Yeah I agree with you. Gren called snow a bitch.. so yeah anyone that likes her would want to make him pay for that. I personally played the g… moreame both episode 1 and 2 multiple times to get all possible combinations/endings and I still prefer to rip Gren's arm off, now snow dislikes the beast inside bigby so I am trying not to be such an awesome boss character just so I can get bigby a chance with snow as I don't want to make her hate him. The things we do to make our women happy..
But yeah I didn't beat the crap out of beast yet as I mean come on that would be a dick move. If any of us were beast we would do the same shit he did as who would want their wife going into a run down motel room with another man.. even if they weren't doing anything sexual or anything like that how the hell would we know? If we just see them going into a motel room with another man we would jump to conclusions and flip out. At least if we actually have feelings for … [view original content]
Because childs have never been on a bar fight, and consider breaking someone's arm a reasonable thing to do if they offend you.
To put it bluntly, because people were butthurt about the way Gren had treated them.
But that's all Ichabod's fault got nothing to do with Bigby or Snow. For example if you go in to a shop and everything in their is really overpriced you don't blame the guy working at the counter you blame the guy (or company) that owns the place.
Actually no...if anything it would be King Cole's fault. Even though he actually does the best he can with limited resources. Umm Bigby and Snow are part of the system, so yes it has plenty to do with them.
Horrible analogy. What if the guy behind the counter owns the shop?
But that's all Ichabod's fault got nothing to do with Bigby or Snow. For example if you go in to a shop and everything in their is really overpriced you don't blame the guy working at the counter you blame the guy (or company) that owns the place.
For Gren, what I was thinking during the fight-scene was, "I don't want this guy coming back at me later on and really beat my ass into the ground." So I ripped his arm off to make sure that if Bigby and Gren got into another scrap, he'd be weaker and, no pun intended, not have the upper-hand. It seems that in episode 2 Gren is a little more tamed but could you blame him? I ripped his arm off. o_o;
Yet when it came to the Beast, I didn't punch him when I had the chance. I really did not want to get into the fight in the first place - if I could have avoided it, I would have but there was no other option. I cringed when Bigby sunk his claws into his eye sockets. I love Beauty and Beast as characters and I can see Beast as an ally. He wasn't fighting with Bigby to kill him or anything, just acting off of his emotions, protecting his relationship and his love for Beauty.
Grendel was being a bitch while Beast is just misunderstanding the situation. If only Beauty could just scream out her reason sooner.
I managed to do a playthrough where I failed most qtes for Beast's fight and the end result for the statistics was around 5% players "Did not have Beast at your mercy"
I understood beast at the time, but (At the time) I hated Gren. There really was a difference between them as it was a misunderstanding husband, and an a guy that's only been an ***hole to me. Both situations were presented differently, and the only thing they have alike is Bigby beating the **** out of them. If players had more time to understand Gren, then they wouldn't have though he did give Bigby a good beating, and tearing off his arm is so satisfying.
. Altough i didn't ripp his arm off nor punch beast again,I can tell that it was a misunderstanding with beast.How would you react if you see your wife with one of your friends.So I think it's not his fault;he was controlled by his emotions.
. And with Gren:He totally wanted to kill Bigby and he didn't had strong reasons as beast.He even attacked Big and insulted Snow so.. I think that's why many people ripped his arm of
No, it wasn't but Bigby doesn't run the show, he works for Crane, Crane calls the shots, period. Plus he initiated a confrontation with Bigby multiple times: 1) In front of the office, 2) when Bigby entered the bar,
3) When Bigby went over to talk to Woody (put his hand on Bigby too...See what happens if you put your hands on a cop while he's investigating a murder...especially as he goes to interview a known violent suspect),
4) then jumps up in Bigby's face, calls him a lapdog (because he takes orders from someone else, which everyone does unless you are the mayor), insults Snow (knowing that would piss Bigby off), and then finally 4) Goes into "hulk" mode and attacks him
Now in my playthrough I was polite, and tried to diffuse the situation at EVERY turn, even when he was in my face....and he went ape-sh$t and attacked me with no provovation. Appeasement didn't work with this guy, if anything it emboldened him
An example needed to be made, some deterrence was in order. If Bigby is going to get anything done he needs to keep people from thinking he's an easy target
If Gren really has a legit beef, take it to Crane, then Snow, or even Bigby...did that guy even try to enlist Bigby's help before he decided to attack him?
If Gren had a reason to assault anybody it should be Crane or no one. Anything else is him being a dick, and a thug. I tore his arm off. It'll prob grow back. But if he pulls that nonsense again, I'd tear em both off
Two different people with two different circumstances.
I was peacefully talking to the Woodsman in the bar when Gren got all up in my face.… more That type of confrontation needed an ultimate outcome. Think of it as a way to prevent any future entanglements with the guy if at all possible.
Beast was a simple misunderstanding on the situation so I could see his side. I only needed to go so far as to bring him down enough to prove what was going on and why I was there.
In the I'm playing the type of Bigby who will rip your head off (or arm) hen needed right along with being forgiving and understanding depending on the situation presented.
In my analogy the guy behind the counter does not own the shop so its still valid.
Also no Bigby did not even know that Molly's sister went missing he was never told which he should have been told because hes the law in Fabletown. Whoever Glen told about Molly's sister at the office and did not tell Bigby they are the one at fault not Bigby.
Snow is not at fault either because she is just stuck under the thumb of a bad Boss.
Actually no...if anything it would be King Cole's fault. Even though he actually does the best he can with limited resources. Umm Bigby and Sn… moreow are part of the system, so yes it has plenty to do with them.
Horrible analogy. What if the guy behind the counter owns the shop?
That's an interesting perspective, but I don't think it's entirely accurate. Stereotype is one thing. However, the more compelling thing is that throughout the episode, Gren was being a real asshole towards Bigby. He started an unnecessary fight, and he really had no reason to attack Bigby. It was just frustration and you know he doesn't like Bigby. It was like some kind of personal vendetta. Plus, you have to remember that he's been painted as a villain, if only due to his animosity towards Bigby. And that animosity isn't likely to diminish. So you're weakening a possible future opponent.
With Beast, you know he trusts and likes Bigby from the elevator scene. Whether Bigby lies to him or tells him that he wants to stay out of it, Beast doesn't get angry at that moment. Plus, in this scene, there's Beauty, and it's Beauty who begs Bigby to stop. I think most players stopped because of Beauty. Also, once Beast took that cheap shot of smashing the bottle against Bigby's head, Bigby does tackle him into the door of Room 207.
I don't care for him and He called me a lap dog.. I like beast and do not want to hurt him or Beauty but Im not going to make my Bigby a b**** and just be bloody everywhere
What if someone you loved died wouldn't you be upset about it? Though it is crane's fault since he kept Bigby busy while he was messing around with holly. This was a misunderstanding too if you think about it.
I don't care for him and He called me a lap dog.. I like beast and do not want to hurt him or Beauty but Im not going to make my Bigby a b**** and just be bloody everywhere
Personally I did not rip his arm off, nor did I hit Beast again, but if I were to guess I'd say it might be because Gren ticked off a lot of p… morelayers and was perceived as an asshole by a lot of people, while Beast's predicament is easier to understand and people sympathized with him. Everyone knows he's crazy about his wife, and Bigby showing up in a shady hotel with her definitely didn't look good.
I didn't even want to hit him once, but when I tried to fail the quick time event I got a game over screen lol.
No, It's King Cole who calls the shots. Crane is just a temporary leader. I never said Bigby runs the show, don't put words in my mouth. If you can't debate without doing that, then we have nothing to talk about.
No, it wasn't but Bigby doesn't run the show, he works for Crane, Crane calls the shots, period. Plus he initiated a confrontation with Bigby multiple times: 1) In front of the office, 2) when Bigby entered the bar,
Stop applying human laws and logic to Fable Town. That isn't how things work. Why do you think Dee was able to walk away so easily after the interrogation?
3) When Bigby went over to talk to Woody (put his hand on Bigby too...See what happens if you put your hands on a cop while he's investigating a murder...especially as he goes to interview a known violent suspect),
In my analogy the guy behind the counter does not own the shop so its still valid.
Also no Bigby did not even know that Molly's sister went… more missing he was never told which he should have been told because hes the law in Fabletown. Whoever Glen told about Molly's sister at the office and did not tell Bigby they are the one at fault not Bigby.
Snow is not at fault either because she is just stuck under the thumb of a bad Boss.
Bigby is a lapdog for the system...I love his character, but it doesn't change that fact. I would insult Snow too if my complaints were never listened too. How is Gren suppose to know whose fault it is? All he sees is a pathetically flawed system.
Gren attacked Bigby because he was sick of the system ignoring him and his friends. Also the majority of players had punched him to instigate a fight.
4) then jumps up in Bigby's face, calls him a lapdog (because he takes orders from someone else, which everyone does unless you are the mayor)… more, insults Snow (knowing that would piss Bigby off), and then finally 4) Goes into "hulk" mode and attacks him
See the "no provocation" thing is BS. You may have not punched him like most players, but Bigby was still down at the Trip Trap for a shakedown. No one likes law enforcement shaking them down, especially when they work for a system that never lifts a finger to help them.
Now in my playthrough I was polite, and tried to diffuse the situation at EVERY turn, even when he was in my face....and he went ape-sh$t and attacked me with no provovation. Appeasement didn't work with this guy, if anything it emboldened him
An example needed to be made, some deterrence was in order. If Bigby is going to get anything done he needs to keep people from thinking he's an easy target
Gren had already tried that, many times. Hell you even saw him waiting in line during this very episode. It isn't just him either. Remember that Beauty already said that she tried to go to Snow and Bigby for help? Nothing got done and there was no time to see her.
If Gren really has a legit beef, take it to Crane, then Snow, or even Bigby...did that guy even try to enlist Bigby's help before he decided to attack him?
Gren ripped his arm off cold and calculated having bad day he trys to stop me intimidate me and then kill me think boot was on other foot he would killed you also send message try mess and kill bigbad wolf there will be consequences but in beast never hit him when he was down because lied to him and what he saw could 100% undertstand his rage perception is reality and his my friend so like triple back stabbing in his eyes and felt awful fighting him so never got to that stage where he was at my mercy
If Gren had a reason to assault anybody it should be Crane or no one. Anything else is him being a dick, and a thug. I tore his arm off. It'll prob grow back. But if he pulls that nonsense again, I'd tear em both off
Because childs have never been on a bar fight, and consider breaking someone's arm a reasonable thing to do if they offend you.
To put it bluntly, because people were butthurt about the way Gren had treated them.
Grendel was being a bitch while Beast is just misunderstanding the situation. If only Beauty could just scream out her reason sooner.
I man… moreaged to do a playthrough where I failed most qtes for Beast's fight and the end result for the statistics was around 5% players "Did not have Beast at your mercy"
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hes an asshole that's why. he even insulted snow and im like oh no u didn't talk like that to my little snowflake lol.
'Being a good boy for her' How old are you again?
Because childs have never been on a bar fight, and consider breaking someone's arm a reasonable thing to do if they offend you.
To put it bluntly, because people were butthurt about the way Gren had treated them.
But that's all Ichabod's fault got nothing to do with Bigby or Snow. For example if you go in to a shop and everything in their is really overpriced you don't blame the guy working at the counter you blame the guy (or company) that owns the place.
Actually no...if anything it would be King Cole's fault. Even though he actually does the best he can with limited resources. Umm Bigby and Snow are part of the system, so yes it has plenty to do with them.
Horrible analogy. What if the guy behind the counter owns the shop?
For Gren, what I was thinking during the fight-scene was, "I don't want this guy coming back at me later on and really beat my ass into the ground." So I ripped his arm off to make sure that if Bigby and Gren got into another scrap, he'd be weaker and, no pun intended, not have the upper-hand. It seems that in episode 2 Gren is a little more tamed but could you blame him? I ripped his arm off. o_o;
Yet when it came to the Beast, I didn't punch him when I had the chance. I really did not want to get into the fight in the first place - if I could have avoided it, I would have but there was no other option. I cringed when Bigby sunk his claws into his eye sockets. I love Beauty and Beast as characters and I can see Beast as an ally. He wasn't fighting with Bigby to kill him or anything, just acting off of his emotions, protecting his relationship and his love for Beauty.
Grendel was being a bitch while Beast is just misunderstanding the situation. If only Beauty could just scream out her reason sooner.
I managed to do a playthrough where I failed most qtes for Beast's fight and the end result for the statistics was around 5% players "Did not have Beast at your mercy"
I understood beast at the time, but (At the time) I hated Gren. There really was a difference between them as it was a misunderstanding husband, and an a guy that's only been an ***hole to me. Both situations were presented differently, and the only thing they have alike is Bigby beating the **** out of them. If players had more time to understand Gren, then they wouldn't have though he did give Bigby a good beating, and tearing off his arm is so satisfying.
. Altough i didn't ripp his arm off nor punch beast again,I can tell that it was a misunderstanding with beast.How would you react if you see your wife with one of your friends.So I think it's not his fault;he was controlled by his emotions.
. And with Gren:He totally wanted to kill Bigby and he didn't had strong reasons as beast.He even attacked Big and insulted Snow so.. I think that's why many people ripped his arm of
No, it wasn't but Bigby doesn't run the show, he works for Crane, Crane calls the shots, period. Plus he initiated a confrontation with Bigby multiple times: 1) In front of the office, 2) when Bigby entered the bar,
3) When Bigby went over to talk to Woody (put his hand on Bigby too...See what happens if you put your hands on a cop while he's investigating a murder...especially as he goes to interview a known violent suspect),
4) then jumps up in Bigby's face, calls him a lapdog (because he takes orders from someone else, which everyone does unless you are the mayor), insults Snow (knowing that would piss Bigby off), and then finally 4) Goes into "hulk" mode and attacks him
Now in my playthrough I was polite, and tried to diffuse the situation at EVERY turn, even when he was in my face....and he went ape-sh$t and attacked me with no provovation. Appeasement didn't work with this guy, if anything it emboldened him
An example needed to be made, some deterrence was in order. If Bigby is going to get anything done he needs to keep people from thinking he's an easy target
If Gren really has a legit beef, take it to Crane, then Snow, or even Bigby...did that guy even try to enlist Bigby's help before he decided to attack him?
If Gren had a reason to assault anybody it should be Crane or no one. Anything else is him being a dick, and a thug. I tore his arm off. It'll prob grow back. But if he pulls that nonsense again, I'd tear em both off
That doesn't mean that since Crane tells Snow to ignore you, you should attack Bigby and impede a murder investigation
Yeah seriously, it irritates me that people think that his beef with Crane means it's ok for him to crap on everyone else. One-armed bastard
Exactly
In my analogy the guy behind the counter does not own the shop so its still valid.
Also no Bigby did not even know that Molly's sister went missing he was never told which he should have been told because hes the law in Fabletown. Whoever Glen told about Molly's sister at the office and did not tell Bigby they are the one at fault not Bigby.
Snow is not at fault either because she is just stuck under the thumb of a bad Boss.
That's an interesting perspective, but I don't think it's entirely accurate. Stereotype is one thing. However, the more compelling thing is that throughout the episode, Gren was being a real asshole towards Bigby. He started an unnecessary fight, and he really had no reason to attack Bigby. It was just frustration and you know he doesn't like Bigby. It was like some kind of personal vendetta. Plus, you have to remember that he's been painted as a villain, if only due to his animosity towards Bigby. And that animosity isn't likely to diminish. So you're weakening a possible future opponent.
With Beast, you know he trusts and likes Bigby from the elevator scene. Whether Bigby lies to him or tells him that he wants to stay out of it, Beast doesn't get angry at that moment. Plus, in this scene, there's Beauty, and it's Beauty who begs Bigby to stop. I think most players stopped because of Beauty. Also, once Beast took that cheap shot of smashing the bottle against Bigby's head, Bigby does tackle him into the door of Room 207.
I don't care for him and He called me a lap dog.. I like beast and do not want to hurt him or Beauty but Im not going to make my Bigby a b**** and just be bloody everywhere
Is someone trolling with the dislikes?That's not nice.
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What if someone you loved died wouldn't you be upset about it? Though it is crane's fault since he kept Bigby busy while he was messing around with holly. This was a misunderstanding too if you think about it.
I did both, my Bigby is kind of an asshole when he transforms in his wolf form.
Yep, they made me eye gouge him to continue on. I let him beat on me otherwise
No, It's King Cole who calls the shots. Crane is just a temporary leader. I never said Bigby runs the show, don't put words in my mouth. If you can't debate without doing that, then we have nothing to talk about.
Stop applying human laws and logic to Fable Town. That isn't how things work. Why do you think Dee was able to walk away so easily after the interrogation?
It still sucks because you are comparing a government set up to a shop....
I never said Bigby knew Molly's sister went missing. Can anyone on here have a friendly debate without putting words in the other persons mouth?
You actually just admitted Snow is at fault because she never told Bigby about Molly's missing sister.
Bigby is a lapdog for the system...I love his character, but it doesn't change that fact. I would insult Snow too if my complaints were never listened too. How is Gren suppose to know whose fault it is? All he sees is a pathetically flawed system.
Gren attacked Bigby because he was sick of the system ignoring him and his friends. Also the majority of players had punched him to instigate a fight.
See the "no provocation" thing is BS. You may have not punched him like most players, but Bigby was still down at the Trip Trap for a shakedown. No one likes law enforcement shaking them down, especially when they work for a system that never lifts a finger to help them.
"An example needed to be made", yeah that sounds perfectly reasonable. (not)
All you did was make people even more disgusted and distrustful of Bigby. Most Fables already hate him due to his past of being a complete d*ck.
Gren had already tried that, many times. Hell you even saw him waiting in line during this very episode. It isn't just him either. Remember that Beauty already said that she tried to go to Snow and Bigby for help? Nothing got done and there was no time to see her.
Gren ripped his arm off cold and calculated having bad day he trys to stop me intimidate me and then kill me think boot was on other foot he would killed you also send message try mess and kill bigbad wolf there will be consequences but in beast never hit him when he was down because lied to him and what he saw could 100% undertstand his rage perception is reality and his my friend so like triple back stabbing in his eyes and felt awful fighting him so never got to that stage where he was at my mercy
No, it should be King Cole, but the poor guy really doesn't deserve it. No, if Bigby works for a sh*tty system then he is accountable for it.
Did you really need to make this many comments? Jesus dude, just have one long post next time.
Gren doesn't know that Snow isn't to blame because he only deals with her.
Gren has a beef with the entire system, not Crane. Which is why he is crapping on everyone who is apart of it.
lmao, this is so true. These kids think that ripping his arm of is a completely reasonable response after having a bar fight. XD
me to just like wtf only 5% actually proud of myself