I talk to Kenny and its more of the same crap about how I dont look out for him BS. Then I talk to Lilly and we have a rational conversation, even when I talk about leaving the motor inn. Given her much better conversational skills, it even convinced me to give her food (even though she wouldnt accept it from me at first) and I considered her a good friend from then on.
Long post. Guess what?
If you have Kenny's back when it matters, he has yours.
Majority of people who get sour with Kenny think they can… more not back him or play the middle and that they should reap the benefits of not-picking-sides just because you're a nice guy, but not going out on a limb for anybody else means nobody goes out on a limb for you.
Want to talk about the pharmacy? Ok. Kenny was supportive of getting Larry his medication, even after he threatened his son. Kenny comes back and saves your ass when Larry knocks you flat, even if you're an asshole to him or his family. Quite frankly when he counts on you to take Larry out, you should have his back. If you don't, you're letting him, the group, and Clem down.
Being trapped in a meat locker with the girl you're supposed to take care of with a giant guy who could at any second reanimate and kill all of you calls for taking him out. He had a serious heart attack, he's unconscious, … [view original content]
yeah I agree. The only reason she was always incredibly pissed off with everyone was because she felt that they didn't appreciate all the stuff she was doing and didn't feel secure enough within the group - for example she asked Lee to investigate the stolen supplies. A zombie apocalypse is stressful, and dealing with people who you think doubt your leadership can be very annoying, especially with the supposed running battle between her and Kenny. In some ways I do feel sorry for her, because she felt she led the group the best, and when people doubted her she kept the grudge, making her feel insecure and without support, especially after the Larry incident. This insecurity developed into anger and then paranoia, and then we all know what happened.
Lilly focused on keeping the group alive, which means she was forced to make hard choices herself (Creating rations to keep the group fed, dec… moreiding who gets the food at that time and who doesn't knowing that someone could go a whole day without food (the stress)) the only reason she has to hate someone if someone doesn't appreciate what she does for the group, as she says "Look, I'm working my ass off to make sure we have a good set up here, and Kenny just doesn't appreciate it." I guarantee that if people were more appreciative of what she does, she wouldn't be so pissed at people.
I agree, an example of this is the teasing of Omid's return and look what happened to him. It can be a lot of things, and there are a lot of different theories going around about how he might return. It ranges from him being the mystery cliffhanger guy to maybe just see his hat somewhere
Kenny was never confirmed (by TT) to return,only that his "fate will be explored" which can mean a lot of things.
Even if it was hinted in … morethe teaser that it might be Kenny/Lilly (for all we know,it might not be one of them at all),that doesn't mean people can start flame wars and create fan "TeamKenny" accounts.
well in fairness any discussion on returning characters will eventually decompose into irrational bickering between pro-Lily/con-Lily and pro-Kenny/con-Kenny , regardless of whichever particular community members started it. Oh how I wish there could be a completely rational and respectful discussion about this topic, because it is still a very good cliffhanger that the community should be going wild about, just not to the extent of pointless bickering. You don't deserve that many thumbs down, man
in terms of intent from both characters, both thought they were looking out for the group. Lily of course assumed leadership and tried to look out for the group, especially when she wanted to weed out the traitor to prevent the group suffering further. Justification for her treatment of other characters is that she didn't feel appreciated. Pretty much everyone other than her and Larry felt she wasn't leading the group correctly, and she kept those grudges
Kenny was at first always looking out for his family, and they were his priority. His pursuit of a boat was to guarantee their safety and also the group's. When they were lost, he tried to look out for the group and again, his boat thing was to make them all safe, but was also a distraction from the tragedy. When you sided against him, his reaction was more down to pride than anything else, and he was, like Lily, very black-and-white when it came to friends and enemies: you're either with me or against me, and was also very hard to bury the hatchet with
In my opinion, it's hard to say which one is better. The only way to really judge is to take into account their responses after losing family. Lily went paranoid and became vindictive and bitter, since some of the people she was living with on a daily basis killed her dad. Kenny blamed himself for his family's destruction and then Ben. Lily's behaviour was understandable up until the point she killed Carley/Doug, and that was out of cold blood rather than protecting the group. So yeah, I agree with you that Kenny was the more likeable character
First of all, thank you for creating this thread. Its nice to have a thread focusing on rational arguments.
Here's the reason why I like Ke… morenny more than Lilly.
If you side with Kenny 100% of the way, he will treat you like you are family (he will even say you and Clem are the only family he has left if you choose to hide the bite in episode 4).
If you side against him in every single decision, he will mostly be a massive asshole, but will occasionally do something nice ( He always saves your life in episode 1, even if you save Shawn and side with Larry. Additionally, his motivational speech in episode 5 always ends with, "so lets figure out a way out of here and get that little girl", meaning that he had decided to help you save Clem, even if he refused to help you back in episode 4).
If you side against Lilly in every single decision, she will be a massive bitch to you (admittedly, for some very good reasons. Killing her father would… [view original content]
you have to choose "clem is MY family" and then it depends on how you treated Katjaa and Duck especially after he was bitten. For example, giving him animal crackers, the rations and the water pretty much guarantees he will come with you
Well him either refusing to look for clem or not is based on what choice you say to him in that situation. I think you have to say something like "Clem is family" or something like that. Then he agrees no matter what.
it was originally going to be Lily from the comics but they then changed it so she was a totally different character - no link whatsoever with the one from comics
I think Lilly's attitude later in S1 had more to due with the fact that she was originally meant to be Comic Lilly and thus Telltale had to ge… moret her to leave the group so she could get to Woodbury. Who knows how Lilly could have ended up if she was meant to be an original character at first instead of being a comic character which ended up being retconned later.
I think Kenny is a good man who makes decisions to quickly and is too stubborn about his decisions. I also think he let his guilt get to him, … moreso that he had to force himself to believe that what he did was right.
I actually supported Kenny in most arguments, except for the ones concerning killing Larry, stealing from someone's car, and letting Ben go.
I'm not sure why anyone disliked this, that's how turning works in all the various medias for the franchise. After dying, it could takes days to turn(Amy from the TV show, Jim from the comics/TV show) or seconds(Mr. Parker/Travis from the game, Shane from the TV show, etc.).
Right, but that means you were probably in the minority, so the point that Larry saved Lee's life... It's something that is highly determinant, and doesn't apply to a lot of people.
No, they didn't change the character. The achievement when she left was originally called "Woodbury Bound". So that fact that she was no longer supposed to be Lilly from the comics came after she appeared in the game.
it was originally going to be Lily from the comics but they then changed it so she was a totally different character - no link whatsoever with the one from comics
Well, that probably won't happen, it will either be Lilly for everyone or Kenny for everyone(Or both, or maybe even Molly). They wouldn't make it Lilly for some and Kenny for some because that would take a lot more effort.
Lily is my favorite character I hope she will appear in Season 2!
I think if you was on Lily's side all the time in Season 1 then you will see her when Clementine says: I thought you were dead.
Well, that probably won't happen, it will either be Lilly for everyone or Kenny for everyone(Or both, or maybe even Molly). They wouldn't make it Lilly for some and Kenny for some because that would take a lot more effort.
Well, it's possible, but since Kenny and Lilly are such major characters, I really hope it wouldn't detract form the amount of effort put into their respective story lines. And I hope it is a more permanent branching if they decide to use those two characters. Not have them both die the same way at the same time.
It would work, but I think they'd be treading on thin ice if they tried.
They already did this for Carley and Doug in season 1...
And Telltale officially confirmed more story branching for season 2. Maybe this is one of the things they meant.
Both characters have some major issues. Kenny turns on Lee and gives him the "I though you had my back" crap. He crushes Larry's head even though he can't assume he's dead (sometimes Larry's mouth will twitch before Kenny kills him, suggesting he may have been alive). And he probable hates Larry for trying to throw his son out. But Lilly just takes everything so personally and seems just provoke people. Such as accusing Ben of stealing the supplies when there's no real evidence to suggest he did. Both characters treat you like **** when you don't side with them. Even when the world they know is gone, they still argue.
Even if you don't side with Kenny, he ultimately will forgive Ben, go with you to look for Clem(determinant on what you say to him), and sacrifice himself to put Ben out of his misery/save Christa.
Lilly on the other hand will murder Carely/Doug in cold blood, and then try and make excuses for he actions. She'll also tell everyone aobut Lee's past to try and drag him down with her.
So in my opinion, even at his worst, Kenny still isn't as bad as Lilly.
Lilly only accidentally kills Doug but she does murder Carely, but she does show some sympathy towards you after Larry dies. She says something like "You saved his life, and he treated you like ****". And most of the time I side with Kenny except for when he crushes Larry's head. Just because someone has a heart attack does not mean they will turn. If one of Lee's parents had a heart attack, would Lilly do that to them?
Even if you don't side with Kenny, he ultimately will forgive Ben, go with you to look for Clem(determinant on what you say to him), and sacri… morefice himself to put Ben out of his misery/save Christa.
Lilly on the other hand will murder Carely/Doug in cold blood, and then try and make excuses for he actions. She'll also tell everyone aobut Lee's past to try and drag him down with her.
So in my opinion, even at his worst, Kenny still isn't as bad as Lilly.
Larry had a heart attack AND wasn't breathing. Even if they had revived him, he still would have died in minutes or seconds as he had no meds. There was no weapon in the room but the salt lick, which would really only have worked if Larry was down(like he was). Earlier, they had seen Mr. Parker/Travis turn within seconds, so Kenny knew something needed to be down quickly.
Maybe if I had liked Larry even I little, I would have hopelessly tried to save him, but Larry is the guy that tried to kill Lee at the end of the first episode. So I sided with the guy who saved Lee from Larry.
Lilly only accidentally kills Doug but she does murder Carely, but she does show some sympathy towards you after Larry dies. She says somethin… moreg like "You saved his life, and he treated you like ****". And most of the time I side with Kenny except for when he crushes Larry's head. Just because someone has a heart attack does not mean they will turn. If one of Lee's parents had a heart attack, would Lilly do that to them?
I know that Mr . Parker/Travis turned quickly, and grabbed Katjaa very suddenly, but he may have been slowly turning without anyone looking at him. If they had noticed him, they might have seen him turning. The same may have happened with Larry, if he was going to turn, he would open his eyes, moaned a bit and sat up (probably), since no walker could get on their feet that quickly. And plus, Kenny would have been prepared to crush Larry's head, so they wouldn't have been taken by surprise. And even if Larry did get on his feet, the combined strength of Kenny and Lee would have likely been able to knock Larry down again. And if I helped Kenny kill Larry, then Clementine would hate me.
With the Larry situation, here's my logic:
Larry had a heart attack AND wasn't breathing. Even if they had revived him, he still would have… more died in minutes or seconds as he had no meds. There was no weapon in the room but the salt lick, which would really only have worked if Larry was down(like he was). Earlier, they had seen Mr. Parker/Travis turn within seconds, so Kenny knew something needed to be down quickly.
Maybe if I had liked Larry even I little, I would have hopelessly tried to save him, but Larry is the guy that tried to kill Lee at the end of the first episode. So I sided with the guy who saved Lee from Larry.
Well, first off, some walkers do turn incredibly quickly and manage to grab someone seconds after turning(For a good example look at episode 406 "Live Bait" of the TV show).
And actually, if you help Kenny then Clem has enough time to hide her face, and when you talk to her, she totally understands and doesn't hate you at all.
And Larry is much stronger than Kenny and Lee combined, why would they take the risk of letting him stand up?
I know that Mr . Parker/Travis turned quickly, and grabbed Katjaa very suddenly, but he may have been slowly turning without anyone looking at… more him. If they had noticed him, they might have seen him turning. The same may have happened with Larry, if he was going to turn, he would open his eyes, moaned a bit and sat up (probably), since no walker could get on their feet that quickly. And plus, Kenny would have been prepared to crush Larry's head, so they wouldn't have been taken by surprise. And even if Larry did get on his feet, the combined strength of Kenny and Lee would have likely been able to knock Larry down again. And if I helped Kenny kill Larry, then Clementine would hate me.
What season was that episode from? I have the first three downloaded. And at the time I couldn't shake the feeling that Clementine didn't really believe me. And even if Larry is stronger, it's a two-on-one situation: two grown men against a walker, and who said that people were still just as strong as walkers?
Well, first off, some walkers do turn incredibly quickly and manage to grab someone seconds after turning(For a good example look at episode 4… more06 "Live Bait" of the TV show).
And actually, if you help Kenny then Clem has enough time to hide her face, and when you talk to her, she totally understands and doesn't hate you at all.
And Larry is much stronger than Kenny and Lee combined, why would they take the risk of letting him stand up?
It's from season 4(That's why it's 406. When listing episodes, the first number is the season, and the second two are the episode number). And following the lore, Walkers are actually just as strong or stronger than people. That's why when walkers grapple with the characters(think Lee fighting that walker at the drugstore after the argument about Duck), it's always a big struggle. So if Larry came back stronger, or even just as strong, they'd be screwed.
What season was that episode from? I have the first three downloaded. And at the time I couldn't shake the feeling that Clementine didn't real… morely believe me. And even if Larry is stronger, it's a two-on-one situation: two grown men against a walker, and who said that people were still just as strong as walkers?
I guess. I just don't think killing a group member is justified because they MIGHT turn. It's like what happened to Karen and David in Season 4. They got sick, so they were killed by another survivor. And the chances of Larry turning after only seconds is very unlikely. It just seemed a bit overboard.
It's from season 4(That's why it's 406. When listing episodes, the first number is the season, and the second two are the episode number). And… more following the lore, Walkers are actually just as strong or stronger than people. That's why when walkers grapple with the characters(think Lee fighting that walker at the drugstore after the argument about Duck), it's always a big struggle. So if Larry came back stronger, or even just as strong, they'd be screwed.
Yeah, team Lilly people tend to be a lot more hateful, but that doesn't make Lilly immediately worse. I personally liked her better, if only slightly, than Ken. Mainly because of episode 2, and Ken attempting to get Lee killed in episode 3 because I didn't want to kill a man who might still be alive in front of his daughter and my surrogate daughter. If they insta-rot before becoming really active like the one prisoner did in 400 days, then Ken could've killed him after the rot set in. He coulda stood over him with the salt lick.
It's not the same as with Karen and David because then the situation wasn't desperate, or at least, as desperate and immediate as the meat locker. Larry was having a heart attack, it wasn't just that he had stopped breathing. Even if he had started breathing again, he still would've died in minutes or seconds so it doesn't really matter. He would have turned, and even if there was some way he could have gotten over it, it isn't worth the risk. Especially not for a guy who tried to kill Lee, and is just horrible to everyone. I generally tried to hold onto humanity in the game, but that moment was different, because the situation was so desperate, and because the guy was, in my mind, just as bad a killer(trying to kill Lee after Lee saved his life), it wasn't worth trying to save him.
I guess. I just don't think killing a group member is justified because they MIGHT turn. It's like what happened to Karen and David in Season … more4. They got sick, so they were killed by another survivor. And the chances of Larry turning after only seconds is very unlikely. It just seemed a bit overboard.
I don't care who it is, just please let it be a returning character rather than some new character that Clementine met "off screen" or something like that.
Still, I couldn't do that. It's Kenny's attitude later that annoys me. There were a lot of times when I wondered if he had much humanity left except when it came to his family. Sure, he cares for Clementine maybe as much as Lee does, but everyone else gets the cold shoulder. And in Episode 2, when Lee, Kenny and Mark brought back Ben and Travis/Mr Parker, Lilly did have a fair point: they can't provide for every struggling survivor. Both of them are just at each others throat so much it's almost annoying.
It's not the same as with Karen and David because then the situation wasn't desperate, or at least, as desperate and immediate as the meat loc… moreker. Larry was having a heart attack, it wasn't just that he had stopped breathing. Even if he had started breathing again, he still would've died in minutes or seconds so it doesn't really matter. He would have turned, and even if there was some way he could have gotten over it, it isn't worth the risk. Especially not for a guy who tried to kill Lee, and is just horrible to everyone. I generally tried to hold onto humanity in the game, but that moment was different, because the situation was so desperate, and because the guy was, in my mind, just as bad a killer(trying to kill Lee after Lee saved his life), it wasn't worth trying to save him.
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I think Kenny is a good man who makes decisions to quickly and is too stubborn about his decisions. I also think he let his guilt get to him, so that he had to force himself to believe that what he did was right.
I actually supported Kenny in most arguments, except for the ones concerning killing Larry, stealing from someone's car, and letting Ben go.
I saved Doug and gave the axe to Larry because I didn't feed Larry and felt that giving Larry the axe might be a good recompense.
Yeah, feeding the trolls will only make them bigger and stupider. Ignorance is the best punishment
Nope. I play neutral helping both. Kenny came with me. I reminded him Clem is Lee's family
agreed,bunch of hot headed pricks is what they are,I wish lilly is absolutely dead,and what Telltale meant kenny fate will be explored is that he will return as a walker
Like Lee eh?
Lily is my favorite character I hope she will appear in Season 2!
I think if you was on Lily's side all the time in Season 1 then you will see her when Clementine says: I thought you were dead.
If you pick the middle of the road (or even side with Kenny), you can still have rational conversations with Lilly and DISCUSS your course of action. With Kenny, its his way or the highway, theres no discussion, he just berates you. Hell, the number 1 reason i started siding with Lilly was after we first got back at the motor inn in Ep.2
We get back and they both start going off at eachother, and I pick the middle of the road option, not because its "the nice guy" thing to do, its so we can stop the stupid pointless yelling and discuss things like adults. Kenny walks off berating me for not picking sides and Lilly angrily tells me to distribute the rations. At that moment I felt like I could only count on Mark and Doug. Then I talk to Kenny and its more of the same crap about how I dont look out for him BS. Then I talk to Lilly and we have a rational conversation, even when I talk about leaving the motor inn. Given her much better conversational skills, it even convinced me to give her food (even though she wouldnt accept it from me at first) and I considered her a good friend from then on.
yeah I agree. The only reason she was always incredibly pissed off with everyone was because she felt that they didn't appreciate all the stuff she was doing and didn't feel secure enough within the group - for example she asked Lee to investigate the stolen supplies. A zombie apocalypse is stressful, and dealing with people who you think doubt your leadership can be very annoying, especially with the supposed running battle between her and Kenny. In some ways I do feel sorry for her, because she felt she led the group the best, and when people doubted her she kept the grudge, making her feel insecure and without support, especially after the Larry incident. This insecurity developed into anger and then paranoia, and then we all know what happened.
I agree, an example of this is the teasing of Omid's return and look what happened to him. It can be a lot of things, and there are a lot of different theories going around about how he might return. It ranges from him being the mystery cliffhanger guy to maybe just see his hat somewhere
well in fairness any discussion on returning characters will eventually decompose into irrational bickering between pro-Lily/con-Lily and pro-Kenny/con-Kenny , regardless of whichever particular community members started it. Oh how I wish there could be a completely rational and respectful discussion about this topic, because it is still a very good cliffhanger that the community should be going wild about, just not to the extent of pointless bickering. You don't deserve that many thumbs down, man
in terms of intent from both characters, both thought they were looking out for the group. Lily of course assumed leadership and tried to look out for the group, especially when she wanted to weed out the traitor to prevent the group suffering further. Justification for her treatment of other characters is that she didn't feel appreciated. Pretty much everyone other than her and Larry felt she wasn't leading the group correctly, and she kept those grudges
Kenny was at first always looking out for his family, and they were his priority. His pursuit of a boat was to guarantee their safety and also the group's. When they were lost, he tried to look out for the group and again, his boat thing was to make them all safe, but was also a distraction from the tragedy. When you sided against him, his reaction was more down to pride than anything else, and he was, like Lily, very black-and-white when it came to friends and enemies: you're either with me or against me, and was also very hard to bury the hatchet with
In my opinion, it's hard to say which one is better. The only way to really judge is to take into account their responses after losing family. Lily went paranoid and became vindictive and bitter, since some of the people she was living with on a daily basis killed her dad. Kenny blamed himself for his family's destruction and then Ben. Lily's behaviour was understandable up until the point she killed Carley/Doug, and that was out of cold blood rather than protecting the group. So yeah, I agree with you that Kenny was the more likeable character
you have to choose "clem is MY family" and then it depends on how you treated Katjaa and Duck especially after he was bitten. For example, giving him animal crackers, the rations and the water pretty much guarantees he will come with you
it was originally going to be Lily from the comics but they then changed it so she was a totally different character - no link whatsoever with the one from comics
HA YOU WERE WONG rubs it in your face like a child
Oh, and leaving Lilly out on the side of the road
Y'know, why did Kenny leave the keys in the RV in the first place?
I'm not sure why anyone disliked this, that's how turning works in all the various medias for the franchise. After dying, it could takes days to turn(Amy from the TV show, Jim from the comics/TV show) or seconds(Mr. Parker/Travis from the game, Shane from the TV show, etc.).
Right, but that means you were probably in the minority, so the point that Larry saved Lee's life... It's something that is highly determinant, and doesn't apply to a lot of people.
No, they didn't change the character. The achievement when she left was originally called "Woodbury Bound". So that fact that she was no longer supposed to be Lilly from the comics came after she appeared in the game.
Well, that probably won't happen, it will either be Lilly for everyone or Kenny for everyone(Or both, or maybe even Molly). They wouldn't make it Lilly for some and Kenny for some because that would take a lot more effort.
They already did this for Carley and Doug in season 1...
And Telltale officially confirmed more story branching for season 2. Maybe this is one of the things they meant.
Because he's not the brightest tool in the shed.
Well, it's possible, but since Kenny and Lilly are such major characters, I really hope it wouldn't detract form the amount of effort put into their respective story lines. And I hope it is a more permanent branching if they decide to use those two characters. Not have them both die the same way at the same time.
It would work, but I think they'd be treading on thin ice if they tried.
Both characters have some major issues. Kenny turns on Lee and gives him the "I though you had my back" crap. He crushes Larry's head even though he can't assume he's dead (sometimes Larry's mouth will twitch before Kenny kills him, suggesting he may have been alive). And he probable hates Larry for trying to throw his son out. But Lilly just takes everything so personally and seems just provoke people. Such as accusing Ben of stealing the supplies when there's no real evidence to suggest he did. Both characters treat you like **** when you don't side with them. Even when the world they know is gone, they still argue.
Kenny had a big mouth. Everytime I did something bad/wrong he went and told everyone! Including Clem! Dick....
Even if you don't side with Kenny, he ultimately will forgive Ben, go with you to look for Clem(determinant on what you say to him), and sacrifice himself to put Ben out of his misery/save Christa.
Lilly on the other hand will murder Carely/Doug in cold blood, and then try and make excuses for he actions. She'll also tell everyone aobut Lee's past to try and drag him down with her.
So in my opinion, even at his worst, Kenny still isn't as bad as Lilly.
Lilly only accidentally kills Doug but she does murder Carely, but she does show some sympathy towards you after Larry dies. She says something like "You saved his life, and he treated you like ****". And most of the time I side with Kenny except for when he crushes Larry's head. Just because someone has a heart attack does not mean they will turn. If one of Lee's parents had a heart attack, would Lilly do that to them?
With the Larry situation, here's my logic:
Larry had a heart attack AND wasn't breathing. Even if they had revived him, he still would have died in minutes or seconds as he had no meds. There was no weapon in the room but the salt lick, which would really only have worked if Larry was down(like he was). Earlier, they had seen Mr. Parker/Travis turn within seconds, so Kenny knew something needed to be down quickly.
Maybe if I had liked Larry even I little, I would have hopelessly tried to save him, but Larry is the guy that tried to kill Lee at the end of the first episode. So I sided with the guy who saved Lee from Larry.
I know that Mr . Parker/Travis turned quickly, and grabbed Katjaa very suddenly, but he may have been slowly turning without anyone looking at him. If they had noticed him, they might have seen him turning. The same may have happened with Larry, if he was going to turn, he would open his eyes, moaned a bit and sat up (probably), since no walker could get on their feet that quickly. And plus, Kenny would have been prepared to crush Larry's head, so they wouldn't have been taken by surprise. And even if Larry did get on his feet, the combined strength of Kenny and Lee would have likely been able to knock Larry down again. And if I helped Kenny kill Larry, then Clementine would hate me.
Well, first off, some walkers do turn incredibly quickly and manage to grab someone seconds after turning(For a good example look at episode 406 "Live Bait" of the TV show).
And actually, if you help Kenny then Clem has enough time to hide her face, and when you talk to her, she totally understands and doesn't hate you at all.
And Larry is much stronger than Kenny and Lee combined, why would they take the risk of letting him stand up?
What season was that episode from? I have the first three downloaded. And at the time I couldn't shake the feeling that Clementine didn't really believe me. And even if Larry is stronger, it's a two-on-one situation: two grown men against a walker, and who said that people were still just as strong as walkers?
It's from season 4(That's why it's 406. When listing episodes, the first number is the season, and the second two are the episode number). And following the lore, Walkers are actually just as strong or stronger than people. That's why when walkers grapple with the characters(think Lee fighting that walker at the drugstore after the argument about Duck), it's always a big struggle. So if Larry came back stronger, or even just as strong, they'd be screwed.
I guess. I just don't think killing a group member is justified because they MIGHT turn. It's like what happened to Karen and David in Season 4. They got sick, so they were killed by another survivor. And the chances of Larry turning after only seconds is very unlikely. It just seemed a bit overboard.
Yeah, team Lilly people tend to be a lot more hateful, but that doesn't make Lilly immediately worse. I personally liked her better, if only slightly, than Ken. Mainly because of episode 2, and Ken attempting to get Lee killed in episode 3 because I didn't want to kill a man who might still be alive in front of his daughter and my surrogate daughter. If they insta-rot before becoming really active like the one prisoner did in 400 days, then Ken could've killed him after the rot set in. He coulda stood over him with the salt lick.
Guys, there's no need to dislike someone because you don't agree. btw More dislikes for me please.
But I think that litreally is the whole idea of the voting thing......
Doesn't bother me, not sure why they disagree, since it was proven like 3 or 4 times, but the downvotes don't hurt :P
It's not the same as with Karen and David because then the situation wasn't desperate, or at least, as desperate and immediate as the meat locker. Larry was having a heart attack, it wasn't just that he had stopped breathing. Even if he had started breathing again, he still would've died in minutes or seconds so it doesn't really matter. He would have turned, and even if there was some way he could have gotten over it, it isn't worth the risk. Especially not for a guy who tried to kill Lee, and is just horrible to everyone. I generally tried to hold onto humanity in the game, but that moment was different, because the situation was so desperate, and because the guy was, in my mind, just as bad a killer(trying to kill Lee after Lee saved his life), it wasn't worth trying to save him.
I don't care who it is, just please let it be a returning character rather than some new character that Clementine met "off screen" or something like that.
Still, I couldn't do that. It's Kenny's attitude later that annoys me. There were a lot of times when I wondered if he had much humanity left except when it came to his family. Sure, he cares for Clementine maybe as much as Lee does, but everyone else gets the cold shoulder. And in Episode 2, when Lee, Kenny and Mark brought back Ben and Travis/Mr Parker, Lilly did have a fair point: they can't provide for every struggling survivor. Both of them are just at each others throat so much it's almost annoying.