Hold on a second [spoilery]

edited December 2009 in Tales of Monkey Island
So if the ring has enough power (and symbolism?) to revive Guybrush, does that mean Guybrush is IMMORTAL as long as he keeps the ring?

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  • edited December 2009
    No, it just bound his soul and body back together.
  • edited December 2009
    Falanca wrote: »
    So if the ring has enough power (and symbolism?) to revive Guybrush, does that mean Guybrush is IMMORTAL as long as he keeps the ring?

    oh man, thinking of that...
  • edited December 2009
    Thespis wrote: »
    No, it just bound his soul and body back together.



    Which means... ressurrection, in Monkey Island terms.
  • edited December 2009
    He doesn't have the ring anymore, he gave it back to Elaine, if I remember correctly. (It was late last night when i finished the game :))
  • edited December 2009
    jugs wrote: »
    He doesn't have the ring anymore, he gave it back to Elaine, if I remember correctly. (It was late last night when i finished the game :))

    I though he just lose him... or not? When he revived, he doesn't have the ring anymore.
  • edited December 2009
    jugs wrote: »
    He doesn't have the ring anymore, he gave it back to Elaine, if I remember correctly. (It was late last night when i finished the game :))

    Taking back the ring from her for the love of immortality would be asking for much, I suppose.
    loaldnt wrote: »
    I though he just lose him... or not? When he revived, he doesn't have the ring anymore.

    No, we can see that he puts the ring on Elaine's finger again, re-marrying her after death did their part.
  • edited December 2009
    Falanca wrote: »
    No, we can see that he puts the ring on Elaine's finger again, re-marrying her after death did their part.

    oh right, I think I was tired, I finished the game in the late night.
  • edited December 2009
    Falanca wrote:
    No, we can see that he puts the ring on Elaine's finger again, re-marrying her after death did their part.

    Now they can spend another four months honeymooning.
  • edited December 2009
    loaldnt wrote: »
    oh right, I think I was tired, I finished the game in the late night.
    'tis fine.


    Back on topic, to answer my own question, I can only assume that the meaning of the ring to Guybrush is something effective in the voodoo spell. After Elaine gave him the ring, Guybrush was really protective about the ring. What he always thought was to keep it until Elaine wants it back, so he concentrated on it with his life. After death, although there was seemingly no way for him to ressurrect again, he was thinking about giving the ring to Elaine. That must be the reason why he had the Shred of Life after all, giving the ring back to Elaine was an "unfinished business" which kept him still tied up to the land of living. He was STILL thinking of how mad Elaine would get on him if he loses his ring AFTER Elaine became the demon bride of LeChuck and there was -again- seemingly no way for him to return Elaine back to her old self. So, in the end of the game, it wasn't purely the symbolism of the marriage that brought him back to life, but what Elaine and the ring meant to him.

    Most likely the ring can't be used for this purpose again. Because, to simply put, if he uses the ring to get back to life again, the meaning of the ring won't be the symbol of their love, but a way to stay alive. The ring will lose its meaning, and it won't work.
    Now they can spend another four months honeymooning.

    Heh, kinky.
  • puzzleboxpuzzlebox Telltale Alumni
    edited December 2009
    Falanca wrote: »
    does that mean Guybrush is IMMORTAL as long as he keeps the ring?

    Nah, wrong fandom - that's LoTR. :p
  • edited December 2009
    puzzlebox wrote: »
    Nah, wrong fandom - that's LoTR. :p

    Ahahahah, precious.
  • edited December 2009
    Monkey Island 6 - Guybrush and Elaine must travel to the fiery pit of Mount Doom in Mordor to destroy the ring, but little do they know that the evil LeChuck has come back as a voodoo sorcerer
    (wow actually I'd love to see the Sorcerer Pirate LeChuck as the MI6 villain. The things I come up with by accident.)
  • edited December 2009
    He should just stick the ring in a block of cheese and feed it to Sherman. Then Lemonhead bites Guybrush's hand off in a fit of rage.
  • edited December 2009
    The ring really should be reusable. But think of all of the amount of variables and exogenous factors that could play: Guybrush has to be given the ring to look after by Elaine; they have to still be madly in love; his corpse has to keep her ring and not have it looted; he has to get a
    voodoo locket
    (which may have accidently fallen in the ocean or been stolen or got broken or anything) and if he doesn't have that
    locket
    , will there still be a photographer in the underworld and will Guybrush still manage to
    steal the tips
    ?; he still has to get all those objects to
    open the Cross-roads
    in the first place...

    It seems to me like a lightning-striking-twice situation
  • edited December 2009
    i think guybrush would be okay about being dead as long as elaine was with him
  • edited December 2009
    I think an explanation on how magic is supposedly able to work is needed.

    In religions like Voodoo and in fact most occult traditions, most magic is 'sympathetic', as in like effects like. When creating the voodoo dolls in MI2, why do you think you needed those specific ingredients? After all, a lock of hair or bone of some dead guy won't have any magic on their own right? They don't, but they help to focus the magic. Think of it as a director, you want to affect someone so you take a piece of their clothing or use a photograph of them in order to say "This is the guy I want to effect". Likewise, if you want to do something to them, like say break their leg off, you use something that has meaning in connection to your intention, such as a doll dressed in the clothes of your enemies and break its leg. Actions and objects have meanings, and it is how the user perceives this which is what directs the magic. The ring itself had no power, but it's meaning to the user meant that they could use it to direct the magic in the crossroads to the desire effect.

    Simples!
  • edited December 2009
    Jazzy wrote: »
    I think an explanation on how magic is supposedly able to work is needed.

    In religions like Voodoo and in fact most occult traditions, most magic is 'sympathetic', as in like effects like. When creating the voodoo dolls in MI2, why do you think you needed those specific ingredients? After all, a lock of hair or bone of some dead guy won't have any magic on their own right? They don't, but they help to focus the magic. Think of it as a director, you want to affect someone so you take a piece of their clothing or use a photograph of them in order to say "This is the guy I want to effect". Likewise, if you want to do something to them, like say break their leg off, you use something that has meaning in connection to your intention, such as a doll dressed in the clothes of your enemies and break its leg. Actions and objects have meanings, and it is how the user perceives this which is what directs the magic. The ring itself had no power, but it's meaning to the user meant that they could use it to direct the magic in the crossroads to the desire effect.

    Simples!

    That's a fine idea. But please, do remember that there are no such things as voodoo dolls. That's Hollywood Voodoo. Real Voudun has no such stuff.
  • edited December 2009
    Well, we can all see it didn't make him immortal, but I think if he is stuck at the crossroads in his physical form he could go back any time he wanted with the ring. As you can see, though, he doesn't really die with all his items in his inventory all willy-nilly, so he doesn't have a guaranteed way to save himself each time.
  • edited December 2009
    That's the thing - it has to be his physical form. He didn't have the ring until he opened the gate the first time and possessed his body.
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