Would you save them?
CapnJay
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Episode 4 was a doozy. John's becoming a Vigilante, Tiffany is ready to become Batgirl, and the true Enemy is revealed as Waller. I freezed freeze but sadly Even if he does recover he's going to be insane like Riddler. That said. If I could synthesize a serum without the crazy sauce I'd give it to Harley, Nora, and Even Bane. Though in Bane's case I'm not sure curing his addiction would actually Stop him using venom. Just stop him from being addicted to it. I might even give some to Alfred. I want to save Harley partially because I failed Victoria Arkham. And I'm hoping that I can put Vigilante John on the right path. But the question is would you save the pact with a true cure to their problems?
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I will save everyone who is willing to be saved. =D
Would be nice if a final choice of episode 5 is who to use the serum on based on what you learned from Riddlers DNA similar to GOTG's ending choice. Harley, Nora, Bane, Freeze, Alfred or Nobody. As for Tiffany I don't want her to become Batgirl cause her costume design was too lame for me.
No, it would be horrible having that happy ending in which none of the villains pay, but instead, they all get exactly what they wanted served by Bruce in a silver plate. All of them have to pay for what they have done.
I don't think Bruce would save them because nothing is wrong with Harley and John except that they are insane and there is no cure for insanity other than Arkham Asylum.
Sooo, maybe its different in the villain ending, or maybe you can have Avesta not destroy/take the blood, but I fail to see how the real villain was confirmed Waller in this episode? she isnt any more sketchy than Avesta ATM, and theyre both pretty sketchy
People see her as a villain because she was going to shoot their poor little John in the Vigilante ending, as if she didn't have any reason, the guy blows up everything minutes later, stabs her and will do god knows what with the virus.
Well you see at the time we have no confirmation about John being a villain except for the funhouse scene which we don't know what happened since Bruce didn't really investigate. You either believe John or you don't. I chose to believe him because Avesta says that Waller has changed meaning that she only cares about capturing them or killing them. Harley also escaped with the virus making her dangerous and someone that Batman has to stop. Now John has the virus and is working with Batman which means that Bruce can convince John to give him the vial.
Except she definitely could have had Bruce talk John down. Also its revealed that she literally LET the pact have Riddler's body, therefore sat back while innocent people died. She had no intention of really stopping either the pact or SANCTUS she just wanted the virus. And I agree that John isn't a good guy in that scenario either, but Waller had no idea to the extent of how bad he was she just decided his usefulness ran out and that gave her enough reason to kill him in cold blood. She's a total villain.
if you had the condition Robin Williams had that would lead to suicide in the best case scenario you'd skip around whistling and saying there's nothing wrong with you? I don't know exactly what Huntington's does but I'm guessing it's more physical then mental but I'm sure there's a mental equivalent.
John holds vial and says nobody should have it.
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"You come work for us and we can give you the cure you want"
"What'll we be doing for you"
" Oh you'll be my task Force for X Level assignments a Task Force X if you will"
I have a feeling that John is going to become infected by the virus and survive but become the Joker fully regardless of our actions.
I have a feeling he already survived the virus in past, that's why he's completly nuts and so agressive. =D Besides, he's far to strong for his physique. Just like Riddler. He killed 3 trained agents, and beaten patients in Arkham.
Choose nobody then. It would be an after thought does Bruce actually want to help one of the villains which could potentially lead to them halting their life of crime? Curing Nora for instance is saving an innocent. Waller definitely wants to form a suicide squad with these individuals using what they want as bargaining chips.
Yes I would.
My Batman walkthrough looks more and more like Undertale, lol. But with more blood and corpses.
Halting their life of crime won't bring back everyone they killed, and yeah Nora is innocent but if I save her from a disease I have to save everyone, what makes her special? Besides being the wife of a psychopath who could kill everyone because he can't deal with his wife's death.
It's been a while since I've played all four episodes maybe you can fix my list.
Riddler Casualties: security goons for a weapons trafficker and Agents of a corrupt government organization
Harley freeze and Bane Casualties: Members of a corrupt government organization and it's even more corrupt bioweapons branch. A security guard/ dockworker who tried to help Batman not be killed by Bane. Also bane's criminals.
John: members of a corrupt government organization. Any civilians who were still on the bridge in the area of the explosion And possibly bopped Bullock in the head.
Waller and Sanctus: Human test subjects for a killer virus. Intended to kill John when he refused to give her a killer virus she has proven she can't be trusted with.
Considering how corrupt the Agency is I'm not sure it's any different than killing Stormtroopers.
So none of the lives you listed matter because you don't like them?
How do you know Blake and the other agent are corrupt? and even if they were, they don't deserve to live because of that? Not only that but Riddler can leave Avesta deaf for life.
Harley killed a lot more people out of screen time, she was the one who was going to bomb the bridge in the first place, and we don't know if she killed that guy in Wayne enterprises.
If you didn't take the blame for the Laptop, you discover Bane killed a lot of people in the spa, and we have no idea if they were even related to Sanctus.
Same with Mr Freeze, not only that but he doesn't just kill his victims, he freezes them and then destroys them.
I find it funny how you totally disregarded the civilians who died in the explosion, not only them, but in Season 1 he can cause the death of employees of Arkham Asylum.
And I find it hard to see you not being biased when your greatest argument against Waller is "intended to kill John".
Harley, Riddler, John, Bane and Mr Freeze killed at least one innocent person, that should be enough for Batman to stop them.
I got involved in the fight in season 1 so he wasn't responsible for deaths there that's what we call "determinant"
Also if you took the blame (I'm assuming that's what you meant I haven't played being there With Catwoman in danger )
Bane killed a lot of the Sanctus staff who were completely evil.
Stopping them , arresting them doesn't mean I have to say " Fuck your hereditary disease, fuck your dying wife, and fuck your addiction to a chemical that makes you super dangerous" cure them and lock em up aren't mutually exclusive.
Why do they deserve to be cured? I'm sure there are a lot of people in Gotham way more worth it, why are they so special that they need to get what they wanted even after all they did?¨
And how comes that "the men Bane killed were evil" justifies it? The Pack is not evil? or just because we didn't hear the reasons of the staff of Sanctus means their deaths doesn't matter?
Well I guess it boils down to this do Nazi, and White supremacist lives matter? Some people will say hell no only good Nazi is a dead Nazi. Some people will say we're all human beings and all deserve life equally. And then there's the Nazis opinion on the subject but they don't matter. Sanctus is "just following orders" at best and that isn't a forgiveable excuse. So in this case when there are two evil sides , The Pact (with a T just to be helpful) and Sanctus. Then it doesn't really matter. I absolutely believe John that the agents in the funhouse tried to kill him without provocation. I also believe he shot an unarmed woman in the back and that she was trying to escape not "go for her partners gun". I also believe Waller is a huge malevolent bitch who obviously intended on using the virus for her own aims. I have no doubt she'd either use it to get the pact onto the suicide squad or unleash it on a civilian population and claim it was terrorists and use the fear to consolidate power. Also why they should be helped? Because as the comics, movies,. Video games, animated series, etc has shown . Throwing super villains into Arkham is just a time out. They need true rehabilitation if you want to save future potential victims. (Since New Jersey doesn't have the death penalty and Gotham is in New Jersey) hell if you can perfect a cure for them then you can work on using it safely for others who could use it. Like Alfred. or little Timmy . I
Lol, I am just going to ignore the first part.
This magical cure won't turn anyone good, you think they will say "Oh, thanks for the cure, now I am willingly going to spend the rest of my days in Arkham or in prison without making any fuss", the 3 of them wanted the cure to basically, "enjoy" life, why would Mr Freeze care about Nora if he is never going to see her again? What would Baine enjoy from lacking the addiction if he is in a cage? And Harley is already evil and crazy, the cure will just "stop" that mental disease that will drive her to suicide, what is the point of not wanting suicide if she is going to live and die in prison forever?
Batman is not a fairy grandmother, he doesn't fulfill wishes, he brings justice to Gotham, and justice is not letting employees be murdered and Villains run free because they have a petty reason as to why they kill people.
Cause this is Batman The Telltale Series, Not real life the telltale series there are main characters and unnamed npc's in this game. Which makes the villains important we are going off the assumption Bruce can only make one vial of the cure. As Joker says in the killing joke "There's no difference between me and anyone else all it takes is one bad day". Not saying they deserve a cure but when Batman can help villains he has offered his help in an attempt to appeal to their better natures.
I think both Sanctus/Agency and the pact members are crap and they can all rot. Neither group is justifiable in their actions. Sane or insane, they all suck.
I agree with most of what you wrote; except the part about saving Nora. It is because she is innocent that she is worth saving.
Or we could just kill the villains (or let them die) and not have to worry about them breaking out and killing more innocent people. I think you are wrong that the only people who Harley, Bane, and Freeze killed were Agency/Sanctus people. If I'm right, how does that change your argument?
Your correct. We all know Bane killed innocent people but Freeze and Harley did as well. They murdered witnesses to their thefts early on when Batman first went toe to toe with Bane. Bruce comments on it when he looks into it with Alfred.
You forgot one thing, Batman doesn't kill.
Hence the "or let them die" in parenthesis. I didn't forget.
Just say no to the death penalty.
Well, actually He doesn't do that either.
Unless absolutely unavoidable like Poison Ivy in Arkham Knight, or Ace on Justice league Something or Vicki Vale in season 1 who is probably my favorite character in the ttg Batman universe and second favorite in Batman Multiverse. (Baby Doll is the first)
That's not letting people die, those are accidents. And the only one that matters in that list is Vicki, the others didn't happen in this universe.
Vicki deserved better.
Being beaten by your parents doesn't justify killing other people, she deserved Arkham for life. In fact, those rocks made her a favor.
Whoa whoa. I'mma need your to back the fuck up son. First off her parents were murdered by The mob under orders from Thomas Wayne. Second off Buckaroo Jones. Beaing beaten is to what happened to her as a Disagreeable chap is to a new Nazi serial killer. She , and others were motherfuckin tortured and pray to God it was only just the torture and that there was no sexual assault. Which usually goes hand in hand with torture. Vicki deserved to be saved . She deserved to know that everyone wasn't fucking monsters like the vales and Thomas Wayne. She deserved much much better than Arkham. Because that place was a shithole .
People who are defending Waller just haven't read the comics. In the comics Waller is completely ruthless and isn't above literally torturing the Suicide Squad to get what she wants, and she's been shady the entire season. Plus a large amount of episode 4 was dedicated to showing Waller just wanted to use The Pact to get the virus for herself, not shut down SANCTUS because they were bad. Waller's definitely not 100% on our side.
Before the new 52 ( because I was doing my own DC au creation) has her as actually a dedicated badass. Ruthless yes but she doesn't value her own life either putting herself in harm's way to accomplish the mission including being imprisoned. And doing field work with the Squad. So pre new 52 has some respect from me. Still ruthless though.
What is it with you and nazis? lol.
Now tell me, the people who died in the debate, the police men she killed when transporting her toxins, all the people who died under the people she was bossing (Like everyone Oswald killed), she was going to release every single mad person from Arkham, she ruined Harvey's life forever and tortured Alfred just so she could take vengeance on Bruce, she drugged Montoya, Bruce Wayne and was going to drug a lot more people just so she would have chaos and riots in the streets, all that, because she couldn't move from the past. Didn't all those people deserve better?
She even went nuts when she discovered Bruce was Batman, she was mentally broken, there is no better place than Arkham, and I hardly think Arkham was going to help her, since the fact her parents are dead and her adoptive parents mistreated her is never going away.
So yeah, rocks > spending the rest 40/50 years of her life in Arkham.