When you played "A New Frontier" did you play it with YOUR bias towards Clementine?
Or did you play it as Clementine being a total stranger to Javier and don't cater to her every need?
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Or did you play it as Clementine being a total stranger to Javier and don't cater to her every need?
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I played it from Javier's perspective.
But yes, I don't have a bias towards Clementine.
Yah, Conrad was not going to point a gun at my girl's head and live to tell about it. Pretty much the only thing I didn't do for her in Ties That Bind was stay behind with her in the Junkyard. Thought it would be too insensitive of Javi.
As much as I hate to admit it, yeah, I was pretty biased cause it had Clementine.
I started with the mindset that she's a side character....but it changed quickly after she killed that man by accident,the rest is dark history.
Went with Clem in just about every situation in my main playthrough.
As much as I shouldn’t have, I couldn’t help it, I had to side with Clem.
You can't just make a game with new characters that have no development, throw Clem in there as a side character and make players pick between the new characters and a character they've known for years
I sided with Clem on everything except I let David into the warehouse.
I had Clem's back for everything, except killing Conrad and leaving David outside.
I didn't even let David in because Clem told me not to (that and she WAS pointing a gun at me). Seriously though, I vouched for her about Eli, agreed to go with Tripp in the morning, stayed at the junk yard, shot Conrad, didn't let David in, killed Lingard, and went with Clem and Kate to Richmond.
Jesus, my Javi was really Clem's puppet throughout the entire game, I have no regrets.
“What can I say? I fucking love Clementine.”
I mean its kinda impossible not to if you've played the past games.
Like its pretty obvious story wise it makes no sense really, especially in eps 1 and 2, but you only do it because you know things you shouldnt, and you cant help that no matter what. Its like the whole "Ill give you 100 dollars if you dont think of an elephant" and you right away think of an elephant, you cant do anything about it.
Nah, I roleplayed a Javi who only cared about finishing his of the end of the deal with Clem which was getting her the van. Basically acquaintances by forced circumstances.
Everything Javi does in relation to Clem is in relation to the utilitarianism of that deal.
So my Javi stuck up for Clem in the bar shooting (because covering for her in that instance helps their relationship), but my Javi also had no problem throwing Clem to the fire once it's revealed she's actually a (former) member of ANF and feels betrayed. My Javi ends up giving her up to Conrad and the ANF with no remorse and actually just sees her as a lying brat at that point.
It's actually more fun that way. Playing a David who's unrealistically supportive of Clem all the time is incredibly boring and makes no sense. Javi's only true concern is his family. Clem coming before his family in any instance is just bad narration.
I personally didn't find the "Javi and Clem are super best friends!" vibe believable. Maybe towards the end they've sorta become friends but imo it's because of all the shit they went through together but I never saw it as anything deep.
Sure on the first playthrough.
But I advise everyone to replay ANF with being neutral or antagonistic towards Clementine.
I went with Eleanor cause I thought getting there earlier would help... I was wrong. I also let David in because I knew there would be more to the story than Clems side. I sided with her on everything else though, went to save Gabe and David, shot Conrad etc.
Uh..yeah,no thanks.
I can confidently say that I played with no bias toward Clem whatsoever. I prefer to role-play these games, so I tried my best at replicating how a random guy like Javier would act toward Clementine.
To no effect, though. You can tell on Clem at Prescott, leave her to fight TNF alone, sell her out to TNF, call her "nothing but a troublemaker", save David against her wishes, and even stop her from getting AJ's whereabouts, but you still end up as her bff - cutting each other's hair, talking about boys and baseball!
The way I see it the writers quickly realized that very few people were in on this whole thing for anything but Clem, so after the reception of the premiere they completely dropped the whole "animosity towards Clem" concept and defaulted her as this badass side-kick who always has your back. This was plain, boring, unoriginal and the game suffered greatly from it.
i sided with her all the way
I played ANF from Javier's perspective. She was a young teenager with something dark in her eyes which was ironic considering her eyes were a bright hazel. While I let her vouch for herself with the batteries dude, I did try to defend her after she shot the guy. While we were both in the jail cell, I made it clear I regretted backing her up. Thus, I waited to ride out with Tripp in the AM, left her at the junkyard, handed her over to Conrad, and defended David against her.
It was only after she revealed about her loss of AJ that I began to sympathize and empathize with her. She wasn't some savage, radical, lone wolf survivor. Rather, she was just a young girl who lost everything and turned to a dark path in her confusion from loneliness. What if this was Mariana? What if she had lost all of us and was forced into this world alone? Wouldn't I want someone to give her another chance?
From that moment, I listened to Clem a bit. I took a couple of her ideas into consideration. I showed a bit a friendliness. It resulted in a couple light-hearted moments. She saved Gabe for me while I saved Richmond from the mess I created. And in the end, I welcomed her back to Richmond if she found AJ and teased her a bit about her crush on Gabe.
Looking back, this might be the main reason why I don't hate ANF as much as a lot of fans do. While ANF was riddled with flaws, playing it the way I did made the story somewhat fit. It was as smooth as someone learning stick shift on a bumpy road, but it kind of worked. However, the issue with this kind of playthrough is that there is zero replay value. All other options would just feel weird. Unlike all the other seasons, there's no intrigue to make different choices that will still fit the story.
Anyway... TL;DR - No, I did not play ANF with Clem bias. It was the only way to make ANF's story kind of work.
Speaking in absolutes, I see.
I mean, when you put it like thaaat,,,
Uh, which one?
Actually, she tries to act the game's half-hearted advocate FOR going with him for a moment.
Then this game-story would be a skoch more interesting and challenging.
Ah, the Good Ending!
Lucky you--I accurately predicted [way] ahead of time that she'd fuck me outta that one, even with most if not all of my choices already being in proper place.
Pretty much.
I let David in and refused to kill Lingaard. Otherwise I sided with her, but everything else she requested seemed fair enough.
Yeah it's kind of lame that if you even if tried to antagonize Clem the entire season, Telltale still forces Javi to be pretend best friends with her.
That's a huge error in storytelling imo.
First time I always sided with Clem. 2nd time I was still siding with her, but some parts I didn't. Out of the 2, I like the second one better.
I played like I was still Lee and didn't always support Clem. It seemed like she changed and I had to teach her to be a good, honest person again.
Did you tell her not to fuck with Eli? I wanted to be that way too, but I still took her side on it
....Obi-Wan?
Ch'yeah, buddy.
I did at first. I didn't play the final 3 episodes until the season pass went on sale the following December, and I had stopped caring about the game long before that, so I just pressed Y throughout every conversation from 3 to 5. I played Lee the way I would have reacted myself, and I never felt like it wouldn't fit because he was a very well done blank slate character. I played Clementine pretty much the same because the entire first season was built on what she would take away from my actions as Lee. I stopped giving a shit about uncle Javi and his rejects when they wouldn't stop pushing the "these new strangers ARE YAH FAMILY!!1!!one!!"
Save the girl or save your family?
Yea, I acknowledge the entire game as little as possible when it comes to the series.
That sounds kinda similar to my attitude towards the last episode or two.
Understandable, I feel like you have normal people standards though, I'm a fan boy, thank god I play most of my games on Xbox and didn't want to lose my saves because I would've been the idiot who preordered the season. S2 gets a bad rep but fuck it, I enjoyed it, and if TT didn't make me wait to buy ANF until after it launched I probably would have. Outside of Mass Effect, this series probably had me the most invested in it's characters than any other game. This one hit me hard lol
...Eh.
Elaborate, as usual. Sometimes I want to punch you.
I honestly blanked on anything I could say to any of that, at that moment.
Fair enough. I still totally expect this to end like the neo/mr smith fight. Bad cgi DBZ flying and all, and I'm ok with this. I think.
No, but after she shot him, I told the truth about what happened.
Sounds like a Lee thing to do, admittedly.