Not really very accurate as a lot of people don't go on this forum. =/ I think having an optional .torrent option would be a good idea though. Although that said, I do wonder how many people would use it, I mean the average PC user won't even know what a torrent is. Also sometimes it's faster to use DD than P2P, as I've found out in other places.
The bigger fear I have is that the average user thinks he knows perfectly what a torrent is: "Some illegal doohickey used by internet criminals to spread viruses", so "anybody who uses torrents is a criminal, QED".
That is another problem too, yeah. The ISPs and the Media doesn't help that either. Constantly releasing stories how ISPs have banned such and such an amount of people today after they had used P2P also saying how wrong using P2P is without realising not all P2P is illegal.
And torrents are the technology that most media coverage currently focuses on.
Really, if you want to use BitTorrent today for anything but downloads targeted at anybody but computer-litigate users (for example for Linux ISOs) you need to hide it. The recent Metal Gear Solid game comes to mind which uses a BitTorrent client to download updates on PS3. There's a very short notice when you initiate the update, but from that point forward they're careful to never use the word BitTorrent ever again.
I guess it's better to use WinRAR here because everyone would benefit from that. The only negative thing I can find with that is that you need a little more disk space.
170MB extra... I think we can live with that. Even if it is decided against using them for the default setup, maybe we can at least keep a copy of each game somewhere on the TTG server so we can direct people there in the event of trouble.
Yep, although it would be rather hard to hide it if TT offered a .torrent file. Unless they made it into a P2P Download manager, for example like what Blizzard has.
(Was aimed at post #47) XD
Yeah but the winrar idea does sound best, and is the most easiest to do.
DjNDB, about the split installer: Sadly WinRAR doesn't tell you exactly which file is corrupt in a split archive. The output if one file is corrupt looks like this:
Extracting setup.exe
Extracting from SiegeOfSpinnerCay.r00
Extracting from SiegeOfSpinnerCay.r01
Extracting from SiegeOfSpinnerCay.r02
Packed data CRC failed in setup.exe
Extracting from SiegeOfSpinnerCay.r03
CRC failed in setup.exe
The last file mentioned above "Packed data CRC failed" is the one that's to blame. In this case r02
Interesting, "Some installation files are corrupt. Please download a fresh copy and retry the installation." is apparently too complex for you. However I still think that the average user can understand it.
No offense, insult, or rudeness intended on my behalf, though I do apologize. My humor often does not translate well. (I find myself hilarious, so I can take some comfort in that.)
No offense, insult, or rudeness intended on my behalf, though I do apologize. My humor often does not translate well. (I find myself hilarious, so I can take some comfort in that.)
Well, I can't say "none taken" as I obviously was offended by the combination of your and GaryCXJk's posts, which I perceived as an unprovoked attack. But I'm willing to forgive and forget. Apology accepted.
Never seen Blizzard's downloader... is there anything special about it or do you simply mean it as a good example of a downloader that uses P2P under the hood?
Never seen Blizzard's downloader... is there anything special about it or do you simply mean it as a good example of a downloader that uses P2P under the hood?
I mentioned it above too. It's a good example of using P2P behind the scenes, aye. Basically it's a download manager that uses P2P to get their files to it's users. It has it's fair share of problems mind you like any place, for example when a patch is released, you can be waiting a day just to download something like a 50mb file.
Sorry, we do not create custom interfaces for SFX modules.
But it is perfectly legal and not very difficult for them to
use a resource editor like Resource Hacker to modify resources
in default.sfx: http://www.angusj.com/resourcehacker/
They will need to rename default.sfx to default.exe before editing
and return its original name back after that. They can change
dialogs layout, hide and resize dialog elements, edit error messages
with it.
Asche auf mein Haupt. I shouldn't have jumped to the conclusion that just because I couldn't find the string table, it wasn't there. Still, at least we know that he's fine with modifications to the SFX module.
I've made a minimalistic dialog using reshacker and turned it into an SFX module. The file is truncated to save bandwidth, so it doesn't really work, but you can see the dialog.
It should show the progressbar, then quit (there's only a truncated and non-working version of the ToMI installer included to give the extraction process something to do)
If you're trying to do it yourself, Advanced/SFX Options/Modes/Unpack to Temporary folder + add filename of setup file under Advanced/SFX Options/General/Run after extraction
Funny, that's what I expected it to do that, but I don't get the error message. But basically yes: You should briefly see the extraction progress dialog, then it dies.
No feedback at all while extracting 400MB is a bit much don't you think? But we can modify the UI anyway, so no problem there. The only question that remains for me is how to sign an SFX archive: I never had to work with signed EXEs.
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I don't think that's a good idea unless it is really intended to use BitTorrent. It would only confuse people.
Really, if you want to use BitTorrent today for anything but downloads targeted at anybody but computer-litigate users (for example for Linux ISOs) you need to hide it. The recent Metal Gear Solid game comes to mind which uses a BitTorrent client to download updates on PS3. There's a very short notice when you initiate the update, but from that point forward they're careful to never use the word BitTorrent ever again.
I guess it's better to use WinRAR here because everyone would benefit from that. The only negative thing I can find with that is that you need a little more disk space.
(Was aimed at post #47) XD
Yeah but the winrar idea does sound best, and is the most easiest to do.
DjNDB, about the split installer: Sadly WinRAR doesn't tell you exactly which file is corrupt in a split archive. The output if one file is corrupt looks like this:
The last file mentioned above "Packed data CRC failed" is the one that's to blame. In this case r02
Thanks for letting me know.
No offense, insult, or rudeness intended on my behalf, though I do apologize. My humor often does not translate well. (I find myself hilarious, so I can take some comfort in that.)
Well, I can't say "none taken" as I obviously was offended by the combination of your and GaryCXJk's posts, which I perceived as an unprovoked attack. But I'm willing to forgive and forget. Apology accepted.
Edit: Never mind -- saw Will's post in the other thread saying they had some problems with it.
I've sent a mail to the WinRAR developer asking him about modifying the UI for the installer, but I guess we won't get an answer until Monday...
"Hello,
Sorry, we do not create custom interfaces for SFX modules.
But it is perfectly legal and not very difficult for them to
use a resource editor like Resource Hacker to modify resources
in default.sfx:
http://www.angusj.com/resourcehacker/
They will need to rename default.sfx to default.exe before editing
and return its original name back after that. They can change
dialogs layout, hide and resize dialog elements, edit error messages
with it.
Eugene"
I've made a minimalistic dialog using reshacker and turned it into an SFX module. The file is truncated to save bandwidth, so it doesn't really work, but you can see the dialog.
http://www.tapper-ware.net/files/Telltale/RARSetup-test.exe
I think some users could be confused by having to choose install location twice.
Then I don't see why TTG shouldn't use this.
http://www.tapper-ware.net/files/Telltale/RARSetup-test.exe
It should show the progressbar, then quit (there's only a truncated and non-working version of the ToMI installer included to give the extraction process something to do)
If you're trying to do it yourself, Advanced/SFX Options/Modes/Unpack to Temporary folder + add filename of setup file under Advanced/SFX Options/General/Run after extraction
Your file instantly give me an error message saying "Windows cannot find 'setup.exe'. Is that how it's supposed to do?