I too am convinced that the episode was rewritten, what bugs me tho is... why would they remake episode 2 out of 5? I mean, if people guessed the shepherd's story correctly, I am assuming that all 4 episodes would have to be scrapped (in which case we'll probably see more big delays in the future, even tho Telltale I believe said they will be on schedule); otherwise, changing only such an early part of the story would make little sense, unless they really ran into trouble because of Snow's death. I assume Vertigo was well aware of TWAU's story before the game was released, and yet Snow's immediate "resurrection" just feels so awkward and out of place...
I agree with you, They could of just kept doing what they thought they would donand then maybe in ep 3 kill of the ginger dude which would probably cross him off the suspect list
I too am convinced that the episode was rewritten, what bugs me tho is... why would they remake episode 2 out of 5? I mean, if people guessed … morethe shepherd's story correctly, I am assuming that all 4 episodes would have to be scrapped (in which case we'll probably see more big delays in the future, even tho Telltale I believe said they will be on schedule); otherwise, changing only such an early part of the story would make little sense, unless they really ran into trouble because of Snow's death. I assume Vertigo was well aware of TWAU's story before the game was released, and yet Snow's immediate "resurrection" just feels so awkward and out of place...
Those scenes don't necessary appear in the next episode , but in the following episodeS. Also the scene where there's a werewolf (probably bigby) was showed at the end of both ep1 and ep2.
If the story was rewritten because people found out about 'the ginger guy'...that is, the writers at Telltale were floored when people had suspicions that the random guy with no name who keeps appearing in scenes for obscure reasons might be a suspect...then the writers at Telltale are pretty dumb and should probably not be allowed to write things.
Of course people are going to suspect him. They wouldn't have been so incompetent as to put him in the game and not expect that to happen. So no, that's really obviously not the reason so much of the episode was reworked.
Thats the easy way out you are taking, No the writers are not dumb but they clearly mishandled that characters, They wanted to make him suspicious but they overblown it by showing him everywhere and making it easy for the fans to notice this guy had to be related to the murders somehow
If the story was rewritten because people found out about 'the ginger guy'...that is, the writers at Telltale were floored when people had sus… morepicions that the random guy with no name who keeps appearing in scenes for obscure reasons might be a suspect...then the writers at Telltale are pretty dumb and should probably not be allowed to write things.
Of course people are going to suspect him. They wouldn't have been so incompetent as to put him in the game and not expect that to happen. So no, that's really obviously not the reason so much of the episode was reworked.
Your theory is that a game with a murder mystery as its central element and designed to be released in installments over the course of months, in the process undergoing the inevitable sustained observation and discussion by fans of every element they can find, would be so poorly planned that the mystery would unravel the moment people started paying attention to a character they weren't supposed to pay attention to.
No. I give the writers at Telltale a bit more credit than that. I suspect the episode was heavily redesigned, but that isn't the reason.
Thats the easy way out you are taking, No the writers are not dumb but they clearly mishandled that characters, They wanted to make him suspic… moreious but they overblown it by showing him everywhere and making it easy for the fans to notice this guy had to be related to the murders somehow
So your point is after having maybe half the game done they just randomly decided to change the whole direction of the game for no reason, Sorry im not buying it, No one knows the reason of the delay so im gonna stick with what makes the most sense, and assuming they just decided to change the whole game out of nowhere is not that answer
Your theory is that a game with a murder mystery as its central element and designed to be released in installments over the course of months,… more in the process undergoing the inevitable sustained observation and discussion by fans of every element they can find, would be so poorly planned that the mystery would unravel the moment people started paying attention to a character they weren't supposed to pay attention to.
No. I give the writers at Telltale a bit more credit than that. I suspect the episode was heavily redesigned, but that isn't the reason.
No, my point is that there are other reasons to redesign a game other than 'Oh my god! People noticed a character we deliberately placed in our game! Some of them even suspect that that character, one of maybe a dozen or so actual characters with speaking lines in the game, may have something to do with the murder! DAMAGE CONTROL!'
What is that reason? Hell if I know. But your explanation doesn't hold up under any rational scrutiny.
So your point is after having maybe half the game done they just randomly decided to change the whole direction of the game for no reason, Sor… morery im not buying it, No one knows the reason of the delay so im gonna stick with what makes the most sense, and assuming they just decided to change the whole game out of nowhere is not that answer
And I agree, If you pay attention to the end of the thread i said " Now i find myself wondering if its because of the ginger guy", If i have to guess im putting my money on it because t maks much more sense than just saying " there are other reasons", you dont agree with me, cool, im not gonna knock you off because i dont think what you are saying is accurate, We are all entitled to our own opinions
No, my point is that there are other reasons to redesign a game other than 'Oh my god! People noticed a character we deliberately placed in ou… morer game! Some of them even suspect that that character, one of maybe a dozen or so actual characters with speaking lines in the game, may have something to do with the murder! DAMAGE CONTROL!'
What is that reason? Hell if I know. But your explanation doesn't hold up under any rational scrutiny.
Well, A House Divided for TWD hasn't been delayed, and pretty much everyone is screaming that the "I thought you were dead" person is Kenny. So if Telltale is really willing to completely rewrite an entire season because of a few people predicting something, surely they would be doing the same thing for TWD right now, unless it's not Kenny and there's a big twist coming up.
Bigby did take the picture, but he left 2 pieces of evidence behind at the precinct. The note that the Detective scribbled down is one. The video camera recording his interview was another. I think it's very possible that she'll come back.
Well, A House Divided for TWD hasn't been delayed, and pretty much everyone is screaming that the "I thought you were dead" person is Kenny. S… moreo if Telltale is really willing to completely rewrite an entire season because of a few people predicting something, surely they would be doing the same thing for TWD right now, unless it's not Kenny and there's a big twist coming up.
Bigby did take the picture, but he left 2 pieces of evidence behind at the precinct. The note that the Detective scribbled down is one. The video camera recording his interview was another. I think it's very possible that she'll come back.
Bigby did take the picture, but he left 2 pieces of evidence behind at the precinct. The note that the Detective scribbled down is one. The video camera recording his interview was another. I think it's very possible that she'll come back.
It does feel rushed, it's pretty short and the story kinda don't add up here and there.
I'm prone to think that they, in fact, rewrite everything because people got the whole story right just after the first episode. Which would explain the insane release delay and lack of statement about it too.
Nevertheless, I think they should have sticked with the original story. You don't change it just because some people guessed it right after an insane detective work.
Also... will they need to redo all the episodes now? We get more delay on other episodes' release too?
I totally agree with you, and they said it was something that was wrong with the game and that it wouldn't happen again, so if they're saying that "no one will predict an ending again" is the case, then that's a little far fetched.
Well, A House Divided for TWD hasn't been delayed, and pretty much everyone is screaming that the "I thought you were dead" person is Kenny. S… moreo if Telltale is really willing to completely rewrite an entire season because of a few people predicting something, surely they would be doing the same thing for TWD right now, unless it's not Kenny and there's a big twist coming up.
Certainly possible, but that seems like it would imply we're not going to see his whole wolf form this season which I admit I would be pretty disappointed in.
I think this is way more plausable,SPOILERS FOR TWD, didn't someone suspect the stranger to be the guy in the end of ep3 on train? Im pretty sure some people here figured that out too but it still turned out great. So I think it was the creators of Fables that demanded some changes. I hope they keep the part about mundy cops going after Bigby in the game, that looked intriguing.
I mean really why should they change whole story even if they wanted ginger to be a killer? If i would be in their position i would make him even more suspicious and made small tweaks through the story/episodes and not made him a killer. On the other hand i didnt saw ginger guy in episode 2. WHY?! He was all over the place in episode 1. Episode two is sloopy in awkward thats a fact.
I found it entertaining but it also felt forced and rushed and I really think they changed something in their planning... Never was Snow to reappear so quickly - this was their biggest cliffhanger and hook of E1 and giving it up like this was WAY too easy... So - YES - they remade at least a big part of E2!!!
Also, there's nothing about 'killer being on the loose' as I didn't incarcerate Woodsman. And it probably won't make it to the next episode, as it wouldn't fit them at all.
And you never See Prince Lawrence ( Thats if you saved him) , You never push Crane around and ask him " What did you do?" , You don't become t… morehe wolf and Toad never asks you " Jesus Christ Bigby, is that you? , I wonder what made them remake the whole thing
Thought about this. Think I was the one to originally say that, or at least one of the first, but I've seen changed my mind since seeing an achievement for episode 3. Looks like there's a strong chance we'll see Bigby in wolf form during that episode.
They might be doing a breaking bad type thing where they show a little bit more of that scene in every preview and then we finally see it all in the final episode. It seems like there were heavy rewrites but i doubt they scrapped the entire episode
I think this is the most likely of any theories about changes to this chapter. As far as I can remember, this is the first Fables story not being written by Willingham, and that may have something to do with the delay.
For example, Willingham and the people at Vertigo and WB play the first chapter and feel that something is off or doesn't ring true to the Fables mythos. It could have been something in the first chapter, or in the preview for chapter two. Could've been big or just a minor plot point. So they ask/tell this to TT and changes have to be made even though work had already started on c2.
I've had experience in writing screenplays, and I still cannot fathom how to go about writing a multi-directional screenplay that spans five chapters and perhaps hundreds of player-driven choices. The TWAU script must make the old Choose-Your-Own Adventure books i read when I was a kid look like an eighth grader's theme in comparison.
If Willingham or the studio wanted something changed, it had to create a domino effect that created the delay.
I don't buy it. After ep2 he is established as suspect even more. TJ tells that person who dumped the body said "Stop laughing", so the guy who did it hears voices and talks to himself. Boy who cried wolf got laughing about him, maybe that draw him insane and this is a way hes getting back to Bigby, or he might just be working for someone else. Ep2 by no means corosses him off the least, quit the opposite actually.
I mean really why should they change whole story even if they wanted ginger to be a killer? If i would be in their position i would make him e… moreven more suspicious and made small tweaks through the story/episodes and not made him a killer. On the other hand i didnt saw ginger guy in episode 2. WHY?! He was all over the place in episode 1. Episode two is sloopy in awkward thats a fact.
I found it entertaining but it also felt forced and rushed and I really think they changed something in their planning... Never was Snow to re… moreappear so quickly - this was their biggest cliffhanger and hook of E1 and giving it up like this was WAY too easy... So - YES - they remade at least a big part of E2!!!
My idea:
The original story was based on "Death Snow White, Killer and Mundy Police". I think they would keep snow death at least 1 or 2 mo… morere episodes. And, the Mundy cops will investigate too, and Bigby will be a suspect for them. And Bigby will try to dodge cops and find killer at same time.
But, it was not good at all and they changed it. But still not %100 sure.
but in fairness the reveal it did have a LOT of shock value. When I heard her my mind just exploded and I ended up smiling like an idiot. Does seem rushed in parts but the end cliff-hanger is still certainly a very good one
I found it entertaining but it also felt forced and rushed and I really think they changed something in their planning... Never was Snow to re… moreappear so quickly - this was their biggest cliffhanger and hook of E1 and giving it up like this was WAY too easy... So - YES - they remade at least a big part of E2!!!
I agree, Although its pretty obvious in my opiniom Crane is not the killer, this is just something they made to make us scratch our heads for the next 3 months, ( Like I thought you were dead)
but in fairness the reveal it did have a LOT of shock value. When I heard her my mind just exploded and I ended up smiling like an idiot. Does seem rushed in parts but the end cliff-hanger is still certainly a very good one
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Out of billions of pple in the world some are going to guess what happens correctly
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recognized someone in the old one?
I too am convinced that the episode was rewritten, what bugs me tho is... why would they remake episode 2 out of 5? I mean, if people guessed the shepherd's story correctly, I am assuming that all 4 episodes would have to be scrapped (in which case we'll probably see more big delays in the future, even tho Telltale I believe said they will be on schedule); otherwise, changing only such an early part of the story would make little sense, unless they really ran into trouble because of Snow's death. I assume Vertigo was well aware of TWAU's story before the game was released, and yet Snow's immediate "resurrection" just feels so awkward and out of place...
Thanks for posting! Btw.. the old one was so much better.. i actually want to see more of that cop xD
I agree with you, They could of just kept doing what they thought they would donand then maybe in ep 3 kill of the ginger dude which would probably cross him off the suspect list
Is that detective Brannigan in the old pic?
Those scenes don't necessary appear in the next episode , but in the following episodeS. Also the scene where there's a werewolf (probably bigby) was showed at the end of both ep1 and ep2.
If the story was rewritten because people found out about 'the ginger guy'...that is, the writers at Telltale were floored when people had suspicions that the random guy with no name who keeps appearing in scenes for obscure reasons might be a suspect...then the writers at Telltale are pretty dumb and should probably not be allowed to write things.
Of course people are going to suspect him. They wouldn't have been so incompetent as to put him in the game and not expect that to happen. So no, that's really obviously not the reason so much of the episode was reworked.
Thats the easy way out you are taking, No the writers are not dumb but they clearly mishandled that characters, They wanted to make him suspicious but they overblown it by showing him everywhere and making it easy for the fans to notice this guy had to be related to the murders somehow
Your theory is that a game with a murder mystery as its central element and designed to be released in installments over the course of months, in the process undergoing the inevitable sustained observation and discussion by fans of every element they can find, would be so poorly planned that the mystery would unravel the moment people started paying attention to a character they weren't supposed to pay attention to.
No. I give the writers at Telltale a bit more credit than that. I suspect the episode was heavily redesigned, but that isn't the reason.
So your point is after having maybe half the game done they just randomly decided to change the whole direction of the game for no reason, Sorry im not buying it, No one knows the reason of the delay so im gonna stick with what makes the most sense, and assuming they just decided to change the whole game out of nowhere is not that answer
No, my point is that there are other reasons to redesign a game other than 'Oh my god! People noticed a character we deliberately placed in our game! Some of them even suspect that that character, one of maybe a dozen or so actual characters with speaking lines in the game, may have something to do with the murder! DAMAGE CONTROL!'
What is that reason? Hell if I know. But your explanation doesn't hold up under any rational scrutiny.
And I agree, If you pay attention to the end of the thread i said " Now i find myself wondering if its because of the ginger guy", If i have to guess im putting my money on it because t maks much more sense than just saying " there are other reasons", you dont agree with me, cool, im not gonna knock you off because i dont think what you are saying is accurate, We are all entitled to our own opinions
Yep, it says it in the files of the game.
I actually quite liked her, if she gets cut out of Ep 3 I'm going to be really mad.
Well, A House Divided for TWD hasn't been delayed, and pretty much everyone is screaming that the "I thought you were dead" person is Kenny. So if Telltale is really willing to completely rewrite an entire season because of a few people predicting something, surely they would be doing the same thing for TWD right now, unless it's not Kenny and there's a big twist coming up.
Bigby did take the picture, but he left 2 pieces of evidence behind at the precinct. The note that the Detective scribbled down is one. The video camera recording his interview was another. I think it's very possible that she'll come back.
Well, shame on people who think its gonna be that easy, i've been aying all along its Victor, My opinion
He left a pack of Huff & Puff cigarettes as well.
Good they changed Bigby's full wolf form, it looked bland in the first episode 2 preview.
So in other words lots of WHOOPSIES for Brannigan to come back and have lots of deserved suspicion by searching for Bigby in the next episode.
It does feel rushed, it's pretty short and the story kinda don't add up here and there.
I'm prone to think that they, in fact, rewrite everything because people got the whole story right just after the first episode. Which would explain the insane release delay and lack of statement about it too.
Nevertheless, I think they should have sticked with the original story. You don't change it just because some people guessed it right after an insane detective work.
Also... will they need to redo all the episodes now? We get more delay on other episodes' release too?
What's the possibility that Willingham wasn't satisfied with what went down and asked them to change it?
I totally agree with you, and they said it was something that was wrong with the game and that it wouldn't happen again, so if they're saying that "no one will predict an ending again" is the case, then that's a little far fetched.
Certainly possible, but that seems like it would imply we're not going to see his whole wolf form this season which I admit I would be pretty disappointed in.
I think this is way more plausable,SPOILERS FOR TWD, didn't someone suspect the stranger to be the guy in the end of ep3 on train? Im pretty sure some people here figured that out too but it still turned out great. So I think it was the creators of Fables that demanded some changes. I hope they keep the part about mundy cops going after Bigby in the game, that looked intriguing.
I mean really why should they change whole story even if they wanted ginger to be a killer? If i would be in their position i would make him even more suspicious and made small tweaks through the story/episodes and not made him a killer. On the other hand i didnt saw ginger guy in episode 2. WHY?! He was all over the place in episode 1. Episode two is sloopy in awkward thats a fact.
Really hope they didn't cancel plans to have her in Ep 3.
I almost choked on my cornflakes reading that. Your just too funny. Telltale smart..... AHAHAHA!. LOL!
I found it entertaining but it also felt forced and rushed and I really think they changed something in their planning... Never was Snow to reappear so quickly - this was their biggest cliffhanger and hook of E1 and giving it up like this was WAY too easy... So - YES - they remade at least a big part of E2!!!
Also, there's nothing about 'killer being on the loose' as I didn't incarcerate Woodsman. And it probably won't make it to the next episode, as it wouldn't fit them at all.
Thought about this. Think I was the one to originally say that, or at least one of the first, but I've seen changed my mind since seeing an achievement for episode 3. Looks like there's a strong chance we'll see Bigby in wolf form during that episode.
I think this is the most likely of any theories about changes to this chapter. As far as I can remember, this is the first Fables story not being written by Willingham, and that may have something to do with the delay.
For example, Willingham and the people at Vertigo and WB play the first chapter and feel that something is off or doesn't ring true to the Fables mythos. It could have been something in the first chapter, or in the preview for chapter two. Could've been big or just a minor plot point. So they ask/tell this to TT and changes have to be made even though work had already started on c2.
I've had experience in writing screenplays, and I still cannot fathom how to go about writing a multi-directional screenplay that spans five chapters and perhaps hundreds of player-driven choices. The TWAU script must make the old Choose-Your-Own Adventure books i read when I was a kid look like an eighth grader's theme in comparison.
If Willingham or the studio wanted something changed, it had to create a domino effect that created the delay.
I don't buy it. After ep2 he is established as suspect even more. TJ tells that person who dumped the body said "Stop laughing", so the guy who did it hears voices and talks to himself. Boy who cried wolf got laughing about him, maybe that draw him insane and this is a way hes getting back to Bigby, or he might just be working for someone else. Ep2 by no means corosses him off the least, quit the opposite actually.
The episode was good, It just felt like they just threw some parts in there to just finish it since fans were complaining about how long it was taking
I doubt that
Except for the fact that the game is a Prequel and Snow could not have possibly have been dead.
but in fairness the reveal it did have a LOT of shock value. When I heard her my mind just exploded and I ended up smiling like an idiot. Does seem rushed in parts but the end cliff-hanger is still certainly a very good one
I agree, Although its pretty obvious in my opiniom Crane is not the killer, this is just something they made to make us scratch our heads for the next 3 months, ( Like I thought you were dead)