I told Sarah to shove a pole up her ass. I don't care if she is sweet and innocent she shouldn't be asking people she barely knows to be her friend, especially in the apocalypse. Then again, this all is Carlos' fault so I blame him. A showdown between Clem and him is inevitable at this point.
He did, even when he did murder the Senator it was an accident and was never a truly bad man. He redeemed himself in so many ways and in prote… morecting Clementine he really did prove the he was a saint even after all the morally questionable things he did in or before the apocalypse.
Yeah I remember seeing this one a while back. It's a very interesting theory indeed. I do like the semetry between the two and it was very clever of Telltale the way they did it.
Yeah I remember seeing this one a while back. It's a very interesting theory indeed. I do like the semetry between the two and it was very clever of Telltale the way they did it.
Great theory, but what if you play as "asshole lee" in season 1, treating clem badly like not saving her from the walker at the drugstore or s… moreaying negative things to her in certain situations? It wouldn't matter sadly because i reckon if your idea happened, Clem would still get angry/upset if he bashed about lee regardless of how lee treated clem in season 1
I like this, except Clem wouldn't be able to make Carlos hit the ground just by shoving him. And nobody gives me any of that convenient adrenaline bullshit again.
That Carlos guy puzzles me.
Does he really not think of the future of his daughter?
He acts as if unexpected things never happen, that he'… morell always be there to protect her.
What happens if he somehow gets killed? Sarah is just going to be helpless and end up dying as well.
I wish Clem has a chance to discuss this with him more in the future
Maybe if Telltale will listen to your idea, there will be two outcomes. It's when Carlos starts talking trash about Lee and you can manage to talk to him to make him stop or battle him. It will be like in episode 3 with trying to convince Kenny to stop the train by talking with him or fighting him.
Very true, I do see one difference that would need to happen though (imo). With the Lee/Kenny confrontation it was a building of anger with threats leading to Lee hitting Kenny, to me I see Clem as sitting there taking the verbal shots until she seemingly randomly snaps on Carlos. That's just the way I see it though.
Maybe if Telltale will listen to your idea, there will be two outcomes. It's when Carlos starts talking trash about Lee and you can manage to … moretalk to him to make him stop or battle him. It will be like in episode 3 with trying to convince Kenny to stop the train by talking with him or fighting him.
Well, for all we know, we are going to have a Duck situation with Sarah getting bitten and Carlos will be devastated, not knowing what to do and this scene happens where Clem talks about Lee and tries to tell Carlos to take care of Sarah by putting her out of her misery like how Lee took care of Duck and Carlos who is desperate and angry, talks bad about Lee and we will have two options on how to stop him by talking to him or fighting him.
Very true, I do see one difference that would need to happen though (imo). With the Lee/Kenny confrontation it was a building of anger with th… morereats leading to Lee hitting Kenny, to me I see Clem as sitting there taking the verbal shots until she seemingly randomly snaps on Carlos. That's just the way I see it though.
Well, for all we know, we are going to have a Duck situation with Sarah getting bitten and Carlos will be devastated, not knowing what to do a… morend this scene happens where Clem talks about Lee and tries to tell Carlos to take care of Sarah by putting her out of her misery like how Lee took care of Duck and Carlos who is desperate and angry, talks bad about Lee and we will have two options on how to stop him by talking to him or fighting him.
Yeah, that's what I was trying to say. But if this happens, I think these would be the results:
-5 people choose to talk Carlos down.
-100 people choose to beat the living crap out of Carlos.
If that were to happen, I would rip carlos apart. (assuming thats an option). and if not, well then i will pick the next best thing. He better not look to me for help if he does that, i will turn him down each time, even if his life depends on it.
If that were to happen, I would rip carlos apart. (assuming thats an option). and if not, well then i will pick the next best thing. He better not look to me for help if he does that, i will turn him down each time, even if his life depends on it.
Let's say after saving Pete, him and Clem head back to the cabin and Pete alert's everyone of his bite. Carlos and Luke take him to the shed to saw his leg off. Clem is just sitting at the dinner table waiting. Everyone else is with her. After awhile, Carlos walks into the kitchen covered in Pete's blood. The two have a conversation.
Alvin: Carlos! Is Pete gonna be alright?
Carlos: Can you all just give me and her some time to talk?
Rebecca: Please tell me he's okay!
Carlos: Just go. Please. This won't be long. I'll tell you later.
Alvin: Fine.
(Alvin and Rebecca leave, but not before Rebecca gives Clem an angry look. She gives it back.)
Clem: Is he going to be okay?
Carlos: I don't know. He unconscious. Luke's with him right now. He'll let us know if he survived or not.
(Clem looks down worried. Carlos walks to the table and sits across from her).
Carlos: Tell me what happened. Everything.
Clem: We found a bunch of dead people looking for the fishing traps. They looked like...someone already killed them. Out of nowhere a bunch of walkers attacked us.
Carlos: What happened to Nick. Is he okay?
Clem:
A-He ran off...
B-He was surrounded...
C-I don't know...
D-...
Carlos: So Pete got bit during the attack?
Clem: Actually, before. He shot the walker that bit him, and that's what drew them in. Before I knew it, they were both surrounded.
Carlos: So where were you?
Clem: I was in the middle while they were checking each side of the river. They were both in trouble.
Carlos: (sternly) So you decided to save someone with a lurker bite? Why?
Clem:
A-I panicked
B-It happened so fast
C-I tried to save them both
c-Well you didn't. Pete's bitten, possibly dead, and now Nick's nowhere to be found.
D-...
Carlos: Hopefully, what Pete said about his cousin was true, and he might survive.
Clem: No, it won't.
Carlos: What?
Clem: I had a friend who cut his arm off after he got bit. But he didn't make it. I...I found out after he saved me.
Carlos: Oh. You're talking about Lee aren't you?
(Clem gives him depressing look)
Carlos: Luke told me about him after you left this morning. He died trying to save you after you ran away.
Clem:
A-Please stop
B-...
Carlos: You left someone who gave you all the protection you needed and you had the nerve to leave him for some lunatic who brainwashed you into thinking he had your parents.
(Clem's rage starts building)
Clem:
A-That's enough
B-...
Carlos: And now you feel that people die because of you. I didn't want to believe that but after what happened, if Pete ends up dead, you may as well make that two people that died because of your stupid actions!
(Clem tears up)
Clem: A-Shut up!!
a-(Clem slams the table with both fist, in tears)
B-...
Carlos: If you ask me, looks like he failed you.
Clem:
A- He never left an innocent child to die.
Carlos: Because you were a danger to our group!
Clem: You knew, didn't you? You knew I'd be dead if I didn't fix my arm. You didn't even let me leave.
(Carlos shows a bit of regret)
Clem: You have your daughter, Alvin has Rebecca, you all have Luke as your leader. I've lost friends, my parents, Lee, and my friend might still be out there and I don't even know if she dead or not! I'm all alone!! I have no one!! How was I dangerous!? What can I possibly gain from lying to you?!! (Carlos feels guilty)
B- And you failed Sarah.
Carlos: You leave her out of this!
Clem: Does she even know how to shoot a gun? How to build a fire? How to defend herself?
Carlos: She doesn't need to do any of that! As long as I'm around--
Clem: And what if your not? It's been almost two years since I lost Lee. I've learned everything I need to know to survive.
Carlos: You don't understand. It just can't happen.
Clem: (sternly) I guess I won't... (Carlos didn't appreciate what you said)
(Carlos gets up from the table and heads for the door)
Carlos: I forgot to mention the backpack you brought with you. I guess Rebecca was right. We can't trust you after all. We'll give you some food. Once Luke comes back, I want you out of here.
More of a behind closed doors scene. And also by attack him I don't mean attempt to kill him, but slap him or something like that. Let him kno… morew to back off. Doubt she would be kicked out for a little overreaction (or perfect amount of reation from our point of view).
Could start out with Clem trying to give Carlos helpful tips about how to slowly adapt Sarah to this new world and he takes it the wrong way, … morereplying with how he is doing a better job that Lee ever did. (Of course rephrased better lol) I'm fairly sure the statistics for how many people slapped him would be astronomically one sided. I really wish their was a way for them to see this post :P
Well that's definitely interesting. I never thought about the group picturing Clem as wrong for trying to help Pete, but the way you put it seems pretty possible.
TRYING TO FIX THE FORMAT.
Read only if you saved Pete.
Let's say after saving Pete, him and Clem head back to the cabin and Pete alert's… more everyone of his bite. Carlos and Luke take him to the shed to saw his leg off. Clem is just sitting at the dinner table waiting. Everyone else is with her. After awhile, Carlos walks into the kitchen covered in Pete's blood. The two have a conversation.
* Alvin: Carlos! Is Pete gonna be alright?
* Carlos: Can you all just give me and her some time to talk?
* Rebecca: Please tell me he's okay!
* Carlos: Just go. Please. This won't be long. I'll tell you later.
* Alvin: Fine.
* (Alvin and Rebecca leave, but not before Rebecca gives Clem an angry look. She gives it back.)
* Clem: Is he going to be okay?
* Carlos: I don't know. He unconscious. Luke's with him right now. He'll let us know if he survived or not.
* (Clem looks down worried. Carlos walks to the table and sits across from her).… [view original content]
Good question depends how many times pissed me off leading up to this my instant reaction is to attack but on reflection give group good reason to throw me out so that's what carlos wants. Reaction would be angry scowl but like to get chance to plant watch in his room for later for revenge
Well that's definitely interesting. I never thought about the group picturing Clem as wrong for trying to help Pete, but the way you put it seems pretty possible.
Thanks for sharing!
Seems you have a better imagination than I, but perhaps you could try and take the route I picture and have the entire group being angry at both of them for leaving Pete. A bonding moment for Clem and Nick maybe?
1: How i feel about the characters during the situation
2: Do i know for a fact i can get the job done.
The 2nd being more important in any case, if it puts clem in serious danger, and/or if im not 100% sure, then if i do depends on the relationship between me, carlos, and sarah, and that alone wont be enough. If clem is in a situation were its save herself, or save sarah? the choice is clear, save clem, no matter the cost. Mean as it may sound, the last thing im gonna do is intentionaly put clementine in a situation were im gonna try and save somebody at the possible cost of clems life, as long as its my choice, i wont.
Sarah is blind to the truth of the world thanks to her bone head father carlos, if she is in a situation where she could die becuase of carlos's ignorance and over protective attitude in a doomed world where you have to be strong to survive, and i have a choice? Carlos can save her, im not risking it. However, if i know clem wont die, if i know i can do it without any doubt, then, and only then, i will.
It depends on two key elements.
1: How i feel about the characters during the situation
2: Do i know for a fact i can get the job done.
… more
The 2nd being more important in any case, if it puts clem in serious danger, and/or if im not 100% sure, then if i do depends on the relationship between me, carlos, and sarah, and that alone wont be enough. If clem is in a situation were its save herself, or save sarah? the choice is clear, save clem, no matter the cost. Mean as it may sound, the last thing im gonna do is intentionaly put clementine in a situation were im gonna try and save somebody at the possible cost of clems life, as long as its my choice, i wont.
Sarah is blind to the truth of the world thanks to her bone head father carlos, if she is in a situation where she could die becuase of carlos's ignorance and over protective attitude in a doomed world where you have to be strong to survive, and i have a choice? Carlos can save her, im … [view original content]
Indeed, I think most everyone who is playing S2 has played S1, since otherwise the story has little meaning imo. I think there is something at… more least a little bit wrong with Sarah beyond simply being sheltered but I could be wrong. I just think this scene would be a great addition.
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I told Sarah to shove a pole up her ass. I don't care if she is sweet and innocent she shouldn't be asking people she barely knows to be her friend, especially in the apocalypse. Then again, this all is Carlos' fault so I blame him. A showdown between Clem and him is inevitable at this point.
Here is the sauce actually. xD
Yeah I remember seeing this one a while back. It's a very interesting theory indeed. I do like the semetry between the two and it was very clever of Telltale the way they did it.
Watching that video made me cry hahaha this game is too amazing :')
Even if your Lee was mean to her she feels roughly the same about him. Being nice to her just made us feel good in the moment.
Revitalizing
We all want to see it, so we will chalk it up to that amazing adrenaline stuff
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Look into my eyes and tell me it's impossible... :P
It's im... impo... improbable.
CLEMINTINE KILLED LEE.
to make sure he didn't turn.
I think in this case Sarah will either figure out how to shoot a gun herself or Clem will teach her.
He deserved it.
Any new takes on the ideas?
Maybe if Telltale will listen to your idea, there will be two outcomes. It's when Carlos starts talking trash about Lee and you can manage to talk to him to make him stop or battle him. It will be like in episode 3 with trying to convince Kenny to stop the train by talking with him or fighting him.
Very true, I do see one difference that would need to happen though (imo). With the Lee/Kenny confrontation it was a building of anger with threats leading to Lee hitting Kenny, to me I see Clem as sitting there taking the verbal shots until she seemingly randomly snaps on Carlos. That's just the way I see it though.
Well, for all we know, we are going to have a Duck situation with Sarah getting bitten and Carlos will be devastated, not knowing what to do and this scene happens where Clem talks about Lee and tries to tell Carlos to take care of Sarah by putting her out of her misery like how Lee took care of Duck and Carlos who is desperate and angry, talks bad about Lee and we will have two options on how to stop him by talking to him or fighting him.
Oh we have two very different approaches to this scene then.
lol
Yeah, that's what I was trying to say. But if this happens, I think these would be the results:
-5 people choose to talk Carlos down.
-100 people choose to beat the living crap out of Carlos.
I guess I just don't see Clem as the aggressore in the scene in my head.
If that were to happen, I would rip carlos apart. (assuming thats an option). and if not, well then i will pick the next best thing. He better not look to me for help if he does that, i will turn him down each time, even if his life depends on it.
Even if Sarah's life depends on it?
Sarah's life depending on it, would be the only thing that probably would change my mind. Though as with most things it depends on the situation.
Just out of cruiousity, what would be a situation you wouldn't help if her life depended on it?
TRYING TO FIX THE FORMAT.
Read only if you saved Pete.
Let's say after saving Pete, him and Clem head back to the cabin and Pete alert's everyone of his bite. Carlos and Luke take him to the shed to saw his leg off. Clem is just sitting at the dinner table waiting. Everyone else is with her. After awhile, Carlos walks into the kitchen covered in Pete's blood. The two have a conversation.
Rebecca: Please tell me he's okay!
Carlos: Just go. Please. This won't be long. I'll tell you later.
Alvin: Fine.
(Alvin and Rebecca leave, but not before Rebecca gives Clem an angry look. She gives it back.)
D-...
Carlos: So Pete got bit during the attack?
Clem:
A-I panicked
D-...
Carlos: Hopefully, what Pete said about his cousin was true, and he might survive.
Carlos: Luke told me about him after you left this morning. He died trying to save you after you ran away.
Clem:
A-Please stop
B-...
Carlos: You left someone who gave you all the protection you needed and you had the nerve to leave him for some lunatic who brainwashed you into thinking he had your parents.
(Clem's rage starts building)
Clem:
B-...
Carlos: And now you feel that people die because of you. I didn't want to believe that but after what happened, if Pete ends up dead, you may as well make that two people that died because of your stupid actions!
B-...
Carlos: If you ask me, looks like he failed you.
Clem:
A- He never left an innocent child to die.
Clem: You have your daughter, Alvin has Rebecca, you all have Luke as your leader. I've lost friends, my parents, Lee, and my friend might still be out there and I don't even know if she dead or not! I'm all alone!! I have no one!! How was I dangerous!? What can I possibly gain from lying to you?!! (Carlos feels guilty)
B- And you failed Sarah.
Carlos: She doesn't need to do any of that! As long as I'm around--
Clem: And what if your not? It's been almost two years since I lost Lee. I've learned everything I need to know to survive.
Clem: (sternly) I guess I won't... (Carlos didn't appreciate what you said)
(Carlos gets up from the table and heads for the door)
Carlos: I forgot to mention the backpack you brought with you. I guess Rebecca was right. We can't trust you after all. We'll give you some food. Once Luke comes back, I want you out of here.
(Carlos leaves)
Or kick the asshat in the shin. Or throw something light at him.
Like a saltlick.
Or on a boat. Landboats rule. ACtually it's a boat full of salt licks on a trailer acting as a chariot for his four horses.
(?) You killed the "doctor" with a salt-lick. The group will remember that.
Carlos: Hmm that man did a very poor job raising you huh
Clem:....
Carlos: Nothing to say, hmmm I guess so and
Clem : (SHARKEISHA PUNCH and attacks)
Sarah; No clem no! NO don't kick him clem Don't kick him!
Well that's definitely interesting. I never thought about the group picturing Clem as wrong for trying to help Pete, but the way you put it seems pretty possible.
Thanks for sharing!
Death by saltlick it shall be. Judgement has been passed.
Na, he is a doctor after all right? He can fix it...
(Clem starts attacking Carlos)
Luke: Hey, he's had enough!
(Clem stares angrily at Luke, then back at Carlos)
[Hammer him] [Walk away]
Good question depends how many times pissed me off leading up to this my instant reaction is to attack but on reflection give group good reason to throw me out so that's what carlos wants. Reaction would be angry scowl but like to get chance to plant watch in his room for later for revenge
u wot m8?????
Thanks!
I'm not sure what to write if Nick was saved but if I come up with something, you'll see it.
Seems you have a better imagination than I, but perhaps you could try and take the route I picture and have the entire group being angry at both of them for leaving Pete. A bonding moment for Clem and Nick maybe?
It depends on two key elements.
1: How i feel about the characters during the situation
2: Do i know for a fact i can get the job done.
The 2nd being more important in any case, if it puts clem in serious danger, and/or if im not 100% sure, then if i do depends on the relationship between me, carlos, and sarah, and that alone wont be enough. If clem is in a situation were its save herself, or save sarah? the choice is clear, save clem, no matter the cost. Mean as it may sound, the last thing im gonna do is intentionaly put clementine in a situation were im gonna try and save somebody at the possible cost of clems life, as long as its my choice, i wont.
Sarah is blind to the truth of the world thanks to her bone head father carlos, if she is in a situation where she could die becuase of carlos's ignorance and over protective attitude in a doomed world where you have to be strong to survive, and i have a choice? Carlos can save her, im not risking it. However, if i know clem wont die, if i know i can do it without any doubt, then, and only then, i will.
So you would only help if you were sure there was no risk to Clem(yourself)?
TBH that reminds me a lot of Ben's mindset, save yourself at any cost (even at the cost of Clem's life).
If Carlos said that I might just brake my TV