Did TTG want us to steal from The Stranger and Arvo?
Because if we don't do either they get half assed reasons to go after Lee and Clementine.
Did Telltale want us to steal from The Stranger and Arvo?
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Because if we don't do either they get half assed reasons to go after Lee and Clementine.
Did Telltale want us to steal from The Stranger and Arvo?
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Yeah, the morally questionable choices tend to be more thought out and serve the story better
Eh, not exactly?
You can agree or disagree on why The Stranger, but I definitely get the vibes that Arvo was at least intended to make a little more sense if you didn't steal from him initially.
Personally, I prefer not to do either. Mostly because of the way it reflects off the player characters and because it makes their later tension with the respective foils & antivillains more complicated.
The Stranger had a fair enough reason to dislike Lee, even if Lee didn't steal from his car. He explains that he was initially mad at Lee's people for stealing, but after he heard of what Clementine went through with Lee, he was disgusted that Lee would put Clementine into risky situations, intentionally or unintentionally, and his anger was then directed towards Lee.
As for Arvo, he seemed to have wanted to stay in the Gift Shop that Jane was trying to open in Episode 4, as why else would he stray away from his group with a bag full of supplies? When Jane threatened him with the gun to never come back, he lost his chance for refuge for him and his sister, as well as his gun, something that is kind of essential to have in the apocalypse, and felt that she needed to pay for taking those things away from him.
When he meets Clementine, he believes she is lying when she says Jane is no longer with the group, but when he sees that they have AJ, a newborn, he seems to be very reluctant to continue threatening the group.
So..... I don't think Telltale wanted us to steal, they wanted us to experience an event that would occur in the apocalypse, so they set up those scenes. It is your choice if you want to steal, not Telltale's
A couple of things on Arvo:
1. I'm gonna go ahead and say that it's very likely that the writing team probably never actually unanimously settled on a fully fleshed out and specific, hard and fast motivation (and possibly even backstory) for Arvo--or at least not before Amid the Ruins had it's story near finalized.
2. If they actually did(which I do believe), what they had planned for expanding on what was agreed on for the penultimate got left on the cutting room floor when Nick Breckon and Pierre Shorette came back.
3. Jason Latino(or whatever that was) revealed a number of things about Arvo and his conceptualization on the Telltale Stream anteceding ANF's premiere. One such this is the idea that, at least from his take, Arvo was planning on running away with Natasha to get her away from the other two. Clementine and Jane just caught him in the process of setting it up.
4. If you wait the whole time rather than approaching Arvo, he eventually realizes that the bag simply won't fit and turns to leave--until he spots Clementine watching him from the around the corner of the cannon.
5. Whether you steal from him or not(preferrable the latter in this case), certain lines of dialogue makes it apparent that confronting the group(or at least stealing from them, even if you did steal) wasn't Arvo's idea and/or he's pretty reluctant to go through with it.
I think I may have named some of those things you listed, but you did a far better job explaining, so cheers
I think TT wanted us to make choices that would affect the entire group, not just Clem. I'm sure they wanted us to make choices that we would later regret. That way is would serve as a more compelling story
Well yea of course. If you would steal, they had reasons/motives to do villain stuff against you.
Essentially.