Just when I was about to quit on all our fellow friends here you came, finally someone with their eyes open , at least i know im not the only here who is blind
Just when I was about to quit on all our fellow friends here you came, finally someone with their eyes open , at least i know im not the only here who is blind
They only had one gun? But everyone has one in Episode 5, and they use them to shoot the walkers after they breach the mansion. Huh. Why didn't they pull their guns when Vernon showed up? I mean, as soon as they mentioned the boat, Kenny would have gone for his pistol, at least.
They didn't know about her being kidnapped, but the stranger didn't know about Lee's group being hungry. Lee would've been able to take care o… moref them with the others by his side. They had one gun between them, and Lee took it, so yeah, there wouldn't have been a shootout. Lee woulda kicked some ass, and maybe there would've been an Andy st John choice to kill or let them go, but Clem wouldn't have been responsible for Lee's actions.
I was just listing, my friend.
You know, there's better conversation over at this forum. This reddit style, and the dislike system promotes a lot of hate and shit. This is a good place for conversation:
Yes she is party to blame for the deaths, but at this point I'm fairly sure finding anyone not directly or indirectly at fault of anothers death would be few and far between.
They only had one gun? But everyone has one in Episode 5, and they use them to shoot the walkers after they breach the mansion. Huh. Why didn'… moret they pull their guns when Vernon showed up? I mean, as soon as they mentioned the boat, Kenny would have gone for his pistol, at least.
I'm confused now.
Nobody from Vernon's crew is in Episode 5. And the group AREN'T shown holding guns, aside from Lee's Glock and Christa's Beretta, except for that rifle Kenny had when they broke into Crawford. What happened to THAT, anyway? And where did the new guns come from?
Nobody from Vernon's crew is in Episode 5. And the group AREN'T shown holding guns, aside from Lee's Glock and Christa's Beretta, except for t… morehat rifle Kenny had when they broke into Crawford. What happened to THAT, anyway? And where did the new guns come from?
Why are we blaming the deaths of Lee, Kenny, Ben, (Determinant) and Omid on a nine year old girl? I don't believe it was Clem's fault because she was completely manipulated by the stranger. If you had to blame only person for Lee, Kenny, and Ben's (Determinant) death, then you should absolutely blame the stranger. He took advantage of Clementine when she was in a vulnerable state and lied to her. You could say it was Lee's fault for just falling asleep on the couch and leaving the walkie-talkie out in the open for the taking, the stranger's fault for obviously abducting Clementine or even Kenny's fault for stealing the food out of the station wagon. It's easy to point the finger when you don't deeply analyze the situation.
People will always find a way to accuse someone for being responsible for an unsatisfactory outcome. It's easy to hold one person accountable for one's misfortune rather than just turning the other cheek or even share the responsibility. As for Omid's death, it's definitely appalling, but you can't hold her culpable for his death. Michelle was the one that shot him and like I said before, it's easy to incriminate Clementine for leaving her gun unattended, but was that the sole reason to why Omid got shot? Hindsight is 20/20, people need to make mistakes before they can learn from them.
Because she technically was the one who committed the actions leading to her getting taken away, or, as she says in episode 6, running away, making her even more responsible. Her disappearance was what led the rest to running after her. I was just saying that there's more than just those few if you get less biased.
Why are we blaming the deaths of Lee, Kenny, Ben, (Determinant) and Omid on a nine year old girl? I don't believe it was Clem's fault because … moreshe was completely manipulated by the stranger. If you had to blame only person for Lee, Kenny, and Ben's (Determinant) death, then you should absolutely blame the stranger. He took advantage of Clementine when she was in a vulnerable state and lied to her. You could say it was Lee's fault for just falling asleep on the couch and leaving the walkie-talkie out in the open for the taking, the stranger's fault for obviously abducting Clementine or even Kenny's fault for stealing the food out of the station wagon. It's easy to point the finger when you don't deeply analyze the situation.
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Let me try to put it in other terms, more realistic and understandable terms. A child around the age of 10 learns they have cancer, a tumor in their brain. Instead of choosing to quit, to lay down and give up, they decide to keep going, to push the envelope and put up a fight, that child is a bad ass. Much more so, to me, than any football player, or UFC fighter, or soldier. Clementine in my eyes is the same way, a child put to impossible odds and instead of accepting the obviously unavoidable outcome she says fuck that outcome and does crazy, horrible, and bad ass things to keep that outcome from becoming reality. That is bad ass at any age, multiplied times and times over considering age.
Let me try to put it in other terms, more realistic and understandable terms. A child around the age of 10 learns they have cancer, a tumor in… more their brain. Instead of choosing to quit, to lay down and give up, they decide to keep going, to push the envelope and put up a fight, that child is a bad ass. Much more so, to me, than any football player, or UFC fighter, or soldier. Clementine in my eyes is the same way, a child put to impossible odds and instead of accepting the obviously unavoidable outcome she says fuck that outcome and does crazy, horrible, and bad ass things to keep that outcome from becoming reality. That is bad ass at any age, multiplied times and times over considering age.
You are so wrong. Clementine is the new Ben. She has done nothing but lead people to their death. She going to get everyone in season 2 killed you just wait.
Why are we blaming the deaths of Lee, Kenny, Ben, (Determinant) and Omid on a nine year old girl? I don't believe it was Clem's fault because … moreshe was completely manipulated by the stranger. If you had to blame only person for Lee, Kenny, and Ben's (Determinant) death, then you should absolutely blame the stranger. He took advantage of Clementine when she was in a vulnerable state and lied to her. You could say it was Lee's fault for just falling asleep on the couch and leaving the walkie-talkie out in the open for the taking, the stranger's fault for obviously abducting Clementine or even Kenny's fault for stealing the food out of the station wagon. It's easy to point the finger when you don't deeply analyze the situation.
People will always find a way to accuse someone for being responsible for an unsatisfactory outcome. It's easy to hold one person accountable for one's misfortune rather than just turning the other cheek or even share the re… [view original content]
When you think about it, Lee acted pretty stupidly before she left. He just told her that they won't have time to look for her parents and that they'll be leaving Savannah (her parent's last known location) in the morning, and he knows there's a stranger out there telling her over the walky talky he can help reunite her with her parents. Under the circumstances, he should have either made sure someone else was watching Clem (not Ben) before he caught some sleep or just kept awake until they were safely on the water. Doing neither led to his bite and Clem running away.
I mean, yeah, I guess you could blame the 9 year old girl for making a poorly considered decision. But frankly, when stuff like that happens, you usually turn to the 37 year old who was supposed to be watching her.
In her 30s. Though it doesn't really matter. Badass is just one broad term. Applicable to a middle aged man, same as a 20 year old man, same as an 8 year old girl. They can be fuckin awesome. Sure. But she isn't a badass.
In her 30s. Though it doesn't really matter. Badass is just one broad term. Applicable to a middle aged man, same as a 20 year old man, same as an 8 year old girl. They can be fuckin awesome. Sure. But she isn't a badass.
Clementine was against taking the belongings from the seemingly abandoned station wagon. Stealing the supplies is ultimately what led to half the group dying, as it led to the chain of events that caused the Stranger to lose his mind and become obsessed with Lee's group.
If you are going to blame anyone for making a decision that unintentionally caused the deaths of other characters, it would be Lee, or whomever was for taking supplies from the vehicle.
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... I'd say that notifying the stranger that they stole his supplies is more the cause of the stranger coming after them than just stealing.
Clementine was against taking the belongings from the seemingly abandoned station wagon. Stealing the supplies is ultimately what led to half … morethe group dying, as it led to the chain of events that caused the Stranger to lose his mind and become obsessed with Lee's group.
If you are going to blame anyone for making a decision that unintentionally caused the deaths of other characters, it would be Lee, or whomever was for taking supplies from the vehicle.
You are so wrong. Clementine is the new Ben. She has done nothing but lead people to their death. She going to get everyone in season 2 killed you just wait.
You know, this guy may have started a war, but lets be honest, a lot of people died trying to save her at the end, but I don't blame her. If w… moree are to blame anyone for Kenny, Ben, and Lee's death, it's everyone's. They all let there guards down at the house and THAT'S why she was "captured" and people died trying to save her, it wasn't her fault, so her haters have no point.....
How can that be when you can't have one without the other? Without stealing the supplies, Clem has nothing to tell the Stranger about. Hell the Stranger isn't even the Stranger without the supplies being stolen.
My point is that if you're going to start blaming characters for decisions that unintentionally backfired, Clem wouldn't be the first place to start. Lee and some of the other members of the group made mistakes that also led to their demise.
The same applies for Omid. I get that he wanted some alone time with Christa...but is leaving Clem alone in a rest stop bathroom, in the zombie apocalypse, really a good idea? No, it wasn't. If you're going to blame Clem, fine. But Omid and Christa were just as culpable, if not more so.
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... I'd say that notifying the stranger that they stole his supplies is more the cause of the stranger coming after them than just stealing.
I see most people are blaming Clementine, Ben, Kenny or the stranger for Lees death but everyone is overlooking that fact that Carley/Doug are also partly responsible, They where the ones who gave Clementine the batteries for her walkie talkie which she then used to contact the stranger and tell him where they where going and what they did. I assume he contacted her on it to get her to wake up and leave the safety of the house and then she got kidnapped and Lee got bit.
Omid was a beloved character? Omid didn't handle things correctly himself which is why getting unlucky got him killed. Leaving the gun unattended was foolish, but I'm sure she's learned her lesson.
It's hard to blame an 8 or 11 year old for making mistakes some adults make, and as for comparisons to Ben he was around 18 and failed at pretty much everything. I don't accept that he was just a kid, he was a young adult.
Can you blame someone that gets kidnapped ? (Ben and Lee's death)
Can you blame someone that gets threatened by a girl while she's just doing something she's used to do? (Omid's death)
Seriously, this argument is seriously dumb... All those thing didn't even happen because she did something bad, but only because bad people did something to Clementine..
This way of thinking is way too simple and manichean to be given a thought at.
You can blame anyone. Let's blame kenny for the boat idea or lets blame the cancer survivors for stealing the boat, hell we can even blame the damn train for bringing us to that god damned city anyways.
You are so wrong. Clementine is the new Ben. She has done nothing but lead people to their death. She going to get everyone in season 2 killed you just wait.
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I really liked her, don't get me wrong, but she wasn't badass.
Just when I was about to quit on all our fellow friends here you came, finally someone with their eyes open , at least i know im not the only here who is blind
I mean isn't *
Sad you can't see she is, makes the first season so much more interesting.
You said is, no take backs!
They only had one gun? But everyone has one in Episode 5, and they use them to shoot the walkers after they breach the mansion. Huh. Why didn't they pull their guns when Vernon showed up? I mean, as soon as they mentioned the boat, Kenny would have gone for his pistol, at least.
I'm confused now.
Yay!
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I don't see Shaundi.
You know, there's better conversation over at this forum. This reddit style, and the dislike system promotes a lot of hate and shit. This is a good place for conversation:
http://othertwdforum.freeforums.net/
You both have the same avatar, so for a moment, I thought you were talking to yourself.
Is anyone in Vernon's group in episode 5? Also, in episode 4, they're never shown holding guns either, aside from when Lee took Vernon's gun.
Sad you can't accept that she isn't badass. It makes caring for her feel even more vital, making the objective the game wants you to have more vital.
Nobody from Vernon's crew is in Episode 5. And the group AREN'T shown holding guns, aside from Lee's Glock and Christa's Beretta, except for that rifle Kenny had when they broke into Crawford. What happened to THAT, anyway? And where did the new guns come from?
*shrug
Maybe they were conserving ammo? I guess they just kicked themselves for not putting a couple guns in the armory, and said, fuck it.
Why are we blaming the deaths of Lee, Kenny, Ben, (Determinant) and Omid on a nine year old girl? I don't believe it was Clem's fault because she was completely manipulated by the stranger. If you had to blame only person for Lee, Kenny, and Ben's (Determinant) death, then you should absolutely blame the stranger. He took advantage of Clementine when she was in a vulnerable state and lied to her. You could say it was Lee's fault for just falling asleep on the couch and leaving the walkie-talkie out in the open for the taking, the stranger's fault for obviously abducting Clementine or even Kenny's fault for stealing the food out of the station wagon. It's easy to point the finger when you don't deeply analyze the situation.
People will always find a way to accuse someone for being responsible for an unsatisfactory outcome. It's easy to hold one person accountable for one's misfortune rather than just turning the other cheek or even share the responsibility. As for Omid's death, it's definitely appalling, but you can't hold her culpable for his death. Michelle was the one that shot him and like I said before, it's easy to incriminate Clementine for leaving her gun unattended, but was that the sole reason to why Omid got shot? Hindsight is 20/20, people need to make mistakes before they can learn from them.
Because she technically was the one who committed the actions leading to her getting taken away, or, as she says in episode 6, running away, making her even more responsible. Her disappearance was what led the rest to running after her. I was just saying that there's more than just those few if you get less biased.
Let me try to put it in other terms, more realistic and understandable terms. A child around the age of 10 learns they have cancer, a tumor in their brain. Instead of choosing to quit, to lay down and give up, they decide to keep going, to push the envelope and put up a fight, that child is a bad ass. Much more so, to me, than any football player, or UFC fighter, or soldier. Clementine in my eyes is the same way, a child put to impossible odds and instead of accepting the obviously unavoidable outcome she says fuck that outcome and does crazy, horrible, and bad ass things to keep that outcome from becoming reality. That is bad ass at any age, multiplied times and times over considering age.
As good an explanation as any, I suppose.
But that isn't even close to what happened.
You are so wrong. Clementine is the new Ben. She has done nothing but lead people to their death. She going to get everyone in season 2 killed you just wait.
Well, yes, it is. She was a child who was put at horrible odds and she never gave up. That in and of itself is bad ass.
She's an 11 year old girl on video game and people hate her? They need to suck it up because she is the main character now.
That's like saying Lori from the comic is badass. No she's not. Just resilient.
When you think about it, Lee acted pretty stupidly before she left. He just told her that they won't have time to look for her parents and that they'll be leaving Savannah (her parent's last known location) in the morning, and he knows there's a stranger out there telling her over the walky talky he can help reunite her with her parents. Under the circumstances, he should have either made sure someone else was watching Clem (not Ben) before he caught some sleep or just kept awake until they were safely on the water. Doing neither led to his bite and Clem running away.
I mean, yeah, I guess you could blame the 9 year old girl for making a poorly considered decision. But frankly, when stuff like that happens, you usually turn to the 37 year old who was supposed to be watching her.
How old was Lori?
In her 30s. Though it doesn't really matter. Badass is just one broad term. Applicable to a middle aged man, same as a 20 year old man, same as an 8 year old girl. They can be fuckin awesome. Sure. But she isn't a badass.
Bad ass is a broad term, applicable to an even broader range of situations. She is bad ass and at this point I'm just wasting words. Bye
How are you wasting words? What a fuckin insult, man.
Clementine was against taking the belongings from the seemingly abandoned station wagon. Stealing the supplies is ultimately what led to half the group dying, as it led to the chain of events that caused the Stranger to lose his mind and become obsessed with Lee's group.
If you are going to blame anyone for making a decision that unintentionally caused the deaths of other characters, it would be Lee, or whomever was for taking supplies from the vehicle.
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... I'd say that notifying the stranger that they stole his supplies is more the cause of the stranger coming after them than just stealing.
Or you could just dislike it... And then bitch about it on the internet.
Not sure about that. They won't make the player Ben.
She could be pinned as responsible for Doug/Carley's death in episode 1, though... If you're unsympathetic to an 8 year old being 8.
How can that be when you can't have one without the other? Without stealing the supplies, Clem has nothing to tell the Stranger about. Hell the Stranger isn't even the Stranger without the supplies being stolen.
My point is that if you're going to start blaming characters for decisions that unintentionally backfired, Clem wouldn't be the first place to start. Lee and some of the other members of the group made mistakes that also led to their demise.
The same applies for Omid. I get that he wanted some alone time with Christa...but is leaving Clem alone in a rest stop bathroom, in the zombie apocalypse, really a good idea? No, it wasn't. If you're going to blame Clem, fine. But Omid and Christa were just as culpable, if not more so.
I see most people are blaming Clementine, Ben, Kenny or the stranger for Lees death but everyone is overlooking that fact that Carley/Doug are also partly responsible, They where the ones who gave Clementine the batteries for her walkie talkie which she then used to contact the stranger and tell him where they where going and what they did. I assume he contacted her on it to get her to wake up and leave the safety of the house and then she got kidnapped and Lee got bit.
FUCK...THE...HATERS! RAMBO, I GOT A JOB FOR YOU...
Omid was a beloved character? Omid didn't handle things correctly himself which is why getting unlucky got him killed. Leaving the gun unattended was foolish, but I'm sure she's learned her lesson.
It's hard to blame an 8 or 11 year old for making mistakes some adults make, and as for comparisons to Ben he was around 18 and failed at pretty much everything. I don't accept that he was just a kid, he was a young adult.
Can you blame someone that gets kidnapped ? (Ben and Lee's death)
Can you blame someone that gets threatened by a girl while she's just doing something she's used to do? (Omid's death)
Seriously, this argument is seriously dumb... All those thing didn't even happen because she did something bad, but only because bad people did something to Clementine..
This way of thinking is way too simple and manichean to be given a thought at.
Don't kill me!!
Wait thats not possible its like i love cocolate but it tastes like shit
Let's blame Ben. That's always fun.
Until Clem starts taking hatchets out of strange doorways, I don't think your comment holds up, friend.