Yes, I'm not the type of person that feels sorry for others, I'm fmore the kind of guy that says "Well you have to suck iot up because everyone has got problems you either deal with them or give up... And in this world who gives up is dead...", but I actually felt sorry for Ben, no one in the group actually liked him expect for Clem (and Lee in my gameplay) and he got blamed for everything until he man up and told Kenny what needed to be said...
I'm not siding with either Kenny or Bern because I understand that Kenny was f*cked up because his family dying but his treatment towards Ben was too much
Yeah, everyone says how useless Ben is and how he never contributed to the group. But the the info he gave them was extremely vital. The whole group seems to forgot this
Well, everyone might've died in the farm. They wouldn't know about how everyone is infected and Larry would've probably killed everyone in the meat locker.
Well, everyone might've died in the farm. They wouldn't know about how everyone is infected and Larry would've probably killed everyone in the meat locker.
It's not that they "forget it" so much as it is them being pissed at Ben for getting the entire group killed in a matter of days. Simply giving out a piece of, admittedly vital, information doesn't mean he gets a free pass for the many many MANY times he fucks up later on.
Yeah, everyone says how useless Ben is and how he never contributed to the group. But the the info he gave them was extremely vital. The whole group seems to forgot this
Kenny chose to stay behind. Ben only asked that Kenny keep him from being eaten alive, which Kenny could easily have done by shooting him then retreating behind the gate. Ben knew he wasn't making it off that spike, but Kenny tried anyway because KENNY felt it was something he had to do. It was Kenny's redemption. In that scene, Ben actually saved Kenny, from a certain point of view...
I see it as more someone jumps off a cliff and other jumps off to save him kenny was put in a impossible position by ben and his feelings drov… moree him to try save him even though knew it was impossible bens stupidity caused something unnecessary
Hopefully be back for s2
They targeted Ben because they knew him, and because he was a kid. Not a child like Clem or Duck, so not useless, and easy enough to manipulate. They wouldn't have negotiated with anyone else.
I think the discussion about Ben is much more about "did you sided with Kenny or not?"
People who are crazy kenny fans hate Ben and other p… moreeople either like Ben or even if they don't like him, they understand him.~
And I don't mean "crazy Kenny fans" in a depressiative way...
It wasn't a gasp of air, it was his body responding to the attempts at reviving him. I was a lifeguard for a few years as a teenager, they teach you about this sort of thing.
They would be dead at the dairy cause they would have never found out that everyone is infected so Larry would have turned and killed everyone in the meat locker
Yeah the attack on the motel would've gone down either way. Ben was plain dumb dealing with them, he should've told the group, seeing as how Lee's group put the Save-Lots crew down pretty easily even though the bandits started with all the advantages.
If they'd been forced to attack from outside the fence, they would've been butchered. The Save-Lot's bandits were good at terrorizing people like Joelene, but Lee and Carley and Lilly took them down without much trouble.
They would've had to leave the Motor Inn anyway, there was no food left, but Carley would've been alive, Duck wouldn't have been bit, so we'd've had a slightly more stable Kenny for a while, but Kenny himself questioned his ability to protect Duck and Kat when he saw the herd from the hospital roof. Savannah was always a risk.
A lot of people died as an indirect result of Ben's stupidity, but I can forgive him as the only other option is the Crawford way, and fuck those people.
It wasn't a gasp of air, it was his body responding to the attempts at reviving him. I was a lifeguard for a few years as a teenager, they teach you about this sort of thing.
Agree groovy felt same and i saved ben after all his faults and leaving clem to die because knew deep down wrong thing to do and was the crawford mentality
Yeah the attack on the motel would've gone down either way. Ben was plain dumb dealing with them, he should've told the group, seeing as how L… moreee's group put the Save-Lots crew down pretty easily even though the bandits started with all the advantages.
If they'd been forced to attack from outside the fence, they would've been butchered. The Save-Lot's bandits were good at terrorizing people like Joelene, but Lee and Carley and Lilly took them down without much trouble.
They would've had to leave the Motor Inn anyway, there was no food left, but Carley would've been alive, Duck wouldn't have been bit, so we'd've had a slightly more stable Kenny for a while, but Kenny himself questioned his ability to protect Duck and Kat when he saw the herd from the hospital roof. Savannah was always a risk.
A lot of people died as an indirect result of Ben's stupidity, but I can forgive him as the only other option is the Crawford way, and fuck those people.
Yeah I felt sorry for him. I told him not to tell Kenny because I knew Kenny would want payback, Lee could see the big picture, Ben was doing what he thought was the right thing, and intentions count for a lot when decideding how to deal with someones constant fuck ups. If I'd thought for one moment he was just a selfish coward I would've left him.
Ben's problem was he wanted to help, but never thought things through, and wasn't confident enough to take his problems to someone who could help.
Agree groovy felt same and i saved ben after all his faults and leaving clem to die because knew deep down wrong thing to do and was the crawford mentality
Nah those bandits were pussies. They had the group at gunpoint inside the walls and they still got their assess handed to them. The Save-Lots crew were only tough to people like Jolene.
Lee's group fucked them up when they had all the advantages.
If they'd attacked from outside the walls, they would've been slaughtered.
The season would have ended in episode 3 with everyone fucking dying due to the bandits attacking before they could escape. Ben saved the group by supplying the bandits until Kenny fixed the RV.
I actually really relate to that only decision where have to think about it then came to realization it's only kid who trying to do his best so ashamed of myself for even thinking about leaving him then i would of become true monster. But games always teach me a lot about my morals and test them playing last of us learned willing to kill a lot of innocent people and damn human race just to save little girl(ellie)
Yeah I felt sorry for him. I told him not to tell Kenny because I knew Kenny would want payback, Lee could see the big picture, Ben was doing … morewhat he thought was the right thing, and intentions count for a lot when decideding how to deal with someones constant fuck ups. If I'd thought for one moment he was just a selfish coward I would've left him.
Ben's problem was he wanted to help, but never thought things through, and wasn't confident enough to take his problems to someone who could help.
I'm not leaving a kid to die because he fucks up.
I actually really relate to that only decision where have to think about it then came to realization it's only kid who trying to do his best s… moreo ashamed of myself for even thinking about leaving him then i would of become true monster. But games always teach me a lot about my morals and test them playing last of us learned willing to kill a lot of innocent people and damn human race just to save little girl(ellie)
Agree Don't know was just me but when they told me what they going to with with ellie couldn't contain my rage so into game started cursing at tv and when got chance literally murdered everyone in hospital out of pure rage i turned into the governor but when ellie told me actually wanted to die nearly broke my heart just best game ever
Thing is, what Joel, did, those firefly's were kidding themselves.
Cure. After twenty years of post apocalypse hell, what exactly where th… moreey trying to save, humanity?
Cause I must have missed it on Joels trek across most of the fucking country.
Seemed like the only humanity left to save was in places like Tommies, and they were doing pretty well, they were starting to rebuild.
The only other people we met apart from Sam and his Bro were peaces of shit.
The cordyceps victims had more humanity than those dicks in pittsburg.
And Ellie shows that people are starting to become immune.
Life, if left alone, sorts its self out.
That world was unsalvageable and Ellie didn't deserve to die for it.
And Marlenes tapes make the whole plan she had seem kinda not on the level.
Fuck them.
Joel all the way.
Agree Don't know was just me but when they told me what they going to with with ellie couldn't contain my rage so into game started cursing at… more tv and when got chance literally murdered everyone in hospital out of pure rage i turned into the governor but when ellie told me actually wanted to die nearly broke my heart just best game ever
I saved a molotov for Marlene, as soon as Joel killed the dude who was guarding him I made it up and thought, this ones for you, you fucking bitch. but Joel decided to gutshoot her.
Would of negotiated with someone else bandits would never kill them it ruin there constant food and supply source could of killed them in first place easy even if maybe your survive a bullet and get away but with ben your death is inevitable
The group killed seven, maybe eight bandits in total, and there were still enough to pelt their defenses with arrows and gunshots. They attacked in the morning and were looking to renegotiate. If they had refused to begin with, whenever they had asked Ben, they would have sneaked in during the night and murdered everyone. It would have ended poorly.
Nah those bandits were pussies. They had the group at gunpoint inside the walls and they still got their assess handed to them. The Save-Lots … morecrew were only tough to people like Jolene.
Lee's group fucked them up when they had all the advantages.
If they'd attacked from outside the walls, they would've been slaughtered.
The group killed seven, maybe eight bandits in total, and there were still enough to pelt their defenses with arrows and gunshots. They attack… moreed in the morning and were looking to renegotiate. If they had refused to begin with, whenever they had asked Ben, they would have sneaked in during the night and murdered everyone. It would have ended poorly.
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Yes, I'm not the type of person that feels sorry for others, I'm fmore the kind of guy that says "Well you have to suck iot up because everyone has got problems you either deal with them or give up... And in this world who gives up is dead...", but I actually felt sorry for Ben, no one in the group actually liked him expect for Clem (and Lee in my gameplay) and he got blamed for everything until he man up and told Kenny what needed to be said...
I'm not siding with either Kenny or Bern because I understand that Kenny was f*cked up because his family dying but his treatment towards Ben was too much
Well, everyone might've died in the farm. They wouldn't know about how everyone is infected and Larry would've probably killed everyone in the meat locker.
It was a joke man.
I know, I was just getting in on the joke
It's late and I have nothing better to do :P
Alive...'nuff said
No, if u help give Lily you can see his mouth start 2 move then, smush. He was alive.
It's not that they "forget it" so much as it is them being pissed at Ben for getting the entire group killed in a matter of days. Simply giving out a piece of, admittedly vital, information doesn't mean he gets a free pass for the many many MANY times he fucks up later on.
Or he was turning.
Kenny chose to stay behind. Ben only asked that Kenny keep him from being eaten alive, which Kenny could easily have done by shooting him then retreating behind the gate. Ben knew he wasn't making it off that spike, but Kenny tried anyway because KENNY felt it was something he had to do. It was Kenny's redemption. In that scene, Ben actually saved Kenny, from a certain point of view...
They targeted Ben because they knew him, and because he was a kid. Not a child like Clem or Duck, so not useless, and easy enough to manipulate. They wouldn't have negotiated with anyone else.
I'm a bit of a crazy Kenny fan myself, so you're wrong.
It wasn't a gasp of air, it was his body responding to the attempts at reviving him. I was a lifeguard for a few years as a teenager, they teach you about this sort of thing.
Kenny had no faults, it was either all ben or lilly.
They would be dead at the dairy cause they would have never found out that everyone is infected so Larry would have turned and killed everyone in the meat locker
Yeah the attack on the motel would've gone down either way. Ben was plain dumb dealing with them, he should've told the group, seeing as how Lee's group put the Save-Lots crew down pretty easily even though the bandits started with all the advantages.
If they'd been forced to attack from outside the fence, they would've been butchered. The Save-Lot's bandits were good at terrorizing people like Joelene, but Lee and Carley and Lilly took them down without much trouble.
They would've had to leave the Motor Inn anyway, there was no food left, but Carley would've been alive, Duck wouldn't have been bit, so we'd've had a slightly more stable Kenny for a while, but Kenny himself questioned his ability to protect Duck and Kat when he saw the herd from the hospital roof. Savannah was always a risk.
A lot of people died as an indirect result of Ben's stupidity, but I can forgive him as the only other option is the Crawford way, and fuck those people.
oh, i see.
thanks
Agree groovy felt same and i saved ben after all his faults and leaving clem to die because knew deep down wrong thing to do and was the crawford mentality
Yeah I felt sorry for him. I told him not to tell Kenny because I knew Kenny would want payback, Lee could see the big picture, Ben was doing what he thought was the right thing, and intentions count for a lot when decideding how to deal with someones constant fuck ups. If I'd thought for one moment he was just a selfish coward I would've left him.
Ben's problem was he wanted to help, but never thought things through, and wasn't confident enough to take his problems to someone who could help.
I'm not leaving a kid to die because he fucks up.
Nah those bandits were pussies. They had the group at gunpoint inside the walls and they still got their assess handed to them. The Save-Lots crew were only tough to people like Jolene.
Lee's group fucked them up when they had all the advantages.
If they'd attacked from outside the walls, they would've been slaughtered.
everyone where happy and alive
I actually really relate to that only decision where have to think about it then came to realization it's only kid who trying to do his best so ashamed of myself for even thinking about leaving him then i would of become true monster. But games always teach me a lot about my morals and test them playing last of us learned willing to kill a lot of innocent people and damn human race just to save little girl(ellie)
Thing is, what Joel, did, those firefly's were kidding themselves.
Cure. After twenty years of post apocalypse hell, what exactly where they trying to save, humanity?
Cause I must have missed it on Joels trek across most of the fucking country.
Seemed like the only humanity left to save was in places like Tommies, and they were doing pretty well, they were starting to rebuild.
The only other people we met apart from Sam and his Bro were peaces of shit.
The cordyceps victims had more humanity than those dicks in pittsburg.
And Ellie shows that people are starting to become immune.
Life, if left alone, sorts its self out.
That world was unsalvageable and Ellie didn't deserve to die for it.
And Marlenes tapes make the whole plan she had seem kinda not on the level.
Fuck them.
Joel all the way.
Agree Don't know was just me but when they told me what they going to with with ellie couldn't contain my rage so into game started cursing at tv and when got chance literally murdered everyone in hospital out of pure rage i turned into the governor but when ellie told me actually wanted to die nearly broke my heart just best game ever
I was so glad I'd saved my flamethrower and smoke bombs lolz
Those last 3 doctors I killed with an axe
haha glad not only one brutal killing of doctors for me just head shots i like your style
I saved a molotov for Marlene, as soon as Joel killed the dude who was guarding him I made it up and thought, this ones for you, you fucking bitch. but Joel decided to gutshoot her.
That also works
*have
?Groovy is confused
The group killed seven, maybe eight bandits in total, and there were still enough to pelt their defenses with arrows and gunshots. They attacked in the morning and were looking to renegotiate. If they had refused to begin with, whenever they had asked Ben, they would have sneaked in during the night and murdered everyone. It would have ended poorly.
Maybe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AVQ8byG2mY8
In what way was Lee And Kenny Bens fault?