Is LeChuck really Guybrush's brother?

edited October 2009 in Tales of Monkey Island
or was that all just part of his evil voodoo spell or just a lie at the end of MI2?

What's the official word on this?
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  • edited October 2009
    The official word is....

    It was all a hallucination. (see MI3)

    They're probably not brothers.
  • edited October 2009
    And if they are, theyre probably just half brothers. I have one and you want, you can safely pretend theyre not-a-brother. Its true! When my half-newphew and half-niece are full-brats, I can say Im only a half-a-uncle and the situation gets toned down a good 50 or so %. (Give it a go, its pretty fun, really.)
  • edited October 2009
    If they are brothers, it's something they never mentioned again. In that CMI chapter which is basically just one big conversation with LeChuck, there's no mention of it.
  • bai_ganyobai_ganyo Banned
    edited October 2009
    That's because Ron Gilbert, MI's father, did not work on any of the sequels. I once read in an interview, he might do another MI game and reveal the secret of MI and Big Woop, you probably can find that somewhere in the net.
  • edited October 2009
    yes yes i know
  • edited October 2009
    Weeeell... They might be brothers, but since they don't like each other, they choose to keep quiet about it and not mention it to anyone. It's embarrassing really for both of them.

    Or they might not be brothers, but that's a bit boring.
  • edited October 2009
    Fury wrote: »
    The official word is....

    It was all a hallucination. (see MI3)

    They're probably not brothers.

    agree
  • edited October 2009
    i prefer to think that it was all a lie by LeChuck to help put guybrush off balance to allow his voodoo to work more effectively at the end.

    i think it's GREAT if they're just two enemy pirates who are unrelated. i hate the Lost/star wars storyline syndrome when it turns out all the main characters are needlessly related to each other, even though it serves no purpose or helps the story in anyway (darth vader made c3p0? really? how does that help the story AT ALL??) . it doesnt make it feel more intense or anything to me, it just feels cliche`. relations for relations sake.

    not every conflict has to have a family aspect to it to make it an epic conflict.

    imo
  • edited October 2009
    Duate wrote: »
    i prefer to think that it was all a lie by LeChuck to help put guybrush off balance to allow his voodoo to work more effectively at the end.

    i think it's GREAT if they're just two enemy pirates who are unrelated. i hate the Lost/star wars storyline syndrome when it turns out all the main characters are needlessly related to each other, even though it serves no purpose or helps the story in anyway (darth vader made c3p0? really? how does that help the story AT ALL??) . it doesnt make it feel more intense or anything to me, it just feels cliche`. relations for relations sake.

    not every conflict has to have a family aspect to it to make it an epic conflict.

    imo

    Come to think of it, wasn't it really just another parody of Darth Vader's "Luke, I am your father!"? Monkey Island does to Lucasart what the Simpsons do to FOX. ("It belongs in a museum!" "Im selling these fine leather jackets..." "*Balancing Murray's and Santino's skulls to measure their weight.*")
  • edited October 2009
    I think the "official word" is that they are not. Otherwise we probably wouldn't be getting MI sequels.

    In CMI they wrote the whole "Guybrush and LeChuck are brothers and MI is all really a fantasy in the mind of a child" plot away as just a spell LeChuck put over Guybrush as a means to lure Guybrush into LeChuck's Carnival of the Dammed. There are really two canons, the Ron Gilbert canon and post-MI2 canon. I think you'll find the "official word" from LucasArts and Telltale is that the post-MI2 canon applies. The player really has to make a choice for which they believe. I personally believe in the post-MI2 canon set up in CMI. I thought the ending for MI2 was stupid and just trying to get a few chuckles by parodying Star Wars. However there are legions of MI2 fans who think otherwise, and believe that one day Ron Gilbert will return and lead them to the promised land.

    Good luck with that one guys ;)
  • edited October 2009
    Ron Gilbert said in an interview, when he was asked if they were brothers, that "they're brothers but they're not really brothers", or something along those lines. Make of that what you will.
  • edited October 2009
    StarEye wrote: »
    Ron Gilbert said in an interview, when he was asked if they were brothers, that "they're brothers but they're not really brothers", or something along those lines. Make of that what you will.

    Sounds like Morgan saying "You need to get on Flotsam.. without stepping foot on Flotsam."
    "Hey, that sounds like a puzzle! See? Your warming up to my schtick."
  • edited October 2009
    When I first played CMI, I was surprised at how the "brothers" issue was never mentioned. But when you go with "post-MI2 canon" - which I do, until I hear otherwise from Mr. Gilbert -, the most logical explanation would be that LeChuck just made Guybrush believe he was his brother, and it was all part of the Carnival of the Damned. We'll never know for sure, because of the gap between the end of MI2 and the beginning of CMI, but I like to go with that.

    So, they're not really brothers, but Guybrush believed it for a while - that goes pretty well with what Ron Gilbert said, don't you think? ;)
  • edited October 2009
    Much as I love Curse, I was always rather fond of LeChuck's Revenge's ending, and never really liked how much they brushed it under the carpet. I don't mean they shouldn't have gone with Monkey Island, but they could at least have left some ambiguity in it.

    Imagine if the final battle of Curse, rather than use-pepper-on-LeChuck, was a psychological battle: LeChuck trying to drag Guybrush back into the real world, Guybrush holding on for dear life to his determination that the pirate world is real. It could end with Guybrush defeating LeChuck, and with him his doubts. Marrying Elaine could almost be like tying himself to this world. As in him deciding that, real or fantasy, he's going to stick with this life because it's real to him. A little like the ending of the original British Life On Mars,
    but without the suicide.
  • edited October 2009
    Imagine if the final battle of Curse, rather than use-pepper-on-LeChuck, was a psychological battle: LeChuck trying to drag Guybrush back into the real world, Guybrush holding on for dear life to his determination that the pirate world is real. It could end with Guybrush defeating LeChuck, and with him his doubts. Marrying Elaine could almost be like tying himself to this world. As in him deciding that, real or fantasy, he's going to stick with this life because it's real to him.
    Wow, that's an interesting point of view! So, LeChuck would always return to drag Guybrush back into the "real world", and taking Elaine away from him would only be a means of taking the "pirate world" from him?
    I might actually be able to live with that, though I could never imagine the whole SMI and MI2 plots just being a kid's dream.
  • edited October 2009
    BeeKay84 wrote: »
    Wow, that's an interesting point of view! So, LeChuck would always return to drag Guybrush back into the "real world", and taking Elaine away from him would only be a means of taking the "pirate world" from him?
    I might actually be able to live with that, though I could never imagine the whole SMI and MI2 plots just being a kid's dream.

    Well, the ending of MI2 implies that "Chuckie" was sent by his parents to get Guybrush back. Naturally, little Guybrush would see this as a threat, and so he'd turn his brother into the Ghost/Zombie Pirate LeChuck.

    But they don't even have to say it's one or the other: just leave it ambiguous. As in have Guybrush choose his piratey world regardless of whether or not it's actually real.
  • edited October 2009
    LeChuck is Guybrush's brother and Elaine is his sister.
  • edited October 2009
    LeChuck is Guybrush's brother and Elaine is his sister.

    So LeChuck and Guybrush are contemplating doing things with their own sister? A little sick.
  • edited October 2009
    bai_ganyo wrote: »
    That's because Ron Gilbert, MI's father
    If he's MI's father, then technically they are brothers, right?
  • edited October 2009
    in my eyes they are not brothers.was just a trick le chuck used to fool guybrush into thinking he was a modern day kid.sure ron didnt do CMI or EMI but there still MI games damnit!
  • edited October 2009
    So LeChuck and Guybrush are contemplating doing things with their own sister? A little sick.
    Eww....
    Bobbin wrote: »
    If he's MI's father, then technically they are brothers, right?
    Sounds logical! Good thinking! ;)
  • edited October 2009
    the ending of mi2 was not ambiguous.

    guybrush and lechuck are not brothers.

    guybrush's parents' skeletons are not lying beneath the carnival of the damned.

    guybrush is not a boy imagining that he is a pirate.

    if ron gilbert intended for there to be any ambiguity, little lechuck wouldn't have played to the camera and there would not have been a scene of elaine waiting for guybrush.
  • edited October 2009
    yeah, that brother thing was big gag on LucasArts. The whole Star War universe is to big to NOT make fun of. I do not believe they are brothers, although sometimes it seems they fight as if they were.
  • edited October 2009
    In order for the voodoo doll to work on LeChuck (which it apparently does), the skeletons that Guybrush identifies as his own parents must also be relatives of LeChuck. I don't think there's anything that implies that LeChuck is "faking" when he is torn in half by the voodoo doll. That whole sequence is rather surreal, so it's hard to nail down any "real" meaning to it
  • edited October 2009
    Notice also the interesting comment LeChuck makes "in your case the orphanage" so could this mean that Guybrush was as orphan as his REAL parents are dead? and that Guybrush was actually adopted by Chuckies parents and that makes them HALF brothers?
  • edited October 2009
    Is Morgan Le Flay Elaine's sister?

    Because in Arthurian legend, Elaine's sister is "Morgan Le Fay."
  • edited October 2009
    Tpravetz wrote: »
    Is Morgan Le Flay Elaine's sister?

    Because in Arthurian legend, Elaine's sister is "Morgan Le Fay."

    I sure hope not, the whole Hermit Toothrot is her grandfather scenario didn't exactly please fans in general. I think that it's best if this game avoid any twists that deal with characters being related.
  • edited October 2009
    if ron gilbert intended for there to be any ambiguity, little lechuck wouldn't have played to the camera and there would not have been a scene of elaine waiting for guybrush.
    Cabinet of Dr. Caligari is considered ambiguous, even though the doctor at the end starts to walk the way he does in the story as he looks directly into the camera. Film critics argue to this day about whether or not it is a psychological film, or a fantasy film.
  • edited October 2009
    Well the official conclusion is that it was all just part of LeChuck's spell to trap Guybrush but it's never really explained in CMI.

    I like to think that both Guybrush and LeChuck get trapped in Big Whoop. Remember Guybrush was trying to use Big Whoop to escape from LeChuck into another world, maybe this world was where his Parents didn't leave him (or die) and he's still a boy. Only LeChuck catches up to him and when the chest smashes they both slowly get pulled into this other reality and LeChuck becomes Guybrush's big brother Chuckie.

    The whole of the last sequence is therefore the transition into the new world where their old and new identies get mixed up. So for a while LeChuck becomes Guybrush's brother but is still trying to get his revenge for the events in MI1. Then when Guybrush defeats him he mostly turns into Chuckie (when he pulls off his mask) but not completely as he asks for Guybrush to sow the leg back on the doll. The game therefore ends with them both transforming into little Guybrush and chuckie and seeming to forget their former identities.

    At least, that's how I made sense of it when I first played it. Of cause I doubt that's what Ron Gilbert had in mind.
  • edited October 2009
    No, but I think that the Voodoo Lady's brother is Bosco from S&M! XD
  • edited October 2009
    bai_ganyo wrote: »
    That's because Ron Gilbert, MI's father,...

    Ron Gilbert's my father? Awesome!
  • edited October 2009
    It seems like the ending of MI2 was Guybrush under a spell, or a dream of somekind. But then in the beginning of MI3 he is floating out in the ocean in a bumercar from the carnival. I was always wondering about that ending.
    At the end of MI2 you see Elaine looking down the hole and wondering whats taking guybrush so long. I wonder how long she waited around till she gave up and left?
  • edited October 2009
    10 YEARS

    nah jk
  • edited October 2009
    More like 6 years... from 1991 to 1997... ;) *g*
  • edited October 2009
    I love Elaine's mid-credits comment if you use the "Win" cheat. It's something like "I wonder why I'm just standing by this random hole".
  • edited October 2009
    I love Elaine's mid-credits comment if you use the "Win" cheat. It's something like "I wonder why I'm just standing by this random hole".
    hahahah yeah
  • edited October 2009
    Yes they are brothers, the point of the game was it was all a child's over active imagination - of course the ending when they leave the park adds an element of closure to the Monkey Island universe so everyone understandably likes to ignore this (myself included). The spooky eyes from Chuckie were a leave the door ajar option for more games in the future.

    In fact the ending of MI2 were Le Chuck/Guybrush were revealed as brothers was supposed to be the ending for MI1 but Ron Gilbert was convinced by the others to hold on to it for a sequel.

    Development Trivia of Monkey Island 1 & 2, also check the next page in each article for comments from creators of MI 1 & 2.
    http://www.mixnmojo.com/features/read.php?article=monkeyisland2lechucksrevenge&page=6

    http://www.mixnmojo.com/features/read.php?article=thesecretofmonkeyisland&page=5
  • edited October 2009
    From our very own sailorcuteness' youtube page watch at the 2:55 and then the 4:00 mark.... Not brothers just a trick by LeChuck..
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bpWoGn-tbo
  • edited October 2009
    I consider the whole ending sequence was just a Guybrush's dream.
    There's a lot of things that point that. Dreams are usually a juxtaposition of things you lived lately and ideas you have.

    Well, if Guybrush was in Dinky Island why the underground tunnels look like those under Ron Roger's house? Why the carnival seems to be in Booty Island? Why you can go to Melee Island's alley? Because it's a dream! You see your lost parents just like in GB previous dream when... he hit his head! Just the same that happened when he fell with Big Whoop on his hand!

    Maybe Big Whoop is the portal do dreams' land, and Lechuck used that opportunity to get in Guybrush head and manipulate his ideas. But he is in no way his brother.
  • edited October 2009
    big whoop is THE DARK TOWER
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