How can the military get overrun so easily?
I mean c'mon they're the US Military!! They have one of the biggest armys in the world with loads of hardware at their disposal, how can they get completely wiped out by slow and stupid zombies?
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They couldn't, but that wouldn't play well into Kirkman's "everything is destroyed" world.
Kim kardarsian, Miley Cyrus,justin Bieber and kanye west are superstars over there so stupid enough. have biggest obesity problem in the world so couldnt run away couldnt even defeat iraq who fight with sticks and stones you would be surprised
We are stupid? You cant even spell enough right....
Generally I think TWD is more believable than most zombie stories due to the "everyone turns" thing, since it would mean massive amounts of walkers very quickly, and the fact that it would be treated like a medical thing first no doubt added to the weak initial response. Add to that the widespread unreast, confusion and chaos, as well as unwillingness to fire upon their own citizens and I think it is somewhat believable, even if it is stretching it.
In fictional world of course
At first nobody thought it would be as bad as it is. Everyone thought it was just a virus that kills you. And I can guarantee that nobody in the U.S army would instantly shoot the first 'Zombies' in the head. They would try to get medicine for the disease, not just shoot them in the face.
Way to edit your post
In the first few episodes of the TV series you see the military killing citizens and also bombing and dropping napalm on cities. Maybe at some point they even started killing each other or committing mass suicide like the scientists at the CDC. Having lots of guns doesnt help much if they dont know they have toshoot the brain or that anyone who dies also comes back.
They were hit unprepared and ill-experienced. I think American police are trained to aim for chest shots, not head.
Plus, Mark said "The first few days it spread so fast."
When you die, you turn not just when your bitten. There are about 150k deaths every day + added chaos in the world where people don't really know what it is. Within 2 weeks of the outbreak there are already 2million confirmed deaths = maybe 2 million zombies if there not killed.
Everyone who dies turns. Take the normal death toll, and then add to whatever deaths by suicide, panic, or murder would have happened in the first few days. Yeah, that's how the military got overrun.
Like the fall of any organised military response in the Kirkman apocalypse it would come down to many reasons playing together:
I imagine the response to the crisis was delayed, to the point where there was already wide scale panic and infrastructure was breaking down. By the time they called in the armed forces, I would imagine that almost none of the enlisted men would report for duty that day, leaving them only with staff that were living on base at that point. Its also very possible there would be widespread desertion amongst those that were living on base to try and take care of their families. The army's objectives would likely to be securing safe zones for civilians to evacuate to, rather than saving families one at a time, which probably wouldnt be satisfactory for individual soldiers. Then theres the whole thing about the safe zones being overrun from the inside out because of people that were bitten and injured people dying
Actually, I think it was because the governments response was just bad: as seen when Rick and Shane were in the hospital, the military was running around shooting everyone who they thought was infected, wearing gasmasks and NOT SHOOTING THEM IN THE HEAD. Basically the military was running off really bad data given to them by the government, and got fucked over by the apocalypse as the result.
Outbreaks from within medical centers of safe zones due to a lack of knowledge of how the walker infection spread, unnecessary killing of survivors in a fashion that leads to more walkers due to lack of knowledge of how the virus works, the breaking of the chain of command as civilian and military support infrastructure suffered outbreaks and got overrun, desertions (people trying to find their loved ones), poor initial combat effectiveness against walkers due to a lack of knowledge of how to kill them, tactical and strategic mistakes by the military caused by assumed or just wrong knowledge of how the virus and Walkers work, also:
Just how many people do you think die every day in america without an apocalypse going on? How many of those people had their brains heavily damaged? Now remember that your average walker could kill quite a few unprepared civilians, causing that chain reaction effect, and you see just how easily many groups of huge unmanageable mobs of walkers could form and overrun the military.
Would they fail at first? Most definitely. But having the entire military in its metal glory broken down to a state of FUBAR as is suggested in TWD? Highly, highly, highly unrealistic. The large portion of your post is dedicated to the assumption that they would be ill-informed until a state of no return is reached.... a bad assumption considering the widespread telecommunications available. Not to mention quarentine protocalls are set for every city in the US which would be effective within hours. To be honest the only way a virus could spread like it has in TWD would be if it was an airborn version of the walker bite (not the walker virus, the walker bite).
Don't you just love it when people hate on us Americans, when their country probably hasn't done shit to stop terrorism.
I prefer to think the U.S. military has established several strongholds somewhere on the continent. The characters (both in the comic book and the game) just haven't had the good luck of finding any of them yet.
You'd be surprised, at least here, where I live, you don't see many obese people... You see one or two, and that's about it.
I don't hate America or Americans but come on , stopping terrorism ? that's some government bullshit .
Many people from different countries hate, or rather dislike Americans mainly because they see terrorists round ever corner. However it isn't just that. It's their egos, ignorance, low intelligence, their belief that they invented everything, think they are bigger and better than any other country, their lack of acceptance for the gay population or any minority group, arrogance, brain washing culture, lack of respect for any other religion, colour or creed, the American corrupt political system, outrageous gun laws, money orientated, materialistic, poor education, poor health system, out of control crime, violence, gangs, drugs and murders. Need I go on? These are not just my opinions either. This is what many, many people think that live outside your supposed fantastic country.
Now I realise that there are some decent Americans out there, but on the whole they are very few and far between. I know many like to believe that everyone wants to live in America. Hate to burst your bubble, but you couldn't pay me to live there.
You state that you love it when people hate on 'us' Americans. Didn't you ever stop and think why? America needs a serious image overhaul.
"This is what many, many people think that live outside you supposed fantastic country." Ever notice how the large majority of people who live here/move here love it? Weird how that works. Envy is a powerful thing!
In any case your idiotic rants made me chuckle, a lot actually. So thank you for being so openly stupid.
It is really sad, but yes you are right. It is exactly the picture of the US you get here in europe. I agree with all other but that there are only a few decent Americans. No way. It is the political system ( no public health care, poverty, guns everywhere, heavy lobbying, death penalty ( in a democratic country you don't kill people) and the social circumstances that are flawed, not the people. There are decent and bad people all over the world.
Look how fast everything went down during Katrina, that was a hurricane... not the dead rising up to attack the living. Everything would go south really, really fast.
Let's not forget who was President at the time.
Way to prove his point buddie!
Once the chain of command gets broken, large amounts of soldiers start deserting, and supplies for the soldiers who stayed start to run low...I say things could get fucked up pretty fast.
To be fair, U.S. foreign policy is largely self-serving and I think a large portion of the world resents that. We are a hypocritical bunch in the sense that we promote democracy and freedom only when it serves our national interests at large.
This is coming from an American
Are there quarantine protocols good enough to stop something that everyone already has?
More to the point, are there quarantine protocols that can stop people getting up after they die for any reason and eating people?
Remember that due to the momentous nature of reanimation, most major population would become overrun in a few days due to the chain reaction effect of a single person dying for any reason in a populated area (and a lot of people die each day in populated areas).
Also, you wouldn't have telecommunications because due to the pervasive nature of the walker reanimation virus (everyone caught it on the first day it seems) collapsing most of society within the first few days.
But yeah Viva, everyone who dies starts turning into walkers all at the same time. This means that everywhere becomes under threat at once, including things like radio stations (EG Carley's radio in ep1). Everywhere under threat at once+lack of knowledge of how to deal with the threat=FUBAR.
So...Viva... to sum up everything that you just about/to Snakecharmer...
"In my personal experience I think that most people who move to america love it here."
"Therefore whatever snakecharm said must be totally invalid because he must be envious of my superior and surely happier way of life, and surely not angry over american foreign policy over the last 50 years."
"You are an idiot"
"Just because you are angry means you argument is also invalid (even though I am calling you an idiot and later stupid)" (you dissed him by calling his arguement a "rant" because he wrote it rather angrily. Anger doesn't make peoples arguments less valid, only less understandable. Knowing this is important, sometimes people can be absurdly angry but still have valid points)
"Your arguements make me laugh"
"You are stupid"
Viva, I believe you become a pretty mean and personally vindictive (you target the individual of your ire and call them names instead of addressing their points) person to people that get mad at your country's government and the decisions it makes.
No government is perfect, and a lot of a societies flaws/problems stem from it's government. It's my personal opinion that Australia and America have it easier than European countries in terms of external threats to society, but have less effective governments than European countries (overall). I am Australian BTW. Picture relevant:
My point is man, even if a person is being mean, you should reason with them. I can tell that Snake has some good points, and I can also tell that he wrote his post while angry, therefore he is bound to write some things that someone is bound to find offensive.
Indeed, snake was a little cruel there, but besides what he said about most Americans being bad people, he has some really good points.
The military most likely does have quarantine zones and strongholds across the country its just none of the characters have been lucky enough to find them yet.
But i think it all comes down to the hole everyone is infected thing. You can't expect the Army to be everywhere to put a bullet in the head of everyone who just past away. You've also got to take in account all the bad people out their namely The Governor. Read "The Walking Dead: Rise of the Governor" and you'll see why he kills so many military personal.
You basically wrote everything that I wanted to in much less words than I was going to use. Add Zyphon's above comment to yours and it's a complete picture of how the worlds militaries' would fall to the Walker apocalypse.
Could very well be, I'd imagine some would be groups of raiders, while some of the more loyal ones might even have secured part of the government underground (while shutting out everyone else of course.)
Human nature would need to be accounted for along with what's already been mentioned. Zombie apocalypse with your best friends dying, reanimating, what's bound to happen? People likely desert, panic etc.
Lets get back to talking about the military getting overrun perhaps?
came back today seeing the comments only joke love america apologize to anyone taking post seriously
I know you're gonna hate me for this, but even L4D comics had surviving military bases and camps, even though the virus spreads A LOT easier there (airbourne infection would cause many more z-words in a shorter period of time than the TWD's virus).
But then again, this is an altearnate fictional universe so I guess Kirkman and TTG can just do whatever they want with it :u