Which shitbird do you prefer? Ben Paul or Gabe Garcia
Two of the most hated characters and both divided the fan base, but which shit bird do you prefer? Both are pretty much useless but at least Gabe has some bravery and kills some Walkers plus he doesn't leave a child to be killed by Walkers like Ben has done to Clem twice
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I like both, but Gabe is the more dynamic character.
I prefer Ben. At least he's somewhat competant. Gabe literally fucks up everything. I gave him the chance to prove himself by letting him help Kate and he fucked that up. Gives Javi shit for not killing Conrad. Put it simply, fuck Gabe
Anything but Gabe....
Of course I prefer Ben. He may have screwed up big time but at least he admitted his mistakes and wanted to improve himself. I even gave Gabe a chance to become a man and this is how he repays me? By ratting me out for killing someone for the sake of his fucking life?
Conclusion: FUCK GABE!!!
What are you talking about exactly?
Uh, you do know that applies to Gabe as well, right?
imagine unironically liking gabe
Dude, in episode 2 he grabs the alcohol instead of the water and then he runs away, like a little bitch.
@Joshua1991 You should take another look at your title
If we looks at things from a technical perspective, Ben is the reason why the majority of the crew died due to the fact that they would be in different places at different times during the time where they would have originally died, so here’s of the list of people who could have died because of Ben: Charley/Doug, Chuck, Ben himself, Omid (because he wouldn’t have ran into Michelle and she wouldn’t have taken Clementien’s gun if he did due to the fact that they wouldn’t have met) Lee and possibly even Marlon, Eli, Kenny/Jane and a lot more. So basically time is a factor, and if the group would have left the motor inn if they had time and an actual plan things might not have turned out quite as bad as the things that caused these deaths might not have been there at that moment, or they would have moved to a different place entirely, for example if they had the RV I believe they would have driven through Savannah for a quick look, and since everyone is dead and Clementine gets to make her own decisions, she chose to make her way to Prescott, killing Eli, and to Ericsson with AJ, killing Marlon.
In short Ben’s decision at the motor inn caused a lot more deaths than Gabe ever did. I can’t exactly think of who is better, but when you think that Lee could have died because of Ben it’s kind of hard not to pick Gabe.
Gabe never apologized to his uncle for throwing him under the bus and still made stupid mistakes afterwards, like choosing to go with his father despite how much he mentioned his hatred towards him in Episode 5. Gabe had ZERO reasons to give me shit after everything I've done for him.
Gabe apologizes when you go out to get the truck. It’s either when you’re pushing it or an optional dialogue option when you approach him in the hub but he does apologise. And he didn’t exactly mention that he hated his dad, like in episode 4 he tried to risk his life to save his, and Gabe goes on to mention he only went with his dad to help make him a better person.
Gabe apologized in my game after I asked him what his problem is at the motor depot hub area
That's like a half apology because there are unused lines for Gabe to fully apologize Javi, he still didn't regret doing it because when pushing the truck, Gabe still came up with childish arguments.
I said that he complained about his father through episode 5, not 4.
That isn't enough when he just broke one of his friends' arm when Fern was about to put the gun away and didn't even let her say goodbye if you didn't chop Rufus' arm right in front of his son. David even hit Gabe on his face with a wrench.
To be fair, that wasn't really on him. And he stuck around initially anyway, despite clearly being disturbed by it on top of being broken up about Mariana.
As has been mentioned by now, Gabe does apologize in both hub area and on the bridge. ...I mean, he does those regardless, but you know.
On David though, that was actually a plan to convince David to keep the family together on his own terms. He realized that David has some serious problems himself and believed family, as the "most important" thing to him, was ultimately what he needed. That's not being stupid--that's accepting who your loved ones are despite their gaping flaws.
Is that so? First time I'm hearing that.
To be fair, that's one of few good things to come outta that fail, at least depending on your dialogue.
And again, I think that dialogue happens regardless of the exact Conrad situation.
Again, Gabe wasn't being stupid.
Still a little too idealistic? Sure.
Naive? More or less.
But not stupid.
Ben.
Gabe is just..sigh so many things wrong with this little brat seriously,
in concept i like his character,the kid that's trying really hard and all that,but i hate his fucking design,and i just hate what they did with him,they really had no idea what they were doing with him until episode 5,it's sad really.
Oh and let's not forget pushing the Gabentine shit on us after episode 3,that really didn't help.
So did Javi and he didn't screw it up. Sure, you can say he's just a kid. But that's more of an explanation, not an excuse. Point is, Gabe fucking sucks.
Nah, I definitely feel like they did, but they rewrote the story so many times that most of whatever direct developments beyond maybe him accepting David has problems got lost in the shuffle.
It didn't help that Telltale sealed the deal on their inability to have your relationships pay off cohesively with what was the perfect candidate to prove otherwise.
Eh, I blame Tangerine more, personally.
But really, its on the "fans."
Just because there are unused lines don’t mean that it’s half of n apology, these characters don’t see the lines laid out for them whether they’re what is or what could have been, it’s not like he thought “well I could say this, but nah, might as well not say that now” also I mentioned episode 5 and how the complaints weren’t complaints, they were signs of concern, such as when he mentions to Javier that he wants to fix him, with Javier backing him up on that. In all honesty, it’s probably about time people stop seeing characters as just coding and script and start seeing them as people who have nothing to do with the development process.
But what if somebody pulled a gun on one of your siblings, if you have any? Would you sit and let them do it or would you actually do something? He broke her arm when she had the gun, remember? I think David was mostly in the right, he was defending his family from a women who was about to kill them all
No it's not,this is their fault completely,well first of all pushing a romance with Gabe and Clem,that was a bad idea to begin with,Clem was a side character and we were playing as Javier so obviously some people weren't going to be happy with that.
But even if they wanted to make "Gabentine" a thing,at least make it seem..i don't know natural,the entire "romance" was trash,they're just shoving it down your throat after episode 3 it's awful.
You can't blame the fanbase for that.
Holy shit, what an oxymoronic conundrum of a cyclical failure.
To be fair, he didn't have to break her arm in order to neutralize her.
Not to mention he tried to kill her afterwards.
Uh, yes I fuckin can.
I can blame Telltale for stooping that low as well, most definitely, but there kinda has to be shit in the gutter for you reach in. And as Long Road Of head for 1 reps, Telltale definitely takes fan reaction & impressions into account when writing & rewriting subsequent episodes.
And when your fanbase has a documented habit of being not only rabidly vindictive at times(in a multiverse of ways), but loved to bite the hand that feeds them more often than not...well, let's just say I ain't feelin very understanding today.
Okay, so...I'm going to go half way on this.
On one hand, yes, they did clearly shove the idea quite hard in a few select places.
On the other hand, you could easily cut(or better yet, just not include) those things and everything else that supposedly goes along with it would be objectively neutral and just a part of the character. Also, people would still complain because that's what they do, but that'd just be on them.
In summary: it's a fandom problem that Telltale decided in their historically sound judgment to make a legit problem. And that's terrible.
I still don't agree but whatever,let's move on.
I can hardly speak my own language, how am I supposed to know what that means?
Not to mention he tried to kill her afterwards.
He didn’t have to but it was the easiest way to get the gun out of her hand, and he was going to shoot her afterwards because she was moving in the direction of her gun, so like I said it’s either shoot her to protect your entire family or leave her to murder everyone.
It means not only is that a bit odd for some to grasp since, you know, some of that's ultimately what it is, but also that Telltale sometimes makes it legitimately hard to get confidently invested at times.
Uh...no. No it wasn't.
...Okay, "easiest," to a violent meathead like him, I guess it's technically true, but we also know he could've easily disarmed her without more or less disarming her.
I disagree, but then I guess that's just me not being in a war.
But since we're on that, how the hell did he even see her moving near the thing anyway?
Name one good, safe way, where you can disarm someone without the risk of being shot and without making sure she could grab the gun with her good arm. I’ll wait here. Besides, what’s wrong with you and arguing against people who were arguing for you in the first place? We’re both trying to make people see Gabe in a different light, and making his beliefs come across as questionable considering you believe he was trying to stick up for that “meathead” by making David’s actions less justifiable than they already are is not helping your point.
Because he was looking at her
Max.
Also, hold onto said gun after she no longer has it.
Huh. I think we just flew off in a side tangent about David being privileged jackass, tbh. That's just conversations can go at times, it seems.
As for how it relates to Gabe, I mean, he personally stopped David that time and that led to it being spelled out to him just how overly kneejerk he is. Him recognizing that and how it makes his own family see him is arguably what convinces Gabe that it's something he can't exactly help by himself and that's why he needs help.
I wish that I was even 1% of a man that Ben Paul was.
Nobody was around when Max was disarmed, so nothing too drastic needed to be done. Even when David did grab Max’s gun, you heard a gunshot, and that could have hit anybody, whereas breaking Fern’s arm prevented that
Keep in mind that he and Max were on the offensive and ended actively struggling for control of the gun; Fern was too broken at the moment to even notice David grabbing her arm and he pointed up & away from anyone else at a similar angle before breaking her arm.
Out of the 2, I would prefer Ben. Yes he screwed up, but he isn't an actual shitbird like Gabe. During the voting where you let Ben
stay or leave, Clem votes Ben to stay and said he is her friend. That says Ben isn't all that bad. Also the part where you let go or save Ben in the tower. When you return home without him, Clem gets depressed that her friend is now gone, also follow by, she learned the plan was to never find her parents, which made her even more depressed, and starts crying. This is the part where Lee wakes up and notices she went missing. Goes find her and gets bit.
Gabe is a shitbird from the very beginning even when he was little. First time playing it, with his attitude, immediately tells me we have a very difficult person to deal with over here.
Ben.
The motor inn woulda been taken eventually anyway, so I don't really blame him for that. Leaving Clem while she was being attacked by walkers is a side eye, but understandable moment I guess. He wasn't that bad as people thought he was at that time.
Now when it comes to gabe, I just don't like the whole season 3 to begin with so yea
AJ xD
fuck gabe
Yes I can finally reply! I agree.
Oh hey.
What happened?
I prefer Ben, but in all fairness to Gabe it's mostly out of disappointment and my own expectations of Gabe. Meeting Ben, I had no expectations so that did put an unfair burden on Gabe.
Ben atleast eventually came off as someone fucking up trying to help. Gabe somehow survived 4 years, and was still as stereotypically asshole as most of the kids his age playing this, while being as useless as most normal kids playing this. Fuck, even Carl developed into a character over the course of the show and resembled someone who had grown up in so many years of human collapse. Gabe seemed like he fell straight out of 9th grade into his "I'm relatable, but fuck years of established history" remarkably stupid character arc. The most impressive feat he accomplished was offering to shoot himself after he got bit. Ben, by a landslide and then a super volcano eruption.
Gabe. Gabe was annoying, but Ben was a coward who couldn't tell his ass from his elbow and got people killed.
Don’t care about any of them.