And it also looks like it is a new territory for her (for both of them actually). It seems like she felt really confident with her bold actions towards Batman/Bruce until this point where she decided to give it a try and start a serious relationship with him and now she makes the first steps into it more carefully.
And the fact that right after the rooftop scene he takes her to the Batcave is pretty meaningful as well - she knows that he not only cares about her but that he trusted her with his best kept secret (except his secret identity which she already knows). And their interactions in the cave were awesome, I would even risk to say that there "cute" in moments :-) Perfectly contrasting with the scenes from Ridler's hideout and the rooftop 'fight'. I believe they will find a balance and that they will not give up their game of "cat and mouse", maybe just change the rules :-)
This is a really good way to look at it:) I think you hit everything right on the head, and you can tell Selina is upset when you don't flirt back etc. I think selina is starting to let her guard down when it comes to Bruce and I love it.
Seriously. Not to mention the topic is about why he thinks she's 'not just a theif' so saying 'I love you' doesn't explain anything. Its actually a rather shallow and very conceited way of seeing someone as more than what they perceive themselves as. I mean, really, it's like saying 'your a good person because I love you and we all know I'm a great person and couldn't possibly love someone who isn't as great as me.'
The whole 'I love you' doesn't even fit the subject matter and seemed completely random. I really thought it was there for people who wanted some laughs in their play through. But then it played off kind of serious, I thought maybe there would have been this awkward moment of Selina making this surprised and somewhat disturbed face and being like 'wait... what?' and then Bruce being like 'oh- uh, uh... cough nothing... I-I didn't say anything.' And then it would have just been brushed off and the conversation would continue like normal from there. lol.
I mean... if someone told you they loved you after knowing you for a week and sleeping with you only once... do you really think you'd be li… moreke YAY YES I LOVE YOU TOO THIS IS DESTINY!
... generally not so much.
That type of "I love you" declaration tends to work best in games like Dragon Age Inquisition, which takes place over the course of multiple years. The characters have time to really get to know one another. Selina has a fondness for you, sure. But love beyond an infatuation just doesn't develop quite that quickly, and she knows it.
(Note: knowing someone for a bit before telling them you love them tends to work better in real life too )
Eh, I believe people can fall in love very quickly and actually have it be true. I’ve said it before, but I proposed to my wife and told her I loved her on the very first day. Luckily, she felt the same.
Eh, I believe people can fall in love very quickly and actually have it be true. I’ve said it before, but I proposed to my wife and told her I loved her on the very first day. Luckily, she felt the same.
My point was more towards the fact that him telling her he loved her didn't fit the conversation. The question being asked was 'what makes you believe I am a good person.' Saying 'I love you' doesn't answer that and that's more the reason that I think her response was appropriate. It comes off as an empty declaration vs giving her a reason like when he says 'you saved me and didn't have to.' Then maybe had he said 'I love you' afterward it wouldn't have come off so odd because he'd be giving her a reason as to why shes a good person and because shes a good person he's grown to love her/ deeply care for her.
Personally I'm not the type of person who could handle hearing that so quickly. Not unless I was drunk. I happen to be a very happy and lovey drunk lol.
Eh, I believe people can fall in love very quickly and actually have it be true. I’ve said it before, but I proposed to my wife and told her I loved her on the very first day. Luckily, she felt the same.
I dont know my heart tells me "WHY WONT YOU LOVE ME" and my gut tells me "it's a trap you idiot" . But what i really want to know what's up with her and the riddler. The way she says to bruce that she wants pay back. its something sensitive to her. But its feels like she has to say she want pay back for bruce. because he stands there. I could be wrong but dont really think she is there to get pay back on bruce and fox. It's all about the riddler
lmao, that's the best way to put it.
I am also very, very curious as to what's up with her and Riddler. I think he must have been a mentor and maybe helped her out once or twice when she needed it. Like gave her a place to crash in desperate times or something. But the rooftop scene when she says 'I wanted payback for Riddler and for you.' Is genuine considering if you tattle on her to the GCPD she doesn't say that at all she only talks about wanting payback for Riddler. I think its one of those things where it shows she cares about Bruce a tiny bit more if you warn her vs if you don't.
Also before she steals the usb drive she mentions 'knowing what he did to Lucius' and looks genuinely upset about it.
I dont know my heart tells me "WHY WONT YOU LOVE ME" and my gut tells me "it's a trap you idiot" . But what i really want to know what's up … morewith her and the riddler. The way she says to bruce that she wants pay back. its something sensitive to her. But its feels like she has to say she want pay back for bruce. because he stands there. I could be wrong but dont really think she is there to get pay back on bruce and fox. It's all about the riddler
She maybe had some connection with Lucius or she just says that to drag Bruce in to her trap. I think if you play ur cards right with Selina, she will start care about Bruce, maybe even start love him or she will just deceive you
lmao, that's the best way to put it.
I am also very, very curious as to what's up with her and Riddler. I think he must have been a mentor … moreand maybe helped her out once or twice when she needed it. Like gave her a place to crash in desperate times or something. But the rooftop scene when she says 'I wanted payback for Riddler and for you.' Is genuine considering if you tattle on her to the GCPD she doesn't say that at all she only talks about wanting payback for Riddler. I think its one of those things where it shows she cares about Bruce a tiny bit more if you warn her vs if you don't.
Also before she steals the usb drive she mentions 'knowing what he did to Lucius' and looks genuinely upset about it.
I mean... if someone told you they loved you after knowing you for a week and sleeping with you only once... do you really think you'd be li… moreke YAY YES I LOVE YOU TOO THIS IS DESTINY!
... generally not so much.
That type of "I love you" declaration tends to work best in games like Dragon Age Inquisition, which takes place over the course of multiple years. The characters have time to really get to know one another. Selina has a fondness for you, sure. But love beyond an infatuation just doesn't develop quite that quickly, and she knows it.
(Note: knowing someone for a bit before telling them you love them tends to work better in real life too )
I disagree, Bruce and Selina are constantly on the border of death, Bruce is really stressed out, specially in Season 1 where both his best friends (Harvey and Oswald) are fucked up, he doesn't know who he should trust and he only has Alfred to have his back, but then out of nowhere comes Selina, someone who can match him in combat, someone who saved his life and kinda "supports him", and more importantly, she also knows his secret.
Those are reasons enough for Bruce to fall in love with Selina, and could also be for Selina to fall for Bruce, since Bruce also came out of nowhere in her life and he could be really nice to her, save her life instead of his best friend's, being all supportive, letting her stay at the mansion, etc.
I don't see how exactly is wrong for them to fall in love in 1 week, but is okay for Selina to come back after 1 year of rejecting Bruce all hungry for him, what? she needed some time and meet other people to realize how much she loved Bruce?
I mean... if someone told you they loved you after knowing you for a week and sleeping with you only once... do you really think you'd be li… moreke YAY YES I LOVE YOU TOO THIS IS DESTINY!
... generally not so much.
That type of "I love you" declaration tends to work best in games like Dragon Age Inquisition, which takes place over the course of multiple years. The characters have time to really get to know one another. Selina has a fondness for you, sure. But love beyond an infatuation just doesn't develop quite that quickly, and she knows it.
(Note: knowing someone for a bit before telling them you love them tends to work better in real life too )
Maybe it's a cultural difference and words can have many meanings depending on context, or can be used in multiple ways, like in english you can say "I love ice cream" and it doesn't sound weird at all, because it's not the same love that you feel for people. I use the word love when talking/writing in english like that.
But in my native language no one would ever say that. It's such a strong word it would seriously make people uncomfortable or wonder wtf is wrong with you. In my language you love people not things. Things are liked. Unless it's something really really meaningful but right now I can't come up with an example. It's been debated that the english way of using the word love is leaking into our language but I haven't noticed it. This doesn't mean either word is better or worse than the other, it's just different.
Because the word is so strong, in relationships here it takes (weeks to) months until you can say "I love you". Every woman I know personally, including me, has always heard it way too soon. So I don't think Selina's reaction in season 1 is weird at all, that would pretty much be my reaction. You can't really love someone until you know them well, because you wouldn't even know WHO you're loving.
I'm of course looking at this from my cultural perspective.
Mind explaining what you're referring to when you say 'hungry for Bruce'? Because it seems a bit much for me. You make it sound like she came to Gotham desperate to be in Bruce's arms but that isn't what happened at all. She was being flirtatious as usual but that's nothing new, Selina's a flirty person. Then eventually she expresses that she'd like to be with Bruce. And if you say you'd rather just be friends, she's okay with it. Doesn't get heartbroken, offended or anything. It's not like she's suddenly in love with him.
I disagree, Bruce and Selina are constantly on the border of death, Bruce is really stressed out, specially in Season 1 where both his best … morefriends (Harvey and Oswald) are fucked up, he doesn't know who he should trust and he only has Alfred to have his back, but then out of nowhere comes Selina, someone who can match him in combat, someone who saved his life and kinda "supports him", and more importantly, she also knows his secret.
Those are reasons enough for Bruce to fall in love with Selina, and could also be for Selina to fall for Bruce, since Bruce also came out of nowhere in her life and he could be really nice to her, save her life instead of his best friend's, being all supportive, letting her stay at the mansion, etc.
I don't see how exactly is wrong for them to fall in love in 1 week, but is okay for Selina to come back after 1 year of rejecting Bruce all hungry for him, what? she needed some time and meet other people to realize how much she loved Bruce?
Mind explaining what you're referring to when you say 'hungry for Bruce'? Because it seems a bit much for me. You make it sound like she cam… moree to Gotham desperate to be in Bruce's arms but that isn't what happened at all. She was being flirtatious as usual but that's nothing new, Selina's a flirty person. Then eventually she expresses that she'd like to be with Bruce. And if you say you'd rather just be friends, she's okay with it. Doesn't get heartbroken, offended or anything. It's not like she's suddenly in love with him.
Selina does feel a bit disappointed if Bruce only wants her as a friend. You can clearly see that in two different scenes; the one from the Manor (if you don't warn her about Gordon) and the one in the Batcave.
Mind explaining what you're referring to when you say 'hungry for Bruce'? Because it seems a bit much for me. You make it sound like she cam… moree to Gotham desperate to be in Bruce's arms but that isn't what happened at all. She was being flirtatious as usual but that's nothing new, Selina's a flirty person. Then eventually she expresses that she'd like to be with Bruce. And if you say you'd rather just be friends, she's okay with it. Doesn't get heartbroken, offended or anything. It's not like she's suddenly in love with him.
I didn't get that impression when I did it. Though disappointment is a fair reaction. No one's gonna go "K, that's cool!" when you don't share their feelings.
As Ferkill said, she actually gets really sad if you friendzone her, she makes a really painful face, not only that, but she's REALLY pushy, like if you told her before you want to be friends with her, she keeps insisting, since when is Selina a person that basically begs to get into a relationship?
It was too obvious in the scene you get if you warn her about Gordon that she had everything planned, the place, Batman chasing her, the small fight, she clearly can't do whatever she wanted to do with the laptop alone so she wanted Bruce so badly to offer her to go to the batcave.
Not warning her makes that even worse, she shows up at your house wounded and vulnerable because she has nobody else, why would Selina do that if not for Bruce? Is not as if she needed help when she got shoot in Season 1 if you choose to save Harvey, what makes it different now? She also starts a fight if you refuse to work with her. And I haven't seen Selina being flirty with other characters, she's constantly touching Bruce's chest.
And the most important point is something that has been mentioned like 5 times in this post, how she is constantly seeking for Bruce to tell her she's more than a thief, like she needs so badly to hear that, to the point that if you don't tell her how much of a good girl she is she gets angry and mad like she did in Season 1 Ep 5.
Mind explaining what you're referring to when you say 'hungry for Bruce'? Because it seems a bit much for me. You make it sound like she cam… moree to Gotham desperate to be in Bruce's arms but that isn't what happened at all. She was being flirtatious as usual but that's nothing new, Selina's a flirty person. Then eventually she expresses that she'd like to be with Bruce. And if you say you'd rather just be friends, she's okay with it. Doesn't get heartbroken, offended or anything. It's not like she's suddenly in love with him.
I was surprised how heartbroken she actually looked while walking away in the batcave when Bruce says he wants to be friends. But I think it was more about her wanting to give it a chance. You can recognise a chance for something bigger even if it doesn't develop into a romance.
I thought so too, I feel like she wants Bruce as a partner obviously if its a romantic partnership or not is up to the player. But she did seem upset if Bruce decides to go down the "friends only" route.
You are absolutely right!I just hope it develops later on in the season if you always pick her side,I've been 100% Selina this episode: warned her about the GCPD,talked romantically on the roof,kissed her and invited to the batcave,wanted more etc.And,of course,sacrificed myself
As Ferkill said, she actually gets really sad if you friendzone her, she makes a really painful face, not only that, but she's REALLY pushy,… more like if you told her before you want to be friends with her, she keeps insisting, since when is Selina a person that basically begs to get into a relationship?
It was too obvious in the scene you get if you warn her about Gordon that she had everything planned, the place, Batman chasing her, the small fight, she clearly can't do whatever she wanted to do with the laptop alone so she wanted Bruce so badly to offer her to go to the batcave.
Not warning her makes that even worse, she shows up at your house wounded and vulnerable because she has nobody else, why would Selina do that if not for Bruce? Is not as if she needed help when she got shoot in Season 1 if you choose to save Harvey, what makes it different now? She also starts a fight if you refuse to work with her. And I haven't seen Selina bein… [view original content]
You are absolutely right!I just hope it develops later on in the season if you always pick her side,I've been 100% Selina this episode: warn… moreed her about the GCPD,talked romantically on the roof,kissed her and invited to the batcave,wanted more etc.And,of course,sacrificed myself
I hope she doesn't leave,but I think that Telltale could come up with some kind of departure for her,hopefully they don't,I can see Bruce and Selina happy at the season finale,handling the pact together,not like it was the last time with Lady Arkham
Bittersweet endings fit the Batman-Catwoman relationships, I won't blame Telltale for going with this again.
Of course something will cause them to go separate ways. I'm fine with this, it's the ride that counts more than the destination.
Like you I really like what Telltale are currently doing with the BatCat romance. It feels level-headed and balanced.
And I was not optimistic at all before episode 3.
The reason, I think, why so many people want to see Bruce happy is because it's the first time Bruce's life has been depicted to such an extent in a video game. His character is well developed and so is Catwoman's, the fact that Telltale have at heart to make them believable only makes romance more important.
But, I'm still betting good money on the two breaking up at some point towards the end of the season. I hope it will be on good terms like in season 1.
Honestly, I would love for season 2 to potentiallh have a happy ending for the 2 of them, maybe have Selina stick around the mansion for a while, at least until a potential season 3, depending on your choices, I just dont want them to split up again, theyre so cute together
Like you I really like what Telltale are currently doing with the BatCat romance. It feels level-headed and balanced.
And I was not optimis… moretic at all before episode 3.
The reason, I think, why so many people want to see Bruce happy is because it's the first time Bruce's life has been depicted to such an extent in a video game. His character is well developed and so is Catwoman's, the fact that Telltale have at heart to make them believable only makes romance more important.
But, I'm still betting good money on the two breaking up at some point towards the end of the season. I hope it will be on good terms like in season 1.
They are cut from the same cloth indeed. Telltale have made that crystal clear ever since the two characters started interacting. But, the general tone of the season thus far is really dark, dare I say even darker than season one.
Some would feel an "happy" would be too much of a tonal shift, the same arguments were leveled at the Dark Knight Rises' ending scene, although I thought the shift was more than welcome.
I'm fine with Bruce saying goodbye again to Selina, what I would be really upset with would be for Telltale to kill off Catwoman. There is nothing I hate more than female characters being sacrificed, it happened too many times in video games. Sometimes it's for the sake of the male character's development (Gosh I finally realize I screwed because she is dead ! Thanks writers!!!), sometimes it's a plot device (gotta get the story going somehow I guess), but most of the time it's because the female character has outlived her usefulness and the writers have no clue what to do with her than to kill her off.
It's too cheap a way to raise the stakes of the story.
Honestly, I would love for season 2 to potentiallh have a happy ending for the 2 of them, maybe have Selina stick around the mansion for a w… morehile, at least until a potential season 3, depending on your choices, I just dont want them to split up again, theyre so cute together
I think Selina's safe. Her death doesn't really bring a motivation depending on how you played. They gave you the option to basically leave her to die and she's losing an arm in that scenario. If she hadn't lost an arm I'd probably be a bit more inclined to believe her time was up. It just seems like an odd detail to add for a character that's on death row. And if she died, for some players, it'd be like 'um... yeah... okay. Moving on.' Lacking any emotional value.
I mean, I could be wrong.
They are cut from the same cloth indeed. Telltale have made that crystal clear ever since the two characters started interacting. But, the g… moreeneral tone of the season thus far is really dark, dare I say even darker than season one.
Some would feel an "happy" would be too much of a tonal shift, the same arguments were leveled at the Dark Knight Rises' ending scene, although I thought the shift was more than welcome.
I'm fine with Bruce saying goodbye again to Selina, what I would be really upset with would be for Telltale to kill off Catwoman. There is nothing I hate more than female characters being sacrificed, it happened too many times in video games. Sometimes it's for the sake of the male character's development (Gosh I finally realize I screwed because she is dead ! Thanks writers!!!), sometimes it's a plot device (gotta get the story going somehow I guess), but most of the time it's because the female character has outlived her use… [view original content]
I don't even want to think that something ultimately bad may happen to my favorite characters - Selina and Alfred.
I fear Bruce and Selina would split up, but hope that I will be positively surprised and they will stay together by the end of episode 5.
This is a really long shot, but I think that maybe if TTG are planning to do 3rd season, they may end this one on the somber note, maybe Batman will fail to take down Joker or something like that. In that case, Bruce may really need this relationship with Selina by the end of S2.
I agree that in most of Batman-iterations and in its roots the specific of relationship between Batman and Catwoman is this chase after one another, but on the other hand - this is Telltale take on Batman, so I hope we will have some fresh ideas here (as in ep3, were I was really surprised that there was an option to start a serious relationship between Bat and Cat).
People often see the steady relationship as the end of the road, the destination for two characters, when it may be just the beginning of the journey. I am sure that it is more challenging to be able to write two characters in a relationship and keep the chemistry between them on the top level as it was before they committed into it. And everyone likes challenges in their job, right Telltale? ;-)
I am hoping for a season 3 actually, Season 2 has been really good, better than alot of recent Telltale games IMO (better than Minecraft, Guardians, A New Frontier), and I would love a season 3
I don't even want to think that something ultimately bad may happen to my favorite characters - Selina and Alfred.
I fear Bruce and Selin… morea would split up, but hope that I will be positively surprised and they will stay together by the end of episode 5.
This is a really long shot, but I think that maybe if TTG are planning to do 3rd season, they may end this one on the somber note, maybe Batman will fail to take down Joker or something like that. In that case, Bruce may really need this relationship with Selina by the end of S2.
I agree that in most of Batman-iterations and in its roots the specific of relationship between Batman and Catwoman is this chase after one another, but on the other hand - this is Telltale take on Batman, so I hope we will have some fresh ideas here (as in ep3, were I was really surprised that there was an option to start a serious relationship between Bat and Cat).
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Whatever happens I trust Telltale would do the right thing in the matters of the plotline - after all they probably care about these characters as much as we do, or even more ;-)
I am ready for the ride with them in next episodes. It is just this waiting that is killing me and it is only few days since we got ep3... Anyway, good story requires reasonable development time, so I am ready to wait however long they need :-)
My opinion is Selina does care for Bruce (part of the reason why she left in the first season). In the comics, very much like Bruce she was a loner and her deepest fear is to have to depend on others. She is a very complex character but deep down she is not the careless person she tries to seem (at the end of season 1 I think it's kind of obvious she just does her best to make Bruce change his opinion about her by telling him she just used him but you can tell deep down that's not true. Also the fact that she breaks her guard when Bruce tells her why he thinks she is a genuinely good person proves it was just an act in my opinion) So she is just very afraid of attachment and finds it very hard to trust others. If you take Selina in the batcave there is that moment when she tells Bruce she might be interested in actually being more than just friends because he is the only one that really made her feel like she can be a better person. At that point she already would have obtained whatever she wanted so there was no point for that and also if you reject her and tell her to just be friends she walks away with an expression of genuine sadness/disappointment. About the "oh please" that's just very much part of her character in Hush she flips out at Batman for saving her instead of going after Harley (and they were pretty much in a relationship at that point) she's just very sensitive about this kind of stuff and Bruce saying that really is quite a bad move because 1.It doesn't make sense given the circumstances 2.It wouldn't change anything he is dealing with a bunch of psychopaths who could not give less of a crap about his feelings so I interpret that as a "Really that's the best you can come up with?". Also, on top of everything when you see the relationships at the end after you have sacrificed yourself you will see Selina was left feeling horrified thinking you might/will die. Anyway that's just my thoughts and anything could change anytime but so far the way I see it evidence points towards Selina caring about Bruce quite a lot since he had this huge impact on her life.
My opinion is Selina does care for Bruce (part of the reason why she left in the first season). In the comics, very much like Bruce she was … morea loner and her deepest fear is to have to depend on others. She is a very complex character but deep down she is not the careless person she tries to seem (at the end of season 1 I think it's kind of obvious she just does her best to make Bruce change his opinion about her by telling him she just used him but you can tell deep down that's not true. Also the fact that she breaks her guard when Bruce tells her why he thinks she is a genuinely good person proves it was just an act in my opinion) So she is just very afraid of attachment and finds it very hard to trust others. If you take Selina in the batcave there is that moment when she tells Bruce she might be interested in actually being more than just friends because he is the only one that really made her feel like she can be a better person. At that p… [view original content]
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And it also looks like it is a new territory for her (for both of them actually). It seems like she felt really confident with her bold actions towards Batman/Bruce until this point where she decided to give it a try and start a serious relationship with him and now she makes the first steps into it more carefully.
And the fact that right after the rooftop scene he takes her to the Batcave is pretty meaningful as well - she knows that he not only cares about her but that he trusted her with his best kept secret (except his secret identity which she already knows). And their interactions in the cave were awesome, I would even risk to say that there "cute" in moments :-) Perfectly contrasting with the scenes from Ridler's hideout and the rooftop 'fight'. I believe they will find a balance and that they will not give up their game of "cat and mouse", maybe just change the rules :-)
Seriously. Not to mention the topic is about why he thinks she's 'not just a theif' so saying 'I love you' doesn't explain anything. Its actually a rather shallow and very conceited way of seeing someone as more than what they perceive themselves as. I mean, really, it's like saying 'your a good person because I love you and we all know I'm a great person and couldn't possibly love someone who isn't as great as me.'
The whole 'I love you' doesn't even fit the subject matter and seemed completely random. I really thought it was there for people who wanted some laughs in their play through. But then it played off kind of serious, I thought maybe there would have been this awkward moment of Selina making this surprised and somewhat disturbed face and being like 'wait... what?' and then Bruce being like 'oh- uh, uh... cough nothing... I-I didn't say anything.' And then it would have just been brushed off and the conversation would continue like normal from there. lol.
Eh, I believe people can fall in love very quickly and actually have it be true. I’ve said it before, but I proposed to my wife and told her I loved her on the very first day. Luckily, she felt the same.
That's extremely unusual! That said, I'm happy for you and wish you the best!
My point was more towards the fact that him telling her he loved her didn't fit the conversation. The question being asked was 'what makes you believe I am a good person.' Saying 'I love you' doesn't answer that and that's more the reason that I think her response was appropriate. It comes off as an empty declaration vs giving her a reason like when he says 'you saved me and didn't have to.' Then maybe had he said 'I love you' afterward it wouldn't have come off so odd because he'd be giving her a reason as to why shes a good person and because shes a good person he's grown to love her/ deeply care for her.
Personally I'm not the type of person who could handle hearing that so quickly. Not unless I was drunk. I happen to be a very happy and lovey drunk lol.
I dont know my heart tells me "WHY WONT YOU LOVE ME" and my gut tells me "it's a trap you idiot" . But what i really want to know what's up with her and the riddler. The way she says to bruce that she wants pay back. its something sensitive to her. But its feels like she has to say she want pay back for bruce. because he stands there. I could be wrong but dont really think she is there to get pay back on bruce and fox. It's all about the riddler
lmao, that's the best way to put it.
I am also very, very curious as to what's up with her and Riddler. I think he must have been a mentor and maybe helped her out once or twice when she needed it. Like gave her a place to crash in desperate times or something. But the rooftop scene when she says 'I wanted payback for Riddler and for you.' Is genuine considering if you tattle on her to the GCPD she doesn't say that at all she only talks about wanting payback for Riddler. I think its one of those things where it shows she cares about Bruce a tiny bit more if you warn her vs if you don't.
Also before she steals the usb drive she mentions 'knowing what he did to Lucius' and looks genuinely upset about it.
She maybe had some connection with Lucius or she just says that to drag Bruce in to her trap. I think if you play ur cards right with Selina, she will start care about Bruce, maybe even start love him or she will just deceive you
Your general point is very true. However, I was still miffed by how rude she was about it.
So now I have to wonder whether she is planning on sticking around. And again what her hopes are.
Oh, and thanks for replying. Very much appreciated.
I disagree, Bruce and Selina are constantly on the border of death, Bruce is really stressed out, specially in Season 1 where both his best friends (Harvey and Oswald) are fucked up, he doesn't know who he should trust and he only has Alfred to have his back, but then out of nowhere comes Selina, someone who can match him in combat, someone who saved his life and kinda "supports him", and more importantly, she also knows his secret.
Those are reasons enough for Bruce to fall in love with Selina, and could also be for Selina to fall for Bruce, since Bruce also came out of nowhere in her life and he could be really nice to her, save her life instead of his best friend's, being all supportive, letting her stay at the mansion, etc.
I don't see how exactly is wrong for them to fall in love in 1 week, but is okay for Selina to come back after 1 year of rejecting Bruce all hungry for him, what? she needed some time and meet other people to realize how much she loved Bruce?
Maybe it's a cultural difference and words can have many meanings depending on context, or can be used in multiple ways, like in english you can say "I love ice cream" and it doesn't sound weird at all, because it's not the same love that you feel for people. I use the word love when talking/writing in english like that.
But in my native language no one would ever say that. It's such a strong word it would seriously make people uncomfortable or wonder wtf is wrong with you. In my language you love people not things. Things are liked. Unless it's something really really meaningful but right now I can't come up with an example. It's been debated that the english way of using the word love is leaking into our language but I haven't noticed it. This doesn't mean either word is better or worse than the other, it's just different.
Because the word is so strong, in relationships here it takes (weeks to) months until you can say "I love you". Every woman I know personally, including me, has always heard it way too soon. So I don't think Selina's reaction in season 1 is weird at all, that would pretty much be my reaction. You can't really love someone until you know them well, because you wouldn't even know WHO you're loving.
I'm of course looking at this from my cultural perspective.
Mind explaining what you're referring to when you say 'hungry for Bruce'? Because it seems a bit much for me. You make it sound like she came to Gotham desperate to be in Bruce's arms but that isn't what happened at all. She was being flirtatious as usual but that's nothing new, Selina's a flirty person. Then eventually she expresses that she'd like to be with Bruce. And if you say you'd rather just be friends, she's okay with it. Doesn't get heartbroken, offended or anything. It's not like she's suddenly in love with him.
She actually feels upset if you friendzone her in the Batcave,so I can disagree with you on the last part
Selina does feel a bit disappointed if Bruce only wants her as a friend. You can clearly see that in two different scenes; the one from the Manor (if you don't warn her about Gordon) and the one in the Batcave.
I didn't get that impression when I did it. Though disappointment is a fair reaction. No one's gonna go "K, that's cool!" when you don't share their feelings.
As Ferkill said, she actually gets really sad if you friendzone her, she makes a really painful face, not only that, but she's REALLY pushy, like if you told her before you want to be friends with her, she keeps insisting, since when is Selina a person that basically begs to get into a relationship?
It was too obvious in the scene you get if you warn her about Gordon that she had everything planned, the place, Batman chasing her, the small fight, she clearly can't do whatever she wanted to do with the laptop alone so she wanted Bruce so badly to offer her to go to the batcave.
Not warning her makes that even worse, she shows up at your house wounded and vulnerable because she has nobody else, why would Selina do that if not for Bruce? Is not as if she needed help when she got shoot in Season 1 if you choose to save Harvey, what makes it different now? She also starts a fight if you refuse to work with her. And I haven't seen Selina being flirty with other characters, she's constantly touching Bruce's chest.
And the most important point is something that has been mentioned like 5 times in this post, how she is constantly seeking for Bruce to tell her she's more than a thief, like she needs so badly to hear that, to the point that if you don't tell her how much of a good girl she is she gets angry and mad like she did in Season 1 Ep 5.
I was surprised how heartbroken she actually looked while walking away in the batcave when Bruce says he wants to be friends. But I think it was more about her wanting to give it a chance. You can recognise a chance for something bigger even if it doesn't develop into a romance.
I thought so too, I feel like she wants Bruce as a partner obviously if its a romantic partnership or not is up to the player. But she did seem upset if Bruce decides to go down the "friends only" route.
You are absolutely right!I just hope it develops later on in the season if you always pick her side,I've been 100% Selina this episode: warned her about the GCPD,talked romantically on the roof,kissed her and invited to the batcave,wanted more etc.And,of course,sacrificed myself
I hope theres a payoff at the ens of this. Hopefully she doesn't leave again ;(
Bittersweet endings fit the Batman-Catwoman relationships, I won't blame Telltale for going with this again.
Of course something will cause them to go separate ways. I'm fine with this, it's the ride that counts more than the destination.
I hope she doesn't leave,but I think that Telltale could come up with some kind of departure for her,hopefully they don't,I can see Bruce and Selina happy at the season finale,handling the pact together,not like it was the last time with Lady Arkham
I agree with you, I'm just a sucker for love and I like them together lol. But you're right it's about ride:))
Like you I really like what Telltale are currently doing with the BatCat romance. It feels level-headed and balanced.
And I was not optimistic at all before episode 3.
The reason, I think, why so many people want to see Bruce happy is because it's the first time Bruce's life has been depicted to such an extent in a video game. His character is well developed and so is Catwoman's, the fact that Telltale have at heart to make them believable only makes romance more important.
But, I'm still betting good money on the two breaking up at some point towards the end of the season. I hope it will be on good terms like in season 1.
Honestly, I would love for season 2 to potentiallh have a happy ending for the 2 of them, maybe have Selina stick around the mansion for a while, at least until a potential season 3, depending on your choices, I just dont want them to split up again, theyre so cute together
They are cut from the same cloth indeed. Telltale have made that crystal clear ever since the two characters started interacting. But, the general tone of the season thus far is really dark, dare I say even darker than season one.
Some would feel an "happy" would be too much of a tonal shift, the same arguments were leveled at the Dark Knight Rises' ending scene, although I thought the shift was more than welcome.
I'm fine with Bruce saying goodbye again to Selina, what I would be really upset with would be for Telltale to kill off Catwoman. There is nothing I hate more than female characters being sacrificed, it happened too many times in video games. Sometimes it's for the sake of the male character's development (Gosh I finally realize I screwed because she is dead ! Thanks writers!!!), sometimes it's a plot device (gotta get the story going somehow I guess), but most of the time it's because the female character has outlived her usefulness and the writers have no clue what to do with her than to kill her off.
It's too cheap a way to raise the stakes of the story.
It's bad, really bad. With female writers having a strong clout at Telltale I have some hope Selina won't end up dead unless we abandon her perhaps.
See here: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/GailSimone
I think Selina's safe. Her death doesn't really bring a motivation depending on how you played. They gave you the option to basically leave her to die and she's losing an arm in that scenario. If she hadn't lost an arm I'd probably be a bit more inclined to believe her time was up. It just seems like an odd detail to add for a character that's on death row. And if she died, for some players, it'd be like 'um... yeah... okay. Moving on.' Lacking any emotional value.
I mean, I could be wrong.
I don't even want to think that something ultimately bad may happen to my favorite characters - Selina and Alfred.
I fear Bruce and Selina would split up, but hope that I will be positively surprised and they will stay together by the end of episode 5.
This is a really long shot, but I think that maybe if TTG are planning to do 3rd season, they may end this one on the somber note, maybe Batman will fail to take down Joker or something like that. In that case, Bruce may really need this relationship with Selina by the end of S2.
I agree that in most of Batman-iterations and in its roots the specific of relationship between Batman and Catwoman is this chase after one another, but on the other hand - this is Telltale take on Batman, so I hope we will have some fresh ideas here (as in ep3, were I was really surprised that there was an option to start a serious relationship between Bat and Cat).
People often see the steady relationship as the end of the road, the destination for two characters, when it may be just the beginning of the journey. I am sure that it is more challenging to be able to write two characters in a relationship and keep the chemistry between them on the top level as it was before they committed into it. And everyone likes challenges in their job, right Telltale? ;-)
I am hoping for a season 3 actually, Season 2 has been really good, better than alot of recent Telltale games IMO (better than Minecraft, Guardians, A New Frontier), and I would love a season 3
Whatever happens I trust Telltale would do the right thing in the matters of the plotline - after all they probably care about these characters as much as we do, or even more ;-)
I am ready for the ride with them in next episodes. It is just this waiting that is killing me and it is only few days since we got ep3... Anyway, good story requires reasonable development time, so I am ready to wait however long they need :-)
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My opinion is Selina does care for Bruce (part of the reason why she left in the first season). In the comics, very much like Bruce she was a loner and her deepest fear is to have to depend on others. She is a very complex character but deep down she is not the careless person she tries to seem (at the end of season 1 I think it's kind of obvious she just does her best to make Bruce change his opinion about her by telling him she just used him but you can tell deep down that's not true. Also the fact that she breaks her guard when Bruce tells her why he thinks she is a genuinely good person proves it was just an act in my opinion) So she is just very afraid of attachment and finds it very hard to trust others. If you take Selina in the batcave there is that moment when she tells Bruce she might be interested in actually being more than just friends because he is the only one that really made her feel like she can be a better person. At that point she already would have obtained whatever she wanted so there was no point for that and also if you reject her and tell her to just be friends she walks away with an expression of genuine sadness/disappointment. About the "oh please" that's just very much part of her character in Hush she flips out at Batman for saving her instead of going after Harley (and they were pretty much in a relationship at that point) she's just very sensitive about this kind of stuff and Bruce saying that really is quite a bad move because 1.It doesn't make sense given the circumstances 2.It wouldn't change anything he is dealing with a bunch of psychopaths who could not give less of a crap about his feelings so I interpret that as a "Really that's the best you can come up with?". Also, on top of everything when you see the relationships at the end after you have sacrificed yourself you will see Selina was left feeling horrified thinking you might/will die. Anyway that's just my thoughts and anything could change anytime but so far the way I see it evidence points towards Selina caring about Bruce quite a lot since he had this huge impact on her life.
Thanks for your input! I agree with you that depending on your choices, she does care about him.