How can the military get overrun so easily?

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  • all this hate towards other countries...can't we all just get along?

    Though maybe I have no right to say that, since I am German, haha.

    Markd4547 posted: »

    Kim kardarsian, Miley Cyrus,justin Bieber and kanye west are superstars over there so stupid enough. have biggest obesity problem in the world so couldnt run away couldnt even defeat iraq who fight with sticks and stones you would be surprised

  • We can all get along , but the problem is not in us , the problem is in those greedy leaders who don't give a shit about their people and want more power and authority .

    all this hate towards other countries...can't we all just get along? Though maybe I have no right to say that, since I am German, haha.

  • Its clearly hinted in the tv show at least. Choppers appears in several episodes, one crashed in the season Woodbury was introduced. Some random stuff on radios. Governor even takes out a few of US military personal in one episode.

    Tyranniac posted: »

    Could very well be, I'd imagine some would be groups of raiders, while some of the more loyal ones might even have secured part of the government underground (while shutting out everyone else of course.)

  • Just to get some facts: in 2012 12.803 germans emigrated to the US. In the same year 10.116 came back from America to Germany. It is not a land of milk and honey over there.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    "This is what many, many people think that live outside you supposed fantastic country." Ever notice how the large majority of people who liv

  • Ouch that is a lot to read and I've got meal plans with a close old friend. I'll just say this, blanket statements covering most of American's population and painting them as terrible people? Horrible accusations. Is our country flawed, sure is, there are a lot of social changes that need to happen and they seem to be happening pretty rapidly. American citizens are among the most giving people in the world. Talking bad about are social structure, political system, etc is one think but such slanderous statements about our people is unjustified. Gotta go!

    Qipoi posted: »

    So...Viva... to sum up everything that you just about/to Snakecharmer... "In my personal experience I think that most people who move to am

  • Then he shouldn't post while so hot headed.

    Qipoi posted: »

    My point is man, even if a person is being mean, you should reason with them. I can tell that Snake has some good points, and I can also tell

  • Of course not, no place is. Any one who paints it as such is dreaming.

    Miiko posted: »

    Just to get some facts: in 2012 12.803 germans emigrated to the US. In the same year 10.116 came back from America to Germany. It is not a land of milk and honey over there.

  • I don't agree, but ok.

    Way to prove his point buddie!

  • There may be, I wouldn't put it past the government to be so.... paranoid. But that iis besides the point, the point is army would be completely active within hours, communications wouldn't go down for days and days (within those days someone would shoot a walker in the head and a lightbulb would go off. Ding )

    Communications would be the very last thing that would go down. It is the single most important thing the world has in this modern age. Someone would kill a walker using brain damage tactics and it would be all over the internet in minutes. "Aim for da head!"

    Qipoi posted: »

    Are there quarantine protocols good enough to stop something that everyone already has? More to the point, are there quarantine protocols t

  • You promote the amount of deaths in the US as the main source of death in the outbreak, that is a tiny number compared to over all population. It is unreasonable to believe no one would hit one in the head and share this information with everyone he knows, and them everyone they know, and so on. The knowledge of how to kill them would spread faster than they would. Most people die in specific locations, the points where the virus would spread from are limited. We are staying away from the real question here, the military. The military just could not be overun as it has in TWD. They just have to much gun power. Places, machine guns, destroyers, tanks... vs helpless walkers. It isn't possible.

    FUBAR means it can't be repaired, just because they fail at first doen't mean they wouldn't come back from it.

    Qipoi posted: »

    But yeah Viva, everyone who dies starts turning into walkers all at the same time. This means that everywhere becomes under threat at once, in

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    You proved his point by acting like you did. And now you did it again by not even understanding that you did.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    I don't agree, but ok.

  • I know full well what I did. I also know he is a complete ass for stamping such broad assumptions on the populace of America, so fuck him.

    You proved his point by acting like you did. And now you did it again by not even understanding that you did.

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    Exactly. He has an opinion of americans that you don't share. So, naturally, fuck him.

    Haven't heard that one before...

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    I know full well what I did. I also know he is a complete ass for stamping such broad assumptions on the populace of America, so fuck him.

  • It's not just a bite that turns you. If a person dies they always come back and attack their prey. So-called safety zones would turn out to be "prisons" in which a single person dying leads to complete death. And after everyone in this safe zone (Atlanta for example) is a zombie they would attack the military, which is keeping the boarder to the city clean, from behind, so cornering them from all sides. And let's not forget that military guys are supposed to shoot the upper-body, because shooting the head is a little bit more difficult, making only every second to tenth hit a deadly one. And they won't get new ammo since their suppliers won't be unaffected by the zombie apocalypse either. In the end the military will fall at the hands of thousends roamers who will even get through the best military gear because of their sheer mass. Even people in tanks will eventually starve or dehydrate because they cannot leave their vehicle.

  • Yes, he has opinions about all amiericas. When the vast majority he has never met, yet he knows all of them somehow. Haven't heard that one before. So, realistically, fuck him.

    Exactly. He has an opinion of americans that you don't share. So, naturally, fuck him. Haven't heard that one before...

  • to judge the citizens of a country based on their government is ignorant. Ill openly admit I figured out our government was corrupt when I was like 8 but to hate on us as a whole is just plain stupid. I havnt met a single person who hasn't said our government wasn't corrupt, and I'll admit I hate it myself how our country believes we are number one and shits out rainbows but that's just how the media (the most corrupt piece of shit out there) portrays us to the rest of the world so I can see why you would "hate America" but come on, to hate on Americans as a whole is just ignorant and plain stupid. That would be like me hating every citizen in Iraq and Iran cause I think that they are all a bunch of terrorists. A lot of us have an open mind its just we have no political power to do anything about it and like most civilians of most countries we just have to deal with it and let our governments spread ignorance to each other. We're all humans so why hate on each other cause we have a different way of thinking? ehh my rants over so if you still want to hate on us you can continue being part of the problem of why there's so much hate in this world and not the solution.

    Qipoi posted: »

    Indeed, snake was a little cruel there, but besides what he said about most Americans being bad people, he has some really good points.

  • He didn't say all americans... This is such a waste of time so, determinedly, fuck this.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    Yes, he has opinions about all amiericas. When the vast majority he has never met, yet he knows all of them somehow. Haven't heard that one before. So, realistically, fuck him.

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    RARR

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    Yes, he has opinions about all amiericas. When the vast majority he has never met, yet he knows all of them somehow. Haven't heard that one before. So, realistically, fuck him.

  • Read the first part of his second paragraph.

    He didn't say all americans... This is such a waste of time so, determinedly, fuck this.

  • I don't follow any set organized political group. I have my own thoughts.

    RARR

  • Yeah, we actually managed to post at the same minute, so I never saw it until after I posted, but yeah, I agree with you.

    Qipoi posted: »

    You basically wrote everything that I wanted to in much less words than I was going to use. Add Zyphon's above comment to yours and it's a complete picture of how the worlds militaries' would fall to the Walker apocalypse.

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    The topic's been brought up before. I think it's just one of those things you have to look past for the story to work.

    Unless the military was the one who made the virus and the bulk of them somehow got wiped out in the onset of it, I couldn't imagine the entire army failing to stop unarmed enemies that can't move quicker than a shamble.

  • I don't think the problem is that they don't know how to kill the walkers, it's that they won't initially know walkers will spawn from any body that dies.

    So they could have large quarantine groups in every city that they assume are 'safe' (think Crawford), someone in there dies from disease, conflict, old age or maybe even suicide and that one civilian death could destroy the entire camp when that civilian kills another, and another, and another. This could happen all over, making the thought of having any large-scale camp protected by the military impossible because it'd be so difficult to manage.

    And not everyone has a gun, or will have a gun by their sides when it happens.

    I imagine there'd be many soldier groups that'd still keep themselves alive, but they'd be in such disarray that they wouldn't be able to function as a military group anymore. Honestly, I can't imagine living in the TWD zombie apocalypse in big groups because of how easy it would be for everyone to fall. Someone just has to die from whatever in the middle of the night and everyone is fucked.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    There may be, I wouldn't put it past the government to be so.... paranoid. But that iis besides the point, the point is army would be complete

  • I could argue every point you made to a point where you gave up and someone else would need to jump in with more ideas I could easily smash, but this argument is boring. So I will leave with a single statement:

    Bomb trumps teeth, no matter how many teeth.

    Plume posted: »

    I don't think the problem is that they don't know how to kill the walkers, it's that they won't initially know walkers will spawn from any bod

  • Yeah, just because the army didn't stop the apocalypse doesn't necessarily mean that the entire army is dead or scattered into small groups.

    I'm guessing an army led/run community or small group, or at least one with a large proportion of military personnel in it will show up in Clementine's or Rick's story at some point, now that a lot of stable (experienced/well led/well equipped/lucky) groups are forming in the two year stage of the apocalypse and having to interact with/deal with each other. (I mean that with the number of diverse groups showing up, a more heavily army influenced one in bound to show up.)

    I prefer to think the U.S. military has established several strongholds somewhere on the continent. The characters (both in the comic book and the game) just haven't had the good luck of finding any of them yet.

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    Look who was mayor at the time too :)

    Let's not forget who was President at the time.

  • I'm thinking that there are military outpost strongholds still around. Military are often more disciplined than civilians, so if you have the right mix of military, it's likely at least a few pockets of military could have survived rather well - the survivors in the TV show, comic, and video game just havent come across them yet - plus they've all been on the east coast.

    Also, other countries, like France, apparently lasted a lot longer before infrastructure collapse (imagine that - the french not retreating first?

    Mikejames posted: »

    The topic's been brought up before. I think it's just one of those things you have to look past for the story to work. Unless the military

  • You should do the same.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    Read the first part of his second paragraph.

  • You can't be this dense can you?

    Paraphrase: "I understand there are some good americans, but they are few and far between."

    This remark would mean he would have to have met at least a huge majority of americans and come to the conclusion that most of them were bad, leaving 'few' good americans. A logical impossibility and just plain stupid.

    You should do the same.

  • France has the most dense populated cities with around 12 billion squeezed in just Paris

    pander1 posted: »

    I'm thinking that there are military outpost strongholds still around. Military are often more disciplined than civilians, so if you have the

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    Not when its true. I said fuck this. Is this really worth your time? Is it really that important to you that everyone likes americans? I've got american friends. They are awesome. But I, and they, do not agree with you. Seriously, fuck this, you are just annoying and with that said you're only continuing proving everything we think of you.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    You can't be this dense can you? Paraphrase: "I understand there are some good americans, but they are few and far between." This remark

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    Viva, heres how it spread: The entire united states is infected with the airborne virus, there is no curing it, people die, everyone who dies becomes a walker, walkers swarm all bases from dieing military, walkers all across the U.S. are growing, and it all started with the first death from a hospital bed, a shoot-out, etc, even if the number of people dieing is rather small right now, multiply that by 10X, 20X, 30X, 40X, 50X, within a day you have the entirety of new york destroyed with few survivors, new york spreads elsewhere, every major highly populated city in the U.S. is now filled with walkers, That isn't manageable for the Military.

    The thing about the walker virus, is even if you kill all the zombies, you'd have to wipe out half the population of the united states to put the walkers into manageable numbers, it's just not possible without foresight.

    It wasn't a straight up outbreak or the scientists would've known about it, as strange as it is, the entire walker virus could've been a natural but insane occurance, there would be no upholding of order in this situation, but there is nothing saying the military is not still around, just not very...powerful or even a presence in the regions shown in TWD, I mean, we don't even know how Europe and Asia are faring, obviously china is wiped out but Iceland, Greenland, all of these other islands, they may be for the most part fine, minus the lack of resources without trade, but those places are small enough to be managed by their military, islands are the most likely to survive a zombie apocalypse and always will be.

    I'm sure Kirkman or otherwise will do something with the military eventually, he can't keep running from it forever, the military cant have just got 'wiped out' magically, its possible certain regions were just overrun and the military pulled back to key-places like washington D.C., some went AWOL and went elsewhere, and the bulk of the military perished within washington, I wouldn't doubt that sort of thing, but it's obvious through scenary alot of military personnel were killed by Walkers too, but i'm putting my cents on they pulled out to key places.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    You promote the amount of deaths in the US as the main source of death in the outbreak, that is a tiny number compared to over all population.

  • Wow white supremacist, your just mad because Obama is our president aren't you?

    Markd4547 posted: »

    Kim kardarsian, Miley Cyrus,justin Bieber and kanye west are superstars over there so stupid enough. have biggest obesity problem in the world so couldnt run away couldnt even defeat iraq who fight with sticks and stones you would be surprised

  • My German family migrated here before WW2 and actually served in the military, so what? those Germans might have just decided they liked it more in their home country, migrating to a new country isn't a good experience.

    Miiko posted: »

    Just to get some facts: in 2012 12.803 germans emigrated to the US. In the same year 10.116 came back from America to Germany. It is not a land of milk and honey over there.

  • Because there would be no story otherwise. Imagine how anticlimactic it would be if the army showed up at the end of episode 1 bringing blankets and hot chocolate for everyone.

  • Limited, non-infinite arsenal VS More than 9,992,167 numb, walking corpses. I'm pretty sure that's not going to work... is it?

  • We see the governor wipe out a small group of ex-military survivors in the TV show. I would expect you're right abot there being pockets of them surviving elsewhere. My bet it that the initial outbreak broke the chain of command and then by the time those groups had got their shit together, they no longer had the resources or manpower to take back the country or protect all that many people.

    Viva, heres how it spread: The entire united states is infected with the airborne virus, there is no curing it, people die, everyone who dies

  • "Not when it's true." Well fuck you now also.

    Is it worth my time? 30 seconds or so to type a simplistic statement? Yes.

    I don't care if you like us, but mutual respect isn't an outlandish request.

    I don't believe any american with an ounce of self-respect would side with you. I still disagree I am proving his point, but again, ok.

    You are an ass, and with that said, shall we continue?

    Not when its true. I said fuck this. Is this really worth your time? Is it really that important to you that everyone likes americans? I've go

  • I am going to have to direct you a few posts up top.

    I'll leave you with the same statement:

    Bomb trumps teeth, no matter how many teeth.

    Viva, heres how it spread: The entire united states is infected with the airborne virus, there is no curing it, people die, everyone who dies

  • I think that people hate americans because their goverment is hiding many things and now there is that Edward snowden and nsa situation. Also snakecharmerofborg´s reasons are pretty good.

    Pell3t posted: »

    Don't you just love it when people hate on us Americans, when their country probably hasn't done shit to stop terrorism.

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