similarities between tales and POTC

has anyone else noticed this..
i loved the first pirates of the Caribbean movie but the two following were just stupid and by the end i could barely believe this was in the same trilogy as the first. There were only a hand full of funny parts in the last two movies put together and the plot got dumber and dumber until i just couldn't finish the third movie.I fear the tales of monkey island may being going down this path. I liked the first chapter and the second was alright but the plot was a little weird. And after seeing the cliff hanger at the end of chapter 2 i think its heading down the path to complete crap.

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  • edited August 2009
    britt12334 wrote: »
    has anyone else noticed this..
    i loved the first pirates of the Caribbean movie but the two following were just stupid and by the end i could barely believe this was in the same trilogy as the first. There were only a hand full of funny parts in the last two movies put together and the plot got dumber and dumber until i just couldn't finish the third movie.I fear the tales of monkey island may being going down this path. I liked the first chapter and the second was alright but the plot was a little weird. And after seeing the cliff hanger at the end of chapter 2 i think its heading down the path to complete crap.

    Only if Guybrush fails to escape the Manatee and is digested ;)
  • edited August 2009
    If you are complaining about
    merpeople
    and
    giant manatees
    , then I don't agree. Monkey Island always included mystical or fantastic stuff, so it's nothing new. And at least the humour is much better in Tales anyway.

    I understand that we are all big fans of MI, but I get tired of all the TOMI bashing because of small details or not being like MI or MI2. Let's enjoy it for what it is. After 9 years of no MI, I'm glad they are giving us new adventures of Guybrush Threepwood.

    And TOMI Episode 2 is much better than 1 IMO, so we can only expect TT to keep surpassing themselves as usual.
  • edited August 2009
    britt12334 wrote: »
    has anyone else noticed this..
    i loved the first pirates of the Caribbean movie but the two following were just stupid and by the end i could barely believe this was in the same trilogy as the first. There were only a hand full of funny parts in the last two movies put together and the plot got dumber and dumber until i just couldn't finish the third movie.I fear the tales of monkey island may being going down this path. I liked the first chapter and the second was alright but the plot was a little weird. And after seeing the cliff hanger at the end of chapter 2 i think its heading down the path to complete crap.

    No, because the humor in the game is hilarious and actually relevant to the plot, unlike the movies where the humor had nothing to do with the story most of the time. I love the introduction of mer people and other sea creatures, it's new and it makes sense for it to be there. They live in the Caribbean and there are myths of such things and Monkey Island is known to take myths and make them reality in the games (undead pirates, voodoo, ghosts, sea monsters, ect.). Everything in the game has been explained very well and nothing has been put in randomly and every event, character, and object has a purpose in the story, which is very well done and has no plot holes.
  • edited August 2009
    britt12334 wrote: »
    has anyone else noticed this..
    i loved the first pirates of the Caribbean movie but the two following were just stupid and by the end i could barely believe this was in the same trilogy as the first. There were only a hand full of funny parts in the last two movies put together and the plot got dumber and dumber until i just couldn't finish the third movie.I fear the tales of monkey island may being going down this path. I liked the first chapter and the second was alright but the plot was a little weird. And after seeing the cliff hanger at the end of chapter 2 i think its heading down the path to complete crap.

    Monkey Island plots were always weird. I suggest replaying MI2, that one actually redefined the word "weird". When plotlines become depressingly normal - like the beloved "chase off the tourists" story from MI4 - your alarmbells should go off.

    Also, PoTC - and especially the sequels - were dumb cash-ins. Convoluted plots were only there to hide the hollowness of the entire thing. I think Telltale genuinely cares about MI franchise.
  • edited August 2009
    Also, PoTC - and especially the sequels - were dumb cash-ins. Convoluted plots were only there to hide the hollowness of the entire thing. I think Telltale genuinely cares about MI franchise.

    PotC1 was great, IMO. Maybe it isn't the best movie of all times, but it's fun to watch, WITH an interesting plot. Besides, the movie didn't take itself too seriousy. The other parts weren't as good, though (especially the third one, which was, like, transformed into a "serious" and "deep" blockbuster with an "intense" plot, when you didn't understand a thing of what happened and who's on whoms side, I mean, there's SO many betrayals there, and, well, it wasn't fun to watch).
  • edited August 2009
    britt12334 wrote: »
    ..And after seeing the cliff hanger at the end of chapter 2 i think its heading down the path to complete crap.
    hplikelike wrote: »
    Only if Guybrush fails to escape the Manatee and is digested ;)

    Best. Reply. Ever. :D
  • edited August 2009
    Monkey Island plots were always weird.

    Not really...
    There WERE a lot of weirdy thingies AROUND the story, but what's "weird" about saving te kidnapped princess, finding the big treasure or curing the evil curse ?
    The basic plots of the first games were actually very classics and clichés (which doesn't make them bad : it's not the story that matters, but the way it's told, and they did a great job at telling it).
    Most of the "weirdness" and humour came from the settings or the puzzles, not from the plot.
  • edited August 2009
    but what's "weird" about saving te kidnapped princess

    I'm sorry Astro Gnocci, but the princess is in another castle.

    Errr.. game. :)
  • edited August 2009
    well
    merppl
    is something new.. at first i didnt quiet like the idea but then figured what the hell..the game is still awsome beyond words..

    and i only like POTC because i loved MI which was released way b4 that and jacksparrow is kinda sorta really like Guybrush
  • edited August 2009
    pilouuuu wrote: »
    If you are complaining about
    merpeople
    and
    giant manatees
    , then I don't agree. Monkey Island always included mystical or fantastic stuff, so it's nothing new. And at least the humour is much better in Tales anyway.

    I understand that we are all big fans of MI, but I get tired of all the TOMI bashing because of small details or not being like MI or MI2. Let's enjoy it for what it is. After 9 years of no MI, I'm glad they are giving us new adventures of Guybrush Threepwood.

    And TOMI Episode 2 is much better than 1 IMO, so we can only expect TT to keep surpassing themselves as usual.

    i agree with evrything pilouuuu said. i really dont get why ppl didnt like the ending to chapter 2. i didnt think anything of it until i came onto the forums. i thought ppl wouldnt like the merfolk much
  • edited August 2009
    ive played all the monkey island games multiple times and love them(even escape) i still liked the first two chapters i just have a feeling they could be going down a bad road..
  • edited August 2009
    The games are insprired by the ride, the movies are based on the ride....

    I wonder why they have similarities??????
  • edited August 2009
    is there a ride?
    never seen it....
  • edited August 2009
    What nobody realizes is that Jack Sparrow is....
    GUYBRUSH THREEPWOOD IN THE FUTURE!!! :D
  • edited August 2009
    Similarities... hmm... for one thing, there are pirates in both of them!
  • edited August 2009
    Maybe you're just not out for pirate stories about sea monsters and such.
    Personally, I think PoTC 3 was the best of the trilogy. Each movie was better than the one before it. The plot became amazing and I really got excited while watching the 3rd one. The 1st one was kinda "meh... seen that before..."

    Anyway, Monkey Island was first. But pirate-type stories always ends up with sea-monsters and weird man-like creatures. If you think these stuff are dumb, maybe you should look for something more realistic and not pirate games.
  • edited August 2009
    jortlaban wrote: »
    The games are insprired by the ride, the movies are based on the ride....

    I wonder why they have similarities??????

    Thats exactly what I wanted to say.
  • edited August 2009
    Farlander wrote: »
    What nobody realizes is that Jack Sparrow is....
    GUYBRUSH THREEPWOOD IN THE FUTURE!!! :D

    Actually that would be more like Will Turner....

    and PotC was around first, not Monkey Island... PLEASE lets not forget that.

    PotC - 1967
    Monkey Island series - 1990

    that's 23 years AFTER PotC.

    I know people are talking about the movie series, but please please please... they share the same source and so it isn't that weird that they look a like in MANY forms.
    and this is no speculation, Mr Gilbert said it himself, the original game is based on the book "on stranger tides" and the Pirates of the Caribbean ride at Disneyland.
  • edited August 2009
    jortlaban wrote: »
    Actually that would be more like Will Turner....

    and PotC was around first, not Monkey Island... PLEASE lets not forget that.

    PotC - 1967
    Monkey Island series - 1990

    that's 23 years AFTER PotC.

    I know people are talking about the movie series, but please please please... they share the same source and so it isn't that weird that they look a like in MANY forms.
    and this is no speculation, Mr Gilbert said it himself, the original game is based on the book "on stranger tides" and the Pirates of the Caribbean ride at Disneyland.

    Bah.

    Pirates of the Caribbean came 114 years AFTER Teasure Island.

    This could go one forever.

    A similar thread.
  • edited August 2009
    Actually that would be more like Will Turner....

    Naaah, Will Turner is too young to be Guybrush Threepwood in the future :p At some point after Tales of Monkey Island Guybrush lost (for one reason or another) Elaine, gradually became kinda a bit more insane, changed his name to Jack Sparrow (to make it more piraty, like the Lookout of Melee Island advised) and continued sailing the seas! Continous mutiny of his crew, making up things as he goes along, nah, Guybrush is more like Jack than Will. :p Anyway, just messing with all you people heads.
  • edited August 2009
    He's both.

    It was a De Singe experiment gone horribly wrong.

    EDIT: I actually wouldn't mind seeing this happen in one of the episodes as a nod/elbow/wink to PotC.
  • edited August 2009
    EDIT: I actually wouldn't mind seeing this happen in one of the episodes as a nod/elbow/wink to PotC.

    The best possible nod to PotC in any Monkey Island game, in my opinion, would be an undead monkey.
  • edited August 2009
    I thought Tales and One Piece were similar.
    with the Mer-people and Lechuck talking about himself being the Pirate King at the beginning of the first chapter.
  • edited August 2009
    .......
  • edited August 2009
    Bah.

    Pirates of the Caribbean came 114 years AFTER Teasure Island.

    This could go one forever.

    A similar thread.
    And you couldn't be more right, since that one is more or less the inspiration for the original ride
    Disney made a movie adaption of the book in 1950....

    But that isn't the discussion here... the discussion is the similarities in the PotC and MI franchises...
    For some reason people just forget the facts.
    is it the same "ignorance" that made kiddies wonder where Jack Sparrow was when they went on the ride after the first movie came out (and before they updated the ride with too many Johny Depp's)????

    Simple fact: the dog in the prison scene in MI2 is called Walt... so the game doesn't make a secret of where it got it's insiration.
  • edited August 2009
    ...and i only like POTC because i loved MI which was released way b4 that and jacksparrow is kinda sorta really like Guybrush

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  • edited August 2009
    Yes, sure.

    Guybrush is totally feminine, wavy and doped out of his socks all the time.
  • edited August 2009
    I'm surprised no one mentioned this similarity yet: In Tales, the Voodoo Lady has a long-lost love interest. Just like Tia Dalma and Davvy Jones in PotC. I think that's the most obvious similarity throughout the episodes (so far).
  • edited August 2009
    What about that two bumbling pirates in Ch. 2? I know this is kind of a stretch, but didn't one look like he had a glass eye? Like one of the two bumbling pirates in the PotC movies?
  • edited August 2009
    jortlaban wrote: »
    Mr Gilbert said it himself, the original game is based on the book "on stranger tides" and the Pirates of the Caribbean ride at Disneyland.

    I'm currently reading On Stranger Tides, pretty good so far.
  • edited August 2009
    hplikelike wrote: »
    What about that two bumbling pirates in Ch. 2? I know this is kind of a stretch, but didn't one look like he had a glass eye? Like one of the two bumbling pirates in the PotC movies?

    Hey, that's right! I never even thought of that! But he does have a glass eye, I noticed that, too.
  • edited August 2009
    I'm currently reading On Stranger Tides, pretty good so far.

    Finished it a few weeks ago, and yeah, pretty good read ;)
  • edited August 2009
    BeeKay84 wrote: »
    Hey, that's right! I never even thought of that! But he does have a glass eye, I noticed that, too.

    Glass eye or scar tissue? I'm going with the latter.
  • edited August 2009
    Glass eye or scar tissue? I'm going with the latter.

    Then what about Estevan from SMI? He had a glass eye AND a scar through his eye, too, much like that pirate had.
  • edited August 2009
    My only complaint is that Elaine is a controlling b*tch in this series. I realise that from the traditional monkey island games there was not very much character building for her part, but that vacuum invites building a nice one for her, not filling it with crap.
  • edited August 2009
    i know the idea for the Monkey island series came from the ride i was suggesting that they both started great and POTC turned to pure crap and i just hope monkey island doesnt follow
  • edited August 2009
    I thought the bit with the Voodoo Lady having a locket from a lost love in ToMI was interesting in this regard
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