Who did worse? Lilly in Season 1 or Marlon in Season 4?
Both characters were good people who did wrong but they had good intentions for the group, Lilly accidentally kills Doug and Carly, Marlon accidentally kills Brody.
Marlon also sold Tenn's siblings to raiders for protection plus framed Clementine for Brody's death.
Who did worse? Who do you show sympathy more?
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I think Lily was worse because at least Marlon had good intentions when he was doing these evil things, whereas Lilly did what she did because she couldn’t handle being called names
Lilly did not accidentally kill Carley lol.
Lilly didn’t accidentally kill Carley she intended to do it, whereas Doug’s death was more accidental when she tried to shoot Ben.
Season one Lilly:
Marlon:
Season one Lilly & Marlon have done a lot of bad things, but if I had to pick between one of them for being the worst it would have to be Lilly in season one. At the very least Marlon admitted that he was wrong for his actions near the end of episode one in TFS, but that doesn’t exclude him for the terrible deeds that he’s done too, and Lilly hasn’t shown any remorse for any of her actions except killing Carley or Doug. She tries to explain that she did it for the group, but it ends up being a weak excuse to save herself.
Besides season one Lilly, her character in general is already the worst because of everything that she’s doing in TFS.
Marlon. In a heartbeat.
What Lilly did was despicable, but at least she didn't plan it for days and days on end. It was a decision based on momentary anger and her ever growing paranoia, but most importantly, a decision she immediately owned.
When you look at Marlon though you see the real deal. An outright remorseless sociopath. Refuses to own his mistake and instead decides to pin it on someone else, as well as attempting to murder that same person in one of the most gruesome ways imaginable. After that fails, he still makes no apologies, lies, and attempts to have that person killed again. Not to mention his original intent of literally fattening two humans up for trafficking. Promise them walls, food, protection while planning all along to sell them to what could be murderers, salvers or worse.
Either deserve to be shunned for what they did and neither have an excuse, but Marlon had complete and utter premeditation. He had the option to do the right thing laid out to him for a good long time, but he never took it. That makes his actions easily the worse, in my perspective.
Marlon did worse.
Lilly is technically the one I've felt more sympathy for.
And that’s why she’s still single.
Lilly - No remorse = no soul
Marlon only showed remorse when he got exposed
They're both stupid but Lilly did worse. For one thing she's a full grown adult and Marlon was still a teenager. Also at the very least you can tell that Marlon does feel guilty for his actions with his little speech towards the end whereas Lilly, while shocked over her own actions, doesn't seem to show any remorse whatsoever.
The amount of people saying Lilly then was worse than Marlon was recently is staggering.
Then again, it's a bad boy who dies admitting defeat vs a butter faced woman in her 30s, so....
How can anyone say what Lilly did was worse than Marlon wtf ?
The dude knew what he was doing the whole time,he promised Clem and AJ they were safe,but he was planning to trade them to the raiders,then he kills Brody like a fucking psycho because she told Clem of what he did.
he locks up Clem in the basement alone with a walker,then when she gets out he's trying to convince everyone else that Clem killed Brody so that he can kills her and no one finds out what really happened.
And just because he was scared and he apologized that makes it ok ? Get outta here.
Lilly had good intentions,she tried to keep the group together even after losing her father,she never planned to kill Clem or Lee,she never lied to anyone,i have more sympathy for her than Marlon,so yeah what Marlon did was way worse.
I don't think he planned for that. In his mind the raiders were gone after giving them the twins.
I think he told Brody he was gonna give Clem and AJ away to them after Clem encountered Abel; he probably realised the raiders are back.
That sounds about right.
And that’s supposed to make it all better... how?
Definitely saying Lily, Marlon seemed a bit more tragic to me
Both characters killed someone in a fit of rage. I do find it interesting that the comparison is being made, and is so divisive as it's not usually the case. Ben had staunch defenders when he caused the deaths of essentially Duck, Katja, and Chuck. ( Potentially more choices depending. ) Sarah has defenders for Reggie's death, and some pretty bad choices. Clementine has a brick wall following even though she killed the man who sold her not so faulty ammunition. The most common defense is because they're not adults, however most won't defend Marlon on the same principle.
So which is it, and is it fair to compare only season 1 Lily with Marlon? Season 1 Lily was still dealing with the very early days of the outbreak. Marlon's been attempting to survive for years, and suffered far more loss. Marlon surrendered the twins hoping to save everyone else, and initially wanted to go back for them before he rationalized it could and likely would cost them more than 2 people. He didn't intentionally kill Brody, although he certainly did.
Season 1 Lily kills someone in cold blood whether it's Carley for mouthing off, or Doug who dies for Ben. She'd have killed a teenage boy. By the time she's experienced the same length of time that we're judging Marlon on, she's a part of a slave community at war with another community. She and her companion shoot at Clementine and shoot AJ. She does nothing while her companion openly starts torturing what amounts to a kindergartner. What Marlon does is awful, impulsive ( which a ton of defenders for AJ shooting an unarmed boy don't seem to mind ), and he is crushed by Brody's death.
I'd have to ultimately go with those who say Lily.
He just wanted to help Clem and AJ and take care of the kids in Ericson ?
I think Lily’s worse. It’s her fault that Marlon gave the twins away in the first place. She’s the one who probably threatened him and made him do it
I'm talking about Lilly from Season 1. Not Lilly now. Lilly from S1 when she killed Doug and Carley
Fuck Marlon.
Stop. The twins weren't the only kids he was trading off. Remember all the other kids that "died going out of the safe zone"?
Lily's role as a raider is irrelevant because if it she didn't personally interrogate him, the others would have.
I actually have no sympathy for Lily and I plan on killing her the moment is offered to me, but even the context of her wrongdoing is actually not that bad in comparison to Marlon. In my playthrough she kills Doug, something that she obviously didn't intend and is ultimately a circumstance of passionate manslaughter. Marlon is not a child, he is a conscious teenager of age who deliberately indulges in human trafficking and slaughter and lies without a second thought as long as it personally saves his own skin.
It's implied that Lilith either wasn't with the Deltas yet or simply wasn't involved in the original deal with Marlon.
Abel was, though.
Marlon. Lilly wasn't giving her people away for safety.
Nah, it was only the twins.
Otherwise Brody or Lilly or someone would have mentioned more kids.
The safezone was there before he traded kids, then he shrinked it to avoid meeting with the raiders again.
@SavageClemmy
I'm honestly wondering what the heck is up with that, now.