Luke's new Role as Clementine's caretaker, and as a mood influencing character.
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It seems that in season 1, Lee was the practical voice of reason, and the person who got shit done, while Clementine was his hope.
In season 2, I see Luke adopting Clementine and him being her caretaker for most of the season, but in some ways the roles would be the other way around, with Luke being the hopeful positive guy, and Clementine being the practical voice of reason.
What do you guys think about Luke's role's as her caretaker as well as the bringer of hope, and Clementine's role as the practical character and the Getter of shit done?
The general idea is, Clementine in a few ways will become his caretaker, she will probably have to make some hard decisions that his kind nature prohibits him from making.
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I agree to a point. I have a major suspicion that Telltale is going to keep Luke in for the long hall, and from what we've seen so far, he's a fairly moral character (as opposed to pragmatic).
What I disagree with is Lee being practical. I'll admit that you can play him as practical, but you can also play him as being more moralistic. He was definitely the person who got shit done though. I can't disagree with that.
As for season 2, Luke is probably going to be more helpful to the group than Clem in most situations. The reasons for this are obvious. However, I do imagine the two of them providing hope for each other. Luke would be like an older brother she never had, and Clem might remind Luke of a younger sister he lost early into the outbreak (that's my pet theory anyways).
Hmm. Not sure about this. Luke may be sympathetic towards Clem but his primary commitment is still to his group. Those are the people he knows and has been around with for a while now. I'm not sure if his relationship with Clem will ever really be that of a caretaker, unless they get separated from the rest of the group. I'm also not so sure about him being the voice of hope. He's a pretty cheerful guy, sure, but I don't think he's innocent to the point where he'd need Clem to help him "get shit done."
To me, a more likely character for a kind of "beacon of hope and optimism" role would be Sarah. She's older than Clem but possibly even more innocent and naive than Clem was in the beginning. Maybe Carlos gets killed off some point in the future and Clem will have to try to toughen Sarah up to help her survive now that her father is no longer there to take care of her.
Clementine: "I don't think the others will be happy with me staying." Luke: "They'll just have to deal with it." I think Luke prioritizes them both equally now that he has gotten to know Clementine.
Luke takes initiative to get Clem some food and to talk to her afterward to see if she is okay the moment he realizes how badly he fucked up by letting the others lock her in the shed. He also convinces Nick to apologize to Clem, and gives Clem the opportunity to build a relationship with Nick by forgiving him. Also remember that Luke literally charged a group of walkers to save Clementine, and Pete had to save Luke (crossbows the walker behind him) as he was distracted by seeing if Clem was okay to see the walker that was behind him.
I'm not sure if Luke is just a very morally driven person ('A dog attacks you and you just kill it? That's cold. You don't just kill dogs.') or if he is driven by the memory of a dead younger sibling that Clementine fills the emotional void of. Either way, he has A LOT of concern for Clementine, and it only builds up as the episode progresses and he gets to know her more.
I think he feels a lot of guilt over the shed decision, and this will also drive him to try to look out for her more in the future.
To me, Sarah is more of a worry than anything. All she is to me is a worry that she is in danger, that her supreme naivety will get her or someone else killed. Clementine had her wits to temper and survive her own naivety, and to help her survive and grow beyond losing it. I know when I saw Sarah the only feelings I got were ones of concern and unsettlement. The reason why Luke strikes the hope into me is because he seems like such a moral person, even though he has survived the apocalypse and contributed as an adult so far, he hasn't lost any of his ethics or humanity. Furthermore, the fact that he cares about Clementine makes me feel a little more secure, and even a little hopeful: I know Luke will look out for her, though I do worry what that may cost him.
I mean it's possible, but I just don't really see Clem really having any sort of "caretaker" in the group. Luke is definitely the Cabin member who's most on her side at this point and he would try to look out for her if he could (as would Pete if he survives). But that's different than becoming her caretaker, which to me suggests a level of commitment and responsibility above and beyond that towards another group member. Right now, I at most see Luke maybe becoming something of a confidant to Clem, like Carley was to Lee.
The reason I think Sarah is going to be the important influence on Clem is because she embodies everything that Clem has lost over the past 16 months of her life: innocence, naivete, trustfulness, and optimism. Luke is a very nice, moral person, but he doesn't really provide Clem with anything special that she can't get from someone else. Sarah, on the other hand, is possibly the only person left in that world who's been completely untouched by its horrors. That makes her the one person who might be able to bring that spark of hope back to Clem.
I don't trust him at all. He's trying too hard to be friendly. I bet he's working for Craven.
Good point. I guess it depends on how much the group demands from Luke, and how much Carlos tries to obstruct Sarah relating with Clem.
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I don't think Luke will directly replace Lee, as you kind of said. He seems like he'll be more of an older brother to Clementine than a father figure, but Clementine will be the more serious one, which I think would add some much-needed comic relief now that Omid is gone
There are only really 3... maybe 4 people in that group that I like.
Luke and Alvin seem to be the moral members of the group - favorites
They're the ones who would have probably taken Clem into the house.
Nick and Pete are also pretty moral, though they have some significant flaws - Nick doesnt think things through and hesitates and snaps, and Pete is too hard on Nick (though he's been really nice to Clementine)
Meanwhile, the dead weight (no pun intended)
Rebecca's the Larry of the group who everyone wants to see die. Belligerent, looking to start trouble, uncaring, cheats on Alvin, creates unnecessary drama which puts the group in trouble. She makes it impossible for anyone to want to trust her or like her or want to protect her when the crap hits the fan. At all. Except unlike Larry, she's pregnant so we'd rather wait until she has a baby before we want to see her be dead.
Carlos is a jerk as well - if he's a doctor, he would know that leaving Clem in the shed with an untreated wound could cause her to die from the infection alone, even if it's not a walker bite. He's not only heartless, he's self-absorbed and unnecessarily belligerant about Clem using supplies on her own to survive. He's a father - he should be more sympathetic. Not to mention he's just setting up his daughter to be walker food with how he's sheltering her to this extent.
Sarah - nice person, but naivety like that is a death sentence in the Walking Dead, especially if Carlos dies (which he likely will) Plus... considering the state of the world, she's spoiled if she thinks her father saying he loves her but is disappointed with her is 'the worst thing ever.' But that's more Carlos's fault for the insane level of sheltering he must be giving her. Has she never even SEEN a walker in the past 2 years? If she doesnt gain some real survival skills, she's dead and will probably get someone else killed in the process.
I don't think anyone can replace Lee. There's no one in that group as self-sacrificing as Lee was, even if Luke is the closest in mentality to Lee.
My prediction: Kenny is the person that Clem thought was dead. Luke turns out to be a pedophile, Kenny kills him after he figures out his intentions.
I'm probably wrong, but the bottom line... Luke is definitely hiding something.
I wanna see what Luke's all about in episode 2 before I come to any conclusions about him. It's great that he feels sad about putting Clementine in the shed and so sweet of him to give Clem food (what a grand gesture!), but he wasn't even going to give Clem the benefit of the doubt at first. That was Pete's doing.
Right now, it's easy to warm up to him because he sympathizes the most with Clementine. That's really not saying much when Carlos is only worried about his daughter, Sarah is a psychopath, Rebecca hates you, Alvin's a pussy, Pete's bitten/dead and Nick's lost/a loose cannon. Let's see the group get put in a difficult spot and see how he handles things.
As of right now, I like Luke. I do. Guy seems cool and genuine. I just wouldn't bet my life that he actually is yet.
I'd pick the first choice:
"More pudding please...or whatever this is you're trying to make me eat..."
Or rather bring that "spark" instead to Sarah, she needs to see the "light" of what the world is
Who says Luke isn't a complete bastard underneath everything yet. Let's see what happens before we start acting like he's the next Lee.
It seems to me part of the point is Clementine coming into her own, so I don't think she's going to need a caretaker. That's what Chuck was trying to get across. Whether he initially takes that role, a large part of the season would mean proving that he doesn't need to.
I think it's a shame that Pete is going to be dead no matter what. Even if you save him, he's going to turn. Even if you cut off his leg. It would actually be cool if Telltale made it so there's a possibility of Pete SURVIVING, at least a couple of episodes. But he's not going to - it's going to be a Doug/Carley faux choice all over again. Both Pete and Nick are going to be dead.
I picked a little something up when Melissa was being interviewed at Up At Noon... At the end of the interview, when Greg insisted that she tells him something major about the future of season 2 she "changed the subject" and said
"...Well , Luke is being voiced by Scott Porter, isn't that cool?"
Maybe she was hinting at his role and importance in the season's future, in her own clever way.
Yep totally agree, I suggested this on another thread in the past. I hope Luke lasts till at least episode 5
The thing is though, Clem and Luke are the only two in the group without family:
Alvin/Rebecca - husband and wife
Nick/Pete- uncle and nephew
Carlos/Sarah - father/daughter
I've always liked and hoped the idea of Luke being like an older brother figure to Clem. It makes sense. And I do believe he is going to be around for a long time because it makes no sense why they would credit Luke second behind Clem on the credits!!
I'm just hoping that in episode 2 we will learn more about each character and feel more connected with them whether we like them or hate them more
"The general idea is, Clementine in a few ways will become his caretaker, she will probably have to make some hard decisions that his kind nature prohibits him from making."
Funny you should say that. In our very early story meetings, we actually said that Luke supposed to be Clementine's Clementine. Granted, our story has had many many iterations over development, but that was his original purpose.
In a nutshell: Clem does not need a fucking babysitter anymore !
Absolutely not. Luke is a spastic, high-strung idiot. He doesn't have half of Lee's brains or presence. I wouldn't be all that surprised if he turns out to be one of Carver's agents.
Besides, no one can replace Lee. If the incident with Sam taught us anything, it's that Clem's gotta fend for herself.
This. People need to stop jumping to conclusions, especially since we just met him.
Not to mention the fact that the first name in the credits is Clem, followed by Luke. In season 1, for every episode, the Lee was credited first, followed by Clem.
That's interesting. I'd imagined he was a bit too idealistic from the way he got all sad and upset when Clem says she had to kill a dog.
*" Still... You don't kill dogs :[ " *
Awesome. I managed to breach the mind of Telltale writing staff and successfully predict someones thoughts at some stage in time.
Not over exited about my achievement or anything but...
Does this mean I'm one of you now?
(meanwhile, in my mind...)
That's Telltale's hiring process, infect someone's mind with an idea, then seize them once the change has been made.
I for one welcome our new telltale overlords.
I would have responded with a question further exploring what you meant, but more than likely your hands will be tied by the nature of your work.
Actually I'll ask anyway, you seem to keep elements of former characters intact. Will Luke have some kind of complicated hybrid Lee/Clem relationship? As in they both more or less look out for each other equally?
Or simply put an even sibling style relationship, as opposed to the guardian/child relationship of season 1?
Seems like a cool idea, because then you aren't just inverting the roles and perspectives, you are also mixing them up a bit based off of the characters personal traits, and the players get to experience and influence those relational aspects from both perspectives.
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Your feet ungrounded, get off this page.
Yeah she could probably indirectly kill almost everyone like this:
Carlos: Sarah NOOOO...
Carlos runs towards Sarah and frees her before she gets bit
Carlos: Don't worry...you're safe now...
Carlos realizes that he was bit
Alvin: Sarah, Get out of the way!!!
Alvin pushes Sarah away
Alvin gets crushed by debris
Sarah drops her glasses and tries to pick it up
Sarah avoids the bullets
Bullets are about to hit Kenny
Kenny deflects bullets using mustache
Deflected bullets kill Carver
Military grade slanted armor mustache. Depleted uranium stache plating. I see it now.
Actually, its an Adamantium-stache
Oh, I get it. You're trying to be the mirror from TWAU.
How cute. And how sad.
You try hard to jest, you say I am sad,
Your thoughts seem hard-pressed, you may just be mad.
Its to soon to say that we barely know Luke he may be hiding somethink so dont get your hopes up until ep2.
It was. Nick originally had Luke's hair, and Luke originally had Nick's hat. Nick also has a backwards hat at one point.