I must say that it's irritating that everyone here seems to agree racism is bad, but most think homophobia is okay, even though they are exactly the same thing: judging someone based on something outside of their control.
Unless they all think it's a choice or something, but I assumed Telltale had smarter fans than that.
Sex hardly enters into the game at all. The closest we got to it in season 1 was Carley and Lee's mild and awkward flirtation so its hard to say for sure about all of the characters what their inclinations are.
To clarify, I'm not asking for a gay couple in the game, just a gay person. No dating involved.
In season 1 we had: Carley, Katjaa, Kenny, … moreGlenn, Clem's parents, Brenda, Danny, Larry, omid, christa, leland, dee, Wyatt and eddie.
All straight or at least bi, literally not one gay. Which is, actually, unrealistic.
Sex hardly enters into the game at all. The closest we got to it in season 1 was Carley and Lee's mild and awkward flirtation so its hard to say for sure about all of the characters what their inclinations are.
Funny, someone was arguing vehemently a month ago that Lee's death was racist. "Seems like such a long time ago, now."
And if Carlos says "Dios mio", "ay carumba", "ay chiwawa" or any Spanish catchphrase without totally losing his "I'm among English speakers so I should be speaking English" shit(there's probably a word for that), I'm gonna flip my shit.
"Dios mío" is ok for me, although I'm more used to just hearing "Dios". But if Carlos ever says "Ay, Chihuahua!", I'm gonna throw my computer out the window. Seriously.
Funny, someone was arguing vehemently a month ago that Lee's death was racist. "Seems like such a long time ago, now."
And if Carlos says "… moreDios mio", "ay carumba", "ay chiwawa" or any Spanish catchphrase without totally losing his "I'm among English speakers so I should be speaking English" shit(there's probably a word for that), I'm gonna flip my shit.
Considering from our down votes, I think theres a large amount of narrow minded people. I am straight and as hard as this may be to comprehend I have no problem with gay people! I know right.. CRAZY!
Yeah.
I must say that it's irritating that everyone here seems to agree racism is bad, but most think homophobia is okay, even though they … moreare exactly the same thing: judging someone based on something outside of their control.
Unless they all think it's a choice or something, but I assumed Telltale had smarter fans than that.
Heterosexuality was explored in the first game. We had several straight couples, and several people like Wyatt, Eddie and Nate who are obviously straight or at least bisexual judging by their comments about women.
I only know a few homosexuals in my area, not sure about the areas Clem has been in the game, just saying it may be a fairly accurate depection of your chances of running into a gay person after the world has gone to shit (I mean, we haven't seen any politicians yet). I wouldn't mind seeing a couple like that in season two though.
Yeah.
I must say that it's irritating that everyone here seems to agree racism is bad, but most think homophobia is okay, even though they … moreare exactly the same thing: judging someone based on something outside of their control.
Unless they all think it's a choice or something, but I assumed Telltale had smarter fans than that.
You sure about Eddie? Because I remember reading the dialog choice "Why is it that you don't have a girlfriend?" and going "Mm...".
Also, just becuase a person or character doesn't "seem" or "look" gay, doesn't mean he isn't. It's not like I know a lot about this, but that sounds logical to me.
Heterosexuality was explored in the first game. We had several straight couples, and several people like Wyatt, Eddie and Nate who are obviously straight or at least bisexual judging by their comments about women.
I only know a few homosexuals in my area, not sure about the areas Clem has been in the game, just saying it may be a fairly accurate depectio… moren of your chances of running into a gay person after the world has gone to shit (I mean, we haven't seen any politicians yet). I wouldn't mind seeing a couple like that in season two though.
I know that; I'm not going on whether characters 'seem' or 'look' straight, but why would a gay guy ask Russel to rate a girl out of ten and ask whether his teenage girl friend was attractive?
And I thought Eddie made some comments about girlfriends, maybe I was wrong.
But still, we have at least 10 obviously straight (because they make it obvious) people in season 1 and 0 homosexual relationships of the same caliber.
You sure about Eddie? Because I remember reading the dialog choice "Why is it that you don't have a girlfriend?" and going "Mm...".
Also, j… moreust becuase a person or character doesn't "seem" or "look" gay, doesn't mean he isn't. It's not like I know a lot about this, but that sounds logical to me.
Umm...there are far far FAR more gay people than politicians, the analogy doesn't really work.
And just because you don't know gay people in your area, it doesn't mean there aren't any others there. In fact I would guess you know a tiny slither of your city/town's gay population.
I only know a few homosexuals in my area, not sure about the areas Clem has been in the game, just saying it may be a fairly accurate depectio… moren of your chances of running into a gay person after the world has gone to shit (I mean, we haven't seen any politicians yet). I wouldn't mind seeing a couple like that in season two though.
I know a very large portion of my community from doing community service and working in a few retail places, not to mention I have talked with some of the gay people I know and they (for the most part) only mention the other people I already know. Are there more? Probably, but that doesn't mean they are a majority in any sense.
The politician analogy works fine, I was just using it to showcase that they are a minority, as are homosexuals. The fact your are upset something isn't added is petty, should indians be mad? Or russians? Or bald eagles? Or married couples (since most people are not married in twd)? Or over weight people? Or satanists? Or pro-choice people? Or mentally stunted people? Or physically stunted people? Or dwarfs? Or clebs? Or artists or book writers?
All of the above groups are lacking or completely absent from the game, why should the homosexual demographic be place above all of them? (To add some detail to the conversation regarding race above: TWD has most skin colors covered, but not nearly all races.)
If they were to put something in and portray it in a negative way then it may be time to voice your anger, but until then I don't see it as very controversial and least of all it being wrong.
Umm...there are far far FAR more gay people than politicians, the analogy doesn't really work.
And just because you don't know gay people i… moren your area, it doesn't mean there aren't any others there. In fact I would guess you know a tiny slither of your city/town's gay population.
People relax. Downvotes don't say anything about who is or isn't related to the subject matter, or disposition. Maybe they just don't want you talking about downvotes, we'll never know.
"Why the dislikes?" Because it's very presumptuous of you and a bold, accusatory statement against the people who made the very games you like to play, and I would advise you refrain from that sort of speculation lest crap like this starts to flare up again.
I know a very large portion of my community from doing community service and working in a few retail places, not to mention I have talked with… more some of the gay people I know and they (for the most part) only mention the other people I already know. Are there more? Probably, but that doesn't mean they are a majority in any sense.
The politician analogy works fine, I was just using it to showcase that they are a minority, as are homosexuals. The fact your are upset something isn't added is petty, should indians be mad? Or russians? Or bald eagles? Or married couples (since most people are not married in twd)? Or over weight people? Or satanists? Or pro-choice people? Or mentally stunted people? Or physically stunted people? Or dwarfs? Or clebs? Or artists or book writers?
All of the above groups are lacking or completely absent from the game, why should the homosexual demographic be place above all of them? (To add some detail to the conversat… [view original content]
Relax? I'm as calm as a hindu cow. I rather enjoy engaging other people in arguments, sometimes I do it even if I don't agree with the point I am making, just to see if I have the wits to make a convincing argument, but I digress.
People relax. Downvotes don't say anything about who is or isn't related to the subject matter, or disposition. Maybe they just don't want you… more talking about downvotes, we'll never know.
"Why the dislikes?" Because it's very presumptuous of you and a bold, accusatory statement against the people who made the very games you like to play, and I would advise you refrain from that sort of speculation lest crap like this starts to flare up again.
I loved it 'cause there was a certain levity to it that called for laughs instead of seriousness. Kenny came out as someone with a silly prejudice, but it's not like he was burning a cross or anything! And Lee's reaction is hilarious too.
Really? Really now? Oh yeah, because there is so much time for these characters to establish what sexuality they are when they're being chased by zombies, bandits, and whatever else is coming after them. Just because you don't show it or bring attention to it doesn't mean it isn't there. Maybe they'll include it in the future. I mean, it's like saying "HEY! There are cats in America and I haven't seen one freakin' cat yet. I think this game is ailurophobic."
Besides, there are some in this game who aren't for sure heterosexual. Glenn could be homosexual for all you know (as a quick example because I love him.)
I loved it 'cause there was a certain levity to it that called for laughs instead of seriousness. Kenny came out as someone with a silly prejudice, but it's not like he was burning a cross or anything! And Lee's reaction is hilarious too.
Well actually if you've ever read the comic or don't mind spoilers, there's cold hard evidence that points to the contrary. It's also easily established in episode 1 of the the video game Season 1. Glenn is not gay.
A better example would be Chuck. He doesn't have or allude to an established/former heterosexual relationship, nor does he exist as an interest for any of the known female characters. Some of the bandits might be gay, but they don't matter, they're EVIL. Maybe Molly's gay. Vernon, Brie, Clive, Boyd and Joyce haven't alluded to any personal relationships other than being cancer survivors. Vince, Wyatt, Stephanie, Shel, Roman and Tavia from 400 Days might be gay. From Season 2: Michelle, Pete, Nick, Luke, Winston, Ralph, Victor, and Carver(but he's EVIL too). I think that's it for possibilities.
Really? Really now? Oh yeah, because there is so much time for these characters to establish what sexuality they are when they're being chased… more by zombies, bandits, and whatever else is coming after them. Just because you don't show it or bring attention to it doesn't mean it isn't there. Maybe they'll include it in the future. I mean, it's like saying "HEY! There are cats in America and I haven't seen one freakin' cat yet. I think this game is ailurophobic."
Besides, there are some in this game who aren't for sure heterosexual. Glenn could be homosexual for all you know (as a quick example because I love him.)
Ah, I forgot about that one moment with Glenn. Thanks for correcting me, though we could still take many characters and say the exact same thing. There could be gay ones.
Well actually if you've ever read the comic or don't mind spoilers, there's cold hard evidence that points to the contrary. It's also easily e… morestablished in episode 1 of the the video game Season 1. Glenn is not gay.
A better example would be Chuck. He doesn't have or allude to an established/former heterosexual relationship, nor does he exist as an interest for any of the known female characters. Some of the bandits might be gay, but they don't matter, they're EVIL. Maybe Molly's gay. Vernon, Brie, Clive, Boyd and Joyce haven't alluded to any personal relationships other than being cancer survivors. Vince, Wyatt, Stephanie, Shel, Roman and Tavia from 400 Days might be gay. From Season 2: Michelle, Pete, Nick, Luke, Winston, Ralph, Victor, and Carver(but he's EVIL too). I think that's it for possibilities.
I know. I was just bringing up the existence. A good scene for a character, at least to be considered the best, has to be universally good. Kenny saving Lee in Episode 1? I doubt anyone hated him at that point. Saving the group/murdering another man. (depending on your perspective) is what some consider his best scene.
Ah, I forgot about that one moment with Glenn. Thanks for correcting me, though we could still take many characters and say the exact same thing. There could be gay ones.
Alright, before I start this post, I'd like to note that I'm gay myself, so no homophobia over here.
The thing is, a homosexual would be extremely rare to find in a ZA. Aside from the fact there are zombies, bandits and god-knows-what trying to kill them, homosexuals only make up about 5% of the population. I think the ZA has effectively wiped out 97% of the population of humans. Homosexuals wouldn't be zombie-free as well, so if the population hadn't been destroyed enough, there'd only be a very small pool of homosexuals left. Consider this with the issues of where people are placed, whether there'd be enough, if any, calm to develop a relationship, if the people are right for each other or not, not to mention any repercussions for just being an open homosexual or making a move on someone. As we've seen in the comics with Negan, the ZA is a backwards world, racism everywhere you go (exaggeration) and if there's racism there is most certainly homophobia.
Aside from risks, there is also an unlikely chance that compatible homosexuals would be paired together in a group, considering that most groups are small, like the group in the game at the Motor Inn. However, that would not mean it would be impossible, as demonstrated by Aaron and Eric from the comics (Aaron and Eric were a homosexual couple). However, I feel it would be unrealistic to implement a homosexual couple into the current Cabin group, and we would need an even bigger group to even find 2 homosexuals. The only realistic way of implementing a homosexual couple would be that the player character would be in that couple (obviously this is not happening with Clementine... I hope). Honestly, I thought that after seeing the romantic options with Carley, Lee and Doug would be revealed to be bisexual, to balance it out, but Telltale dodged a bullet on that one (I'm not sure many people would have taken that offer, anyway :P).
Tl;dr: Homosexual couples aren't happening in The Walking Dead: Season 2 unless we find a new group.
I know a very large portion of my community from doing community service and working in a few retail places, not to mention I have talked with… more some of the gay people I know and they (for the most part) only mention the other people I already know. Are there more? Probably, but that doesn't mean they are a majority in any sense.
The politician analogy works fine, I was just using it to showcase that they are a minority, as are homosexuals. The fact your are upset something isn't added is petty, should indians be mad? Or russians? Or bald eagles? Or married couples (since most people are not married in twd)? Or over weight people? Or satanists? Or pro-choice people? Or mentally stunted people? Or physically stunted people? Or dwarfs? Or clebs? Or artists or book writers?
All of the above groups are lacking or completely absent from the game, why should the homosexual demographic be place above all of them? (To add some detail to the conversat… [view original content]
I don't think Telltale is homophobic, for all we know there may have been a homosexual person in the game. The thing is that unlike race which you can generally tell by looking at a person, unless a character starts talking about his/her sexuality or has a partner in the game you can't really tell if they are gay or not.
So are gay people and lesbians though, and telltale hasn't shown one of them in any capacity at all.
If having multiple races makes you non-racist, doesn't that make telltale homophobic by this threads definition?
Ah, I forgot about that one moment with Glenn. Thanks for correcting me, though we could still take many characters and say the exact same thing. There could be gay ones.
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Yeah.
I must say that it's irritating that everyone here seems to agree racism is bad, but most think homophobia is okay, even though they are exactly the same thing: judging someone based on something outside of their control.
Unless they all think it's a choice or something, but I assumed Telltale had smarter fans than that.
Sex hardly enters into the game at all. The closest we got to it in season 1 was Carley and Lee's mild and awkward flirtation so its hard to say for sure about all of the characters what their inclinations are.
When did I mention sex?
Keep that shit in your mouth!
Funny, someone was arguing vehemently a month ago that Lee's death was racist. "Seems like such a long time ago, now."
And if Carlos says "Dios mio", "ay carumba", "ay chiwawa" or any Spanish catchphrase without totally losing his "I'm among English speakers so I should be speaking English" shit(there's probably a word for that), I'm gonna flip my shit.
Don't worry. I'm not social, so the worst shit that comes out of my mouth is about a spoiled brat I know.
At least not social in real life.
Yup. What's great about it is that it's appropriate to the situation, too.
You mentioned sexual orientation. Sexual attraction enters into that, doesnt it? That's what I was referring to.
Awesome game. The Walking Dead is better though (at leat the story).
Not really. In season 1 there was no sex, but at least 10 straight characters.
Hey, his mustache is god-like! Ain't no way THAT'S a glitch!
"Dios mío" is ok for me, although I'm more used to just hearing "Dios". But if Carlos ever says "Ay, Chihuahua!", I'm gonna throw my computer out the window. Seriously.
Considering from our down votes, I think theres a large amount of narrow minded people. I am straight and as hard as this may be to comprehend I have no problem with gay people! I know right.. CRAZY!
I think KCohere is saying that as far as we know characters in season 1 could of been gay, because it is never explored in the game peoples sexuality.
Heterosexuality was explored in the first game. We had several straight couples, and several people like Wyatt, Eddie and Nate who are obviously straight or at least bisexual judging by their comments about women.
I only know a few homosexuals in my area, not sure about the areas Clem has been in the game, just saying it may be a fairly accurate depection of your chances of running into a gay person after the world has gone to shit (I mean, we haven't seen any politicians yet). I wouldn't mind seeing a couple like that in season two though.
You sure about Eddie? Because I remember reading the dialog choice "Why is it that you don't have a girlfriend?" and going "Mm...".
Also, just becuase a person or character doesn't "seem" or "look" gay, doesn't mean he isn't. It's not like I know a lot about this, but that sounds logical to me.
Maybe the politicians part is because Lee killed one of the few left.
Or one of the worst, if you think racism is going to make the world spontaneously combust or something.
Though I liked it.
I know that; I'm not going on whether characters 'seem' or 'look' straight, but why would a gay guy ask Russel to rate a girl out of ten and ask whether his teenage girl friend was attractive?
And I thought Eddie made some comments about girlfriends, maybe I was wrong.
But still, we have at least 10 obviously straight (because they make it obvious) people in season 1 and 0 homosexual relationships of the same caliber.
Umm...there are far far FAR more gay people than politicians, the analogy doesn't really work.
And just because you don't know gay people in your area, it doesn't mean there aren't any others there. In fact I would guess you know a tiny slither of your city/town's gay population.
I know a very large portion of my community from doing community service and working in a few retail places, not to mention I have talked with some of the gay people I know and they (for the most part) only mention the other people I already know. Are there more? Probably, but that doesn't mean they are a majority in any sense.
The politician analogy works fine, I was just using it to showcase that they are a minority, as are homosexuals. The fact your are upset something isn't added is petty, should indians be mad? Or russians? Or bald eagles? Or married couples (since most people are not married in twd)? Or over weight people? Or satanists? Or pro-choice people? Or mentally stunted people? Or physically stunted people? Or dwarfs? Or clebs? Or artists or book writers?
All of the above groups are lacking or completely absent from the game, why should the homosexual demographic be place above all of them? (To add some detail to the conversation regarding race above: TWD has most skin colors covered, but not nearly all races.)
If they were to put something in and portray it in a negative way then it may be time to voice your anger, but until then I don't see it as very controversial and least of all it being wrong.
People relax. Downvotes don't say anything about who is or isn't related to the subject matter, or disposition. Maybe they just don't want you talking about downvotes, we'll never know.
"Why the dislikes?" Because it's very presumptuous of you and a bold, accusatory statement against the people who made the very games you like to play, and I would advise you refrain from that sort of speculation lest crap like this starts to flare up again.
Relax? I'm as calm as a hindu cow. I rather enjoy engaging other people in arguments, sometimes I do it even if I don't agree with the point I am making, just to see if I have the wits to make a convincing argument, but I digress.
I loved it 'cause there was a certain levity to it that called for laughs instead of seriousness. Kenny came out as someone with a silly prejudice, but it's not like he was burning a cross or anything! And Lee's reaction is hilarious too.
Really? Really now? Oh yeah, because there is so much time for these characters to establish what sexuality they are when they're being chased by zombies, bandits, and whatever else is coming after them. Just because you don't show it or bring attention to it doesn't mean it isn't there. Maybe they'll include it in the future. I mean, it's like saying "HEY! There are cats in America and I haven't seen one freakin' cat yet. I think this game is ailurophobic."
Besides, there are some in this game who aren't for sure heterosexual. Glenn could be homosexual for all you know (as a quick example because I love him.)
I know, but there exist people who want to tear Kenny limb from limb for that one line.
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Yeah, but I think that's a minority (no pun intended).
Well actually if you've ever read the comic or don't mind spoilers, there's cold hard evidence that points to the contrary. It's also easily established in episode 1 of the the video game Season 1. Glenn is not gay.
A better example would be Chuck. He doesn't have or allude to an established/former heterosexual relationship, nor does he exist as an interest for any of the known female characters. Some of the bandits might be gay, but they don't matter, they're EVIL. Maybe Molly's gay. Vernon, Brie, Clive, Boyd and Joyce haven't alluded to any personal relationships other than being cancer survivors. Vince, Wyatt, Stephanie, Shel, Roman and Tavia from 400 Days might be gay. From Season 2: Michelle, Pete, Nick, Luke, Winston, Ralph, Victor, and Carver(but he's EVIL too). I think that's it for possibilities.
Ah, I forgot about that one moment with Glenn. Thanks for correcting me, though we could still take many characters and say the exact same thing. There could be gay ones.
I know. I was just bringing up the existence. A good scene for a character, at least to be considered the best, has to be universally good. Kenny saving Lee in Episode 1? I doubt anyone hated him at that point. Saving the group/murdering another man. (depending on your perspective) is what some consider his best scene.
Also:
Nice pun.
Maggie Greene is disappointed in you.
Alright, before I start this post, I'd like to note that I'm gay myself, so no homophobia over here.
The thing is, a homosexual would be extremely rare to find in a ZA. Aside from the fact there are zombies, bandits and god-knows-what trying to kill them, homosexuals only make up about 5% of the population. I think the ZA has effectively wiped out 97% of the population of humans. Homosexuals wouldn't be zombie-free as well, so if the population hadn't been destroyed enough, there'd only be a very small pool of homosexuals left. Consider this with the issues of where people are placed, whether there'd be enough, if any, calm to develop a relationship, if the people are right for each other or not, not to mention any repercussions for just being an open homosexual or making a move on someone. As we've seen in the comics with Negan, the ZA is a backwards world, racism everywhere you go (exaggeration) and if there's racism there is most certainly homophobia.
Aside from risks, there is also an unlikely chance that compatible homosexuals would be paired together in a group, considering that most groups are small, like the group in the game at the Motor Inn. However, that would not mean it would be impossible, as demonstrated by Aaron and Eric from the comics (Aaron and Eric were a homosexual couple). However, I feel it would be unrealistic to implement a homosexual couple into the current Cabin group, and we would need an even bigger group to even find 2 homosexuals. The only realistic way of implementing a homosexual couple would be that the player character would be in that couple (obviously this is not happening with Clementine... I hope). Honestly, I thought that after seeing the romantic options with Carley, Lee and Doug would be revealed to be bisexual, to balance it out, but Telltale dodged a bullet on that one (I'm not sure many people would have taken that offer, anyway :P).
Tl;dr: Homosexual couples aren't happening in The Walking Dead: Season 2 unless we find a new group.
I don't think Telltale is homophobic, for all we know there may have been a homosexual person in the game. The thing is that unlike race which you can generally tell by looking at a person, unless a character starts talking about his/her sexuality or has a partner in the game you can't really tell if they are gay or not.
I think the dislikes are because you are implying that Telltale is homophobic, not because the people on the forums are homophobes.
Dude, there's like a whole contingent of fans who are deeply in denial about it
"I thought you were dead!"
Turns out to be Clementine's flamboyant gay neighbor!
Lol I think its a bit of both