Boo on them for actually trying to make the show profitable, the beasts. I have to differ with you on your complain that every episode of the … morefirst season was one issue of the comic. That sure wasnt the show I saw and Ive read the comics. The only episode that resembled the comic was the very first one. After that, people were flipping out that the show was going so far off script. That wasnt Frank's doing? Im not complaining because I didnt mind that the show was going its own path but creatively it went away from the comics fairly early.
I think he had some good points about the level of logic within the show (he was acting over the top for comedic effect I think).
I think that it is important for a serious drama to have logical and consistent reasons enforcing/creating the drama. Mainly things like the well scene and every decision Lori or Carl ever makes and whatnot were asking us to suspend our disbelief a little much when you consider that this is meant to be a character focused drama, so you'd think they would make semi reasonable decisions.
While he does bring to attention every little detail and every tiny mistake about the show, he doesn't act like it's the end of the world, he has a balanced reation to it, but he does call to attention to them. I wouldn't call that nitpicking, I would just call that analysis.
He also makes sure to put more emphasis on the bigger successes and mistakes of the show.
He also points out a lot of opportunities they missed such as multi-actor argument scenes (I know they must be hard, but they are very entertaining/tense), a lot of filler scenes consisting of groups of two characters 'being mildly irritated at each other' without progressing or setting up triggers for the development for their relationships in any way.
Overall, I like the show (TWD I mean), and I also like criticizing the show. It's okay to point out the flaws in something you like, it's important to improving them.
I just think it has been average when it could have been good, due to a ton of meddling by AMC and also decisions of the show runners influenced by AMC's budget cuts. I'm not saying that Kirkman or Frank never made mistakes, or that the new show runners never did anything right (because they all have to have have some things right and wrong), but what is certain is that AMC has a pretty negative influence on the show.
The episode after the mid season finale didn't give me much hope about the show getting better, why do you think it is? I'm kind of hoping you picked up something about the direction of the show that I missed.
The video you presented is complete shit. The dude is just nitpicking on every single detail that 99.9% of people didn't even think about and … morearen't bothered by. I agree that the TV show is overhyped and for good reasons. But it actually IS getting better. I agree with you overall though. I DO NOT want to see game characters in the TV show. If it happens, it's almost guaranteed failure.
There's just so many other channels if Tellltale wanted to do an animated series.
Oh wow. Imagine that. An animated TWD series by Telltale.… more (About other characters than Clem or Rick obviously). Making a thread for this,because I clearly don't make enough threads.
What if the crossover is that they will make Lilly appear in the show instead? By the sound of the way the community praises Kenny, nothing of… more much importance would be lost. Also isn't Season 2 way ahead of how far the TV-show has gone chronologically?
It's really the only thing I can see happening if that's the case.
Ya, S2's first ep was to be a really good sounding prequel eo explaining the originsof the tank zombie, the fall of Atlanta and briefly Dale meeting and saving Andrea and Amy. It'd end with Sam Witwer's soldier, the main character, hiding in the tank and deciding to kill himself with a grenade when he was bitten, but he passes out before he uses it. Then after a small timeskip Rick would come in and the scene in the TV series first ep would play. The second e would pick up in the present but instead of Rick group on the highway, they went back to the city to ask the Vatos gang for help and the whole ep took place there
Here's something that will interest you, I just got some new data suggesting that Frank was responsible for the first half of season 2, wherea… mores the new show runner is whom sped up the second half of season 2. Anyone want to try to research/confirm/Deny this? Because I'm tired as hell.
Yeah i'll agree AMC has done some pretty bad meddling with the show overall I mean I only liked 1/3rd of Season 2 it just had a lot of things going against it and I don't mean just the writing or the actors. I did go back a few months ago and rewatch it again it's better on a second viewing of the season but it's not by much. I do believe it's been picking up though I loved Season 4's mid season finale and although yes I did like the new episode "After" I felt it was too slow for what had just transpired. I did really appreciate the overall character development of Carl and Michonne I thought the episode was fine just not a mid season premier fine. also to note this episode is one of the few that is a direct adaptation of the comics.
I think he had some good points about the level of logic within the show (he was acting over the top for comedic effect I think).
I think t… morehat it is important for a serious drama to have logical and consistent reasons enforcing/creating the drama. Mainly things like the well scene and every decision Lori or Carl ever makes and whatnot were asking us to suspend our disbelief a little much when you consider that this is meant to be a character focused drama, so you'd think they would make semi reasonable decisions.
While he does bring to attention every little detail and every tiny mistake about the show, he doesn't act like it's the end of the world, he has a balanced reation to it, but he does call to attention to them. I wouldn't call that nitpicking, I would just call that analysis.
He also makes sure to put more emphasis on the bigger successes and mistakes of the show.
He also points out a lot of opportunities they missed such as … [view original content]
Little thing to mention - the reason T-Dawg had a fever and was getting delirious was because his wound from getting cut was infected (not zom… morebie infected.... just infected infected) which can give a fever and do all the things that were happening to T-Dawg. He wasnt 'sick' - Daryl gave him some antibiotics from Merle's stash for the infection.
They probably should have changed Carl's lines to be a bit more subtle as well, It just seems really immature to me when a 14 year old says those exact lines instead of a 9 year old. Maybe it was just the actor, just recently I have lost my mercy ruling for child actors (I just realized the huge difference in skill between Game of Thrones child actors and The Walking Dead's child actors), so I'm a bit more willing to blame Carl's actor for why he seems to be portrayed unbelievably in the show. By that I mean TV Carl just seems fake, like a Hollywood idea of how fictional children should work (TV Carl) as opposed to an honest attempt at replicating an actual child (EG Clementine).
However it could also just be that the writers aren't giving Carl's actor enough specific instructions of how to act (I.e. the writers and actor are both making the mistakes) , whereas older actors like Rick's can take the initiative a bit more on conveying emotional portrayal of their parts.
Yeah i'll agree AMC has done some pretty bad meddling with the show overall I mean I only liked 1/3rd of Season 2 it just had a lot of things … moregoing against it and I don't mean just the writing or the actors. I did go back a few months ago and rewatch it again it's better on a second viewing of the season but it's not by much. I do believe it's been picking up though I loved Season 4's mid season finale and although yes I did like the new episode "After" I felt it was too slow for what had just transpired. I did really appreciate the overall character development of Carl and Michonne I thought the episode was fine just not a mid season premier fine. also to note this episode is one of the few that is a direct adaptation of the comics.
My main concern is that if Frank was a showrunning veteran and he still managed to get screwed, Telltale might be even more susceptible to subversion by corporate lawmancery by the likes of AMC due to most of Telltale's experience being in the game industry.
Anybody else kind of bothered that "T-Dog" was on the show forever and not once did anybody ever ask what his real name was?
...considering… more that and the fact he never really had any major screentime I was kind of surpised he lasted so long in the show.
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Hmm. My mistake, I think? More people need to pile into this mini discussion and give their opinion, perhaps with some evidence.
I mean this could be either a good point or a terrible one, need more opinions here to judge myeself and Kcohere.
I think he had some good points about the level of logic within the show (he was acting over the top for comedic effect I think).
I think that it is important for a serious drama to have logical and consistent reasons enforcing/creating the drama. Mainly things like the well scene and every decision Lori or Carl ever makes and whatnot were asking us to suspend our disbelief a little much when you consider that this is meant to be a character focused drama, so you'd think they would make semi reasonable decisions.
While he does bring to attention every little detail and every tiny mistake about the show, he doesn't act like it's the end of the world, he has a balanced reation to it, but he does call to attention to them. I wouldn't call that nitpicking, I would just call that analysis.
He also makes sure to put more emphasis on the bigger successes and mistakes of the show.
He also points out a lot of opportunities they missed such as multi-actor argument scenes (I know they must be hard, but they are very entertaining/tense), a lot of filler scenes consisting of groups of two characters 'being mildly irritated at each other' without progressing or setting up triggers for the development for their relationships in any way.
Overall, I like the show (TWD I mean), and I also like criticizing the show. It's okay to point out the flaws in something you like, it's important to improving them.
I just think it has been average when it could have been good, due to a ton of meddling by AMC and also decisions of the show runners influenced by AMC's budget cuts. I'm not saying that Kirkman or Frank never made mistakes, or that the new show runners never did anything right (because they all have to have have some things right and wrong), but what is certain is that AMC has a pretty negative influence on the show.
The episode after the mid season finale didn't give me much hope about the show getting better, why do you think it is? I'm kind of hoping you picked up something about the direction of the show that I missed.
It could be beautiful. Idk if anyone here knows about this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phLVlvMKVi8 But it makes an animated TV series seem like a fantastic idea
Lilly is in the TV series now, although she's been mixed with April in the Rise of the Governor book
Ya, S2's first ep was to be a really good sounding prequel eo explaining the originsof the tank zombie, the fall of Atlanta and briefly Dale meeting and saving Andrea and Amy. It'd end with Sam Witwer's soldier, the main character, hiding in the tank and deciding to kill himself with a grenade when he was bitten, but he passes out before he uses it. Then after a small timeskip Rick would come in and the scene in the TV series first ep would play. The second e would pick up in the present but instead of Rick group on the highway, they went back to the city to ask the Vatos gang for help and the whole ep took place there
Yeah i'll agree AMC has done some pretty bad meddling with the show overall I mean I only liked 1/3rd of Season 2 it just had a lot of things going against it and I don't mean just the writing or the actors. I did go back a few months ago and rewatch it again it's better on a second viewing of the season but it's not by much. I do believe it's been picking up though I loved Season 4's mid season finale and although yes I did like the new episode "After" I felt it was too slow for what had just transpired. I did really appreciate the overall character development of Carl and Michonne I thought the episode was fine just not a mid season premier fine. also to note this episode is one of the few that is a direct adaptation of the comics.
No argument there OP...AMC really are a bunch of cunts.
yeah forget it, the first season was ok... season two was a snooze, I stopped watching it.
Anybody else kind of bothered that "T-Dog" was on the show forever and not once did anybody ever ask what his real name was?
...considering that and the fact he never really had any major screentime I was kind of surpised he lasted so long in the show.
They probably should have changed Carl's lines to be a bit more subtle as well, It just seems really immature to me when a 14 year old says those exact lines instead of a 9 year old. Maybe it was just the actor, just recently I have lost my mercy ruling for child actors (I just realized the huge difference in skill between Game of Thrones child actors and The Walking Dead's child actors), so I'm a bit more willing to blame Carl's actor for why he seems to be portrayed unbelievably in the show. By that I mean TV Carl just seems fake, like a Hollywood idea of how fictional children should work (TV Carl) as opposed to an honest attempt at replicating an actual child (EG Clementine).
However it could also just be that the writers aren't giving Carl's actor enough specific instructions of how to act (I.e. the writers and actor are both making the mistakes) , whereas older actors like Rick's can take the initiative a bit more on conveying emotional portrayal of their parts.
(?) That didn't reassure Qipoi very much.
My main concern is that if Frank was a showrunning veteran and he still managed to get screwed, Telltale might be even more susceptible to subversion by corporate lawmancery by the likes of AMC due to most of Telltale's experience being in the game industry.
It was Theodore. They said so in the show.
I wish he didnt die, he had a real chance to grow. At least he had a heroic death.