Well, I believe regardless of being separated from the group, he would've been killed off sadly, and if Chuck did survive hypothetically to the end, then I think he may have been there with Omid and Christa walking off from afar as Clementine sees their silhouettes (much like Lee saw Clem's silhouette with a theme of "hope" in chapter 1, but that's a different motif subject for another day).
Okay, I realize I haven't been clear enough with this recurring question and should've been more specific: Among each of the characters, who do you count as being optimistic, cynical, realistic, or apathetic?
Well, I believe regardless of being separated from the group, he would've been killed off sadly, and if Chuck did survive hypothetically to … morethe end, then I think he may have been there with Omid and Christa walking off from afar as Clementine sees their silhouettes (much like Lee saw Clem's silhouette with a theme of "hope" in chapter 1, but that's a different motif subject for another day).
Mike was originally gonna turn out to have been "Ralph" of the North Carolina Scavengers and he would've taken captive by Carver after having his group wiped out for his strength. In the game proper, he's just there.
Jane was spotted sneaking around the building covered in walker guts at some point presumably after the Cabin Group escaped, was possibly looking for food or something, and was taken captive ever since, with Troy being seduced into doing her favors on the side.
Not going to lie, I didn't know you can actually let Rebecca rest (makes no difference I'm guessing) because if you choose to head at dawn then Rebecca says she'll go as long as there's a chance of food. I'm pretty sure Jane just was around I guess, but the plot doesn't go into that, and is more than likely just a brush over that the writers didn't pay much attention or care for due to it being rather trivial.
I seem to recall someone(probably you as well) asking this question a while back, but I don't mind repeats at all, so Mekka Lekka Hi Mekka Hiney Ho!:
After Jane left with her excuse, she went deep into the woods to a special area, probably even taking Sarah's body with her, and communed with Sheogorath/Nocturnal for a favor requiring his/her power. Of course, because Sarah wasn't crazy/dark enough for the deal, her soul was rejected and Jane lost much of her power as punishment. Wandering the area trying to figure out what to do with herself, she heard the gunshots, realized it was the Howe's Ski Cabin Group and the Russian Group getting into it, and revealed herself just in time to stab Vitali(should've been Buricko) in the back, appeal to Clementine(and Luke)'s far better natures, and secretly planned to get rid of Kenny if it comes to that.
Being perfectly frank, though, I don't have a clue. It's pretty obvious she wasn't supposed to come back originally and so all we learn on the matter was that she heard the gunshots, realized she done fucked the group over, and ran/walked over to see if she can fix it, [in]effectively shoehorning into the finale in a contrived manner and hijacking Luke's role as well.
What is it with TellTale games and missing arms?
Lee's missing arm (The Walking Dead)
Reggie's missing arm (The Walking Dead 2)
Rhy… mores' technically missing arm (Tales from the Borderlands)
Grendel's missing arm (The Wolf Among Us)
Croft almost cutting off Asher's arm only to be discovered he was "joking" (Game of Thrones)
Keep in mind that some of these are determinant and I only really asked this for giggles.
* Does Bonnie feel remorse for helping bringing destruction to Howes and some of her former group?
* Are there any 400 Days protagonists that you think pair well together as friends or partners?
She might've paid a visit to the town across the river.
You would think that, but she never did mention it (she probably would/it'd be told most likely if so), so I deducted that she just camped out for a while; survived.
Speaking of the apple juice. How many times can you drink that apple juice? Does it ever empty? One time I drank it like three times and just forgot about it, but the rest of the playthroughs I just take a sip and get to pouring hydrogen peroxide on Clem's laceration, subsequently suturing that laceration.
Speaking of the apple juice. How many times can you drink that apple juice? Does it ever empty? One time I drank it like three times and jus… moret forgot about it, but the rest of the playthroughs I just take a sip and get to pouring hydrogen peroxide on Clem's laceration, subsequently suturing that laceration.
Launch, gained weight, turned blonde, and suddenly had an asortment of fully automatic weapons, doesn't seem too improbable to me
Di… mored she? Because honestly, aside from hair and eye color and vocal inflection, she always looked exactly the same to me.
I certainly understand your problems with season 3 Clem. If we start calling her Dark Clem, we wont be far off. The fact that Clem can only be this way now is a problem and a failure on Telltale's part.
To answer your question, yes I do like season 3 Clem, because this is who I was raising her to be, a hardened take no shit survivor. Now don't get me wrong, I think what I did to Clem to bring her up to this point is an absolute tragedy. Its not pretty, its not nice, but it is what it takes for a person to surrvive in this world Kirkman created. I take no pleasure in how fucked up I made her, but I did it so she could live. She has to walk in that world, not me. So I made her as hard as I could. Maybe its not so much that I like her now, she is not particularly likeable, but I do love her, she is my sweet pea. I rember who she was and understand who she has become.
As for her dress, i also don't have a problem with that, but I spend a lot of time around a teenage girl, I wish the worst of her dress was her bra strap showing. The Clem porn stuff is pretty far out there and very off putting but even if she was wearing a turtle neck, that stuff would still happen.
I thought you weren't going to respond, so I edited it to ".", looks like I was incorrect. Regardless:
I certainly understand your problems with season 3 Clem. If we start calling her Dark Clem, we wont be far off. The fact that Clem can only be this way now is a problem and a failure on Telltale's part.
Definitely, Clem is going down a bad path, and my Clementine was always moral, intelligent, wise on decisions (didn't go on impulse), and had hope in this world. Now we have some horrible two year time skip and she's gone full "We're all victims" and now has completely murdered someone, which I'm referring to Eli. Yes, Eli deserved what he got considering the circumstances, but not from Clem, it's just so out-of-character for my Clem to shoot someone and want you to cover up for her, just, what the fuck...
To answer your question, yes I do like season 3 Clem, because this is who I was raising her to be, a hardened take no shit survivor. Now don't get me wrong, I think what I did to Clem to bring her up to this point is an absolute tragedy. Its not pretty, its not nice, but it is what it takes for a person to surrvive in this world Kirkman created. I take no pleasure in how fucked up I made her, but I did it so she could live. She has to walk in that world, not me. So I made her as hard as I could. Maybe its nit so much that I like her now, she is not particularly likeable, but I do love her, she is my sweet pea. I rember who she was and understand who she has become.
Eh, I don't think she needs to act like this, she survived fine being moral, and honestly, I didn't want Clem to be like yours because I thought season 1 Clem was something special; something truly unique for her, it made Clementine standing out with her morals compared to most other hardcore Jane-like survivors, and she gave me some personal morals too just from season 1 and season 2 (season 2 being my primarily moral play through, I did say "fuck Arvo" after he betrays my kindness though and supported Kenny beating on him).
As for her dress, i also don't have a problem with that, but I spend a lot of time around a teenage girl, I wish the worst of her dress was her bra strap showing. The Clem porn stuff is pretty far out there and very off putting but even if she was wearing a turtle neck, that stuff would still happen.
I'd say if she kept her hoodie on, I'd be fine with it, but I do not want to see Clem's bra strap, and her shirt is a bit lower than I'd prefer, and for fucks sake she's 13 Telltale, not 15. They aged her pretty damn badly in my opinion, especially compared to season 2. Season 2 aged Clementine perfectly, I saw a complete resemblance and they improved the graphics without making her nose a lot skinnier, her skin tone off (season 2 was probably the most accurate depiction of Clem artistically), and in this season they even removed her adorable yellow-green eyes, just WHY, Telltale! The only reason I can recognize Clementine this season is because of her usual hat and other outfit accessories, other than that, it's really hard to tell with static Clementine (dark, immoral-based, impulsive, etc.) and Clementine whom's voice sounds older, and in in general doesn't look two years older than season 2 Clementine.
I'm only going to touch the "art" stuff once, but yeah, anyone who's into that stuff, I seriously wish they'd choke on blood, it pisses me off beyond belief, even the fucking Gabe and Clem garbage people somehow even like, and those people who indulge in that have no place in playing these games, even Clementine still thinks it's "gross". Thankfully I've never seen it on here though, even with the incursions from the person who every once in a while attempts to direct message everyone that stuff, hell, I even made an account to flood that out, but I've developed a technique on accident to always look upward when clicking on a notification and blurring the bottom to see if a picture is below or not, and I've never seen anything regarding this thankfully. I'd suggest doing the same, unless you're impervious to this stuff, but I'm simply not, I have an uncontrolled hysteria of hate for pedophiles, I don't know why, I just do. You can choose not to respond to this portion or not, I hate discussing it though since it mentally anguishes me just thinking about these assholes.
Sorry if that's a bit to digest, or pretty damn messy in terms of organization.
I certainly understand your problems with season 3 Clem. If we start calling her Dark Clem, we wont be far off. The fact that Clem can only … morebe this way now is a problem and a failure on Telltale's part.
To answer your question, yes I do like season 3 Clem, because this is who I was raising her to be, a hardened take no shit survivor. Now don't get me wrong, I think what I did to Clem to bring her up to this point is an absolute tragedy. Its not pretty, its not nice, but it is what it takes for a person to surrvive in this world Kirkman created. I take no pleasure in how fucked up I made her, but I did it so she could live. She has to walk in that world, not me. So I made her as hard as I could. Maybe its not so much that I like her now, she is not particularly likeable, but I do love her, she is my sweet pea. I rember who she was and understand who she has become.
As for her dress, i also don't have a problem with that, but I spend a l… [view original content]
Sent you a pm about the long reply, it was my fault, i took my time with it. Then didnt hit "post"
For me, up until recently I took Telltale at their word and have always played this game with the intention of telling "My Story", the fact that my story is dark and tragic probably says something about me. But I came in with what I consider a good understanding of this world, and in this world their is no "basic human decency". I dont find it particualrly believable, I dont think the world would ever become this bad under any circumstances, I truly do believe that people are basically decent and when things get bad what's best in people comes out.
But this world is screwed up, so I have been arming Clem since the begining with the tools to surrvive it.
When Clem kills the bullet guy, I dont see it as a strait up murder, I saw it as an accident. One that Clem is completely at fault for but not premeditated. I think of it as Manslaughter.
I really do feel for folks like you who raised Clem to be a moral person, maybe it will work out and she will have an arc that brings her back to her moral beginings, The Hero's Journey always envolves a fall, a point where the hero betrays who they truely are and hits bottom. They have to hit bottom so they can learn and become a better hero than they were. That is the Monomyth, but I am losing faith in Telltales ability to to tell that tale.
As for the other for the other stuff, I don't care for it, but I love fan art, but diving into for Clem or Ellie has turned up some really ugly stuff. I can filter it out, but I dont care to see it either.
I thought you weren't going to respond, so I edited it to ".", looks like I was incorrect. Regardless:
I certainly understand your pro… moreblems with season 3 Clem. If we start calling her Dark Clem, we wont be far off. The fact that Clem can only be this way now is a problem and a failure on Telltale's part.
Definitely, Clem is going down a bad path, and my Clementine was always moral, intelligent, wise on decisions (didn't go on impulse), and had hope in this world. Now we have some horrible two year time skip and she's gone full "We're all victims" and now has completely murdered someone, which I'm referring to Eli. Yes, Eli deserved what he got considering the circumstances, but not from Clem, it's just so out-of-character for my Clem to shoot someone and want you to cover up for her, just, what the fuck...
To answer your question, yes I do like season 3 Clem, because this is who I was raising her to be, a hardened take no … [view original content]
For me, up until recently I took Telltale at their word and have always played this game with the intention of telling "My Story", the fact that my story is dark and tragic probably says something about me. But I came in with what I consider a good undeestanding of this world, and in this world theor is no "basic human decency". I dont find it particualrly believable, I dont think the world would ever become this bad under any circumstances, I truly do believe that people are basically decent and when things get badwhat's best in people comes out.
Yeah I also knew what comes out of this world, which is why I applauded Clementine's moral guidelines in order to more or less be that shining light people need; to be someone different in a world gone to shit.
But this world is screwed up, so I have arming Clem since the begining with the tools to surrvive it.
I do this as well, except I take morals into the equation, but also do what needs to be done, even putting down a friend or close one if it comes to it (not Kenny, he's okay :^)). My Clem could be depicted as "moral, yet pragmatic" possibly, as I try to protect her while also looking out for others, being kind, not being an asshole to everyone, etc.
When Clem killes the bullet guy, I see it as a strait up murder, I saw it as an accident. One that Clem is completely at fault for but not premeditated. I think of it a Manslaughter.
It was definitely murder and impulsive, my Clem would NEVER do such a thing, and it pisses me off that she even joined the New Frontier as well, just, god damn it. It's just dumb how she doesn't follow basic gun safety after Lee teaches her, and in season 2, she can teach Sarah, it's annoying, and out of character, I think we can both agree on this. Eli got his punishment for sure, but Clem shouldn't have been the judge in that sense, at least my Clem. I honestly believe they shouldn't made Clem the playable character this season and the rest, as they've shown they're incapable of adapting her to choices we've made individually.
I really do feel for folks like who raised Clem to be a moral person, maybe it will work out and she will have an arc that brings her back to her moral beginings, The Hero's Journey always envolves a fall, a point where the hero betrays who they truely are and hits bottom. They have to hit bottom so they can learn and become a better hero than they were. That is the Monomyth, but I am losing faith in Telltales ability to to tell that tale.
Yeah, Telltale needs to shape up for sure, I just can't see Clem being a rather immoral person, but I respect those who made that choice regardless since it's in the game and in season 2, you have to have a lot of choices, it's inevitable to not have darker choices/moral/balanced, etc. Probably the darkest thing my Clem has done is watching Kenny kill Carver with a crowbar, but I detested him, what he put me through unjustly, how I wasn't supposed to be in that forced labor camp in the first place, etc.
Sent you a pm about the long reply, it was my fault, i took my time with it. Then didnt hit "post"
For me, up until recently I took Tellt… moreale at their word and have always played this game with the intention of telling "My Story", the fact that my story is dark and tragic probably says something about me. But I came in with what I consider a good understanding of this world, and in this world their is no "basic human decency". I dont find it particualrly believable, I dont think the world would ever become this bad under any circumstances, I truly do believe that people are basically decent and when things get bad what's best in people comes out.
But this world is screwed up, so I have been arming Clem since the begining with the tools to surrvive it.
When Clem kills the bullet guy, I dont see it as a strait up murder, I saw it as an accident. One that Clem is completely at fault for but not premeditated. I think of it as Manslaughte… [view original content]
I definitely see where your coming from on all your points, except this one.
Eli got his punishment for sure, but Clem shouldn't have been the judge in that sense, at least my Clem.
I do not see Clem as the judge here. She never thought the gun would fire, she never actually intended to kill him. She was trying to get her point across, and it went incredibly pear shaped on her. She was acting out of character for a Clem who was raised to be moral. But she also does need to stand up for herself, in her mind she had been ripped off and taken advantage of. So she was being forceful, it was a stupid plan, but she had no malicious intent in that moment.
For me, up until recently I took Telltale at their word and have always played this game with the intention of telling "My Story", the fact … morethat my story is dark and tragic probably says something about me. But I came in with what I consider a good undeestanding of this world, and in this world theor is no "basic human decency". I dont find it particualrly believable, I dont think the world would ever become this bad under any circumstances, I truly do believe that people are basically decent and when things get badwhat's best in people comes out.
Yeah I also knew what comes out of this world, which is why I applauded Clementine's moral guidelines in order to more or less be that shining light people need; to be someone different in a world gone to shit.
But this world is screwed up, so I have arming Clem since the begining with the tools to surrvive it.
I do this as well, except I take morals into the equation, but also… [view original content]
I do not see Clem as the judge here. She never thought the gun would fire, she never actually intended to kill him. She was trying to get her point across, and it went incredibly pear shaped on her. She was acting out of character for a Clem who was raised to be moral. But she also does need to stand up for herself, in her mind she had been ripped off and taken advantage of. So she was being forceful, it was a stupid plan, but she had no malicious intent in that moment.
Well if we're being honest, it's still horrible, careless, and impulsive behavior that was dying to go wrong, and my Clementine would handle things differently. Clem handled that just, well, terribly...there was no need for her to pull the trigger in hopes it would misfire on him TWICE in a row, and to contradict your point that " She was trying to get her point across", let me tell you, Eli was SHIT SCARED after the first one, all she had to do after that was verbally communicate, but Clementine's way of dealing was simply to pull it again, "Woops! Eli is dead, and I'm the culprit! Hey Javier, cover up for me, thanks, I'm used to this kind of stuff :^)", which is just simply unbelievable regarding my Clem. Also Clem CAN stand up for herself, she doesn't have to play with fire though while doing that, and even my moral could do this, it's not about acting assertive and acting on impulse, it's about having a clear state of mind to get what you need without pulling a gun on someone in an act of coercion. Also we don't know she was "ripped off" necessarily, it appears there was three misfires in a row in total, yet, the rest of the cartridges probably worked functionally, either way the outcome is unrealistic because the odds are so low.
I definitely see where your coming from on all your points, except this one.
Eli got his punishment for sure, but Clem shouldn't have … morebeen the judge in that sense, at least my Clem.
I do not see Clem as the judge here. She never thought the gun would fire, she never actually intended to kill him. She was trying to get her point across, and it went incredibly pear shaped on her. She was acting out of character for a Clem who was raised to be moral. But she also does need to stand up for herself, in her mind she had been ripped off and taken advantage of. So she was being forceful, it was a stupid plan, but she had no malicious intent in that moment.
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Well, I believe regardless of being separated from the group, he would've been killed off sadly, and if Chuck did survive hypothetically to the end, then I think he may have been there with Omid and Christa walking off from afar as Clementine sees their silhouettes (much like Lee saw Clem's silhouette with a theme of "hope" in chapter 1, but that's a different motif subject for another day).
Your new profile picture, what the hell DabigRG, kek.
Yeah, I know, but the AtLA/LoK expressions make that.
And then maybe he'd be the one getting shot by accident instead of Omid!
I think Chuck would go with Clem to make sure she was safe and then Michelle would come in and he would use his Godly shovel powers to capture her.
Why were Mike and Jane in the pen at Howes?
Mike was originally gonna turn out to have been "Ralph" of the North Carolina Scavengers and he would've taken captive by Carver after having his group wiped out for his strength. In the game proper, he's just there.
Jane was spotted sneaking around the building covered in walker guts at some point presumably after the Cabin Group escaped, was possibly looking for food or something, and was taken captive ever since, with Troy being seduced into doing her favors on the side.
What did Jane do bybherself for days if you chose to wait and let Rebecca rest? Was she just watching the group?
Don't know what those stand for, but not going to research to discover.
Not going to lie, I didn't know you can actually let Rebecca rest (makes no difference I'm guessing) because if you choose to head at dawn then Rebecca says she'll go as long as there's a chance of food. I'm pretty sure Jane just was around I guess, but the plot doesn't go into that, and is more than likely just a brush over that the writers didn't pay much attention or care for due to it being rather trivial.
I seem to recall someone(probably you as well) asking this question a while back, but I don't mind repeats at all, so Mekka Lekka Hi Mekka Hiney Ho!:
After Jane left with her excuse, she went deep into the woods to a special area, probably even taking Sarah's body with her, and communed with Sheogorath/Nocturnal for a favor requiring his/her power. Of course, because Sarah wasn't crazy/dark enough for the deal, her soul was rejected and Jane lost much of her power as punishment. Wandering the area trying to figure out what to do with herself, she heard the gunshots, realized it was the Howe's Ski Cabin Group and the Russian Group getting into it, and revealed herself just in time to stab Vitali(should've been Buricko) in the back, appeal to Clementine(and Luke)'s far better natures, and secretly planned to get rid of Kenny if it comes to that.
Being perfectly frank, though, I don't have a clue. It's pretty obvious she wasn't supposed to come back originally and so all we learn on the matter was that she heard the gunshots, realized she done fucked the group over, and ran/walked over to see if she can fix it, [in]effectively shoehorning into the finale in a contrived manner and hijacking Luke's role as well.
Clementine missing arm
Can you even begin to imagine the red flags of Chuck insisting to go into the bathroom alone with Clem to "keep her safe"? Lol
True, but no one would likely care because it's Chuck.
Oh okay, but what does this have to do with your big boob'd Jane and Luke kissing profile picture, or at least what it appears to be.
Their expressions are reminiscent of the comedic ones from both of those shows, which is doubly humorous considering what a hardass Jane is.
I believe that she does, and also that she was not inclined to discuss the freshest self-deprecating corners of her mind with a kid.
She might've paid a visit to the town across the river.
She sneezed and turned back into Molly. Just like Launch in Dragonball.
You would think that, but she never did mention it (she probably would/it'd be told most likely if so), so I deducted that she just camped out for a while; survived.
Ah, all right.
Thanks Alvin :^).
Boy, I sure do love me some Apple Juice apple juice. Almost as much as I don't like Beer beer.
My god, what a clever response lol. While you certainly have a point I think he'd have watched the doors as they were in the restrooms
As a functioning alcoholic, I actually agree with this. Beer sucks, give me whisky or tequila.
Speaking of the apple juice. How many times can you drink that apple juice? Does it ever empty? One time I drank it like three times and just forgot about it, but the rest of the playthroughs I just take a sip and get to pouring hydrogen peroxide on Clem's laceration, subsequently suturing that laceration.
Goddamn, she gains 60 pounds, a whole foot, and short rotting hair because of a single sneeze?
4 if i remeber it right.
Launch, gained weight, turned blonde, and suddenly had an asortment of fully automatic weapons, doesn't seem too improbable to me
Did she? Because honestly, aside from hair and eye color and vocal inflection, she always looked exactly the same to me.
I think gun nut Launch was bigger, but i havent seen any DB is ages, I could be wrong here.
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I certainly understand your problems with season 3 Clem. If we start calling her Dark Clem, we wont be far off. The fact that Clem can only be this way now is a problem and a failure on Telltale's part.
To answer your question, yes I do like season 3 Clem, because this is who I was raising her to be, a hardened take no shit survivor. Now don't get me wrong, I think what I did to Clem to bring her up to this point is an absolute tragedy. Its not pretty, its not nice, but it is what it takes for a person to surrvive in this world Kirkman created. I take no pleasure in how fucked up I made her, but I did it so she could live. She has to walk in that world, not me. So I made her as hard as I could. Maybe its not so much that I like her now, she is not particularly likeable, but I do love her, she is my sweet pea. I rember who she was and understand who she has become.
As for her dress, i also don't have a problem with that, but I spend a lot of time around a teenage girl, I wish the worst of her dress was her bra strap showing. The Clem porn stuff is pretty far out there and very off putting but even if she was wearing a turtle neck, that stuff would still happen.
I thought you weren't going to respond, so I edited it to ".", looks like I was incorrect. Regardless:
Definitely, Clem is going down a bad path, and my Clementine was always moral, intelligent, wise on decisions (didn't go on impulse), and had hope in this world. Now we have some horrible two year time skip and she's gone full "We're all victims" and now has completely murdered someone, which I'm referring to Eli. Yes, Eli deserved what he got considering the circumstances, but not from Clem, it's just so out-of-character for my Clem to shoot someone and want you to cover up for her, just, what the fuck...
Eh, I don't think she needs to act like this, she survived fine being moral, and honestly, I didn't want Clem to be like yours because I thought season 1 Clem was something special; something truly unique for her, it made Clementine standing out with her morals compared to most other hardcore Jane-like survivors, and she gave me some personal morals too just from season 1 and season 2 (season 2 being my primarily moral play through, I did say "fuck Arvo" after he betrays my kindness though and supported Kenny beating on him).
I'd say if she kept her hoodie on, I'd be fine with it, but I do not want to see Clem's bra strap, and her shirt is a bit lower than I'd prefer, and for fucks sake she's 13 Telltale, not 15. They aged her pretty damn badly in my opinion, especially compared to season 2. Season 2 aged Clementine perfectly, I saw a complete resemblance and they improved the graphics without making her nose a lot skinnier, her skin tone off (season 2 was probably the most accurate depiction of Clem artistically), and in this season they even removed her adorable yellow-green eyes, just WHY, Telltale! The only reason I can recognize Clementine this season is because of her usual hat and other outfit accessories, other than that, it's really hard to tell with static Clementine (dark, immoral-based, impulsive, etc.) and Clementine whom's voice sounds older, and in in general doesn't look two years older than season 2 Clementine.
I'm only going to touch the "art" stuff once, but yeah, anyone who's into that stuff, I seriously wish they'd choke on blood, it pisses me off beyond belief, even the fucking Gabe and Clem garbage people somehow even like, and those people who indulge in that have no place in playing these games, even Clementine still thinks it's "gross". Thankfully I've never seen it on here though, even with the incursions from the person who every once in a while attempts to direct message everyone that stuff, hell, I even made an account to flood that out, but I've developed a technique on accident to always look upward when clicking on a notification and blurring the bottom to see if a picture is below or not, and I've never seen anything regarding this thankfully. I'd suggest doing the same, unless you're impervious to this stuff, but I'm simply not, I have an uncontrolled hysteria of hate for pedophiles, I don't know why, I just do. You can choose not to respond to this portion or not, I hate discussing it though since it mentally anguishes me just thinking about these assholes.
Sorry if that's a bit to digest, or pretty damn messy in terms of organization.
Sent you a pm about the long reply, it was my fault, i took my time with it. Then didnt hit "post"
For me, up until recently I took Telltale at their word and have always played this game with the intention of telling "My Story", the fact that my story is dark and tragic probably says something about me. But I came in with what I consider a good understanding of this world, and in this world their is no "basic human decency". I dont find it particualrly believable, I dont think the world would ever become this bad under any circumstances, I truly do believe that people are basically decent and when things get bad what's best in people comes out.
But this world is screwed up, so I have been arming Clem since the begining with the tools to surrvive it.
When Clem kills the bullet guy, I dont see it as a strait up murder, I saw it as an accident. One that Clem is completely at fault for but not premeditated. I think of it as Manslaughter.
I really do feel for folks like you who raised Clem to be a moral person, maybe it will work out and she will have an arc that brings her back to her moral beginings, The Hero's Journey always envolves a fall, a point where the hero betrays who they truely are and hits bottom. They have to hit bottom so they can learn and become a better hero than they were. That is the Monomyth, but I am losing faith in Telltales ability to to tell that tale.
As for the other for the other stuff, I don't care for it, but I love fan art, but diving into for Clem or Ellie has turned up some really ugly stuff. I can filter it out, but I dont care to see it either.
Yeah I also knew what comes out of this world, which is why I applauded Clementine's moral guidelines in order to more or less be that shining light people need; to be someone different in a world gone to shit.
I do this as well, except I take morals into the equation, but also do what needs to be done, even putting down a friend or close one if it comes to it (not Kenny, he's okay :^)). My Clem could be depicted as "moral, yet pragmatic" possibly, as I try to protect her while also looking out for others, being kind, not being an asshole to everyone, etc.
It was definitely murder and impulsive, my Clem would NEVER do such a thing, and it pisses me off that she even joined the New Frontier as well, just, god damn it. It's just dumb how she doesn't follow basic gun safety after Lee teaches her, and in season 2, she can teach Sarah, it's annoying, and out of character, I think we can both agree on this. Eli got his punishment for sure, but Clem shouldn't have been the judge in that sense, at least my Clem. I honestly believe they shouldn't made Clem the playable character this season and the rest, as they've shown they're incapable of adapting her to choices we've made individually.
Yeah, Telltale needs to shape up for sure, I just can't see Clem being a rather immoral person, but I respect those who made that choice regardless since it's in the game and in season 2, you have to have a lot of choices, it's inevitable to not have darker choices/moral/balanced, etc. Probably the darkest thing my Clem has done is watching Kenny kill Carver with a crowbar, but I detested him, what he put me through unjustly, how I wasn't supposed to be in that forced labor camp in the first place, etc.
I definitely see where your coming from on all your points, except this one.
I do not see Clem as the judge here. She never thought the gun would fire, she never actually intended to kill him. She was trying to get her point across, and it went incredibly pear shaped on her. She was acting out of character for a Clem who was raised to be moral. But she also does need to stand up for herself, in her mind she had been ripped off and taken advantage of. So she was being forceful, it was a stupid plan, but she had no malicious intent in that moment.
Well if we're being honest, it's still horrible, careless, and impulsive behavior that was dying to go wrong, and my Clementine would handle things differently. Clem handled that just, well, terribly...there was no need for her to pull the trigger in hopes it would misfire on him TWICE in a row, and to contradict your point that " She was trying to get her point across", let me tell you, Eli was SHIT SCARED after the first one, all she had to do after that was verbally communicate, but Clementine's way of dealing was simply to pull it again, "Woops! Eli is dead, and I'm the culprit! Hey Javier, cover up for me, thanks, I'm used to this kind of stuff :^)", which is just simply unbelievable regarding my Clem. Also Clem CAN stand up for herself, she doesn't have to play with fire though while doing that, and even my moral could do this, it's not about acting assertive and acting on impulse, it's about having a clear state of mind to get what you need without pulling a gun on someone in an act of coercion. Also we don't know she was "ripped off" necessarily, it appears there was three misfires in a row in total, yet, the rest of the cartridges probably worked functionally, either way the outcome is unrealistic because the odds are so low.