Please read this and tell me what you think!

I found this article while browsing the web. To me, It just sounds like another troll trying to get attention. Sure, it ticked me off, but only because he decided to insult MI3, MI4, Lucasarts, and Telltale games all in one go. What do you guys think?

http://continueonline.wordpress.com/2009/07/12/a-series-of-series-ahoy-matey-problems-ahead/#more-678

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  • edited July 2009
    There are people who really think like that. They also still own record players, use a 56k connection and are angry that analog TV has been shut down.
  • edited July 2009
    What's up with people using the TTG logo on their thread title to grab attention? Argh...

    Anyway, I don't see any point to get upset about the article. It is a blog, and a blog is not a fact, but an opinion. Furthermore, he did made some very good points in his opinion. CoMI really do not enhance the story-telling from SoMI and LeChuck's revenge. Inconsistent character cameos were also very apparent for the few MI games.

    Frankly, if you are a real lover of MI, you should care more about the humor than the logical sense in the story. It is always difficult to have the same bad guy coming out episode after episode with a better story upping the ante of the previous one. This has been apparent in numerous shows too, Power Rangers, Transformers and G.I. Joe. They were never credited for good stories, but they were good fun weren't they?

    Err... maybe not the Power Rangers.
  • edited July 2009
    He makes some good points but his conclusion as a whole is off.
  • edited July 2009
    PariahKing wrote: »
    He makes some good points but his conclusion as a whole is off.

    Well, it's an opinion. As long as it's not a conspiracy theory or anti-semitic, I'm fine.
  • edited July 2009
    smashing wrote: »
    Well, it's an opinion. As long as it's not a conspiracy theory or anti-semitic, I'm fine.
    Anyone is entitled to an opinion but if your reasons for it are ludicrous or ill-founded that doesn't mean I have to respect it as a well thought or valid or rational opinion.
  • edited July 2009
    To Lucas Arts and Tell Tale games: You are what’s wrong with every game today. When someone says, “they don’t make games like that anymore” it’s because of you. You money-grubbing, artsy scum have forgotten the value of a good story in place of cheap laughs. If I wanted lame humor set in pirate themes I could watch Pirates of the Caribbean. Thank You for ruining the hopes of every gamer and fansite that waited for Monkey Island 5 and Ron Gilberts return and got this Sam & Max, overproduced, overhyped, episodic piece of crap.

    Yup, not rational. Seems more like a result of blame-storming.

    I blame the writer for the economical crisis!
  • edited July 2009
    smashing wrote: »
    Yup, not rational. Seems more like a result of blame-storming.

    I blame the writer for the economical crisis!
    There's a difference between making good criticism and saying a game is ruined or awful for a silly reason.

    As for the economic crisis I blame Casey Serin.
  • edited July 2009
    "Recently I was reading a book discussing Zelda Timeline"

    I pretty much stopped reading there and laughed myself to tears.
  • edited July 2009
    Lol, thing is... I actually really like 3 and feel like it FITS. Sure it has gaping plot holes but it' has that love and affection of a game truely made by fans of the series you know? I agree with him about 4 though, it's just plain awful.
    Let us forget it ever happened and live happily ever after.

    However, he's taken the stance that all sequels will be rubbish, without giving telltale a chance to prove him wrong. This gets my back up. So far we've seen potential, I trust telltale so here's hoping we do get a worthy sequel.
  • edited July 2009
    Yeah, all this 'entitled to an opinion' stuff is really silly.

    Nobody is saying people shouldn't be thinking what they want to think. But if, in my opinion the world is made of cotton wool and when we die we melt into a great glob of earwax in the sky then people are also entitled to point out the FLAWS in that.

    In other words, sure. This guy is 'entitled' to his opinion, if you like. But that doesn't mean that you have to RESPECT it. Too often people say 'well, I'm entitled to my opinion', in other words 'don't argue with me because that's what I think.' I think people shouldn't be afraid to say 'No, because I can't respect an opinion that is based on flawed reasoning and grounded in incorrect assumptions; here's how...'

    Anyway, rant on opinions over.
  • edited July 2009
    Yeah, all this 'entitled to an opinion' stuff is really silly.

    Nobody is saying people shouldn't be thinking what they want to think. But if, in my opinion the world is made of cotton wool and when we die we melt into a great glob of earwax in the sky then people are also entitled to point out the FLAWS in that.

    In other words, sure. This guy is 'entitled' to his opinion, if you like. But that doesn't mean that you have to RESPECT it. Too often people say 'well, I'm entitled to my opinion', in other words 'don't argue with me because that's what I think.' I think people shouldn't be afraid to say 'No, because I can't respect an opinion that is based on flawed reasoning and grounded in incorrect assumptions; here's how...'

    Anyway, rant on opinions over.

    I respect your opinion. :D
  • edited July 2009
    Yeah, all this 'entitled to an opinion' stuff is really silly.

    Nobody is saying people shouldn't be thinking what they want to think. But if, in my opinion the world is made of cotton wool and when we die we melt into a great glob of earwax in the sky then people are also entitled to point out the FLAWS in that.

    In other words, sure. This guy is 'entitled' to his opinion, if you like. But that doesn't mean that you have to RESPECT it. Too often people say 'well, I'm entitled to my opinion', in other words 'don't argue with me because that's what I think.' I think people shouldn't be afraid to say 'No, because I can't respect an opinion that is based on flawed reasoning and grounded in incorrect assumptions; here's how...'

    Anyway, rant on opinions over.

    me 2 :D
  • edited July 2009
    Getting bothered by someone's opinion on the internet is not something I do, but right now I'm having trouble understanding the opinion. He says Curse is terrible, but doesn't say why, and goes on a silly rant on the fourth game with kind of loose logic.
  • edited July 2009
    That post is a rambling mess of confused non sequiturs. Everything since MI2 is awful because he didn't like 4 and because something about Star Wars? He's got a point about the nonsense plot of 4, but that hasn't got anything to do with MI3 or Tales at all. :confused:

    IMO people often forget that the first two MI's weren't exactly watertight in the plot department either. Plot has always been secondary to humour / puzzles / tension / general silliness but no one complains because it's fun & they're both terrific games, and the somewhat nonsensical approach is part of what makes MI. :)
  • edited July 2009
    Just an incoherent mess that basically boils down to "I think Ron Gilbert is the messiah, and I really need to get out more and stop stressing because of a few plot inconsistencies". Nothing to see here, move along.
  • edited July 2009
    Yeah, this basically goes back to the endless "The Curse of Monkey Island is not the real Monkey Island 3." Also, I can't understand why he is bashing Telltale when they used Ron's input for an MI game, you'd think he'd be ecstatic.
  • edited July 2009
    I quit reading after "It’s one of my biggest annoyances to be a big fan of Monkey Island". Fandom is like a woman. You got to love it all the time. Otherwise you cannot even call yourself a fan.

    For example, you know why the SEGA Dreamcast failed? It's because these "fans" refused to pay for one. You know why? Because "it didn't have enough games". Of course not. If nobody's buying your system, why even bother releasing games for it?
  • edited July 2009
    GaryCXJk wrote: »
    I quit reading after "It’s one of my biggest annoyances to be a big fan of Monkey Island". Fandom is like a woman. You got to love it all the time. Otherwise you cannot even call yourself a fan.

    For example, you know why the SEGA Dreamcast failed? It's because these "fans" refused to pay for one. You know why? Because "it didn't have enough games". Of course not. If nobody's buying your system, why even bother releasing games for it?

    Hey now, I proudly own a SEGA Dreamcast.
  • edited July 2009
    S@bre wrote: »
    Just an incoherent mess that basically boils down to "I think Ron Gilbert is the messiah, and I really need to get out more and stop stressing because of a few plot inconsistencies". Nothing to see here, move along.

    kind of what i though about it.:)
  • edited July 2009
    I think he's talking about the music industry...
  • edited July 2009
    Rafoon wrote: »
    "Recently I was reading a book discussing Zelda Timeline"

    I pretty much stopped reading there and laughed myself to tears.

    Yeah, same thing here. I'm a nerd and I enjoy my level of nerdiness, but there becomes a point where it goes beyond nerd and dork and gets into an unhealthy realm. I think the writer of this piece crossed that point about 12 years ago and never stopped.
  • edited July 2009
    bigdondoo wrote: »
    Yeah, same thing here. I'm a nerd and I enjoy my level of nerdiness, but there becomes a point where it goes beyond nerd and dork and gets into an unhealthy realm. I think the writer of this piece crossed that point about 12 years ago and never stopped.

    Thinking of this guy?

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  • edited July 2009
    Best. Post. Ever.
  • edited July 2009
    Holy cow, there sure are nuff thungs where you could put the blame on Telltale. Repetitive Puzzle Design, Weird Controls, Unfitting Characters, 3D, those are all valid points. This guy got it all wrong though. His first MI Game was CMI? I'd say you can stop reading and bothering at this point.
  • edited July 2009
    Itchrelief wrote: »
    Thinking of this guy?

    The_Simpsons-Jeff_Albertson.png

    heh. :)
  • edited July 2009
    When I read the article I noticed he actually didn't say what was bad about Tales of Monkey Island and just branded it as 'a stupid, money making piece of crap' (or something along those lines) just because it wasn't by Ron Gilbert.
  • edited July 2009
    StonkBad wrote: »
    When I read the article I noticed he actually didn't say what was bad about Tales of Monkey Island and just branded it as 'a stupid, money making piece of crap' (or something along those lines) just because it wasn't by Ron Gilbert.

    Yeah, a Gilbert Fanboy although his first game was Curse of Monkey Island (or so he said). Kinda funny.
  • edited July 2009
    stoney1981 wrote:
    Repetitive Puzzle Design, Weird Controls, Unfitting Characters, 3D, those are all valid points.

    I don't see how rendering an Adventure Game with Polygons makes it bad, let alone be called a "Valid Point."

    Edit: Yeah, Yeah, I know that MI4 was the worst one. But not because it was in 3D.
  • edited July 2009
    stoney1981 wrote: »
    Yeah, a Gilbert Fanboy although his first game was Curse of Monkey Island (or so he said). Kinda funny.

    Actually, CoMI was his second. His first game was SoMI. Or, as he says it, 1, 3, 2, 4.

    To Dan, you are what's wrong with the gaming industry, and if gaming companies keep listening to sick whiners like you, just like SEGA is continuously doing, the industry IS going to hell.
  • edited July 2009
    "This is exactly the slopping writing that games today get in order to tie up plot holes."

    Now THAT'S slopping writing
  • edited July 2009
    He forgot to mention that SOMI is set after an imaginary Monkey Island 0 where Guybrush is a child dreaming of becoming a mighty teenager.
  • edited July 2009
    I don't see how rendering an Adventure Game with Polygons makes it bad, let alone be called a "Valid Point."

    It is a valid point, as there are still much people (me, for example) who prefer 2D Adventures. That doesnt make 3D Games bad, they can still be done quite nice, but its a valid point for those who prefer 2D over 3D.

    I have to say that i´ve been extremely sceptical about ToMI in that aspect, but after playing it for a while it seemed to be quite okay. Still, there are some things, like the Puzzle Design, which tend to disturb me at Telltales Games. But there is many room to improve this, of course. The Puzzles aren´t that bad, just kinda repetitive. (Jungle Puzzle at least 2 Times) They need to improve the puzzle design a lot in the next episodes, the rest is quite fine.
    Actually, CoMI was his second. His first game was SoMI. Or, as he says it, 1, 3, 2, 4.

    Oh, mea culpa. I´ve misread it then. I dont wanna read through this garbage again. :)
  • edited July 2009
    stoney1981 wrote: »
    It is a valid point, as there are still much people who prefer 2D Adventures. That doesnt make 3D Games bad, they can still be done quite nice, but its a valid point for those who prefer 2D over 3D.

    I have to say that i´ve been extremely sceptical about ToMI in that aspect, but after playing it for a while it seemed to be quite okay. Still, there are some things, like the Puzzle Design, which tend to disturb me at Telltales Games. But there is many room to improve this, of course. The Puzzles aren´t that bad, just kinda repetitive. (Jungle Puzzle at least 2 Times) They need to improve the puzzle design a lot in the next episodes.

    Repetitive puzzles are not that bad either. There are only so many ways to come out with story-linked puzzles, without making it too much puzzle-centric like Myst.

    The problem I'd had with ToMI is not repeated puzzle, but with putting two puzzles so close to each other in game-time. It gets old fast.
  • edited July 2009
    Well, for one Monkey Island has never been Myst, it has worked in the past. :)

    Second, yes, they placed it too close together too. Monkey Island never had all too repetitive puzzles in the past (at least as far as i remember), so it doesnt quite fit into the series. The only thing they should reinvent (at least in one episode) is the Insult Sword Fighting. :)
  • edited July 2009
    stoney1981 wrote: »
    Well, for one Monkey Island has never been Myst. :)

    Second, yes, they placed it too close together too. Monkey Island never had all too repetitive puzzles in the past (at least as far as i remember), so it doesnt quite fit into the series. The only thing they should reinvent (at least in one episode) is the Insult Sword Fighting. :)

    Are you sure? There are lots of repeated puzzle on CoMI. LOTS!!!

    And inventory puzzles really get old. Very old. One of the death-trap for a lot of the newer games actually...
  • edited July 2009
    Well, long time since i last played CoMI. I think i´ve to install and play through it again. :)
  • edited July 2009
    If you're talking about repetitive puzzles, I found the insult sword fights pretty repetitive. And they were even mandatory. Sure, they were also fun... the first time around you'd hear the quotes. But after three times of hearing the same insults, you'd hope for some new insults and hopefully matching retorts.
  • edited July 2009
    stoney1981 wrote: »
    Well, for one Monkey Island has never been Myst, it has worked in the past. :)

    Second, yes, they placed it too close together too. Monkey Island never had all too repetitive puzzles in the past (at least as far as i remember), so it doesnt quite fit into the series. The only thing they should reinvent (at least in one episode) is the Insult Sword Fighting. :)

    Replay 1, 2, and 3. Lots of repetition there. Some in 4, too.
  • edited July 2009
    I like how he goes off on insane ramblings of how much he hates EMI, and doesn't mention a single thing that makes CMI or TMI bad.

    I don't think he got the memo that most people dislike EMI to the point of ignoring its existence. TMI essentially doesn't acknowledge that EMI even happened due to its "years later" setting.
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