What's the best place to find old Lucasarts games?

edited February 2010 in General Chat
I'm sure you all know what I mean, Point-and-click adventure games that use the SCUMM engine, I'm not talking about Star Wars: Dark Forces or anything like that. To be specific, I'm looking for Sam and Max: Hit the Road and Day of the Tentacle.

So, what websites are good for buying these old games? PC or Mac versions are both fine, since they will run in SCUMMVM.

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  • edited February 2010
    I hesitate to suggest abandonware sites, because most of the games on said sites aren't technically abandonware and is therefore illegal.

    So eBay's probably your best bet. Steam does a couple of LucasArts adventures, but they're not the 'funny' ones, sadly.
  • edited February 2010
    I hesitate to suggest abandonware sites, because most of the games on said sites aren't technically abandonware and is therefore illegal.

    Yeah, let's just not go there.
  • edited February 2010
    There are no abandonware games, abandonware was just made up by some people who didn't want to pay for software. If a game isn't available at the store, then too bad. That doesn't give anybody the right to pirate the software. Now, there is public domain, but that requires the creator to be dead for 70 years (correct me if I'm wrong). Gaming is relatively new, I don't think any games are public domain yet.
  • JakeJake Telltale Alumni
    edited February 2010
    LucasArts as been doling out their back catalog on Steam. While not all of them are there, The Dig, Loom, Indiana Jones Fate of Atlantis and Indiana Jones Last Crusade are all there, along with Secret of MI special edition (which includes the original edition as well). They've been putting up Star Wars games most lately, but hopefully more adventures will make their way up there with time.
  • edited February 2010
    Oh yeah, forgot about the ol' MI:SE. Get that, then send them a well written e-mail complaining about the PC controls. If enough people do this, maybe we can convince them to fix them for the (no doubt inevitable) MI2:SE release.
  • edited February 2010
    send them a well written e-mail complaining about the PC controls

    Monkey Island Special Edition is the one thing lucasarts has done right in the past ten years, and everyone gives them hell for it. Complaining about controls? Just be glad they're letting new gamers experience monkey island! Seriously! This is exactly why Lucasarts is hesitant to make new adventure games.
  • edited February 2010
    natlinxz wrote: »
    Monkey Island Special Edition is the one thing lucasarts has done right in the past ten years, and everyone gives them hell for it. Complaining about controls? Just be glad they're letting new gamers experience monkey island! Seriously! This is exactly why Lucasarts is hesitant to make new adventure games.

    Ahhh they're big boys, they can take the criticism, as long as the sales are good and there's still interest. Maybe if TellTale do a ToMI 2 we can expect to see MI2 around the same time...mebbe
  • edited February 2010
    natlinxz wrote: »
    Now, there is public domain, but that requires the creator to be dead for 70 years (correct me if I'm wrong). Gaming is relatively new, I don't think any games are public domain yet.

    Small technicality: something can be public domain from the start if the author(s) wish(es) it so.
    And copyright laws (and when something enters public domain) depend on the country. Death +70 years for the USA, death +50 years for some other countries, 50 years after release (whether the author is alive or dead) for some others, etc. The rule of thumb is to check your country's copyright law, the author's country's copyright law, and make sure to follow the most restrictive or the two, if they happen to differ.
  • edited February 2010
    I reccomend ebay.
    I got Curse of monkey island for only $25!(that is a steal considering I checked and amazon had it for over $100)
  • edited February 2010
    natlinxz wrote: »
    Monkey Island Special Edition is the one thing lucasarts has done right in the past ten years, and everyone gives them hell for it.
    KOTOR?
    KOTOR2?

    I probably find more released in 20xx if I look at all they released these 10 years.
  • edited February 2010
    I think the best place to buy them is from Ebay these days, got a copy of Curse of Monkey Island for around $20 from the UK Site. Its a shame that not all these games have been re-released for newer audiences to play, the few that have are only on steam leaving us Mac users Lucasless. Thankgod for Ebay + ScummVM :)
  • edited February 2010
    KOTOR?
    KOTOR2?

    That wasn't lucasarts, that was Bioware.
  • edited February 2010
    Ehm... KOTOR2?

    But yeah, if you say it like that... LA does outsource most of their games these days, so there is barely anything to compare SoMI:SE against then...
  • edited February 2010
    It may be a hassle, but if you hate the controls, can't you just do your controls in "classic mode" and then switch back while Guybrush responds?
  • edited February 2010
    It may be a hassle, but if you hate the controls, can't you just do your controls in "classic mode" and then switch back while Guybrush responds?
    I could, but I shouldn't have to. That's the point. What's the point of getting the Special Edition if I have to spend half the time in 'classic mode' just to get it to play properly?

    Everything else about the remake is great, but the controls are just plain fiddly for the PC. They may work well on the XBox, but I wouldn't know, not having one.

    And the only other thing LucasArts have made themselves recently were Lucidity, which isn't half bad (again, apparently). They seem to have turned more into a publisher then a developer, which is probably a good move, considering the quality of their self-made games up until a couple of years ago.
  • edited February 2010
    Avistew wrote: »
    Small technicality: something can be public domain from the start if the author(s) wish(es) it so.
    And copyright laws (and when something enters public domain) depend on the country. Death +70 years for the USA, death +50 years for some other countries, 50 years after release (whether the author is alive or dead) for some others, etc. The rule of thumb is to check your country's copyright law, the author's country's copyright law, and make sure to follow the most restrictive or the two, if they happen to differ.

    Actually, international copyright laws were agreed upon in the 70's, so most nations follow the 70+ years rule, at least as regards written material. (Copyright as regards other media is a little different, since they're more "complicated" mediums. This would take friggin' ever to explain, and being lazy, I won't :p) But now that the US supreme court has decided that corporations have the full rights of "citizens" that could mean they will own copyright the same way as a person. Only corporations don't "die", so unless the ruling is overruled or new laws are created their copyrights might conceivably never expire. Fun, huh?
  • edited February 2010
    As others have already mentioned, Steam and ebay are great places to start. I've also heard good things about gog.com
  • edited February 2010
    Yeah, I checked out Good Old Games, but they didn't have any LucasArts adventures. Plenty of other point-n-click titles though, so it's still worth a look if you don't mind trying games made by other companies.
  • edited February 2010
    At least in Europe it's possible to still find copies of LucasArts Classic midprice releases. Games like Hit the Road and Full Throttle are still available, but unfortunately Day of the Tentacle is sold out (at least in the stores from which I did look for it).
  • edited February 2010
    I've been lucky on Amazon the past year for LucasArts classics. The prices tend to vary quite a lot on there, but sometimes if you happen to check on a good day you can get a great deal.
  • edited February 2010
    At least in Europe it's possible to still find copies of LucasArts Classic midprice releases. Games like Hit the Road and Full Throttle are still available, but unfortunately Day of the Tentacle is sold out (at least in the stores from which I did look for it).
    In stores? You'll be lucky.

    I honestly think LucasArts is missing out on a fair bit of money by not putting games like Full Throttle and DoTT onto Steam. They would sell loads if the price was right (say, the same as the others already available). Missed opportunity...
  • edited February 2010
    In stores? You'll be lucky.

    I honestly think LucasArts is missing out on a fair bit of money by not putting games like Full Throttle and DoTT onto Steam. They would sell loads if the price was right (say, the same as the others already available). Missed opportunity...

    Full Throttle's European re-release is from 2006 and Hit the Road is from 2007 so there are some copies still available in the stores of the EU member states.
  • edited February 2010
    Just throwing a little, "I love MI:SE," into this thread.

    As a mac gamer who recently complained about the Strong Bad conspiracy, I can appreciate a decent selfish gripe as much as the next guy--but as someone who's played both MI and MI:SE--I have to say that Lucas Arts gets props for making the title and for getting it right.
  • edited February 2010
    All I want is Grim Fandango. Is that too much to ask?
  • edited February 2010
    In stores? You'll be lucky.

    I honestly think LucasArts is missing out on a fair bit of money by not putting games like Full Throttle and DoTT onto Steam. They would sell loads if the price was right (say, the same as the others already available). Missed opportunity...

    Sam & Max and DoTT double pack's in a store near me actually
  • edited February 2010
    Full Throttle's European re-release is from 2006 and Hit the Road is from 2007 so there are some copies still available in the stores of the EU member states.
    Not here, and as far as I know, the Netherlands is part of the EU.
  • edited February 2010
    Not here, and as far as I know, the Netherlands is part of the EU.

    You could try from other memberstates, those games were printed in the UK and are available at least in Scandinavia.
  • edited February 2010
    Full Throttle's European re-release is from 2006 and Hit the Road is from 2007 so there are some copies still available in the stores of the EU member states.

    "Europe" isn't a very specific place, so I have to ask: are they english copies of the games?
  • edited February 2010
    natlinxz wrote: »
    "Europe" isn't a very specific place, so I have to ask: are they english copies of the games?

    Yes, those are the UK versions.
  • edited February 2010
    natlinxz wrote: »
    Monkey Island Special Edition is the one thing lucasarts has done right in the past ten years, and everyone gives them hell for it. Complaining about controls? Just be glad they're letting new gamers experience monkey island! Seriously! This is exactly why Lucasarts is hesitant to make new adventure games.

    "Just be glad"? Everyone's entitled to an opinion on a product they paid for. Lucasarts did not make SMI:SE to do anyone a favour, they did it to make money and see if there was a market for adventure games. Lackluster sales are going to make Lucasarts hesitant to make new adventure games - people complaining about a cumbersome control scheme is not.
  • edited February 2010
    Interestingly enough, I've found the best place to find old games is used bookstores/used game stores. I got Curse for $7.99 at a used game store near my house and a four pack including Grim Fandango, The Dig, Full Throttle, and Sam and Max: Hit the Road for $8.50 at a used bookstore that obviously didn't know what they had. It takes more effort, but I consider the savings to be worth it. XD
  • edited February 2010
    I've had surprisingly good luck with Amazon, actually. There are a ton of very expensive copies but sometimes you'll luck out with one who'll sell the games for under $30.
  • edited February 2010
    Day of the Tentacle: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160398591757&rvr_id=&crlp=1_263602_263622&UA=%3F*F%3F&GUID=4b4b31811250a0266b7637c6ffe865df&itemid=160398591757&ff4=263602_263622

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    Sam & Max: Hit the Road: http://www.amazon.com/Sam-Max-Hit-Road-Pc/dp/B0007WOX4A/ref=pd_sim_vg_1

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    ...now, remember that when you buy SCUMM games, you want to run them in ScummVM, after following directions on the scummvm wiki to copy the files needed from the game CD to a folder on your hard disk. You shouldn't need to run the installer on the disc at all:

    ScummVM directions for Hit the Road: http://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php/Sam_&_Max_Hit_the_Road
    ScummVM directions for Day of the Tentacle: http://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php/Day_of_the_Tentacle

    You can make shortcut icons for each game, you just have to point it to the scummvm exe with the game id after it. (I made my own icon from an image of the box art.)

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  • edited February 2010
    Bagge wrote: »
    "Just be glad"? Everyone's entitled to an opinion on a product they paid for. Lucasarts did not make SMI:SE to do anyone a favour, they did it to make money and see if there was a market for adventure games. Lackluster sales are going to make Lucasarts hesitant to make new adventure games - people complaining about a cumbersome control scheme is not.

    Exactly. Thankfully for those of us who enjoyed the game, the sales weren't lackluster. In fact, the sales were incredible. That means good things for those of us hoping for future installments.
  • edited February 2010
    TheMadSpin wrote: »
    Exactly. Thankfully for those of us who enjoyed the game, the sales weren't lackluster. In fact, the sales were incredible. That means good things for those of us hoping for future installments.

    ...and a greater likelihood that they'll make an SE of MI2.:)
  • edited February 2010
    Thanks for all the helpful examples everybody! But I have a problem with Amazon... none of these games are showing up in the Canadian Amazon store. If I live in canada, can I sill buy stuff from the american store?
  • edited February 2010
    natlinxz wrote: »
    Thanks for all the helpful examples everybody! But I have a problem with Amazon... none of these games are showing up in the Canadian Amazon store. If I live in canada, can I sill buy stuff from the american store?

    Yep, you just pay a little extra on postage. At least thats what it was when i wanted to import to the UK.
  • edited February 2010
    In stores? You'll be lucky.

    I honestly think LucasArts is missing out on a fair bit of money by not putting games like Full Throttle and DoTT onto Steam. They would sell loads if the price was right (say, the same as the others already available). Missed opportunity...

    Sam&Max is pretty easy to find at least. I've spotted it a few times in the last few months, notabally on rotating shelves in wilkinsons and various supermarkets.
  • edited February 2010
    natlinxz wrote: »
    There are no abandonware games, abandonware was just made up by some people who didn't want to pay for software. If a game isn't available at the store, then too bad. That doesn't give anybody the right to pirate the software. Now, there is public domain, but that requires the creator to be dead for 70 years (correct me if I'm wrong). Gaming is relatively new, I don't think any games are public domain yet.

    Actually, abandonware is when the copyright is unclear of the game, usually caused by bankruptcies and sold copyright and so on, making it a huge legal hassle to determine who has the copyright. While not legal, persay, who's going to sue you? ;) There are a lot of games incorrectly filed as abandonware though...
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