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For us to use as a follow up to the now defunct The Walking Dead forums. :)

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  • IronWoodLoverIronWoodLover

    Following up on the "What Could've Made The Final Season Better?" thread:

    @Wheres_Dinner posted: »
    I totally get what you're saying, but it has been 9 years. Lilly was probably on her own for a long long time before finding the Delta. People change fast when they're surviving by themselves. I don't know if you watch the show, but Rick forbid his group from killing people in S1. Even he wanted to avoid taking human life. S3 -- Rick is killing people and leaving some to be eaten alive. And S1-S3 take place within 10 months. Rick changed his entire outlook on life in such a short time and he had his family and friends. Lilly had nobody. She would've changed quickly to survive. No doubt she's done some pretty ruthless between S1 and S4. Clem isn't the same person she was in S1. She changed every season -- becoming more and more ruthless. Lilly did too -- just off screen. Which is why so many think her behavior in S4 is so out of character.

    This is all "valid" in a way, and it's somewhat believable that 9 years prior, Lilly should be a widely different person. The issue is though that no attempt is made to connect the Lilly who brainwashes and traffics kids to fight in a pointless war, to the Lilly we have in Season 1, and the player just shouldn't be tasked with filling the almost a decade long gap between S1 and TFS.

    Now I understand TFS didn't have the budget to depict on screen whatever Lilly had been through in the gap, and also that the writers couldn't be bothered throwing a few hints here and there, but there is a simple solution to this problem - just don't bring Lilly back. It would make no difference. It seems as if her return's purpose is solely to snarkily namedrop Lee a couple times in Episode 2. They seemed to hint at Clem's relationship with her being touched upon by the end of episode 2 (determinantly!), but that never got a follow up. Finally, with how much they underutilized her, you really struggle to see the point.

    She felt like this cardboard villain who they didn't attempt to humanize or give depth to. Her relationships with her mates are also barely there, we are also supposed to figure out by ourselves the whole Delta dynamic. Even her motivations and modus operandi seem to be kinda questionable once she starts maiming and attempting to kill the kids that are supposedly the cannon fodder for her war. It is all a great misdeed to the character Lilly was in Season 1. Telling fans to "just imagine what she went through in all those years!" doesn't fix many of these issues, unfortunately : /.

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