Really... I seem to recall you spreading a lie... what was it? Oh yeah that I was hurling obscenities and insults at everyone who disagreed with me, when I very clearly didn't. I questioned Telltale & then everybody got butthurt over it & attacked me. So you need to get your facts straight. It is plain for anybody to see who started this shit.
You told someone to get a life after they said to Get a job.
They didn't know you had one.
Either way, I think honestly it was started from his post where he stated the system wasn't flawed.
4. I was met with some idiot saying something about a Ferrari being $1 that had absolutely nothing to do with anything (I mean really... it had NO F****** POINT). Funny part is that he was using it as an example of how I (emphasis on the I) am a complete moron.
He was saying if the customers always right, then you should be able to get a Ferrari for $1.
The arguing is extremly annoying from a perfectly valid question.
The individual episodes attracted me to be able to buy SBCG4AP on PC as I didn't want to buy on the Wii for the 2nd episode.
He was saying if the customers always right, then you should be able to get a Ferrari for $1.
You are missing the point entirely. I was saying that since they are going to release it anyways & there are people who want the episode now but can't afford to buy the entire season, they should just release them simultainiously. I am just saying how it isn't a fair system so that maybe they will take my suggestions & complaints to heart. Without the customer you have nothing.... it's kinda like them having my money firmly in there hands & then just throwing it into the fire.
Oh come on. You make it sound like you are the only customer in the universe. If you don't like it, don't buy it. It you like it, get some freaking cash! You are not buying a kidney here.
Plus, TMI is a single game, Telltale desided to sell it together. Why? So you'd play it all. If you just look at TMI as a single product instead of stand-alone episodes, their decision makes sence. Its like if someone doesn't have the cash to watch a movie, so he whines about going in for 1/5 of the price and only watching for 15 minutes.
I am just saying how it isn't a fair system so that maybe they will take my suggestions & complaints to heart. Without the customer you have nothing.... it's kinda like them having my money firmly in there hands & then just throwing it into the fire.
What you're failing to see is that to buy 5 episodes rather than the whole season is a luxury option. TT have to pay a fee each time someone makes a purchase as well as having to deal with the purchase on their system. It's not much effort per purchase but added up it makes a difference. By selling a whole season they reduce this workload by a factor of 5.
They aren't saying they won't let you have the option of separate purchase, but they are giving priority to the people who want to use the simple (for TT) option. If you want the luxury of separate purchase then you have to wait. It is a fair system.
I do respect your desire to purchase separately though, and I think what some of the others have failed to see is that (and I think I'm right in saying) you're not spending your last $9, but merely the last of your entertainment budget. So it is completely unfair to suggest you should be spending this elsewhere as (and again I hope I'm right in saying) I'm sure you have used the rest of your budget to cover other, more important, things.
Oh come on. You make it sound like you are the only customer in the universe.
No.... you people who bought the full Season are making it sound like you are the only customers in the universe. You think that because you are covered its to hell with everybody else. I can't afford the whole season & I'm sure that I am not the only one.
TMI is a single game, Telltale desided to sell it together. Why? So you'd play it all. If you just look at TMI as a single product instead of stand-alone episodes, their decision makes sence. Its like if someone doesn't have the cash to watch a movie, so he whines about going in for 1/5 of the price and only watching for 15 minutes.
IT IS AN EPISODIC GAME!!!!! Am I the only one on here who knows what that means?
What you are saying is absolutely stupid. Think about it for a minute. Each game is a stand alone title (just as every other Telltale game is) with a single installment of the overall season being released every month. It is not like those of you who bought the entire season upfront ACTUALLY GOT the entire season upfront, so I really find this arguement lacking.
IT IS AN EPISODIC GAME!!!!! Am I the only one on here who knows what that means?
What you are saying is absolutely stupid. Think about it for a minute. Each game is a stand alone title (just as every other Telltale game is) with a single installment of the overall season being released every month. It is not like those of you who bought the entire season upfront ACTUALLY GOT the entire season upfront, so I really find this arguement lacking.
I think somebody above already posted a quote from Jake saying that the single episode purchase option will be turned on possibly between episodes 1 and 2 - so that probably means any day now. You don't have to wait much longer if you want to buy just the first episode. Sure, it would have been nice for you from the start, but at least they will be offering the option from now on.
I see it as a compromise, as a lot of new people on here are not familiar with Telltale or episodic gaming or even purchasing online games with no physical disc for that matter... a lot of people I've seen on here are old skool Monkey Island fans who are just following the tide. If Telltale wants to ease that by offering them a traditional purchase option (entire game at once) instead of confusing those particular people psychologically as someone above stated, then it's not that big a deal.
If they were never going to offer individual pricing, then I'd think it would be time to complain. Telltale can't please everyone either way - but I think their current approach is balanced.
As for episodic anything, I'd say that episodic nature doesn't necessarily mean episodic payment. For a TV series for example, the DVD releases usually come with four episodes on a disc. It would be like walking into a store and complaining that I couldn't just buy one episode and I was forced to buy the whole disc with four episodes on it.
Now, to be fair, online distribution enables you to do that, like buying TV shows on iTunes, but companies aren't obliged to do that if they aren't so inclined. Are they?
I think somebody above already posted a quote from Jake saying that the single episode purchase option will be turned on possibly between episodes 1 and 2 - so that probably means any day now.
I'm pretty sure all he said was that is what happened with W&G.
EDIT - He followed it up the statement about individual episodes with this
Whoa, word-in-mouth disease! I said that's what we did with Wallace & Gromit. I don't know what folks plans are for Monkey. I don't do much web store work these days! Too busy working on the games...
First of all, Commissioner, I think you're the person on the other side of the coin that has best displayed their opinions and been the most civil. I definitely appreciate that.
I think somebody above already posted a quote from Jake saying that the single episode purchase option will be turned on possibly between episodes 1 and 2 - so that probably means any day now. You don't have to wait much longer if you want to buy just the first episode. Sure, it would have been nice for you from the start, but at least they will be offering the option from now on.
I think there are a few issues with the idea that "They said they'll do it, so you should shut up" logic, though.
1. They haven't really made this clear in the shop. In fact, they don't make much of ANYTHING clear. A new customer can easily just think it's the Season Pass or nothing, and so they cheat early customers out of options.
2. The option was there before. These people didn't HAVE to wait before, why now? Telltale is BIGGER, they should be MORE capable of bringing their customers a variety of purchase options. Why remove it?
3. If nobody complains about the option being gone now, what's to keep Telltale from deciding that nobody cares and taking the option away completely in the future?
I see it as a compromise, as a lot of new people on here are not familiar with Telltale or episodic gaming or even purchasing online games with no physical disc for that matter... a lot of people I've seen on here are old skool Monkey Island fans who are just following the tide. If Telltale wants to ease that by offering them a traditional purchase option (entire game at once) instead of confusing those particular people psychologically as someone above stated, then it's not that big a deal.
I don't know about that, personally. If you take away the new customer's options, maybe you're not dealing with their confusion in the best possible way. Sam and Max's Episode 4 was my first episodic game, and when I heard of episodic gaming I kind of expected them to be sold separately. The Season Pass was the luxury, amazing new option, NOT buying them all on their own!
And I can't help but think that they have just TRANSPLANTED the confusion rather than removed it. So a person buys a whole game with a promise of a disc and five parts. Where are they? Where is the disc? I actually have seen these questions asked numerous times. In this case, Telltale chooses to have them be confused AFTER spending money rather than BEFORE spending money.
If they were never going to offer individual pricing, then I'd think it would be time to complain. Telltale can't please everyone either way - but I think their current approach is balanced.
I think that Telltale should know that people care about individual pricing, and that it's not something that should be taken out. With Wallace and Gromit, I'm pretty sure we just got the Season Pass option without any indication that we'd get individual episodes. Some people complained, and I'm not sure if they caused it but Telltale eventually put out individual episodes. I think that if people don't say anything until a situation is at its most dire, they're giving up stuff that they don't have to.
As for episodic anything, I'd say that episodic nature doesn't necessarily mean episodic payment. For a TV series for example, the DVD releases usually come with four episodes on a disc. It would be like walking into a store and complaining that I couldn't just buy one episode and I was forced to buy the whole disc with four episodes on it.
I think your logic is at least slightly flawed here. For example, for TV shows this is the normal distribution method. Telltale's Season Pass is like the first show to do Season Sets. Individual episodes are somewhat more analogous to the 4-episode discs in this analogy simply because THAT is what everyone else selling TV shows is doing(though the market is leaning more toward season sets lately and eschewing singles).
Er, anyway. To actually make sense, they're going for a model that doesn't have a smaller chunks over time purchasing model. Most shows have box sets and singles or iTunes episode downloads. Telltale right now only has the Season Box Set.
And anyway this analogy is kind of hard to deal with because we're dealing with TV and Video Games, two INCREDIBLY different mediums. And episodic gaming as a whole is even newer as a medium than video games are.
Now, to be fair, online distribution enables you to do that, like buying TV shows on iTunes, but companies aren't obliged to do that if they aren't so inclined. Are they?
They aren't obligated, no. But if there is significant enough demand and enough people see it as an issue, Telltale could see it as something to think about. They don't HAVE to, by any means, do something just because enough people complain. But they can consider that, if they're making those people unhappy as consumers identifying the Telltale brand, is it really worth the benefit THEY get from offering only the Season Pass?
I can't really think of anything better to compare the whole situation to except maybe a magazine subscription. There, you wait for a new issue every month. The next issue hasn't been made yet and you don't know what's going to be in it. You can buy the magazine individually each month as it comes out or you can buy a year's subscription.
I guess that's a better analogy. Except that magazines haven't taken away the option to buy invididual issues.
I'm all for Telltale offering single pricing, because it means I can use the free episode coupon I got for pre-ordering ToMI on a single episode of another series. I haven't used it yet because I'm waiting to see if I can get Sam & Max Season 3 episode one, but I guess if Telltale doesn't offer the individual price option when that comes out I won't be able to.
They should probably bring the option back, but I'm just trying to see both sides and offer another perspective :-)
I don't have to be a Telltale 'fanboy' (and in fact I have in the past been quite a critic) in order to see that Telltale are doing what is best for them while annoying as few people as possible.
I also don't have to have poll data to be reasonably confident that the vast majority of people who want to get this game can afford to put down $35 for it. I'm sorry that you can't, but in the overwhelming number of cases, people can.
It's not exactly a fortune - and I know that doesn't help you out when you can't afford it - but when any business decision like this is made, Telltale have to make calculations: will the vast majority of people be able to afford this, be willing to pay this, not be offended by this, etc? They also have to consider alternate pricing options and how they would affect things. In the end they came to the conclusion that it would be best to sell the whole series for $35 at first, opening up the individual episodes a little later. You were one of the people who got left behind by that decision, which is a shame, but they are coming back to pick you up soon, so it's not a total loss.
Put it this way: imagine you're a big Monkey Island fan but only had a PS3 and no PC capable of running the game. If that were true then you'd have limited prospects of playing the game at all, without shelling out a lot of money. That would -really- suck for you, but would Telltale be in the wrong for not releasing it on PS3? No, they just had to make a calculated decision about how best to release their game, one that worked out badly for you.
Your efforts to downplay this issue are rather amusing. There is simply no reason why Telltale shouldnt put up the Episodes for individual purchase in the first place, especially because they did so in the past. The price itself is irrelevant. The game being one big game, instead several cases like in Sam&Max is irrelevant too, as many people would buy the episodes/chapters as they arrive.
I love it how devs are constantly whining about piracy and yet still give software pirates another apology to pirate their games.
do you really think that I am the only one who feels this way? Well I for one know that I'm not. I'm just the only one on this damn forum who has the balls to question there judgement over this.
All I could picture was you standing up in a crowd with your fist in the air yelling: "There are dozens of us! Dozens!!"
If I'm downplaying this issue it's because it's very, very likely not a big issue.
I admit I'm pulling the following figures out of my arse but let's be generous and say that 90% of customers are unaffected by this change (I reckon it'd be closer to 95, but in any case telltale has previously stated that the whole season package is the overwhelmingly popular option). The remaining 10% would be affected, but only temporarily.
If they have judged that making this change is over all good for them but would temporarily affect 10% of customers then that still seems like a pretty small deal to me. Hardly an issue at all. Sure, if I was one of the ones affected then I'd be annoyed, but I would at least try to understand their reasons, which they OBVIOUSLY have otherwise they wouldn't be doing it!
Can you please stop calling us Telltale fanboys followed by swearing / telling us to get lives / telling us your life story etc?
It's not very nice.
I agree. I understand your frustration, and that some people were flat out rude to you in the beginning, but lashing out upon people on a forum isn't going to solve any issue.
It's simple, if you don't have money right now, don't buy it. They won't let you download a single episode only because YOU (with no politeness AT ALL) asked them to.
Can you please stop calling us Telltale fanboys followed by swearing / telling us to get lives / telling us your life story etc?
It's not very nice.
You get what you give. If people would stop talking down to me on here, then I would do the exact same thing. As for the "life story" remark..... when someone talks shit about how I take care of my family, then I'm going to say something about it (might I add that this was one of the maybe three instances I actually did swear). Speaking of the guy I told to get a life... he was trying being a smartass, so I told him what he needed to do.... get a life. I'm getting tired of this though. The bunch of you are being selfish minded (of course the bunch of you will probably turn it into how I am being selfish minded.... but whatever). If you don't understand my point of view.... then there is nothing I can do to change that. So you can sit here & claim how nothing is wrong for the rest of your lives as far as I'm concerned, but deep down you know it is... you'll see when the time comes... you won't have the money for the full season of say... Sam & Max 3, but enough for a single episode. They will pull this same crap & you too my detractors will be complaining in the same manner that I am. If people don't fight things, they never change & you will see that one day.
You get what you give. If people would stop talking down to me on here, then I would do the exact same thing. As for the "life story" remark..... when someone talks shit about how I take care of my family, then I'm going to say something about it (might I add that this was one of the maybe three instances I actually did swear). Speaking of the guy I told to get a life... he was trying being a smartass, so I told him what he needed to do.... get a life. I'm getting tired of this though. The bunch of you are being selfish minded (of course the bunch of you will probably turn it into how I am being selfish minded.... but whatever). If you don't understand my point of view.... then there is nothing I can do to change that. So you can sit here & claim how nothing is wrong for the rest of your lives as far as I'm concerned, but deep down you know it is... you'll see when the time comes... you won't have the money for the full season of say... Sam & Max 3, but enough for a single episode. They will pull this same crap & you too my detractors will be complaining in the same manner that I am. If people don't fight things, they never change & you will see that one day.
No I don't. I don't think there is anything wrong. Completely genuinely. I think that it's a shame that some people might not be able to get the game right away, but they are in the huge minority, and they will soon be catered for, so it's no biggie. And yes, I'd hate it if I was in the same situation, but I'd also suck it up and wait for the release because even when I've disagreed with TTG in the past, I've never known them to do things without reason.
So don't tell me I know deep down that it's wrong when I don't think that at all. I think some people have said some overly harsh things (although, seriously, get over the guy saying to buy your kid an ice cream, he wasn't lecturing you on parenting, he was just making an off hand comment) and I want to defend your point of view as I understand how it could be frustrating but at this point you're starting to sound less like someone with a valid point to make and more like a hard-done-by complainer with a chip on his shoulder.
I'm just the only one on this **** forum who has the ***** to question there judgement over this. The rest of you are just blinded by the fact that they are actually making old school adventure games... In your mind you think if you question them then they will stop making them...
If you think I am *****ing over nothing
This **** thing started as me asking how to do something
Every single person on here is apparently against the freedom of choice & wants to be controlled by a gaming company so much that they are talking **** about how I take care of my family. Pardon me, but that is just ****ing pathetic.
I was met with some idiot saying something it had NO F****** POINT
...an example of how I (emphasis on the I) am a complete moron.
Because I still wasn't ****ED yet.
(Which is a good way to get your *** beat in bar)
Gotta love the Telltale fanboys.
See this guy's post? This is a perfect example of what I was talking about in my last post. Study it. Seriously, do not be like this man.
You think that because you are covered its to **** with everybody else.
Am I the only one on here who knows what that means?
What you are saying is absolutely stupid.
Really... I seem to recall you spreading a lie... what was it? Oh yeah that I was hurling obscenities and insults at everyone who disagreed with me, when I very clearly didn't.
[sarcasm]Oh yeah, you were definitely never using ANY obscenities nor were you insulting anyone at ANY point, you're totally right. [/sarcasm]
[sarcasm]Oh yeah, you were definitely never using ANY obscenities nor were you insulting anyone at ANY point, you're totally right. [/sarcasm]
Obscenities are words like f***, d**k, p***y & g******. Half of the shit that you censored out was clean... I mean you censored out balls for christsake.
If you call those insults you must have VERY thin skin. You want real insults? How about you the get the f*** off of Telltales' d*** for five f****** seconds & stop being such a G****** F****** predictible as hell, forum crawling worm of a kiss ass Telltale can do no wrong mark. I was out of this shit... I left it for good in my last post, but complete & total mental deficients like you won't let the shit die. Lets face D*** breath, who is it that is keeping this going? Who is it that started calling names & started talking shit in the first place? It was you people! I came on here asking a simple question and you g****** idiots turned it into a battleground because I questioned your precious video game company by saying that there release policy isn't the greatest in the world. If you are going to go around quoting everything, why don't you quote what the people said to ME to get that sort of response? I'll tell you why... because you want to make me out to be the bad guy who is picking on poor Telltale & there fans. See, I actually like Telltale's games, but that doesn't mean that I have to like the geeks who play them (This does not apply to all of you, just the people who are being assholes on here. Those who disagree but are being respectful do not apply... This would be you The Commissioner & SurplusGamer *To some extent*). Now why don't you put THAT up in your little list.
"Speak when you are angry--and you will make the best speech you'll ever regret."
Whatever your opinion, civility is paramount. If you are making an angry or snarky post on the internet, not ONLY are you not getting anything across, you're also making yourself look terrible. For many people this doesn't matter, but I'd like to think that human decency and respect can be conveyed even through the veil of internet anonymity. Perhaps I am wrong, and I don't have to look far for contrary examples, but wouldn't it be great if we could all play nice?
Because I'm noticing some attitudes that aren't conducive to discussion. I'm seeing a lot of posting to either "get back at" someone, or doing their best to be as obnoxious as possible when it comes to attempting to prove somebody wrong. It's simply not acceptable or admirable human behavior.
"Speak when you are angry--and you will make the best speech you'll ever regret."
Whatever your opinion, civility is paramount. If you are making an angry or snarky post on the internet, not ONLY are you not getting anything across, you're also making yourself look terrible. For many people this doesn't matter, but I'd like to think that human decency and respect can be conveyed even through the veil of internet anonymity. Perhaps I am wrong, and I don't have to look far for contrary examples, but wouldn't it be great if we could all play nice?
Because I'm noticing some attitudes that aren't conducive to discussion. I'm seeing a lot of posting to either "get back at" someone, or doing their best to be as obnoxious as possible when it comes to attempting to prove somebody wrong. It's simply not acceptable or admirable human behavior.
You do make a valid point.... Its just when someone starts talking crap about me, it is kinda hard to let it slide y'know. I'm the one who started this thread, so I should be able to close it too right? How do I do that?
Yep. We'll have something to say about Monkey episodes soon. Sorry for the frustration, but I feel like some folks are getting way too bent out of shape about this. On the one hand, it's not fun to feel ganged up on and this rarely leads to any productive discussion, but on the other hand, it's no excuse for the kind of lashing out that was demonstrated here.
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They didn't know you had one.
Either way, I think honestly it was started from his post where he stated the system wasn't flawed.
He was saying if the customers always right, then you should be able to get a Ferrari for $1.
The arguing is extremly annoying from a perfectly valid question.
The individual episodes attracted me to be able to buy SBCG4AP on PC as I didn't want to buy on the Wii for the 2nd episode.
He was being a smart ass... it was the same guy who posted the no Monkey Island for you post. He was just trying to be cute.
You are missing the point entirely. I was saying that since they are going to release it anyways & there are people who want the episode now but can't afford to buy the entire season, they should just release them simultainiously. I am just saying how it isn't a fair system so that maybe they will take my suggestions & complaints to heart. Without the customer you have nothing.... it's kinda like them having my money firmly in there hands & then just throwing it into the fire.
Plus, TMI is a single game, Telltale desided to sell it together. Why? So you'd play it all. If you just look at TMI as a single product instead of stand-alone episodes, their decision makes sence. Its like if someone doesn't have the cash to watch a movie, so he whines about going in for 1/5 of the price and only watching for 15 minutes.
What you're failing to see is that to buy 5 episodes rather than the whole season is a luxury option. TT have to pay a fee each time someone makes a purchase as well as having to deal with the purchase on their system. It's not much effort per purchase but added up it makes a difference. By selling a whole season they reduce this workload by a factor of 5.
They aren't saying they won't let you have the option of separate purchase, but they are giving priority to the people who want to use the simple (for TT) option. If you want the luxury of separate purchase then you have to wait. It is a fair system.
I do respect your desire to purchase separately though, and I think what some of the others have failed to see is that (and I think I'm right in saying) you're not spending your last $9, but merely the last of your entertainment budget. So it is completely unfair to suggest you should be spending this elsewhere as (and again I hope I'm right in saying) I'm sure you have used the rest of your budget to cover other, more important, things.
No.... you people who bought the full Season are making it sound like you are the only customers in the universe. You think that because you are covered its to hell with everybody else. I can't afford the whole season & I'm sure that I am not the only one.
IT IS AN EPISODIC GAME!!!!! Am I the only one on here who knows what that means?
What you are saying is absolutely stupid. Think about it for a minute. Each game is a stand alone title (just as every other Telltale game is) with a single installment of the overall season being released every month. It is not like those of you who bought the entire season upfront ACTUALLY GOT the entire season upfront, so I really find this arguement lacking.
I think somebody above already posted a quote from Jake saying that the single episode purchase option will be turned on possibly between episodes 1 and 2 - so that probably means any day now. You don't have to wait much longer if you want to buy just the first episode. Sure, it would have been nice for you from the start, but at least they will be offering the option from now on.
I see it as a compromise, as a lot of new people on here are not familiar with Telltale or episodic gaming or even purchasing online games with no physical disc for that matter... a lot of people I've seen on here are old skool Monkey Island fans who are just following the tide. If Telltale wants to ease that by offering them a traditional purchase option (entire game at once) instead of confusing those particular people psychologically as someone above stated, then it's not that big a deal.
If they were never going to offer individual pricing, then I'd think it would be time to complain. Telltale can't please everyone either way - but I think their current approach is balanced.
As for episodic anything, I'd say that episodic nature doesn't necessarily mean episodic payment. For a TV series for example, the DVD releases usually come with four episodes on a disc. It would be like walking into a store and complaining that I couldn't just buy one episode and I was forced to buy the whole disc with four episodes on it.
Now, to be fair, online distribution enables you to do that, like buying TV shows on iTunes, but companies aren't obliged to do that if they aren't so inclined. Are they?
Seems fair enough to me.
Not rocket-science.
I'm pretty sure all he said was that is what happened with W&G.
EDIT - He followed it up the statement about individual episodes with this
I think there are a few issues with the idea that "They said they'll do it, so you should shut up" logic, though.
1. They haven't really made this clear in the shop. In fact, they don't make much of ANYTHING clear. A new customer can easily just think it's the Season Pass or nothing, and so they cheat early customers out of options.
2. The option was there before. These people didn't HAVE to wait before, why now? Telltale is BIGGER, they should be MORE capable of bringing their customers a variety of purchase options. Why remove it?
3. If nobody complains about the option being gone now, what's to keep Telltale from deciding that nobody cares and taking the option away completely in the future?
I don't know about that, personally. If you take away the new customer's options, maybe you're not dealing with their confusion in the best possible way. Sam and Max's Episode 4 was my first episodic game, and when I heard of episodic gaming I kind of expected them to be sold separately. The Season Pass was the luxury, amazing new option, NOT buying them all on their own!
And I can't help but think that they have just TRANSPLANTED the confusion rather than removed it. So a person buys a whole game with a promise of a disc and five parts. Where are they? Where is the disc? I actually have seen these questions asked numerous times. In this case, Telltale chooses to have them be confused AFTER spending money rather than BEFORE spending money.
I think that Telltale should know that people care about individual pricing, and that it's not something that should be taken out. With Wallace and Gromit, I'm pretty sure we just got the Season Pass option without any indication that we'd get individual episodes. Some people complained, and I'm not sure if they caused it but Telltale eventually put out individual episodes. I think that if people don't say anything until a situation is at its most dire, they're giving up stuff that they don't have to.
I think your logic is at least slightly flawed here. For example, for TV shows this is the normal distribution method. Telltale's Season Pass is like the first show to do Season Sets. Individual episodes are somewhat more analogous to the 4-episode discs in this analogy simply because THAT is what everyone else selling TV shows is doing(though the market is leaning more toward season sets lately and eschewing singles).
Er, anyway. To actually make sense, they're going for a model that doesn't have a smaller chunks over time purchasing model. Most shows have box sets and singles or iTunes episode downloads. Telltale right now only has the Season Box Set.
And anyway this analogy is kind of hard to deal with because we're dealing with TV and Video Games, two INCREDIBLY different mediums. And episodic gaming as a whole is even newer as a medium than video games are.
They aren't obligated, no. But if there is significant enough demand and enough people see it as an issue, Telltale could see it as something to think about. They don't HAVE to, by any means, do something just because enough people complain. But they can consider that, if they're making those people unhappy as consumers identifying the Telltale brand, is it really worth the benefit THEY get from offering only the Season Pass?
I can't really think of anything better to compare the whole situation to except maybe a magazine subscription. There, you wait for a new issue every month. The next issue hasn't been made yet and you don't know what's going to be in it. You can buy the magazine individually each month as it comes out or you can buy a year's subscription.
I guess that's a better analogy. Except that magazines haven't taken away the option to buy invididual issues.
I'm all for Telltale offering single pricing, because it means I can use the free episode coupon I got for pre-ordering ToMI on a single episode of another series. I haven't used it yet because I'm waiting to see if I can get Sam & Max Season 3 episode one, but I guess if Telltale doesn't offer the individual price option when that comes out I won't be able to.
They should probably bring the option back, but I'm just trying to see both sides and offer another perspective :-)
Because your American?
I also don't have to have poll data to be reasonably confident that the vast majority of people who want to get this game can afford to put down $35 for it. I'm sorry that you can't, but in the overwhelming number of cases, people can.
It's not exactly a fortune - and I know that doesn't help you out when you can't afford it - but when any business decision like this is made, Telltale have to make calculations: will the vast majority of people be able to afford this, be willing to pay this, not be offended by this, etc? They also have to consider alternate pricing options and how they would affect things. In the end they came to the conclusion that it would be best to sell the whole series for $35 at first, opening up the individual episodes a little later. You were one of the people who got left behind by that decision, which is a shame, but they are coming back to pick you up soon, so it's not a total loss.
Put it this way: imagine you're a big Monkey Island fan but only had a PS3 and no PC capable of running the game. If that were true then you'd have limited prospects of playing the game at all, without shelling out a lot of money. That would -really- suck for you, but would Telltale be in the wrong for not releasing it on PS3? No, they just had to make a calculated decision about how best to release their game, one that worked out badly for you.
I love it how devs are constantly whining about piracy and yet still give software pirates another apology to pirate their games.
It's not very nice.
All I could picture was you standing up in a crowd with your fist in the air yelling: "There are dozens of us! Dozens!!"
I hope some people get this reference.
I admit I'm pulling the following figures out of my arse but let's be generous and say that 90% of customers are unaffected by this change (I reckon it'd be closer to 95, but in any case telltale has previously stated that the whole season package is the overwhelmingly popular option). The remaining 10% would be affected, but only temporarily.
If they have judged that making this change is over all good for them but would temporarily affect 10% of customers then that still seems like a pretty small deal to me. Hardly an issue at all. Sure, if I was one of the ones affected then I'd be annoyed, but I would at least try to understand their reasons, which they OBVIOUSLY have otherwise they wouldn't be doing it!
I agree. I understand your frustration, and that some people were flat out rude to you in the beginning, but lashing out upon people on a forum isn't going to solve any issue.
So quit whining already.
You get what you give. If people would stop talking down to me on here, then I would do the exact same thing. As for the "life story" remark..... when someone talks shit about how I take care of my family, then I'm going to say something about it (might I add that this was one of the maybe three instances I actually did swear). Speaking of the guy I told to get a life... he was trying being a smartass, so I told him what he needed to do.... get a life. I'm getting tired of this though. The bunch of you are being selfish minded (of course the bunch of you will probably turn it into how I am being selfish minded.... but whatever). If you don't understand my point of view.... then there is nothing I can do to change that. So you can sit here & claim how nothing is wrong for the rest of your lives as far as I'm concerned, but deep down you know it is... you'll see when the time comes... you won't have the money for the full season of say... Sam & Max 3, but enough for a single episode. They will pull this same crap & you too my detractors will be complaining in the same manner that I am. If people don't fight things, they never change & you will see that one day.
I was wondering if you can contact Telltale directly? If so you could contact them about this issue.
No I don't. I don't think there is anything wrong. Completely genuinely. I think that it's a shame that some people might not be able to get the game right away, but they are in the huge minority, and they will soon be catered for, so it's no biggie. And yes, I'd hate it if I was in the same situation, but I'd also suck it up and wait for the release because even when I've disagreed with TTG in the past, I've never known them to do things without reason.
So don't tell me I know deep down that it's wrong when I don't think that at all. I think some people have said some overly harsh things (although, seriously, get over the guy saying to buy your kid an ice cream, he wasn't lecturing you on parenting, he was just making an off hand comment) and I want to defend your point of view as I understand how it could be frustrating but at this point you're starting to sound less like someone with a valid point to make and more like a hard-done-by complainer with a chip on his shoulder.
You're the one who's been stirring the argument from the start.
Agreed.
[sarcasm]Oh yeah, you were definitely never using ANY obscenities nor were you insulting anyone at ANY point, you're totally right. [/sarcasm]
Obscenities are words like f***, d**k, p***y & g******. Half of the shit that you censored out was clean... I mean you censored out balls for christsake.
If you call those insults you must have VERY thin skin. You want real insults? How about you the get the f*** off of Telltales' d*** for five f****** seconds & stop being such a G****** F****** predictible as hell, forum crawling worm of a kiss ass Telltale can do no wrong mark. I was out of this shit... I left it for good in my last post, but complete & total mental deficients like you won't let the shit die. Lets face D*** breath, who is it that is keeping this going? Who is it that started calling names & started talking shit in the first place? It was you people! I came on here asking a simple question and you g****** idiots turned it into a battleground because I questioned your precious video game company by saying that there release policy isn't the greatest in the world. If you are going to go around quoting everything, why don't you quote what the people said to ME to get that sort of response? I'll tell you why... because you want to make me out to be the bad guy who is picking on poor Telltale & there fans. See, I actually like Telltale's games, but that doesn't mean that I have to like the geeks who play them (This does not apply to all of you, just the people who are being assholes on here. Those who disagree but are being respectful do not apply... This would be you The Commissioner & SurplusGamer *To some extent*). Now why don't you put THAT up in your little list.
Whatever your opinion, civility is paramount. If you are making an angry or snarky post on the internet, not ONLY are you not getting anything across, you're also making yourself look terrible. For many people this doesn't matter, but I'd like to think that human decency and respect can be conveyed even through the veil of internet anonymity. Perhaps I am wrong, and I don't have to look far for contrary examples, but wouldn't it be great if we could all play nice?
Because I'm noticing some attitudes that aren't conducive to discussion. I'm seeing a lot of posting to either "get back at" someone, or doing their best to be as obnoxious as possible when it comes to attempting to prove somebody wrong. It's simply not acceptable or admirable human behavior.
You do make a valid point.... Its just when someone starts talking crap about me, it is kinda hard to let it slide y'know. I'm the one who started this thread, so I should be able to close it too right? How do I do that?
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