Ha, I forgot the specifics as well, it was from Ellie's mother to Marlene, and it was talking about how much she loved Ellie, but that if anything happened to her, she wanted Marlene to take care of Ellie.
Kevin Bruner, the founder and co-owner of Telltale games, said the following in a REDDIT discussion:
My canon comment was supposed to be about The Wolf Among Us (which IS canon in the Fables universe), not The Walking Dead, which is obviously NOT canon.
Take that as you will.
I really am subpar for this conversation seeing as I have done no research on the times the games have taken place and the time the games have encompassed, so I concede from this point forward. Cya in another thread
I'm 100% certain that Telltale's is still canon to the comics. However, if they were talking about the specific time when it started, they cou… moreld be right because even Robert Kirkman says that when it started doesn't matter in TWD. Technically, it isn't even 2007 in the comics, yet according to Kirkman, you could say it was 2014 and still be right, because it doesn't matter.
Right but seeing as we (I) didn't know what time they started that is irrelevant. The time of 20 years later in tlou could have been the time TWD's ZA started.
Oh the "take care of Ellie" note right! I don't see why that couldn't have been given to her before Ellie was 3-4 years old (the average time a child can retaining memories of faces etc).
Ha, I forgot the specifics as well, it was from Ellie's mother to Marlene, and it was talking about how much she loved Ellie, but that if anything happened to her, she wanted Marlene to take care of Ellie.
Well, I'm off both the FAQ for Season 1(and 2), and several videos they have posted on their youtube channel saying that it is canon to the comics, but okay.
Also, I thought that they said that The Wolf Among Us wasn't canon to Fables, but i'm not sure about that.
Kevin Bruner, the founder and co-owner of Telltale games, said the following in a REDDIT discussion:
My canon comment was supposed to be ab… moreout The Wolf Among Us (which IS canon in the Fables universe), not The Walking Dead, which is obviously NOT canon.
Take that as you will.
I really am subpar for this conversation seeing as I have done no research on the times the games have taken place and the time the games have encompassed, so I concede from this point forward. Cya in another thread
Oh the "take care of Ellie" note right! I don't see why that couldn't have been given to her before Ellie was 3-4 years old (the average time a child can retaining memories of faces etc).
Again, I don't know. I just get contradicting information, I just wanted to show that I had heard it somewhere else and wasn't pulling stuff right out my arse.
Well, I'm off both the FAQ for Season 1(and 2), and several videos they have posted on their youtube channel saying that it is canon to the co… moremics, but okay.
Also, I thought that they said that The Wolf Among Us wasn't canon to Fables, but i'm not sure about that.
Why? Because I'd rather a little girl die for the chance for everyone to live than everyone in the world die for the chance that she doesn't get shot right after the end scene?
Why? Because I'd rather a little girl die for the chance for everyone to live than everyone in the world die for the chance that she doesn't get shot right after the end scene?
Yeah, they were mostly assholes, but you know what? Once the world is safe again, those guys wouldn't immediately go away, but the amazing thing about people is that we go against insane odds and win. Eventually, those dumb motherfuckers would all die or be thrown out of power.
"we go against insane odds and [i]win[/i]," including the ZA. You must not be a mother/father and I even doubt you have a niece or nephew you care deeply for. No offence intended. As Ellie played that role it would be impossible for any man in a correct state of mind to let the person they care for be killed in the hopes of a cure (I doubt I'd even do it for a cure that was proven to work). I see your point, if fact after I beat the game I thought a lot like you did, but after really seeing it from Joel's perspective I see there really was no other choice. Besides, I wouldn't want the reconstruction of the human race to be brought on by the death of a young girl.
Yeah, they were mostly assholes, but you know what? Once the world is safe again, those guys wouldn't immediately go away, but the amazing thi… moreng about people is that we go against insane odds and win. Eventually, those dumb motherfuckers would all die or be thrown out of power.
"I'd rather a little girl die," Sir it isn't better the second time and I'm going to have to ask you to leave if you continue in this manner! Slap Harpadarpa with a glove
"we go against insane odds and [i]win[/i]," including the ZA. You must not be a mother/father and I even doubt you have a niece or nephew you … morecare deeply for. No offence intended. As Ellie played that role it would be impossible for any man in a correct state of mind to let the person they care for be killed in the hopes of a cure (I doubt I'd even do it for a cure that was proven to work). I see your point, if fact after I beat the game I thought a lot like you did, but after really seeing it from Joel's perspective I see there really was no other choice. Besides, I wouldn't want the reconstruction of the human race to be brought on by the death of a young girl.
"I'd rather a little girl die," Sir it isn't better the second time and I'm going to have to ask you to leave if you continue in this manner! Slap Harpadarpa with a glove
No, our merited arguement is continuing above (or below? I'm lost in this thread!) and I don't like carrying on two conversations about the exact same topic.
No, our merited arguement is continuing above (or below? I'm lost in this thread!) and I don't like carrying on two conversations about the exact same topic.
"The USCB estimates that the world population exceeded 7 billion on March 12, 2012." We will use 7 bill as the base number. I read somewhere (one or more of the TLOU wiki's) that 80% of the worlds population was destroyed in the first stages of the outbreak. I'd give at least another 5% after the initial outbreak. We will say 55% of the population left are girls (average female population is slightly higher than male population (or at least is was until China...)) The majority of them would be adults but we will say 50/50... I hit esc on my calculator and I'm not doing the math again, but it isn't very high. And more-so important is that I didn't bond with any of the other girls, so no I wouldn't kill her if it saved billions of other girls (much like I would never sacrifice my niece for any amount of other people).
Ellie didn't know because she was confused and didn't know what had happened when she awoke in the truck. If they had talked to her and Joel before and let her decide (I'm fairly sure she would have chosen to give her life because of the cutscene at the end where she talks about Riley) to give her life or not then it would have been heroic, that would have been a fantastic way to end the game. A young woman willingly gave her life to give humanity a chance, it's almost poetic. It would have been a tough ending to swallow, the tears would have nearly drown me (even though self-sacfrice is one of the biggest tropes in all media, ever). Seeing as they were going to straight out murder her... I wasn't going to let that happen.
Even if it meant hundreds, if not thousands, if not millions of other little girls could live?
They never made it truly clear if Ellie knew, but the sensible thing to do I suppose would be to let her decide.
It's possible she knew, and was just surprised she woke up at all. If I remember correctly (I might not, this is a memory from a while ago), before she even has much of a chance to say anything other than "What happened?" Joel says they decided not to do it. I feel like Ellie would have been right skirting around the whole death thing.
"The USCB estimates that the world population exceeded 7 billion on March 12, 2012." We will use 7 bill as the base number. I read somewhere (… moreone or more of the TLOU wiki's) that 80% of the worlds population was destroyed in the first stages of the outbreak. I'd give at least another 5% after the initial outbreak. We will say 55% of the population left are girls (average female population is slightly higher than male population (or at least is was until China...)) The majority of them would be adults but we will say 50/50... I hit esc on my calculator and I'm not doing the math again, but it isn't very high. And more-so important is that I didn't bond with any of the other girls, so no I wouldn't kill her if it saved billions of other girls (much like I would never sacrifice my niece for any amount of other people).
Ellie didn't know because she was confused and didn't know what had happened when she awoke in the truck. If they had talked to h… [view original content]
Your position on horribly bad is drastically different from mine, so it doesn't matter.
"What am I wearing?" She would have known why she was in a patient outfit (for lack of better words, I don't know the proper terminology)
"What happened?" She didn't understand what had happened because she was drugged the entire time
They have a short conversation about why they didn't make a vaccine and why they were leaving, Joel 'explains' there were more like her and they stopped looking for a cure. An obvious lie from our POV but she believes him
Not to mention if she had been informed of the outcome of her helping them attempt to make vaccine, then Marlene would have used this to reason with Joel when Joel meets her while carrying Ellie to the car.
She was most definitely not informed of the outcome of the operation prior to being stapped in and nearly cut open. It was murder in the making.
I disagree, and think that that's horribly bad.
It's possible she knew, and was just surprised she woke up at all. If I remember correctly … more(I might not, this is a memory from a while ago), before she even has much of a chance to say anything other than "What happened?" Joel says they decided not to do it. I feel like Ellie would have been right skirting around the whole death thing.
The death of billions for the one? That's pretty horrible.
There were a lot of things she didn't know about. It's very possible that patient clothes were another thing that she never learned of. Clothes seem to be just clothes to her.
Ah, right. If that were true, I would've been glad to take Ellie and fuck off.
She said something along those lines. It was, "This is what she wanted." Wasn't it?
Your position on horribly bad is drastically different from mine, so it doesn't matter.
"What am I wearing?" She would have known why she w… moreas in a patient outfit (for lack of better words, I don't know the proper terminology)
"What happened?" She didn't understand what had happened because she was drugged the entire time
They have a short conversation about why they didn't make a vaccine and why they were leaving, Joel 'explains' there were more like her and they stopped looking for a cure. An obvious lie from our POV but she believes him
Not to mention if she had been informed of the outcome of her helping them attempt to make vaccine, then Marlene would have used this to reason with Joel when Joel meets her while carrying Ellie to the car.
She was most definitely not informed of the outcome of the operation prior to being stapped in and nearly cut open. It was murder in the making.
I love how people love a villainous thing that Clem says, just because they liked her in Season 1. I get the feeling that we're going to have the Rick Grimes (comic) effect. We're going to slowly disconnect from her, until we consider her the same level or worse than Rebecca.
Killing a loved one on an off chance it could make a vaccine? For a world hardly deserving of it? Which would be horded and used by the Fireflies for political gain over the army? That's pretty horrible.
She would have realized what they were, or why she was in them. Not to mention she would have been awake when she put them on, unless she was drugged and others put them on her (there is no reason to drug her and then put the clothes on her when she could and would (probably would even want to)) put them on herself.
Wait what? Lol
"This is what she would have wanted. And you know that!" <-- Marlene. Meaning she hadn't asked her.
It was without a doubt murder in the making. Though, I definitely agree if Marlene, Joel, and Ellie had sat down and talked about it that Ellie would have given herself up for the cause and Joel would have had no choice but to agree and grieve. If only Marlene hadn't underestimated the bond Joel and Ellie had (or had had the common decency to let Ellie decide and let Ellie and Joel say their goodbyes). But seeing as that didn't happen, I am content with the ending. The controversiality of the ending is the part I really like, look at both of us arguing over the right vs wrong this ending has, months and months after it's been out!
The death of billions for the one? That's pretty horrible.
There were a lot of things she didn't know about. It's very possible that pati… moreent clothes were another thing that she never learned of. Clothes seem to be just clothes to her.
Ah, right. If that were true, I would've been glad to take Ellie and fuck off.
She said something along those lines. It was, "This is what she wanted." Wasn't it?
I don't know, man.
I doubt it. I don't see her becoming any more disconnected than Ellie, who was still very relatable throughout the entire game. I don't mind playing as a complete psychopath, so why would I mind playing as someone who is slightly disconnected?
Honestly, the fact that we play as her already greatly disconnects me from the character. I don't expect to maintain the level of connection that I did with season 1 Clem. I said from the beginning that Clementine as the protagonist would be a mistake, long before it was announced that she would be. Unlike you, however, I don't have any problem with what she has become as a character.
I love how people love a villainous thing that Clem says, just because they liked her in Season 1. I get the feeling that we're going to have … morethe Rick Grimes (comic) effect. We're going to slowly disconnect from her, until we consider her the same level or worse than Rebecca.
How can you be so sure? That's the one part of the comics that the game never got. Hate your hero. I mean... Not all the time. Rick goes in between an awesome fucking dude, and the worst character. Sometimes he's Saving Carl's life from rapists, other times, he's biting people's flesh off. By now, they're so good at this in the comics that it's almost like a switch. For example, both of my examples were from the same scene.
How can you be so sure? That's the one part of the comics that the game never got. Hate your hero. I mean... Not all the time. Rick goes in be… moretween an awesome fucking dude, and the worst character. Sometimes he's Saving Carl's life from rapists, other times, he's biting people's flesh off. By now, they're so good at this in the comics that it's almost like a switch. For example, both of my examples were from the same scene.
I felt more connected to Ellie than I did to Clem. Only difference was that Clem needed me more than Ellie. The game is good at making me feel protective towards her. Anyways, maybe you'll mind playing just a straight up bad person? Because if we're going by the comics, Rick has some reason, when he snaps, to snap. But it never quite fits. What does he do to Tyresse when he fucking cheats on someone? He beats the shit out of him, and makes them both go off the second floor.
Anyways, yeah, I agree wholely with the second paragraph... Aside from when you say you disagree with me, of course.
I doubt it. I don't see her becoming any more disconnected than Ellie, who was still very relatable throughout the entire game. I don't mind… more playing as a complete psychopath, so why would I mind playing as someone who is slightly disconnected?
Honestly, the fact that we play as her already greatly disconnects me from the character. I don't expect to maintain the level of connection that I did with season 1 Clem. I said from the beginning that Clementine as the protagonist would be a mistake, long before it was announced that she would be. Unlike you, however, I don't have any problem with what she has become as a character.
Maybe that's the point. Maybe we're not supposed to feel happy. I'd be cool with that. Also, yes they are, but the game has always claimed to have the same themes as the comic, but one of the big ones is about how people go crazy in times of hardship, and how we shouldn't begrudge them for it. We certainly have the first part, but the latter, not so much.
I felt more connected to Ellie than season 2 Clem, but in season 1 I definitely had a much stronger connection with Clem. I just can't really get into a character I am playing. I always impose my own personality upon the PC, and my personality is very different from Clementine's. It would be like feeling connected to myself, which is kind of weird.
As for the bad person thing, I enjoy it in some games but it definitely wouldn't fit in this one. Playing as an evil little girl would just be silly. Manipulative is alright, but straight up cruel? It would definitely require suspension of disbelief.
I felt more connected to Ellie than I did to Clem. Only difference was that Clem needed me more than Ellie. The game is good at making me feel… more protective towards her. Anyways, maybe you'll mind playing just a straight up bad person? Because if we're going by the comics, Rick has some reason, when he snaps, to snap. But it never quite fits. What does he do to Tyresse when he fucking cheats on someone? He beats the shit out of him, and makes them both go off the second floor.
Anyways, yeah, I agree wholely with the second paragraph... Aside from when you say you disagree with me, of course.
There is a huge difference between happiness and appealing. We aren't supposed to be happy, by the genre the game is based in sadness, but the game needs to be appealing to the people who play it. I agree the themes of the game and comics are the same, but the ambiance in both is drastically different. The comic and game are dark and dismal, but the comics are far more in both regards. Which is actually a reason I don't read the comics, there is a boundry between a good story based in harsh realms and a story being bad for the sake of being bad, the comics have crossed that line for me.
Maybe that's the point. Maybe we're not supposed to feel happy. I'd be cool with that. Also, yes they are, but the game has always claimed to … morehave the same themes as the comic, but one of the big ones is about how people go crazy in times of hardship, and how we shouldn't begrudge them for it. We certainly have the first part, but the latter, not so much.
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Ha, I forgot the specifics as well, it was from Ellie's mother to Marlene, and it was talking about how much she loved Ellie, but that if anything happened to her, she wanted Marlene to take care of Ellie.
Kevin Bruner, the founder and co-owner of Telltale games, said the following in a REDDIT discussion:
My canon comment was supposed to be about The Wolf Among Us (which IS canon in the Fables universe), not The Walking Dead, which is obviously NOT canon.
Take that as you will.
I really am subpar for this conversation seeing as I have done no research on the times the games have taken place and the time the games have encompassed, so I concede from this point forward. Cya in another thread
Right but seeing as we (I) didn't know what time they started that is irrelevant. The time of 20 years later in tlou could have been the time TWD's ZA started.
Oh the "take care of Ellie" note right! I don't see why that couldn't have been given to her before Ellie was 3-4 years old (the average time a child can retaining memories of faces etc).
It's either her, or possibly the human race. It's tough, but the human race wins.
Yeah-no, she would've died long before she lived to old age.
There's one similarity beteween Lee and Ellie.
They're both dead to me.
Lee physically.
Ellie in my mind.
Well, I'm off both the FAQ for Season 1(and 2), and several videos they have posted on their youtube channel saying that it is canon to the comics, but okay.
Also, I thought that they said that The Wolf Among Us wasn't canon to Fables, but i'm not sure about that.
Could be, either way, neither of us will really know for sure. Unless of course one of us is overlooking something.
Again, I don't know. I just get contradicting information, I just wanted to show that I had heard it somewhere else and wasn't pulling stuff right out my arse.
Did you see what was left of the human race? Sorry to disagree so adamantly but, again, fuck that. Lol
I'm fairly, don't quote me, that she or Marlene mentions she didn't know her mother, but again It's been so long lol.
fairly sure**
Why? Because I'd rather a little girl die for the chance for everyone to live than everyone in the world die for the chance that she doesn't get shot right after the end scene?
"Because I'd rather a little girl die," sir I'm going to have to stop you there....
Yeah, they were mostly assholes, but you know what? Once the world is safe again, those guys wouldn't immediately go away, but the amazing thing about people is that we go against insane odds and win. Eventually, those dumb motherfuckers would all die or be thrown out of power.
Ok, let me rephrase. I'd rather a little girl die than all the little girls on earth.
"we go against insane odds and [i]win[/i]," including the ZA. You must not be a mother/father and I even doubt you have a niece or nephew you care deeply for. No offence intended. As Ellie played that role it would be impossible for any man in a correct state of mind to let the person they care for be killed in the hopes of a cure (I doubt I'd even do it for a cure that was proven to work). I see your point, if fact after I beat the game I thought a lot like you did, but after really seeing it from Joel's perspective I see there really was no other choice. Besides, I wouldn't want the reconstruction of the human race to be brought on by the death of a young girl.
"I'd rather a little girl die," Sir it isn't better the second time and I'm going to have to ask you to leave if you continue in this manner! Slap Harpadarpa with a glove
Even if it meant hundreds, if not thousands, if not millions of other little girls could live?
They never made it truly clear if Ellie knew, but the sensible thing to do I suppose would be to let her decide.
Ok, can you respond to what I'm actually saying now?
No, our merited arguement is continuing above (or below? I'm lost in this thread!) and I don't like carrying on two conversations about the exact same topic.
Oh shit, for some reason, I thought one of you was saltlick.
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... >.>
Lmao :P
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Clementine she is cute, smart and sweet and very brave little girl.
"The USCB estimates that the world population exceeded 7 billion on March 12, 2012." We will use 7 bill as the base number. I read somewhere (one or more of the TLOU wiki's) that 80% of the worlds population was destroyed in the first stages of the outbreak. I'd give at least another 5% after the initial outbreak. We will say 55% of the population left are girls (average female population is slightly higher than male population (or at least is was until China...)) The majority of them would be adults but we will say 50/50... I hit esc on my calculator and I'm not doing the math again, but it isn't very high. And more-so important is that I didn't bond with any of the other girls, so no I wouldn't kill her if it saved billions of other girls (much like I would never sacrifice my niece for any amount of other people).
Ellie didn't know because she was confused and didn't know what had happened when she awoke in the truck. If they had talked to her and Joel before and let her decide (I'm fairly sure she would have chosen to give her life because of the cutscene at the end where she talks about Riley) to give her life or not then it would have been heroic, that would have been a fantastic way to end the game. A young woman willingly gave her life to give humanity a chance, it's almost poetic. It would have been a tough ending to swallow, the tears would have nearly drown me (even though self-sacfrice is one of the biggest tropes in all media, ever). Seeing as they were going to straight out murder her... I wasn't going to let that happen.
I disagree, and think that that's horribly bad.
It's possible she knew, and was just surprised she woke up at all. If I remember correctly (I might not, this is a memory from a while ago), before she even has much of a chance to say anything other than "What happened?" Joel says they decided not to do it. I feel like Ellie would have been right skirting around the whole death thing.
aww she's sweet, look at her big brown eyes, cute.
Your position on horribly bad is drastically different from mine, so it doesn't matter.
"What am I wearing?" She would have known why she was in a patient outfit (for lack of better words, I don't know the proper terminology)
"What happened?" She didn't understand what had happened because she was drugged the entire time
They have a short conversation about why they didn't make a vaccine and why they were leaving, Joel 'explains' there were more like her and they stopped looking for a cure. An obvious lie from our POV but she believes him
Not to mention if she had been informed of the outcome of her helping them attempt to make vaccine, then Marlene would have used this to reason with Joel when Joel meets her while carrying Ellie to the car.
She was most definitely not informed of the outcome of the operation prior to being stapped in and nearly cut open. It was murder in the making.
The death of billions for the one? That's pretty horrible.
There were a lot of things she didn't know about. It's very possible that patient clothes were another thing that she never learned of. Clothes seem to be just clothes to her.
Ah, right. If that were true, I would've been glad to take Ellie and fuck off.
She said something along those lines. It was, "This is what she wanted." Wasn't it?
I don't know, man.
I love how people love a villainous thing that Clem says, just because they liked her in Season 1. I get the feeling that we're going to have the Rick Grimes (comic) effect. We're going to slowly disconnect from her, until we consider her the same level or worse than Rebecca.
Killing a loved one on an off chance it could make a vaccine? For a world hardly deserving of it? Which would be horded and used by the Fireflies for political gain over the army? That's pretty horrible.
She would have realized what they were, or why she was in them. Not to mention she would have been awake when she put them on, unless she was drugged and others put them on her (there is no reason to drug her and then put the clothes on her when she could and would (probably would even want to)) put them on herself.
Wait what? Lol
"This is what she would have wanted. And you know that!" <-- Marlene. Meaning she hadn't asked her.
It was without a doubt murder in the making. Though, I definitely agree if Marlene, Joel, and Ellie had sat down and talked about it that Ellie would have given herself up for the cause and Joel would have had no choice but to agree and grieve. If only Marlene hadn't underestimated the bond Joel and Ellie had (or had had the common decency to let Ellie decide and let Ellie and Joel say their goodbyes). But seeing as that didn't happen, I am content with the ending. The controversiality of the ending is the part I really like, look at both of us arguing over the right vs wrong this ending has, months and months after it's been out!
I doubt it. I don't see her becoming any more disconnected than Ellie, who was still very relatable throughout the entire game. I don't mind playing as a complete psychopath, so why would I mind playing as someone who is slightly disconnected?
Honestly, the fact that we play as her already greatly disconnects me from the character. I don't expect to maintain the level of connection that I did with season 1 Clem. I said from the beginning that Clementine as the protagonist would be a mistake, long before it was announced that she would be. Unlike you, however, I don't have any problem with what she has become as a character.
How can you be so sure? That's the one part of the comics that the game never got. Hate your hero. I mean... Not all the time. Rick goes in between an awesome fucking dude, and the worst character. Sometimes he's Saving Carl's life from rapists, other times, he's biting people's flesh off. By now, they're so good at this in the comics that it's almost like a switch. For example, both of my examples were from the same scene.
Because a terrible Clementine doesn't have the same appeal as a terrible Rick. Plus the comics and the game are very different.
I felt more connected to Ellie than I did to Clem. Only difference was that Clem needed me more than Ellie. The game is good at making me feel protective towards her. Anyways, maybe you'll mind playing just a straight up bad person? Because if we're going by the comics, Rick has some reason, when he snaps, to snap. But it never quite fits. What does he do to Tyresse when he fucking cheats on someone? He beats the shit out of him, and makes them both go off the second floor.
Anyways, yeah, I agree wholely with the second paragraph... Aside from when you say you disagree with me, of course.
Maybe that's the point. Maybe we're not supposed to feel happy. I'd be cool with that. Also, yes they are, but the game has always claimed to have the same themes as the comic, but one of the big ones is about how people go crazy in times of hardship, and how we shouldn't begrudge them for it. We certainly have the first part, but the latter, not so much.
I felt more connected to Ellie than season 2 Clem, but in season 1 I definitely had a much stronger connection with Clem. I just can't really get into a character I am playing. I always impose my own personality upon the PC, and my personality is very different from Clementine's. It would be like feeling connected to myself, which is kind of weird.
As for the bad person thing, I enjoy it in some games but it definitely wouldn't fit in this one. Playing as an evil little girl would just be silly. Manipulative is alright, but straight up cruel? It would definitely require suspension of disbelief.
There is a huge difference between happiness and appealing. We aren't supposed to be happy, by the genre the game is based in sadness, but the game needs to be appealing to the people who play it. I agree the themes of the game and comics are the same, but the ambiance in both is drastically different. The comic and game are dark and dismal, but the comics are far more in both regards. Which is actually a reason I don't read the comics, there is a boundry between a good story based in harsh realms and a story being bad for the sake of being bad, the comics have crossed that line for me.