Luke or Lilly? A Hypothetical Scenario.

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  • Michelle murdered Bromid, the love of Christa's life and the father of her child. I would have shot that dumb bitch too, mistake or not. She was robbing an 11 year old and murdered the last bro we had. And it wasn't an execution on Christa's part anyway. It was revenge, on someone who could fight back if she wanted.
    Kenny never said he wanted to be leader, but he tried to take charge, early on at least. Later on he recognized the fact that they were a group, part of his personal growth, the stuff that Telltale wouldn't throw away.
    Comic Morgan became a broken, broken man after Duayne died. But he kept surviving. He lived for a long while after his son was killed.
    Michonne and Kenny are actually very similar. Both are strong and try to be independent, act cold and distant from people whom they aren't close to, both have impulsive and vengeful tendencies, both will fight for those they're loyal to until the death. Very similar characters when you boil them down to their base elements.

    I haven't read the comics so you have the upper hand on this one. I can say though that Morgan from the show went berserk after losing his son

  • edited February 2014

    I get that this is hypothetical, but it should still make sense.

    I never said that he showed a lot of concern for Clementine, but he still made sure that Lee was taking care of her throughout his stay in the group. He wasn't actively trying to oppose Clementine in that situation, he was just trying to oppose Lee. I'm sure if he met face-to-face with Clementine, he would show some compassion; perhaps some guilt.

    Kenny wasn't suicidal. His action was INCREDIBLY dangerous, but he did it with rescue/redemption/mercy in mind. If one of his goals was to get himself killed, he would've shot himself or let the walkers kill him instead of fighting for his life. A suicidal person would've embraced death rather than telling the walkers to "get the fuck off" him. Like I said, he took a stance against suicide after Katjaa killed herself, and he referenced said stance after witnessing the couple that killed themselves.

    This is a fun concept to think about, though. I'm still not sure what decision I would make in this situation.

    I know it's just a hypothetical not a prediction or theory. The thing is if he shows a lot of concern for Clementine then why do I have to

  • In this situation I would shoot Kenny

  • It can happen when Clementine talks with Luke over the table.

    People die because of me This line needs to happen in S2

  • Even though you basically wrote Kenny as an asshole there, I would still choose Kenny over Luke anyday.

  • Just because its coming from you :P

  • Ben's actions led to the entire situation in the first place, and Ben himself even admits to being the cause of their deaths. Lee can say as much too, in Episode 5. So I think that if even Ben is saying it's his fault, it's his fault.

    I never said it made Kenny a saint. I'm saying he could have pulled out his gun, and blown Ben's brains out like Lilly did to Carley. The fact that he didn't only proves that Kenny simply isn't a killer. At that point he's still an asshole, but not a killer. The group probably couldn't have stopped him if he tried, since it was a simple matter of pointing and shooting, and since Kenny lets his emotions get the better of him most times, he likely wouldn't care about what happened to himself afterward if he actually decided to go through with it.

    Christa was depressed and bitter after Omid's death, with Omid's death being what caused her to shoot Michelle. As for Kenny possibly having to amputate, again, that's not the same as asking Clem to kill someone, or shooting unarmed prisoners. He's not doing anything bad or selfish, just trying to give himself the best chance to live. If he amputates, he's not putting anyone other than himself at risk, and the only person who could be hurt through this action is himself.

    I don't think he would kill Rebecca's baby. It's all but stated after it happens, but perhaps the biggest reason eh went down to save Christa is Ben is dead in Episode 5 is because Christa was pregnant, and Kenny knew it. He wasn't just saving her, he was saving her unborn child, and trying to keep another family from being destroyed. He failed to save his own wife and child, so he decided to save someone else's. If he's willing to do that, I think he'll likely try to give Rebecca's baby every chance it can get.

    You say that Ben killed Kenny's family, but it's not that simple, there's more to it. For an example, I could say it was Lilly's fault for not

  • I must admit that is a better one :D

  • On a side note, Can anyone explain to me what not reading a theory has to do with a random guy dancing with a piece of chicken in his hands? Im lost..

  • You and me both bro

    SaltLick305 posted: »

    On a side note, Can anyone explain to me what not reading a theory has to do with a random guy dancing with a piece of chicken in his hands? Im lost..

  • Yeah Man its a freaking puzzle

    You and me both bro

  • Maybe instead of reading, he likes to eat chicken? lol i dunno

    SaltLick305 posted: »

    Yeah Man its a freaking puzzle

  • Thats one way to look at it :P

    Maybe instead of reading, he likes to eat chicken? lol i dunno

  • This whole thread makes no sense...the way Kenny's character developed in episode5 and got his Redemption would never lead to this events.

    But to answer your question...I would go with the Mustache man ofcourse!

  • You guys are evil. He just outright murdered a kid and a pregnant woman, as well as others, as well as forcing Clem to shoot Luke. This isn't even Kenny anymore, it's a psychotic evil bandit. Why would anyone shoot Luke in this situation?

  • Yeah, in this situation, I'm shooting Luke.

    Any other choice means Clem having to fight an indeterminate amount of bandits, from a bad position, with a gun that may or may not be loaded if this Bizzaro-World Kenny is testing her.

    Clem's tough, but those aren't odds you put your chips on.

    This theoretical Kenny seems to have gone off the deep end.

    I'd shoot Luke (in the head, naturally, guy saved Clem's life, he don't deserve to be a walker) and join up with Kenny, and probably find a way to steal enough supplies to head out on foot once it was 3:16 am.

    This theoretical Kenny ain't someone I'd want Clem round if she couldn't explain the reasons not to shoot Luke, no-threat Alvin, a teenage girl, an incompetent fuck up and *shudders a pregnant woman, no matter what kind of mouth she's got on her (if she's already delivered, she joins Carlos in the Dead Pool without a problem.).

    Clem resist's she's gonna end up dead or hurt.

    My Clem isn't dumb, she's not gonna get herself killed by playing with the Kobayashi Maru...

  • Beacause to do otherwise would get Clem killed, see my other post :)

    You guys are evil. He just outright murdered a kid and a pregnant woman, as well as others, as well as forcing Clem to shoot Luke. This isn't even Kenny anymore, it's a psychotic evil bandit. Why would anyone shoot Luke in this situation?

  • edited February 2014

    That's a pretty unrealistic scenario, I mean what's the point of having Kenny redeem himself and die as a hero if he were to come back as an evil bandit?

    Anyway, if things were to happen that way I'd shoot Kenny and then I'd shoot his moustache as well. Fuck that. Clem already had to shoot a person she loved once, I'm not gonna have her go through this again or let her join a group of bandits.

    @Groovy420 Well according to the OP neither choice gets Clementine killed. Besides, who's to say she won't get caught trying to sneak out with their supplies?

  • We've seen Clem can move quietly, and she's got a better chance of sneaking out, with or without supplies, than taking on a group of bandits when she's already stood in the middle of them.

    And you wouldn't know Clem was going to survive either way until you'd done it, so in that situation, I'll take the option with the highest chance to get Clem out alive.

    CLem's a mini baddass, but in that situation you'd have to be the Governor or fucking Jesus or Michonne to get out alive if you pick Luke, and Clem ain't there, yet.

    Mr_Eeuss posted: »

    That's a pretty unrealistic scenario, I mean what's the point of having Kenny redeem himself and die as a hero if he were to come back as an e

  • edited February 2014

    Unrealistic and kinda stupid.

    So after sacrificing his life and getting redemption, he's just going to turn out to be an asshole? Nobody knows if that group is going to be bandits either.

    "I forgave a kid who killed my family. Now I shall kill other families"

    No.

  • I can see a lot of people find this thread idiotic so I'll change it up to make it a little more realistically. You have to remember that this is a hypothetical, not a prediction or theory. I'm not saying that Kenny will be like that either, I'm just explaining how he is capable of it though.

  • edited February 2014

    EDIT: The situation used to be Kenny instead of Lilly, so these were my thoughts on the situation with Kenny.

    This situation is ridiculous, if they made Kenny a villain in the actual game, that would throw all his development out the window. I prefer my own theory about Kenny, that he will return as a more "broken" man and for the rest of the season will try and do what's right. No way he'd be a villain. If they did something that stupid... Well, I may just not play the game. I hate people who say "if they do this then I won't play it!", but if they really decided to do that? Well... In my own opinion, it would just be stupid, and would definitely make me feel like the level of writing would have taken a 180 to TV Show Season 2 levels of writing. Hell, maybe even Survival Instinct levels of writing(probably not, but you get the point.)

    That being said, they'd never, NEVER do that, so it's okay. He may not be a super good guy like I think he might be(at least a little), but if they make him a complete villain? No. At that point, I'm done, it's an awful scenario(no offense).

    Still, with all that... It's an interesting scenario to think about, maybe not this specific one, but where a friend you haven't seen in a long time turns "evil", and having to choose between them and a new person who seems good. I won't give an answer on this scenario, but if a different one similar to it were to occur... I think I'd shoot the old friend.

    Also, just like to point out, in the previews, the group at the ski lodge think that Clem's group is trying to rob THEM. Not the ski lodge group robbing Clem's group. So... The situation is impossible anyway. They're probably good guys, and not Carver's group.

  • I don't find it idiotic :)

    I take threads like this as a thought exercise, as long as there's realistic options, and the situations well defined like you did, I quite like theoreticals, even ones with alternate universe quantum opposite Kenny's :)

    I can see a lot of people find this thread idiotic so I'll change it up to make it a little more realistically. You have to remember that this

  • I'd shoot Kenny. I loved Kenny's character but if he has gotten his priorities straight and this is what they are... then he isn't a person I think Clem should be around. I truely hope if it comes down to a Kenny vs Luke situation (which I could see) that we are attached to both by this season, not by last seasons events and memories passed. I wouldn't mind seeing Kenny broken and try to rebuild him, but if he is so far gone as to shoot 4 or 5 people and make Clem shoot someone she actually likes... well that fuckers gotta go.

  • The simple swap of Lilly from Kenny makes this more realistic, and changes the dynamics completely.

    People who'd stick by Kenny cause he's Kenny, what do you say now?

    I still stand by my original post though :)

  • Of cause if Clem could Jesus her way out of it and save Luke, Luke all the way.

  • edited February 2014

    With Lily it makes a little more sense I guess, but I don't think she's like that either. She shot Carley out of paranoia, her dad being dead and Carley just insulted her.

    Lily isn't a bad person, so she isn't going to go rambo on the group.

    Lily still needs her redemption for killing Carley, which is why I think she is the ITYWD person and Kenny will appear in Episode 5 like a badass.

  • Wait what? Didn't it say Kenny??

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    I'd shoot Kenny. I loved Kenny's character but if he has gotten his priorities straight and this is what they are... then he isn't a person I

  • Well if we are talking about Lilly now.. yeah I'd definitely shoot Lilly.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    Wait what? Didn't it say Kenny??

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOgk7CxYy1s

    How i felt reading Hypothetical in the title

  • Didn't this use to be Kenny before Lilly? well before I chose to side with Kenny, but if it's Lilly instead then i'll side with Luke.

  • edited February 2014

    Sorry to break it to you KieranTheBroski, TWD is supposed to be realistic (I know the dead walking around, the realism is off the charts). Everyone in real life doesn't get to "redeem" themselves for past actions (like Ben for example, did he redeem himself for being incompetent? Nope). I think I would find it unrealistic if Lilly came back and said "I'm sorry I killed Carley/Doug, but I want to redeem myself and become a good girl." Okay, so I'm overselling it, but you see my point. Have you read the comics? Start of Spoilers! Lilly worked for the Governor and kills Lori and her baby! End of Spoilers!

    With Lily it makes a little more sense I guess, but I don't think she's like that either. She shot Carley out of paranoia, her dad being dead

  • Yeah it was, but people didn't like that I put Kenny in that scenario instead of Lilly so I changed it up.

    MayorMilk posted: »

    Didn't this use to be Kenny before Lilly? well before I chose to side with Kenny, but if it's Lilly instead then i'll side with Luke.

  • I don't think that Kenny is even capable of it... He was a good man at heart, No Time Left showed that.

    I can see a lot of people find this thread idiotic so I'll change it up to make it a little more realistically. You have to remember that this

  • Don't do what people want... ask the quetions people would find hard to answer. Lilly vs Luke is a no brainer. Kenny vs Luke was an interesting choice.

    Yeah it was, but people didn't like that I put Kenny in that scenario instead of Lilly so I changed it up.

  • Personally I would love to see Lilly's fate explored.

    I'd feel nervous with her around Clem unless she's chilled the fuck out since we last saw her, and I bear in mind she was busy grieving.
    After Carley I don't think my Clem could ever trust her unless she's left behind all her baggage from season 1.

    I always respected Lilly, even when I disagreed with her, that's why Carley's death shook me up so badly.

    I let her back on the RV because i wasn't going to leave her to die, knew walkers would come to the noise, but I was relieved when she took off, she did me a favor.

    I would probably have had to shoot her and while I would have done it, for a group to remain a group, some things must be punished, and you can't jail people (well I suppose Rick Grimes could, at least at one point) so there was no other choice. Letting her go would've split the group.

    I knew what needed to be done, but my loyalty being to the group, I have no problem killing the St Johns and dangerous outsiders, but Lee's group was falling apart, Carley was dead, Duck was bit, and I'd seen enough death for one day, thanks.

    I sighed with relief when she took off, I even told her to go.

    Sometimes we get to come back, like Kenny.
    Sometimes we don't, like the Governor.

    I'd like to see which side of the fence Lilly comes down on, at least.

    Good characters shouldn't be wasted, IMHO.

    With Lily it makes a little more sense I guess, but I don't think she's like that either. She shot Carley out of paranoia, her dad being dead

  • Okay, That is random :P

  • Viva, you have a way of saying what I'm thinking :)

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    Don't do what people want... ask the quetions people would find hard to answer. Lilly vs Luke is a no brainer. Kenny vs Luke was an interesting choice.

  • First, not the same Lilly

    Second, even though it is supposed to be realistic it is a sotry made to entertain. Expecting a redemption tale isn't out of the question... at all.

    Third, you really oversold it :p

    Sorry to break it to you KieranTheBroski, TWD is supposed to be realistic (I know the dead walking around, the realism is off the charts). Eve

  • Yeah but which Lilly? lol there are so many to keep track of :)

    Sorry to break it to you KieranTheBroski, TWD is supposed to be realistic (I know the dead walking around, the realism is off the charts). Eve

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