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it was awsome!!! I loved the master and the ending when there billions of the master and the time Lords are returning and donna remebers will her mind blow up?? I doubt it lol but I loved that!!!!!
it was awsome!!! I loved the master and the ending when there billions of the master and the time Lords are returning and donna remebers will her mind blow up?? I doubt it lol but I loved that!!!!!
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It doesn't come close to my favourite episode though. Blink was just incredible, still scares the pants off me!
Next episode spoilers (derived from filming photos)
Rumour: As a result of the timelords returning, the past four years (everything since the timewar) Will be undone, effectively giving the doctor three more lives.
I don't know. Any progression will surely be undone by a completely new doctor anyway? Besides, it would make doctor who a bit more believable (well sort of) again. It's all very fine and dandy having explosive climaxes like at the end of series 2/4, but setting them in the present day is just asking for trouble. It just seems wrong. I think Stephen Moffat will be more careful with the franchise.
there are ways of dieing permntly woith out regenorating the docotor even said in this epiosde if he dies b4 regenorationg then hes dead dead
That would be sad... particularly thinking that the whole Rose thing never happened, or Donna. Matt Smith will only be the 11th Doctor though, so there are still a couple of incarnations before the writers have to figure that one out.
The Master being a case in point... refusing to regenerate when he was shot (although we subsequently found out he didn't actually die).
There were some good ideas in there, but the whole thing felt rather thrown together at the last minute. It seemed to jump about in tone, being rather whimsical one moment, then serious, then silly, then reminiscent, then silly again, then serious, then... well, you get the point.
The character of the Master has undergone some serious changes. Some I like (gritty, urban, badly dyed blonde hair*, even more insane, etc) and some I don't (X-Ray skull, leaping higher then the tallest building, lightning zaps, etc). I've nothing against the guy playing him (John Simms), but it seems like he's become a rejected freak-of-the-week from Smallville.
And the ending. Oh, the ending. There were two aspects, which I will deal with in turn.
1) Timothy 'My favourite Bond after Daniel Craig' Dalton being a Time Lord? The return of that entire race? The possibilities such a thing would bring about? Awesome. Me likey.
2) Everyone on Earth becoming the Master? Rubbish.
It's like something a 6-year old would come up with. And it's doubly irritating when you look at it properly and realise that the whole thing came from nowhere. It's not a plan that the Master's been cooking up for years, he just happens to be plonked in front of a giant planet-healing machine and told 'fix this'. It's a crime of opportunity, nothing more. Not to mention the whole transformation effect looks silly.
I couldn't take this episode seriously. Especially not after the brilliant Waters of Mars, which I watched before TEoT Part I.
*In Doctor Who Magazine, John Simms said that he had the idea to dye his hair blonde, and that it looked like the Master had done a rubbish job of trying to disguise himself. So it's meant to be rubbish. :P
EDIT: THIS IS MERELY MY OPINION. IT IS NOT NECESSARILY WHAT YOU WILL THINK. IF YOU DISAGREE AND WISH TO DISCUSS SOME OF THESE POINTS WITH ME, I WILL HAPPILY DO SO.
Also, I thought I'd answer some of the points raised by other posters.
- Time Lords generally have 13 lives, which means 12 regenerations. This can be circumvented though, as the Master proved by taking over the body of a man named Tremas (it's an anagram, see what else you can spell with those letters) and became Anthony Ainley. He was also offered an all-new set of regenerations by the Time Lords during 'The Five Doctors', so presumably they have the technology to extend lives as well. Given that they now seem to be back, this could be interesting.
- Time Lord deaths can be permanent, as seen in 'Turn Left'. The shock of the water crashing into him meant he didn't have time to regenerate, and thus died for real. It was also revealed to be optional, as the Master proved in 'Last of the Time Lords'. His subsequent resurrection has nothing to do with his actual 'original' body, which the Doctor burned on a funeral pyre, so he did die. Properly. So there.
- As the Doctor himself said, when he regenerates, everything changes. He'll remember all that he's done, but his physical appearance, his personality, his taste in clothes, everything will be different. So it's not so much character 'development' as it is character 'change'. But whatever.
- We're watching the show from the Doctor's perspective. We're watching events unfold along his personal timeline, not the universes. That's why we'd never seen Torchwood before Series 2 - because of his actions in 'Tooth and Claw', he essentially created them. He was in his 10th incarnation when he did this, so while Torchwood may now haver existed during all his previous lives, we don't see them because we're now following the 10th Doctor. If anything retroactively wipes out the Doctor's previous doings (which I highly doubt), then we'll still be following the current Doctor and therefore will not have lost anything. They'll still be on DVD, after all.
- This is my 250th post. Go me.
I did think that they tried to do far too much, and that made the episode less than stellar for me. The return of the Master, some other dude with an evil plan (in the form of Joshua Naismith), the Ood, the Time Lords, Donna in the background, something weird going on with Wilf, a big healing machine thing, and a couple of green cactus aliens thrown in for some reason... feels like Davies wanted to do something epic for his finale, but ended up with something less than the sum of its parts.
Like Sailorcuteness though, I'll wait until Part 2 has aired to judge the finale as a whole.
I enjoyed it. Very much.
I think it's the quality of the experience that leads to the (over)analysis, rather than analysis in itself leading to a poor experience. Although I enjoyed this episode, I didn't enjoy it as much as some others, and I like to work out why that is - hence the analysis. You know, backing up my opinion with valid reasons and stuff.
Its my fav out of all the specials so far I know WoM and The Next Doctor was great but I just loved john simm and davids preformance and the cliffhanger was my fav so far
New Year's Day can't come soon enough!
I know ^^ I watched the ending like 500 times i even uploaded it to youtube to watch it easly ^^
Totally fine with me.
Though sometimes other people tend to dislike an episode/movie/game/setting/style/pudding so much, that they analyzing and explaining it in a way that people who actually like it seem like persons with a bad taste.
For example, it's a bit unfair that I still get negative responses when I say that I like Indy 4 (yeah Indy 4. 4th movie in the Indy saga. It is the 4th movie get over it) and maybe because of that I'm a little bit more "sensible" to the whole analyzing business (which turns out to be nitpicking or personal opinions very often).
But yeah, sorry for OT
Heh, I know what you mean there. I get the same thing for liking Survivor. And tofu.
Me too! I think it's an age thing. The haters probably all grew up with Indy, coming out in the cinema's. A similair thing to Star wars. I prefer the Prequel trilogy (the third film is by far the best of all 6, (Excluding the romance scenes),). Now i'm no kid (18), but i don't have the emotional attatchment to 4/5/6 that others do. The same is also true for Escape from MI, which is still an amazing game, undeserving of all the hate.
And those people strongly believe that because they (and the loud voiced others) believe it is that way, then it is so.
Even for this episode of doctor who (which i felt was a tad underwhelming, but necessary for a hopefully awesome finale), which seems to be getting alot of bad press, it's IMDB average viewer rating is 8.1/10. The people who like it are plentiful, but are just less loud about it.