How the Season 2 endings were resolved: It was the ultimate middle finger to those who played S2, for those who loved Kenny or Jane, and those who expected a huge payoff like Telltale said they would have. It was completely half assed and I’m not sure how they could pass that off and legitimately say they were proud of it.
David’s speech about soldiers to Javi in Ep. 5: Insulting and infuriating are two words that accurately describe this scene for me. David becomes the tool for the writer’s embodiment of how he sees soldiers, that they’re incapable of being husbands and fathers and that the only thing they care about is the battle, the thrill of war, and being a soldier, nothing else. If there was ever a scene to make me quit the game, it would be this, because it is outright degrading.
Crawford: All this buildup, all this hype surrounding this community and its people, on,y to find out that it’s already fallen and filled with walkers. So disappointing.
Well, you didn't have to watch the video bud. And I don't care about the seriousness of my thread, that's not what I'm asking. Scenes from the game you hated the most. That's all I want, not complaints about a video that you didn't even have to watch. You wasted your own time on this one, pal.
The first 10 minutes of Season 2. Although I liked how it gave us a taste of how the season will go, at the time, we didn’t know if they found clementine. So they both get written out not even 10 minutes in? Why does everyone give this a pass but ANF gets the harsh treatment for killing off determinant characters that needed to die? I’m upset how the endings meant nothing too, but let’s be honest, they were determinant, and Telltale couldn’t produce 4 entirely different games with the way they were going. After all, they were originally going to end Season 2 with clementine alone. And it shows in Season 3.
I know. It's just that I expected you to have listed a few yourself rather than a slightly over-long video of a single, arguably played out sentiment when I saw it pop up last night. I mean, I only watched a minute of it, but still!
Also, I was bumping the thread as usual so others would see it, but let's pretend that was totally unintentional, eh'rite?
Well, you didn't have to watch the video bud. And I don't care about the seriousness of my thread, that's not what I'm asking. Scenes from t… morehe game you hated the most. That's all I want, not complaints about a video that you didn't even have to watch. You wasted your own time on this one, pal.
The treatment of determinant characters in Season 2 (Pete, Nick, Sarah etc.)
Jane.
The Garcia Family (Especially Gabe and Kate) except Javier.
The set-up for Crawford's base. After hearing all the bad things they have done in the outbreak, all we get to see is a community destroyed by one pregnant woman and their place being crawled with walkers.
Chuck's death.
Tripp's attitude and motivation. He blames Javier for killing his friend when he is the one who left his own town to die and escape with some strangers he's only met just yesterday.
David's motivation for trying to kill his own brother. I never touched Kate, I sided with him every single time and how do I get repaid? Murder.
ANF flashbacks except for Kenny's in Episode 4.
Eleanor.
Jesus whose purpose was just fanservice for comic/tv fans.
Conrad's screentime treatment in Episode 4 and 5. How is he the best determinant character again? Surviving a whole season means absolutely nothing.
Clementine's motivation for kissing a boy she has only meant like 4 or 2 days ago.
The romances in the entirety of A New Frontier.
Pretty much a lot of things in A New Frontier while I only got less than 10 problems with the first seasons.
To finally make some contribution of my own,
* The Cabin Group's character and story arc(s) being relatively aborted
* Season2!Kenny, … moreJane, and ultimately David hijacking or otherwise derailing the story
* Sarah's ultimate treatment in Amid the Ruins
* ANF!Clementine aka Mini-Jane aka Tangerine or while we're at it, Girl!Gabe
* What Mariana's existence amounted to and more precisely, how it reflected on the story
* How underutilized Kate's character was
* Joan's character derailment overall
* The way Gabe's determinant outburst was handled
* From the Gallows
* The Bad Ending of ANF(or more directly, how it [further] wasted the character in question)
* How Lilith was overall written
* Telltale going out of business in the middle of rushing this series out for good
How is he the best determinant character again? Surviving a whole season means absolutely nothing.
It's not the fact that he can survive to the end of the season that makes him one of the best characters,it's that he had an actual arc unlike most of the characters in this game,and a pretty good one too.
Losing his wife,and then wanting revenge for what happened to Prescott and his wife,finding and determinantly killing the guy who killed his wife.
After that he's lost,he doesn't care about the people in Richmond and wants to leave,he needs some time to figure out who the "new Conrad is" like he said,and i guess he did in the end.
Now compare that to Clementine's arc in ANF..Yikes.
* The outcomes of Season 2 Endings.
* The treatment of determinant characters in Season 2 (Pete, Nick, Sarah etc.)
* Jane.
* The Garcia F… moreamily (Especially Gabe and Kate) except Javier.
* The set-up for Crawford's base. After hearing all the bad things they have done in the outbreak, all we get to see is a community destroyed by one pregnant woman and their place being crawled with walkers.
* Chuck's death.
* Tripp's attitude and motivation. He blames Javier for killing his friend when he is the one who left his own town to die and escape with some strangers he's only met just yesterday.
* David's motivation for trying to kill his own brother. I never touched Kate, I sided with him every single time and how do I get repaid? Murder.
* ANF flashbacks except for Kenny's in Episode 4.
* Eleanor.
* Jesus whose purpose was just fanservice for comic/tv fans.
* Conrad's screentime treatment in Episode 4 and 5. How is he the best determinant… [view original content]
The only time he had development after being saved was in Episode 3. Afterwards, he was completely useless in Episode 4 and 5, he walks away from the group just give room for other characters, he comes back just to save Javier from one guy (determinantly saves him from getting run over by the armored truck) and just disappears in Episode 5, only to be seen at the end reading a fucking book. The only reason he was kept alive is because stupid Telltale thought they could get away from what they did to Kenny and Jane.
How is he the best determinant character again? Surviving a whole season means absolutely nothing.
It's not the fact that he can sur… morevive to the end of the season that makes him one of the best characters,it's that he had an actual arc unlike most of the characters in this game,and a pretty good one too.
Losing his wife,and then wanting revenge for what happened to Prescott and his wife,finding and determinantly killing the guy who killed his wife.
After that he's lost,he doesn't care about the people in Richmond and wants to leave,he needs some time to figure out who the "new Conrad is" like he said,and i guess he did in the end.
Now compare that to Clementine's arc in ANF..Yikes.
I feel strangely compelled to weigh in on this particular point: I personally don't see the problem with this scene. Now you see, I completely understand what you're saying; there have been soldier characters portrayed in that kind of light, and it is kind of degrading and dismissive to what they actually go through. But in David's case, I see his whole thing about soldiers as being his own (flimsy) justification for his actions, not how he genuinely feels, or even necessarily the writer taking a crack at how they perceive soldiers. He's trying to distance/dissociate himself from his family, as if it absolves him of shirking his responsibilities as a husband and father. And also so he doesn't have to reconcile the fact he was smacking his own son around a few minutes earlier. David's clearly established as a guy that tries to run away from his problems (that is, if he can't fight them outright, which you can't exactly do with emotional problems). And further than that, he's also someone who has difficulty accepting things, even when they're right in front of him. When family life got tough for him before the apocalypse, he tried to run away to enlist in the army, tried to get back to a place where he had control over things. I think it's the same basic concept here, except he doesn't have anywhere he can run to physically, so he turns to the next best thing he can do; try to bullshit himself into believing otherwise.
Of course, you're more than allowed to disagree with me on this. Like I said, I honestly get what you're saying, but maybe I'm just seeing/interpreting the scene in a different way than you are.
How the Season 2 endings were resolved: It was the ultimate middle finger to those who played S2, for those who loved Kenny or Jane, and tho… morese who expected a huge payoff like Telltale said they would have. It was completely half assed and I’m not sure how they could pass that off and legitimately say they were proud of it.
David’s speech about soldiers to Javi in Ep. 5: Insulting and infuriating are two words that accurately describe this scene for me. David becomes the tool for the writer’s embodiment of how he sees soldiers, that they’re incapable of being husbands and fathers and that the only thing they care about is the battle, the thrill of war, and being a soldier, nothing else. If there was ever a scene to make me quit the game, it would be this, because it is outright degrading.
Crawford: All this buildup, all this hype surrounding this community and its people, on,y to find out that it’s already fallen and filled with walkers. So disappointing.
David’s speech about soldiers to Javi in Ep. 5
I feel strangely compelled to weigh in on this particular point: I personally don't s… moreee the problem with this scene. Now you see, I completely understand what you're saying; there have been soldier characters portrayed in that kind of light, and it is kind of degrading and dismissive to what they actually go through. But in David's case, I see his whole thing about soldiers as being his own (flimsy) justification for his actions, not how he genuinely feels, or even necessarily the writer taking a crack at how they perceive soldiers. He's trying to distance/dissociate himself from his family, as if it absolves him of shirking his responsibilities as a husband and father. And also so he doesn't have to reconcile the fact he was smacking his own son around a few minutes earlier. David's clearly established as a guy that tries to run away from his problems (that is, if he can't fight them out… [view original content]
The thing is though that the entire game, and even the climax of the final episode, hinges on David's devotion to family. That was the entire theme of the final episode and for a good chunk of the season, family, so when you say it's his way of disassociating himself from family, either I'm just not seeing it that way, or the writer's really had no idea what they were trying to do with his character and the game itself. To me, it still seems like David is being hypocritical, which is a huge problem I have with his character in the final episode because he seems to flip flop every 5 seconds. One second he's nice to Javi, the next he's being a dick, one second he's doubting his own paternal abilities, but then is willing to fight Javi over his family, one second he wants to save Richmond, but then says screw them and, again, says family is all that matters and is only looking to protect them. So when you're trying to play on this theme of the importance of family and the climax of the episode is built on this, throwing a scene like this in there messes with the overall message you're trying to convey.
The thing you must know is that I have had family serve in the military. My cousin served, honorably I might add, in Iraq for several years, he now serves as a police officer, he's married and has two kids that he loves more than anything, and not once has he ever acted in any way like David. So forgive me, but when it comes to matters like this, I don't tend to take things like this lightly. And you can say how the game is only trying to portray David in this way, but when you look at how the scene is worded and executed, to me, it seems like this isn't just who David is, but the embodiment of what the writer sees soldiers as through the character of David. And I'm not the only one to interpret this scene this way, I've seen a few others also say the same thing, whether they be in comments from YouTube or even Dartigan's sins video for ANF.
David’s speech about soldiers to Javi in Ep. 5
I feel strangely compelled to weigh in on this particular point: I personally don't s… moreee the problem with this scene. Now you see, I completely understand what you're saying; there have been soldier characters portrayed in that kind of light, and it is kind of degrading and dismissive to what they actually go through. But in David's case, I see his whole thing about soldiers as being his own (flimsy) justification for his actions, not how he genuinely feels, or even necessarily the writer taking a crack at how they perceive soldiers. He's trying to distance/dissociate himself from his family, as if it absolves him of shirking his responsibilities as a husband and father. And also so he doesn't have to reconcile the fact he was smacking his own son around a few minutes earlier. David's clearly established as a guy that tries to run away from his problems (that is, if he can't fight them out… [view original content]
I could take the easy route and go with ANF, but I think I'll go with the handling of S1's ending in S2. It would've been nice to control either Christa or Omid in S2. Personally, I think it would've made the story a lot more personal and memorable if we played a new father trying to survive the end times while trying to defend his wife, new child, and Clementine.
Instead, a few moments in and we lose Omid. A few moments later, their baby's gone off screen. One quick event later, and we lose Christa. Not that we were particularly attached to any of those characters, but it also set up what would be very similar for the Cabin group.
The scene where Javier burries Mariana in the junkyard. His lines are just so awful and cliché and outright schmaltzy.
I'm sorry I never found you those candy bars. You deserved just so much more life. You should've been the one burrying me.
What makes it even worse is the line-delivery of Javier's VA, though I doubt anyone can get anything out of these lines that doesn't end with me being completely irritated and somewhat annoyed at the same time. The choice of music during that scene is also just ... irritating, to say the least.
I honestly disagree with you about episode 4,he walks away because he wants nothing to do with Richmond,like i said he's lost but then he comes back and probably realized that Richmond is where he needs to be,where he belongs.
I agree about episode 5 though,that episode was completely rushed,i still liked his scene in that episode,but i can't deny they could have done more with him.
The only time he had development after being saved was in Episode 3. Afterwards, he was completely useless in Episode 4 and 5, he walks away… more from the group just give room for other characters, he comes back just to save Javier from one guy (determinantly saves him from getting run over by the armored truck) and just disappears in Episode 5, only to be seen at the end reading a fucking book. The only reason he was kept alive is because stupid Telltale thought they could get away from what they did to Kenny and Jane.
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Ugh. And that goes on for over 7 minutes.
Way to potentially neuter your premise's chance as a serious one, pal. And to think I waited.
How Carver was handled
How Omid was handled
Gabe ( ANF in general)
Season 2 endings and their aftermath.
I suppose what happened aftet he Season 2 endings was the most outragous.
How the Season 2 endings were resolved: It was the ultimate middle finger to those who played S2, for those who loved Kenny or Jane, and those who expected a huge payoff like Telltale said they would have. It was completely half assed and I’m not sure how they could pass that off and legitimately say they were proud of it.
David’s speech about soldiers to Javi in Ep. 5: Insulting and infuriating are two words that accurately describe this scene for me. David becomes the tool for the writer’s embodiment of how he sees soldiers, that they’re incapable of being husbands and fathers and that the only thing they care about is the battle, the thrill of war, and being a soldier, nothing else. If there was ever a scene to make me quit the game, it would be this, because it is outright degrading.
Crawford: All this buildup, all this hype surrounding this community and its people, on,y to find out that it’s already fallen and filled with walkers. So disappointing.
Well, you didn't have to watch the video bud. And I don't care about the seriousness of my thread, that's not what I'm asking. Scenes from the game you hated the most. That's all I want, not complaints about a video that you didn't even have to watch. You wasted your own time on this one, pal.
The first 10 minutes of Season 2. Although I liked how it gave us a taste of how the season will go, at the time, we didn’t know if they found clementine. So they both get written out not even 10 minutes in? Why does everyone give this a pass but ANF gets the harsh treatment for killing off determinant characters that needed to die? I’m upset how the endings meant nothing too, but let’s be honest, they were determinant, and Telltale couldn’t produce 4 entirely different games with the way they were going. After all, they were originally going to end Season 2 with clementine alone. And it shows in Season 3.
I know. It's just that I expected you to have listed a few yourself rather than a slightly over-long video of a single, arguably played out sentiment when I saw it pop up last night. I mean, I only watched a minute of it, but still!
Also, I was bumping the thread as usual so others would see it, but let's pretend that was totally unintentional, eh'rite?
Pretty much a lot of things in A New Frontier while I only got less than 10 problems with the first seasons.
To finally make some contribution of my own,
Well it's certainly been a long time coming for that
fucking anf man
The real question is where Michonne would be in this picture
My vote's with it being a weird looking homeless person peeking out from a corner, smoking a cigarette and staring intently at everyone else
It's not the fact that he can survive to the end of the season that makes him one of the best characters,it's that he had an actual arc unlike most of the characters in this game,and a pretty good one too.
Losing his wife,and then wanting revenge for what happened to Prescott and his wife,finding and determinantly killing the guy who killed his wife.
After that he's lost,he doesn't care about the people in Richmond and wants to leave,he needs some time to figure out who the "new Conrad is" like he said,and i guess he did in the end.
Now compare that to Clementine's arc in ANF..Yikes.
The only time he had development after being saved was in Episode 3. Afterwards, he was completely useless in Episode 4 and 5, he walks away from the group just give room for other characters, he comes back just to save Javier from one guy (determinantly saves him from getting run over by the armored truck) and just disappears in Episode 5, only to be seen at the end reading a fucking book. The only reason he was kept alive is because stupid Telltale thought they could get away from what they did to Kenny and Jane.
...It'd been a nearly a day, most of which I was absent?
Unless you're referencing something else.
I feel strangely compelled to weigh in on this particular point: I personally don't see the problem with this scene. Now you see, I completely understand what you're saying; there have been soldier characters portrayed in that kind of light, and it is kind of degrading and dismissive to what they actually go through. But in David's case, I see his whole thing about soldiers as being his own (flimsy) justification for his actions, not how he genuinely feels, or even necessarily the writer taking a crack at how they perceive soldiers. He's trying to distance/dissociate himself from his family, as if it absolves him of shirking his responsibilities as a husband and father. And also so he doesn't have to reconcile the fact he was smacking his own son around a few minutes earlier. David's clearly established as a guy that tries to run away from his problems (that is, if he can't fight them outright, which you can't exactly do with emotional problems). And further than that, he's also someone who has difficulty accepting things, even when they're right in front of him. When family life got tough for him before the apocalypse, he tried to run away to enlist in the army, tried to get back to a place where he had control over things. I think it's the same basic concept here, except he doesn't have anywhere he can run to physically, so he turns to the next best thing he can do; try to bullshit himself into believing otherwise.
Of course, you're more than allowed to disagree with me on this. Like I said, I honestly get what you're saying, but maybe I'm just seeing/interpreting the scene in a different way than you are.
There's also the fact that it clearly telegraphs where what can be called the story direction is going in the eleventh hour.
The thing is though that the entire game, and even the climax of the final episode, hinges on David's devotion to family. That was the entire theme of the final episode and for a good chunk of the season, family, so when you say it's his way of disassociating himself from family, either I'm just not seeing it that way, or the writer's really had no idea what they were trying to do with his character and the game itself. To me, it still seems like David is being hypocritical, which is a huge problem I have with his character in the final episode because he seems to flip flop every 5 seconds. One second he's nice to Javi, the next he's being a dick, one second he's doubting his own paternal abilities, but then is willing to fight Javi over his family, one second he wants to save Richmond, but then says screw them and, again, says family is all that matters and is only looking to protect them. So when you're trying to play on this theme of the importance of family and the climax of the episode is built on this, throwing a scene like this in there messes with the overall message you're trying to convey.
The thing you must know is that I have had family serve in the military. My cousin served, honorably I might add, in Iraq for several years, he now serves as a police officer, he's married and has two kids that he loves more than anything, and not once has he ever acted in any way like David. So forgive me, but when it comes to matters like this, I don't tend to take things like this lightly. And you can say how the game is only trying to portray David in this way, but when you look at how the scene is worded and executed, to me, it seems like this isn't just who David is, but the embodiment of what the writer sees soldiers as through the character of David. And I'm not the only one to interpret this scene this way, I've seen a few others also say the same thing, whether they be in comments from YouTube or even Dartigan's sins video for ANF.
The death of Sam's dad in Michonne really got under my skin. That shit was so forced, you could file a sexual assault charge against it.
Cheezits, all I saw was "Sam's sexual assault charge" at first.
I could take the easy route and go with ANF, but I think I'll go with the handling of S1's ending in S2. It would've been nice to control either Christa or Omid in S2. Personally, I think it would've made the story a lot more personal and memorable if we played a new father trying to survive the end times while trying to defend his wife, new child, and Clementine.
Instead, a few moments in and we lose Omid. A few moments later, their baby's gone off screen. One quick event later, and we lose Christa. Not that we were particularly attached to any of those characters, but it also set up what would be very similar for the Cabin group.
The scene where Javier burries Mariana in the junkyard. His lines are just so awful and cliché and outright schmaltzy.
I'm sorry I never found you those candy bars.
You deserved just so much more life.
You should've been the one burrying me.
What makes it even worse is the line-delivery of Javier's VA, though I doubt anyone can get anything out of these lines that doesn't end with me being completely irritated and somewhat annoyed at the same time. The choice of music during that scene is also just ... irritating, to say the least.
I honestly disagree with you about episode 4,he walks away because he wants nothing to do with Richmond,like i said he's lost but then he comes back and probably realized that Richmond is where he needs to be,where he belongs.
I agree about episode 5 though,that episode was completely rushed,i still liked his scene in that episode,but i can't deny they could have done more with him.