Do people seriously hate a nine year old little girl who got manipulated into believing her parents was alive? Try looking back at yourself at the age of eight and nine. I for one was tricked into doing alot of bad things as a kid, and I'm sure you people got as well. If Clementine was older I'd understand the hate, but please accept the fact she's only a kid with a kid's mind. Clementine is only 10 to 11 years old in Season Two and is still only a kid, and can still make wrong choices. Be realistic people! God.
Her fault or not, that's how she perceives it, herself.
She blames herself for their deaths. She says so in the conversation with Luke if you choose the "I ran away" option.
"Sometimes, people end up dying because of me... sadface "
I don't think any of it is her fault, but the poor gal is carrying some damn heavy weight on her shoulders. It's really sad when you see that she feels she's the reason everything went to shit :c
That's not how she feels, that's how you as the player feels if you want to use that dialogue option. When I played as Clementine I didn't feel like it was my fault, so I picked another dialogue. That's what this is all about. How we want to play Clementine.
Her fault or not, that's how she perceives it, herself.
She blames herself for their deaths. She says so in the conversation with Luke if y… moreou choose the "I ran away" option.
"Sometimes, people end up dying because of me... sadface "
I don't think any of it is her fault, but the poor gal is carrying some damn heavy weight on her shoulders. It's really sad when you see that she feels she's the reason everything went to shit :c
...but I don't feel she's responsible?
It's hardly a deliberate choice, since all the dialogue options there are pretty much the same.
It's the same thing as to how she still has fond memories of Lee no matter how bad your Lee was in S1.
Some aspects of Clem's personality have to be canon to define her as a character...
That's not how she feels, that's how you as the player feels if you want to use that dialogue option. When I played as Clementine I didn't fee… morel like it was my fault, so I picked another dialogue. That's what this is all about. How we want to play Clementine.
It doesn't matter if you like or hate her, as long as you don't think she's a bad character. It's true that people kind of went out of their way to help her in Savannah.
That's not how she feels, that's how you as the player feels if you want to use that dialogue option. When I played as Clementine I didn't fee… morel like it was my fault, so I picked another dialogue. That's what this is all about. How we want to play Clementine.
Why do you think Christa and Omid went into the same bathroom together? Granted i only played it the day it released so my memory could be fuzzy but It was clear whatever they were doing Omid didn't want clem to witness.
Why do you think Christa and Omid went into the same bathroom together? Granted i only played it the day it released so my memory could be fuzzy but It was clear whatever they were doing Omid didn't want clem to witness.
We may control Clem a bit, but she's still Clem, not US. All of her options are in-character for her, things she'd really say or do.
If we were allowed full control of the protagonist and their personality,I've no doubt that we'd have many Clems out there murdering Rebecca the first chance they'd get. Or Lees killing Kennies or Lillies. You get the idea. Both would never do such things, it doesn't fit their character.
It's not like the dialogue option was any indicative that she was going to say she feels guilty, either.
It was the truth, wasn't it? "I ran away".
I wanted to tell Luke the truth, and the most truthful and complete option ended with her trusting him enough to tell him of the weight on her shoulders.
The only thing you choose in that conversation is whether you want to confide your full story to Luke or not... You don't have the option to lie about it in any way.
I chose the most honest option and Clem ended up confiding in him that she blames herself... I felt that if that was the most honest answer, that must also be how she really feels about everything.
Ok this thread got way more active than i was prepared for, and i'm sorry for a late reply and all that, but here goes. The way i'd like to point out that Clem got the whole group got into trouble was that she talked to a stranger(THE Stranger) on her walkietalkie and planned the whole meeting without mentioning it to anyone in her group, putting them all in danger.
And when i think about it, it's maybe more of a draw between caused/indirectly caused deaths to the group by Clem and Ben. Also it's possible for either situation to much worse than it did. For example the bandits could've just executed the whole group on the spot, and the stranger could've arranged a trap... a bigger one, not just catching an exhausted Lee. For example he could've been the one that rung the bells but on purpose for clusterfucking the group in the middle of the street.
Also, yes, the downvoters kind of prove SaltLicks point, and your statement. Oh you have an opinion that does not fit me in the taste or you like other characters than i do; DISLIKE.
Also i'd like to repeat myself that i don't mind as long as people are aware that they were both kids that didn't think of possible consequences and that acted completely on their own, which is a terrible idea at most times. I just don't want people only blaming Ben for everything and believing Clem is a goddamn saint that never makes mistakes. Ben even told us of how sorry he was and exactly how he felt to Kenny if you didn't drop him. Did you see that scene, Rock114 or did you leave the game with the single choice of always dropping him? (Offtopic, i know, but it's a great scene.)
And yeah, Molly isn't dead, she just walks off screen if you accidentally shoot her (like we haven't seen those several times already)
I feel that it's wrong to blame people for the unforseeable consequences of their actions. I never blamed Ben for Duck and Katjaa's death and I don't blame Clem for Lee and Omid's deaths. The only thing I blame Ben for is stealing from the group and the only thing I blame Clem for is running away because those are the things that they knowingly did. Everything following afterwards is happenstance.
I feel that it's wrong to blame people for the unforseeable consequences of their actions. I never blamed Ben for Duck and Katjaa's death and … moreI don't blame Clem for Lee and Omid's deaths. The only thing I blame Ben for is stealing from the group and the only thing I blame Clem for is running away because those are the things that they knowingly did. Everything following afterwards is happenstance.
Of course. But if we're going by who really sparked it, it was clearly Clementine, in the stranger and his victims. It reminds me of this analogy we used when learning about World War 1. Everyone was pouring gunpowder into a big pile, when someone lit a match, and the gunpowder blew the fuck up. In the stranger's scenario, there was a fucking lot of gunpowder, but Clem telling the stranger about it is what sparked his hatred for Lee's group.
How can that be when you can't have one without the other? Without stealing the supplies, Clem has nothing to tell the Stranger about. Hell th… moree Stranger isn't even the Stranger without the supplies being stolen.
My point is that if you're going to start blaming characters for decisions that unintentionally backfired, Clem wouldn't be the first place to start. Lee and some of the other members of the group made mistakes that also led to their demise.
The same applies for Omid. I get that he wanted some alone time with Christa...but is leaving Clem alone in a rest stop bathroom, in the zombie apocalypse, really a good idea? No, it wasn't. If you're going to blame Clem, fine. But Omid and Christa were just as culpable, if not more so.
Can you blame someone that gets kidnapped ? (Ben and Lee's death)
Can you blame someone that gets threatened by a girl while she's just doing… more something she's used to do? (Omid's death)
Seriously, this argument is seriously dumb... All those thing didn't even happen because she did something bad, but only because bad people did something to Clementine..
This way of thinking is way too simple and manichean to be given a thought at.
Did Clem really run away though?
I know she says she did in season 2, but why did she drop her hat and walkie talkie if she wasn't taken against her will?
I feel that it's wrong to blame people for the unforseeable consequences of their actions. I never blamed Ben for Duck and Katjaa's death and … moreI don't blame Clem for Lee and Omid's deaths. The only thing I blame Ben for is stealing from the group and the only thing I blame Clem for is running away because those are the things that they knowingly did. Everything following afterwards is happenstance.
Yeah, that kinda confused me too. My guess is that she might have been persuaded by the Stranger to run away to the Marsh House but then as soon as she went outside the mansion gate, he just abducted her and took her there himself. So since she left Lee and was about to go to the Stranger, she considers what she did "running away."
Did Clem really run away though?
I know she says she did in season 2, but why did she drop her hat and walkie talkie if she wasn't taken against her will?
Did Clem really run away though?
I know she says she did in season 2, but why did she drop her hat and walkie talkie if she wasn't taken against her will?
That's not how she feels, that's how you as the player feels if you want to use that dialogue option. When I played as Clementine I didn't fee… morel like it was my fault, so I picked another dialogue. That's what this is all about. How we want to play Clementine.
Still doesn't make sense. If she was about to go to the Marsh House, her only way of knowing how to get there was by keeping in contact with the Stranger, which she could only do with her walkie-talkie. It wouldn't make any sense for her to leave it there even if she was attacked.
Also, if I remember correctly, Lee found her hat inside the mansion gates, meaning that unless a zombie somehow snuck in there and then back out again, that's not why she dropped it.
My speculation is, she agreed to meet the stranger at the house, or he showed up unannounced.
She wanted to go inside to tell Lee and then the stranger grabbed her.
It would make sense that he promised Clem that Lee could come along over the walkie talkie.
Still doesn't make sense. If she was about to go to the Marsh House, her only way of knowing how to get there was by keeping in contact with t… morehe Stranger, which she could only do with her walkie-talkie. It wouldn't make any sense for her to leave it there even if she was attacked.
Also, if I remember correctly, Lee found her hat inside the mansion gates, meaning that unless a zombie somehow snuck in there and then back out again, that's not why she dropped it.
Nah, I went back and saved Ben on an alternate profile. My canon save, however, has him dead, and Kenny still kind of a jerk (but a jerk with a heart of gold, at least). That WAS a great scene, and Ben DOES admit that he's sorry for what he did. I stopped hating him after the whole belltower deal (when he said to drop him, even before I actually did) but that scene just made me feel sorry for him. Real pity. I still think, however, that he did more damage than Clem. She sure did fuck up with the whole Stranger deal, pretty bad, too, but Ben... to say he takes it Up To Eleven is sugar coating it.
Ok this thread got way more active than i was prepared for, and i'm sorry for a late reply and all that, but here goes. The way i'd like to po… moreint out that Clem got the whole group got into trouble was that she talked to a stranger(THE Stranger) on her walkietalkie and planned the whole meeting without mentioning it to anyone in her group, putting them all in danger.
And when i think about it, it's maybe more of a draw between caused/indirectly caused deaths to the group by Clem and Ben. Also it's possible for either situation to much worse than it did. For example the bandits could've just executed the whole group on the spot, and the stranger could've arranged a trap... a bigger one, not just catching an exhausted Lee. For example he could've been the one that rung the bells but on purpose for clusterfucking the group in the middle of the street.
Also, yes, the downvoters kind of prove SaltLicks point, and your statement. Oh you have an op… [view original content]
Maybe, but that doesn't really sound like "running away" to me. I think she described it to Luke as her running away because regardless of what actually happened, it was her intention to run away from Lee and find her parents.
I also don't think she would want to tell Lee because she knows that Lee wouldn't approve of what she was doing. After Lee disappointed her by saying that they didn't have time to find her parents, I feel like she would have decided that finding her parents was something that she had to do alone, but she was abducted before she could actually do it.
My speculation is, she agreed to meet the stranger at the house, or he showed up unannounced.
She wanted to go inside to tell Lee and then th… moree stranger grabbed her.
It would make sense that he promised Clem that Lee could come along over the walkie talkie.
Maybe, but that doesn't really sound like "running away" to me. I think she described it to Luke as her running away because regardless of wha… moret actually happened, it was her intention to run away from Lee and find her parents.
I also don't think she would want to tell Lee because she knows that Lee wouldn't approve of what she was doing. After Lee disappointed her by saying that they didn't have time to find her parents, I feel like she would have decided that finding her parents was something that she had to do alone, but she was abducted before she could actually do it.
I would just like to point out that I recognize that clementine indirectly caused deaths. I love clem though. I feel like her actions were typical for an 8 year old. I mean come on, she was scared and wanted desperately to see her parents. Lee was there for her but she still wanted to see them. Think about it, she's 8 it's not too difficult to trick an 8 year old. Even though clem ,as bright as she is, got her mind set on seeing her parents again that is what she went for without questioning. Ben however is not 8 he is older ,however I think that Ben was more scared than clem was at times. Ben should not have been so easily tricked by the bandits and should have consulted the group if had any doubts. That said Ben was in my book a decent guy I saw that he wanted to help but just make mistakes. What I did not like about Ben was that he abandoned clem on the street in Savannah. In my opinion that just came around to bite him later. So basically clem was young, scared, and easily trick even though she was a really smart kid. Ben was a decent guy with good intentions, a lot of fear ,and bad luck.
I would just like to point out that I recognize that clementine indirectly caused deaths. I love clem though. I feel like her actions were typical for an 8 year old. I mean come on, she was scared and wanted desperately to see her parents. Lee was there for her but she still wanted to see them. Think about it, she's 8 it's not too difficult to trick an 8 year old. Even though clem ,as bright as she is, got her mind set on seeing her parents again that is what she went for without questioning. Ben however is not 8 he is older ,however I think that Ben was more scared than clem was at times. Ben should not have been so easily tricked by the bandits and should have consulted the group if had any doubts. That said Ben was in my book a decent guy I saw that he wanted to help but just make mistakes. What I did not like about Ben was that he abandoned clem on the street in Savannah. In my opinion that just came around to bite him later. So basically clem was young, scared, and easily trick even though she was a really smart kid. Ben was a decent guy with good intentions, a lot of fear ,and bad luck.
I would just like to point out that I recognize that clementine indirectly caused deaths. I love clem though. I feel like her actions were typical for an 8 year old. I mean come on, she was scared and wanted desperately to see her parents. Lee was there for her but she still wanted to see them. Think about it, she's 8 it's not too difficult to trick an 8 year old. Even though clem ,as bright as she is, got her mind set on seeing her parents again that is what she went for without questioning. Ben however is not 8 he is older ,however I think that Ben was more scared than clem was at times. Ben should not have been so easily tricked by the bandits and should have consulted the group if had any doubts. That said Ben was in my book a decent guy I saw that he wanted to help but just make mistakes. What I did not like about Ben was that he abandoned clem on the street in Savannah. In my opinion that just came around to bite him later. So basically clem was young, scared, and easily trick even though she was a really smart kid. Ben was a decent guy with good intentions, a lot of fear ,and bad luck.
I would just like to point out that I recognize that clementine indirectly caused deaths. I love clem though. I feel like her actions were typical for an 8 year old. I mean come on, she was scared and wanted desperately to see her parents. Lee was there for her but she still wanted to see them. Think about it, she's 8 it's not too difficult to trick an 8 year old. Even though clem ,as bright as she is, got her mind set on seeing her parents again that is what she went for without questioning. Ben however is not 8 he is older ,however I think that Ben was more scared than clem was at times. Ben should not have been so easily tricked by the bandits and should have consulted the group if had any doubts. That said Ben was in my book a decent guy I saw that he wanted to help but just make mistakes. What I did not like about Ben was that he abandoned clem on the street in Savannah. In my opinion that just came around to bite him later. So basically clem was young, scared, and easily trick even though she was a really smart kid. Ben was a decent guy with good intentions, a lot of fear ,and bad luck.
Comments
Do people seriously hate a nine year old little girl who got manipulated into believing her parents was alive? Try looking back at yourself at the age of eight and nine. I for one was tricked into doing alot of bad things as a kid, and I'm sure you people got as well. If Clementine was older I'd understand the hate, but please accept the fact she's only a kid with a kid's mind. Clementine is only 10 to 11 years old in Season Two and is still only a kid, and can still make wrong choices. Be realistic people! God.
Lee without Clementine is just a mass zombie killing machine
Her fault or not, that's how she perceives it, herself.
She blames herself for their deaths. She says so in the conversation with Luke if you choose the "I ran away" option.
"Sometimes, people end up dying because of me... sadface "
I don't think any of it is her fault, but the poor gal is carrying some damn heavy weight on her shoulders. It's really sad when you see that she feels she's the reason everything went to shit :c
That's not how she feels, that's how you as the player feels if you want to use that dialogue option. When I played as Clementine I didn't feel like it was my fault, so I picked another dialogue. That's what this is all about. How we want to play Clementine.
...but I don't feel she's responsible?
It's hardly a deliberate choice, since all the dialogue options there are pretty much the same.
It's the same thing as to how she still has fond memories of Lee no matter how bad your Lee was in S1.
Some aspects of Clem's personality have to be canon to define her as a character...
It doesn't matter if you like or hate her, as long as you don't think she's a bad character. It's true that people kind of went out of their way to help her in Savannah.
Clementine only has dialogue options that are in character for her. The fact that the option is there means a lot.
Why do you think Christa and Omid went into the same bathroom together? Granted i only played it the day it released so my memory could be fuzzy but It was clear whatever they were doing Omid didn't want clem to witness.
As least Omid got his mack on before death.
Well it's actually Ben who indirectly causes the death of most of the group not Clem.
Carley/Doug, Duck, Katjaa, Brie, Chuck all die indirectly caused by Ben. But yes Clem can be blamed for Lee and Omid's death unfortunately.
We may control Clem a bit, but she's still Clem, not US. All of her options are in-character for her, things she'd really say or do.
If we were allowed full control of the protagonist and their personality,I've no doubt that we'd have many Clems out there murdering Rebecca the first chance they'd get. Or Lees killing Kennies or Lillies. You get the idea. Both would never do such things, it doesn't fit their character.
It's not like the dialogue option was any indicative that she was going to say she feels guilty, either.
It was the truth, wasn't it? "I ran away".
I wanted to tell Luke the truth, and the most truthful and complete option ended with her trusting him enough to tell him of the weight on her shoulders.
The only thing you choose in that conversation is whether you want to confide your full story to Luke or not... You don't have the option to lie about it in any way.
I chose the most honest option and Clem ended up confiding in him that she blames herself... I felt that if that was the most honest answer, that must also be how she really feels about everything.
smash there heads with saltlicks.
Ok this thread got way more active than i was prepared for, and i'm sorry for a late reply and all that, but here goes. The way i'd like to point out that Clem got the whole group got into trouble was that she talked to a stranger(THE Stranger) on her walkietalkie and planned the whole meeting without mentioning it to anyone in her group, putting them all in danger.
And when i think about it, it's maybe more of a draw between caused/indirectly caused deaths to the group by Clem and Ben. Also it's possible for either situation to much worse than it did. For example the bandits could've just executed the whole group on the spot, and the stranger could've arranged a trap... a bigger one, not just catching an exhausted Lee. For example he could've been the one that rung the bells but on purpose for clusterfucking the group in the middle of the street.
Also, yes, the downvoters kind of prove SaltLicks point, and your statement. Oh you have an opinion that does not fit me in the taste or you like other characters than i do; DISLIKE.
Also i'd like to repeat myself that i don't mind as long as people are aware that they were both kids that didn't think of possible consequences and that acted completely on their own, which is a terrible idea at most times. I just don't want people only blaming Ben for everything and believing Clem is a goddamn saint that never makes mistakes. Ben even told us of how sorry he was and exactly how he felt to Kenny if you didn't drop him. Did you see that scene, Rock114 or did you leave the game with the single choice of always dropping him? (Offtopic, i know, but it's a great scene.)
And yeah, Molly isn't dead, she just walks off screen if you accidentally shoot her (like we haven't seen those several times already)
people just wanted a face like this when they were little...
i know right
@Zombies are Awesome!
Pick one.
She is technically responsible for their deaths.....But your right, she IS 8
Omid and Christa shouldn't have left Clem alone without making sure it was safe 1st.
I feel that it's wrong to blame people for the unforseeable consequences of their actions. I never blamed Ben for Duck and Katjaa's death and I don't blame Clem for Lee and Omid's deaths. The only thing I blame Ben for is stealing from the group and the only thing I blame Clem for is running away because those are the things that they knowingly did. Everything following afterwards is happenstance.
Take my like, Sir.
Well, that is an actual kid doing his voice.
Of course. But if we're going by who really sparked it, it was clearly Clementine, in the stranger and his victims. It reminds me of this analogy we used when learning about World War 1. Everyone was pouring gunpowder into a big pile, when someone lit a match, and the gunpowder blew the fuck up. In the stranger's scenario, there was a fucking lot of gunpowder, but Clem telling the stranger about it is what sparked his hatred for Lee's group.
True, but that doesn't make it sound any better.
Did Clem really run away though?
I know she says she did in season 2, but why did she drop her hat and walkie talkie if she wasn't taken against her will?
How could of Clem caused Kenny's death if he is alive??
Yeah, that kinda confused me too. My guess is that she might have been persuaded by the Stranger to run away to the Marsh House but then as soon as she went outside the mansion gate, he just abducted her and took her there himself. So since she left Lee and was about to go to the Stranger, she considers what she did "running away."
These things.
*whisper
PSSSST! He isn't.
The way I feel, the four options are the thoughts Clementine can come up with. So somewhere, deep in her mind, she feels that way.
Still doesn't make sense. If she was about to go to the Marsh House, her only way of knowing how to get there was by keeping in contact with the Stranger, which she could only do with her walkie-talkie. It wouldn't make any sense for her to leave it there even if she was attacked.
Also, if I remember correctly, Lee found her hat inside the mansion gates, meaning that unless a zombie somehow snuck in there and then back out again, that's not why she dropped it.
My speculation is, she agreed to meet the stranger at the house, or he showed up unannounced.
She wanted to go inside to tell Lee and then the stranger grabbed her.
It would make sense that he promised Clem that Lee could come along over the walkie talkie.
Nah, I went back and saved Ben on an alternate profile. My canon save, however, has him dead, and Kenny still kind of a jerk (but a jerk with a heart of gold, at least). That WAS a great scene, and Ben DOES admit that he's sorry for what he did. I stopped hating him after the whole belltower deal (when he said to drop him, even before I actually did) but that scene just made me feel sorry for him. Real pity. I still think, however, that he did more damage than Clem. She sure did fuck up with the whole Stranger deal, pretty bad, too, but Ben... to say he takes it Up To Eleven is sugar coating it.
Maybe, but that doesn't really sound like "running away" to me. I think she described it to Luke as her running away because regardless of what actually happened, it was her intention to run away from Lee and find her parents.
I also don't think she would want to tell Lee because she knows that Lee wouldn't approve of what she was doing. After Lee disappointed her by saying that they didn't have time to find her parents, I feel like she would have decided that finding her parents was something that she had to do alone, but she was abducted before she could actually do it.
Aye, I kind of noticed how stupid my comment was. Unfortunately only after I posted it.
Still, Clem meeting the stranger at the house makes more sense than her going to the Marsh house all by herself.
I would just like to point out that I recognize that clementine indirectly caused deaths. I love clem though. I feel like her actions were typical for an 8 year old. I mean come on, she was scared and wanted desperately to see her parents. Lee was there for her but she still wanted to see them. Think about it, she's 8 it's not too difficult to trick an 8 year old. Even though clem ,as bright as she is, got her mind set on seeing her parents again that is what she went for without questioning. Ben however is not 8 he is older ,however I think that Ben was more scared than clem was at times. Ben should not have been so easily tricked by the bandits and should have consulted the group if had any doubts. That said Ben was in my book a decent guy I saw that he wanted to help but just make mistakes. What I did not like about Ben was that he abandoned clem on the street in Savannah. In my opinion that just came around to bite him later. So basically clem was young, scared, and easily trick even though she was a really smart kid. Ben was a decent guy with good intentions, a lot of fear ,and bad luck.
I would just like to point out that I recognize that clementine indirectly caused deaths. I love clem though. I feel like her actions were typical for an 8 year old. I mean come on, she was scared and wanted desperately to see her parents. Lee was there for her but she still wanted to see them. Think about it, she's 8 it's not too difficult to trick an 8 year old. Even though clem ,as bright as she is, got her mind set on seeing her parents again that is what she went for without questioning. Ben however is not 8 he is older ,however I think that Ben was more scared than clem was at times. Ben should not have been so easily tricked by the bandits and should have consulted the group if had any doubts. That said Ben was in my book a decent guy I saw that he wanted to help but just make mistakes. What I did not like about Ben was that he abandoned clem on the street in Savannah. In my opinion that just came around to bite him later. So basically clem was young, scared, and easily trick even though she was a really smart kid. Ben was a decent guy with good intentions, a lot of fear ,and bad luck.
I would just like to point out that I recognize that clementine indirectly caused deaths. I love clem though. I feel like her actions were typical for an 8 year old. I mean come on, she was scared and wanted desperately to see her parents. Lee was there for her but she still wanted to see them. Think about it, she's 8 it's not too difficult to trick an 8 year old. Even though clem ,as bright as she is, got her mind set on seeing her parents again that is what she went for without questioning. Ben however is not 8 he is older ,however I think that Ben was more scared than clem was at times. Ben should not have been so easily tricked by the bandits and should have consulted the group if had any doubts. That said Ben was in my book a decent guy I saw that he wanted to help but just make mistakes. What I did not like about Ben was that he abandoned clem on the street in Savannah. In my opinion that just came around to bite him later. So basically clem was young, scared, and easily trick even though she was a really smart kid. Ben was a decent guy with good intentions, a lot of fear ,and bad luck.
I would just like to point out that I recognize that clementine indirectly caused deaths. I love clem though. I feel like her actions were typical for an 8 year old. I mean come on, she was scared and wanted desperately to see her parents. Lee was there for her but she still wanted to see them. Think about it, she's 8 it's not too difficult to trick an 8 year old. Even though clem ,as bright as she is, got her mind set on seeing her parents again that is what she went for without questioning. Ben however is not 8 he is older ,however I think that Ben was more scared than clem was at times. Ben should not have been so easily tricked by the bandits and should have consulted the group if had any doubts. That said Ben was in my book a decent guy I saw that he wanted to help but just make mistakes. What I did not like about Ben was that he abandoned clem on the street in Savannah. In my opinion that just came around to bite him later. So basically clem was young, scared, and easily trick even though she was a really smart kid. Ben was a decent guy with good intentions, a lot of fear ,and bad luck.