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LucasArts Star Wars games! (don't lynch me)

S@breS@bre
edited July 2009 in General Chat
He mentioned Star Wars! String the heathen up!

I was thinking, since LucasArts has made something of a repayment for the events of 2004, I'd be interested to see what the opinions of Star Wars games are around here. We here all, no doubt, remember LucasArts for its adventure games, and although the company lost itself in mediocre Star Wars games after Sam & Max: Freelance Police, there were some really good ones out there, ones that stand the testament of time simply as great games, regardless of the fact they're in the Star Wars franchise.

So the question goes out: what's your favorite LucasArts Star Wars games, and why?

Mine's got to be the X-Wing series, I loved the more "realistic" depiction of space combat simulation(contrast against arcade-ish Rogue Squadron), and the plots of TIE Fighter and X-Wing Alliance were fantastic. Playing the bad guy has never been better anywhere other than TIE Fighter. I fear we will never see the like of that again from LucasArts, as the games were sufficiently complicated in controls, functions, power settings, etc, that I doubt they'd pass the user-friendly/dumbed-down-enough threshold if released nowadays. The Dark Forces/Jedi Knight series come in a close second for me.

Comments

  • PariahKingPariahKing
    edited July 2009
    I think it's going to take people a long time to realize their irritation should be directed to Jim Ward and not LucasArts.
  • Toothless GibbonToothless Gibbon
    edited July 2009
    The Super Star Wars series on the SNES.
  • guitarsareboringguitarsareboring
    edited July 2009
    I went for Republic Commando, that game completely sucked me in and it made a nice change to play a Jedi-free Star Wars game. Jedi Knight closely follows though...
  • smashingsmashing
    edited July 2009
    I'm a huge Bioware and Sony fan. So for Star Wars games, I was completely sucked into KOTOR and also Galaxy (before they spoil the game).

    Errr... what was the question about LucasArts again?
  • PariahKingPariahKing
    edited July 2009
    Toothless Gibbon wrote: »
    The Super Star Wars series on the SNES.
    Oh yeah. That was fun.
  • guitarsareboringguitarsareboring
    edited July 2009
    smashing wrote: »
    I'm a huge Bioware and Sony fan. So for Star Wars games, I was completely sucked into KOTOR and also Galaxy (before they spoil the game).

    Errr... what was the question about LucasArts again?

    Can't really get into KOTOR, I've tried a couple of times with no joy.
  • PimPamPetPimPamPet
    edited July 2009
    I never really got into any Star Wars games. I do remember Dark Forces and Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight, which were rather straightforward shooters I somewhat enjoyed. I also remember playing Rebel Assault, but I didn't really like it. The FMV stuff was considered impressive then, but the gameplay wasn't exactly mindblowing.
  • smashingsmashing
    edited July 2009
    guitarsareboring wrote: »
    Can't really get into KOTOR, I've tried a couple of times with no joy.

    It's one of the few Star Wars game that actually have a good storyline. One of the few that you don't get frustrated and die, just because you can't time the light-saber properly to deflect laser beam.

    Yar yar... the starting of the game is just like any typical starting, with the protagonist not having a memory, waking up on a bed, heading to the academy to train, yada yada. However, the ability to have choices to affect the storyline (and ending) is just great.

    I can't wait for the KOTOR MMO to come out. Can anyone put me in a cryogenic chamber and take me out when the MMO is released?
  • taumeltaumel
    edited July 2009
    Please
    no
    more
    Star Wars
    games.

    Remember the days when LucasFilm and LucasArts were innovative? This franchise killed all that. As a boy i loved the first three Star Wars movies and i used to play The Empire Strikes Back on a VCS2600 but now it's just enough. Maybe after a looong break and when they return with something original again.
  • smashingsmashing
    edited July 2009
    taumel wrote: »
    Please
    no
    more
    Star Wars
    games.

    Remember the days when LucasFilm and LucasArts were innovative? This franchise killed all that. As a boy i loved the first Star Wars movies and i used to play The Empire Strikes Back on a VCS2600 but now it's just enough. Maybe after a long break and when they return with something original again.

    How
    can
    you
    not
    love
    the
    idea
    of
    a
    new
    Star
    Wars
    MMORPG?

    Especially after they managed to spoil Galaxy
  • taumeltaumel
    edited July 2009
    I don't care if it's an FPS, RTS, MMO or if i can run around with my iPod and beat other iPod users with my new virtual light saber abilitites.

    After so many years it just sucks!

    Make something original, something unique, come up with something new but really, no more Star Wars, please.
  • PariahKingPariahKing
    edited July 2009
    You know what'd be funny? If fifteen years from now we heard stuff like "Man, I wish LucasArts would stop making Monkey Island games. It was really great back in the nineties but after seven seasons and thirteen full length games I'd really rather play something else."
  • taumeltaumel
    edited July 2009
    I'm sure it doesn't need 15 years feeling like this.
  • MusicallyInspiredMusicallyInspired
    edited July 2009
    Where's Tie Fighter on that list????

    Anyway, I chose Dark Forces/Jedi Knight (because FPS's are my second favourite genre....when they're good, which these are), Demolition (I loved Vigilante 8, which uses the same engine), Tie Fighter, X-Wing, and Yoda's Stories. Fun fun fun. Maybe Galactic Battlegrounds to a point as well since I really enjoyed the first two Age of Empires games on multiplayer with my brother way back...
  • NovotnusNovotnus
    edited July 2009
    I like both KOTORs, but the plot in 1 was kind of flat. The second one is a masterpiece. TOR is going to be the worst game ever - it simply ruined KOTOR series.
    Yoda Stories was fun.
    Dark Forces and Rebel Assault are my childhood, so I can't dislike them.
    Mysteries of the Sith is still my favorite FPS (and I'm not a big fan of FPS).
  • LinqueLinque
    edited July 2009
    MusicallyInspired wrote: »
    Where's Tie Fighter on that list????

    Naturally, Tie Fighter is part of the X-Wing series, as is X-Wing vs. Tie Fighter.

    That series is definitely the cream of the Star Wars crop. Yoda Stories is awesome as well. :)

    Also, back in the day Dark Forces and the original Jedi Knight were both very, very cool. It all has become rather bland though after milking that cow for far too long.
  • corruptbigginscorruptbiggins
    edited July 2009
    KOTOR would be at the top of my list with the Dark Forces/Jedi Knight series a close second. The Lego Star Wars games are fun as well.
  • PimPamPetPimPamPet
    edited July 2009
    MusicallyInspired wrote: »
    Galactic Battlegrounds

    Oh, forgot about this one. Pretty decent RTS game.
  • der_ketzerder_ketzer
    edited July 2009
    KotOR and only KotOR
  • Astro GnocciAstro Gnocci
    edited July 2009
    i was actually a HUGE star wars fan when i first got a computer and my very first game was jedi knight.
    It's only later that i found out about their adventure games.

    I picked the X wing series, The Jedi knight one, rebel assault and Kotor, the X Wing being probably the one i love the most, for pretty much the same reasons as the OP.

    I understand why people get pissed of star wars games, but after all the company was basically founded to cash in on it... It's actually a great they ever bothered to do anything else. Stopping doing that and forgetting how to make good games along the way sure sucked.
    Aside from Kotor (which they didn't even make...) i don't think anything has interested me since x wing alliance.
    I like both KOTORs, but the plot in 1 was kind of flat. The second one is a masterpiece.

    EXACT opposite for me. Actually i didn't get shit from the second one's plot. I kept fighting guys whom i didn't even who they were and didn't even understand why i had to fight the final boss :|
    Maybe i'm just retarded, but i really thought it was terrible.
  • Secret FawfulSecret Fawful
    edited July 2009
    Really the only Star Wars games I've played are Battlefront 1 and 2, Empire at War (which I own), and a bit of The Force Unleashed. Between them I liked the Force Unleashed the most for its story.

    I'm not a mega Star Wars fan however, so some of the excitement is lost on me. :p Shoot, I LIKED Jar Jar Binks and the Ewoks.
  • NovotnusNovotnus
    edited July 2009
    Astro Gnocci wrote: »
    EXACT opposite for me. Actually i didn't get shit from the second one's plot. I kept fighting guys whom i didn't even who they were and didn't even understand why i had to fight the final boss :|
    Maybe i'm just retarded, but i really thought it was terrible.
    You were one of few Jedi alive and people and organizations wanted Jedi to perish. Some of them (like Goto) wanted to use you. Some other, like Sion and Sith Assassins wanted to eliminate you. Nihilus wanted to feed on you.
    Kreia was a master of Revan and later his follower. She wanted to train you as an aid for Revan, who left the Galaxy to fight the True Sith (in the final scene you fly to Unknown Regions to help Revan). As she was a Sith, the final fight was just final part of your training (and she didn't care if you are Dark or Light - all she wanted was to make you powerful).
    Personaly I loved the villians. They were deeper than stupid Ha-Ha-I'm-such-a-bad-boy-Malak. K2 actualy showed the horrors of the Dark Side - all the Sith were kind of sad characters, dissapointed with the Galaxy, they didn't possess the power but were corrupted and seemd to know that.
    Don't forget a lot of content was cut from K2 (Jim Wand's policy - it had to be relased before Xmass to make more money, even if it was incomplete). Some modders (including my friend Zbyl2) are restoring lots of stuff cut from K2 - with their restoration the ending would make a lot more sense.
  • Astro GnocciAstro Gnocci
    edited July 2009
    this didn't help much cause i don't remember a lot, but thanks anyway.
    At least kreia turning against you makes a bit more sense, now.
    Might try it again someday. I agree that malak was a pretty lame baddie by the way ;) but the overall plot, while far from being groundbreaking, was still kinda cool IMO.
  • NovotnusNovotnus
    edited July 2009
    Astro Gnocci wrote: »
    this didn't help much cause i don't remember a lot, but thanks anyway.
    At least kreia turning against you makes a bit more sense, now.
    It's even more complicated - Kreia ws dissapionted with the Force (as she was betrayed by both Jedi and Sith) and she belived that the Force has it's own will. Something made her belive that the Force is manipulating every single beeing in the Galaxy - that way she came to conclusion, that the Force caused both Mandalorian Wars and Jedi Civil War. She wanted to destroy the Force itself, but she didn't realise that destruction of the Force would cause death of whole Galaxy. You had to fail her first test in Rebulided Jedi Enclave, as you didn't want to accept her point of view and help her (all your responses states that you still want to use the Force). Later on she realises that another war is comming and your second test is to beat her. Finaly you can follow Revan and join him in war that is to come
    Astro Gnocci wrote: »
    Might try it again someday. I agree that malak was a pretty lame baddie by the way ;) but the overall plot, while far from being groundbreaking, was still kinda cool IMO.

    Thhe revelation was nice. Tuskens were fine. Rakattans were interesting. But besides that it's just another story of an unbeatable superhero and almost unbeatable supervillian (who seems to be interested only in destroying and bobarding everything), with lots of spaceships, lightsabers and fireworks. I don't say it's bad. It's just a little unoryginal.
  • Astro GnocciAstro Gnocci
    edited July 2009
    Thhe revelation was nice. Tuskens were fine. Rakattans were interesting. But besides that it's just another story of an unbeatable superhero and almost unbeatable supervillian (who seems to be interested only in destroying and bobarding everything), with lots of spaceships, lightsabers and fireworks. I don't say it's bad. It's just a little unoryginal.

    True, but star wars wouldn't be star wars if the plot wasnt kinda unoriginal and manichean (does that term exist in english ? If not, i mean simple good guys vs baddies) ;)
  • StarscreamStarscream
    edited July 2009
    I've played a good few of those over the years though avoided the crappy ones like Battlefront, Force Unleashed etc.

    Dark Forces/Jedi Knight series were good up until the jedi stuff started becoming more and more prominent to the point were it was pointless to use anything other than the lightsaber in the later games.

    I just wished they had kept it as just a Star Wars FPS series or had a separate one.

    X-Wing/Tie Fighter series still remains the gold standard for space fighter games*, only one has ever come close the excellent Freespace 2.

    * I do not call them a space sim games or "realistic" in any way as they do not adhere to the real flight physics of space, there were a few games long ago that actually did.

    Republic Commando was actually a pretty decent game a lot better than most expected it to be for a prequel title.

    Empire at War probably the best RTS for Star Wars especially if you just want to see fleets duke it out without having to gets your hands to involved, the ground combat though was really hit and miss. But compared to past attempts at Star Wars strategy games its a lot better.

    The first Kotor was excellent but I completely lot interested in the second and just stopped playing it.
  • corruptbigginscorruptbiggins
    edited July 2009
    Starscream wrote: »
    Dark Forces/Jedi Knight series were good up until the jedi stuff started becoming more and more prominent to the point were it was pointless to use anything other than the lightsaber in the later games.

    Personally, that's why I liked it. Dark Forces was just an average generic shooter which happened to be set in the Star Wars universe. Making Katarn a Jedi made the later games feel like Star Wars games.
  • Rather DashingRather Dashing
    edited July 2009
    Starscream wrote: »
    I've played a good few of those over the years though avoided the crappy ones like Battlefront, Force Unleashed etc.
    Force Unleashed is actually worth it. You can get it used for $15 or rent it like I did. I was able to push through the campaign during the rental period, but what content is there is pretty good. The ending(or at least the "good" ending) is extremely satisfying, I found the narrative to work, and the game is a solid experience with a lot of great tech behind it.
  • ShwooShwoo
    edited July 2009
    Knights of the Old Republic was a great game. I really should finish it some time.

    The first LucasArts game I played was Star Wars Episode 1 Racer, which I guess makes me a bad adventure game fan, and I have a lot of good memories of playing it. My favourite thing to do was turn the debug menu on, then give my racer invincibility and a very high top speed. That made playing through the courses a lot of fun.
  • britt12334britt12334
    edited July 2009
    you forgot one(none of the above)
  • Astro GnocciAstro Gnocci
    edited July 2009
    Star Wars Rebellion ?

    Gets boring quite quickly, but i still love playing a game now and then ;)
  • SHODANFreemanSHODANFreeman
    edited July 2009
    I'm glad Lucasarts are intelligent again so that I don't have to boycott their Star Wars games anymore. :cool:
  • FraevarFraevar
    edited July 2009
    I would say X-Wing and Dark Forces merely for nostalgia.

    Knights of the Old Republic was the game that re-kindled my love of Star Wars after being sorely disappointed by the prequels, though I'm honestly not ready to forgive LucasArts for messing up so horribly with KotOR 2 and then turning the franchise into an MMO, thus totally casting aside all the wonderful and memorable characters of the first game.
  • Astro GnocciAstro Gnocci
    edited July 2009
    lucasart didn't actually make the KOTOR games.
  • SHODANFreemanSHODANFreeman
    edited July 2009
    Astro Gnocci wrote: »
    lucasart didn't actually make the KOTOR games.

    I believe he means how they rushed Obsidian to release KOTOR 2 before it was done.
  • Astro GnocciAstro Gnocci
    edited July 2009
    Oh.
    Yeah i'd heard about that, but kinda forgotten.
    Sorry then ;)
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