One good Reason why Episodes 1, 2 and 3 are VITAL to episodes 4,5 and 6!
Dead mother- Anakin loses his mother to sand people, swears on her dying breath to never let it happen again to anyone he loves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjFkBPKcOqY
Stop people from dying- Anakin gets upset and claims that one day he will be the most powerful jedi ever, even stop the ones he loves from dying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XSxAuVZdEo
The only way you can stop people from dying- Palpatine promises Anakin (Darth Vader) that the dark side is the only path to save the ones he loves from dying.
At this point that's Padame
Anakin's dream losing Padame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59gwK-FwO7U&feature=related
(Story about the dark side)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhVRku1WA7o&feature=related
(turning to the dark side)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFdp-oZeHgA
(Turned to the dark side)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSJAl9r_wHE
Twin Sister...- Vader promises Luke in ROTJ that the only way to save Leia and his friends from dying is the path of the dark side.
Luke doesn't kill Vader when he has the chance. However there is symbolism that he is turning to the dark side when we see his black glove. And for the same reasons Vader turned. Similar to Padame "There's still good in him, I can feel it."
"I can feel the good in you". Luke Skywalker.
Father please help me - Palpatine starts to kill Luke with force lightning. Vader picks up Palpatine and throws him down into the Death Stars depths.
You already have- "I got to save you". "You already have".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woFkIziqbw4
Anakin becomes the most powerful jedi ever. Anakin goes full circle with Luke Skywalker and brings balance to the force.
Anakin is absorbed into the force with Padame.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S2auEHR4rg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjFkBPKcOqY
Stop people from dying- Anakin gets upset and claims that one day he will be the most powerful jedi ever, even stop the ones he loves from dying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XSxAuVZdEo
The only way you can stop people from dying- Palpatine promises Anakin (Darth Vader) that the dark side is the only path to save the ones he loves from dying.
At this point that's Padame
Anakin's dream losing Padame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59gwK-FwO7U&feature=related
(Story about the dark side)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhVRku1WA7o&feature=related
(turning to the dark side)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFdp-oZeHgA
(Turned to the dark side)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSJAl9r_wHE
Twin Sister...- Vader promises Luke in ROTJ that the only way to save Leia and his friends from dying is the path of the dark side.
Luke doesn't kill Vader when he has the chance. However there is symbolism that he is turning to the dark side when we see his black glove. And for the same reasons Vader turned. Similar to Padame "There's still good in him, I can feel it."
"I can feel the good in you". Luke Skywalker.
Father please help me - Palpatine starts to kill Luke with force lightning. Vader picks up Palpatine and throws him down into the Death Stars depths.
You already have- "I got to save you". "You already have".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woFkIziqbw4
Anakin becomes the most powerful jedi ever. Anakin goes full circle with Luke Skywalker and brings balance to the force.
Anakin is absorbed into the force with Padame.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S2auEHR4rg&feature=related
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No, not specifically. The other topic was too broad and wasn't the same topic.
OOOH any Star Wars fan that hates Phantom Menace of ROTS is a stuck up prune.
Nah, but seriously, if either of you want to develop that further I'd be open to it.
I think Anakin always had problems to be honest. I just watched episodes 1-4 back to back. What I've noticed is that Anakin allows his feelings and impulses to control his judge ments.
I think people fail to see how the dark side clouds the mind and makes you into a self absorbed and selfish person.
In ROTS there is a quote that the Jedi are becoming arrogant, too sure of themselves, even the older and more wiser.
Anakin in the same movie can be quoted saying that the sith are selfish and
ANH- Don't let your feelings cloud your judgement.
TPM- Be mindful of your thoughts
ROTJ- Now you're feelings have betrayed her as well
ROTJ- You're thoughts betray you, father
TPM- Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering
TPM- Fear is a path to the dark side
TPM- Afraid of losing her are you? (Yoda to Anakin, in regard of his mother)
Who acts and thinks rationally when they're angry/ scared?
ROTJ- Your thoughts betray you, father.
I think it's import to note that Darth Vader betrays Anakin from a certain point of view.
Also
ROTS-- He is no longer the apprentice you trained (Something like that, Yoda to Obi Wan in regard of Anakin)
ROTS- I don't even know you anymore (Padame to Anakin)
ROTS- Then you truly are lost (Obi Wan to Anakin)
ROTS- There's still good in him (Padame to Obi Wan in regards to Anakin)
ROTJ- I can feel the good in you (Luke to Anakin)
It's true that it's hard to see good in Vader/ Anakin, that's why these two lines are golden.
The dark side I think is being in control by your emotions, wants. As said in
ROTS- Sith are controlled by there passion and only act for their selves
(Anakin to Palpatine)
I think it's a sort of mind control by your dark side. I'd say it's addictive like a drug too.
"I have failed you Anakin, I have failed you." ROTS
"Now Obi Wan's failure is complete" ROTJ
Anakin doesn't offer logical, rational arguments in ROTS.
Anakin is a problem child, bad relationships with others, he was lead and manipulated by others, he was always trying to fit in at the Jedi consul and Palpatine filled his head with ideas that he was a misfit.
I think the whole point of the saga is the conflict in Anakin versus Vader
ROTJ- I feel the good in you, the conflict (luke)
ROTJ- There is no conflict (vader)
I think that the conflict has always been there and the main idea here is for Vader to find balance in that conflict, to rise above it as he is the most powerful force in the universe.
Vader is self absorbed by the dark side, who's betrayed Anakin and needs to be saved. Yes, this has been going on for several several years, as a young boy Anakin was easily manipulated and betrayed. From a early age we know he's rather intelligent from what he can build with his mind, droids, racers...
I think the problem is that Vader is so force sensitive, so strong that he couldn't control himself
ROTS- They see your future, Anakin, They think you're too powerful to be keep control of yourself (Something like that).
I think it's very sad in nature that Anakin is so powerful, so force sensitive that he is the chosen one, he is the one that can bring balance. He is brought into the dark side because of his emotions, fear, love for those he's lost, guilt and Palpatine .
Vader may be a bad ass but we got to remember that Anakin is only human, he's not a machine, he's organic with feelings, and I think the point of Episodes 1-3 is to show him in a time that he was human, to better understand what happened to his mind.
I think that in saving Luke Vader was able to save himself and that Luke was the living essence of Padame and Obi wan through lesson to see the good in Vader, the potential for good. Through Luke I think Vader realized the true potential for good in himself and once again found Anakin, found his sanity, mind when he asked to look at Luke with his mask off.
To look at Luke with his own eyes as Anakin.
It was like meeting him for the first time.
Yes, it came very late, and maybe Anakin was never that great of a human being but I think in the end he found peace of mind and in doing so did away with Palpatine and put himself to peaceful rest within the force.
To quote Futurama: "You can't just have your characters announce how they feel! That makes me feel angry!"
Mind you I loved all 6 movies, They were all awesome in their own way.
What I have a problem with is the Clone Wars. Why is Anakin training a padawan? He is barely a Jedi Knight at that point and dosen't even become A master when appointed to the council in ROTS. I could have sworn that only Jedi Masters trained padawans
Wasn't Obi-Wan only a knight when he took Anakin as a padawan?
I think personally that their are several important lines of dialog that connect characters to one another from episode to episode. Before watching the movies back to back I never connected Luke to Padame. I never connected Palapatine to Anakin, or Vader to Luke even as much.
Some of the dialog may be clumsy in a few select scenes, but I truly think that a effort was made in Episodes 1, 2, ESP 3 to connect characters and plot elements together. You could say it wasn't intentional but there's differently alot of symmetry in the dialog. The ball is definitely rolling.
I really felt the connection in the spiritual roles of the characters and their force like relationship to one another. I think the first three episodes channel the later 3 three episodes.
I just watched TPM again last night, I got to admit it was damn good for its age. There was only one scene in the entire movie that looked truly dated to me.
I disagree that there was too much emphasis on effects because I think that there was alot of time put into making Vader/ Anakin more human and I think the new three movies were very emotional and connected to ROTJ and ESB on a spiritual level. If you would.
I think there's definitely good lines in all six movies that are actually connected.
I think there's alot of feeling in both AOTC and ROTS. To be honest I think AOTC has too much feeling for people and they turn away from it and call it names.
Star Wars had the best effects of its time, the story remember-able but only because it has captured our imagination and absorbed us. I don't have a problem with the new three movies looking their best.
Thanks for sharing.
It's not that I wanted the effects to be bad, it just felt like so much of the movies existed simply because they felt like it would look cool to do. I still don't know why things like pod racing or gungans were even in the movies.
He was a Master in Attack of the Clones, so I kinda took it that way.
But I don't know, Anakin was still kind of a Youngling in Episode 1 right? he could have been trained by Yoda at that point
"For his heroics in defeating a Sith (making him the first Jedi in 1,000 years to do so), Yoda personally bestows to him the rank of Jedi Knight. Obi-Wan then states that he will train Anakin with or without the Council's permission. Yoda reluctantly agrees, but warns Obi-Wan to be careful with the troubled boy.
In Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones (2002), set 10 years after The Phantom Menace, Obi-Wan has become an experienced Jedi Knight. However, his relationship with his Padawan, Anakin (now played by Hayden Christensen) is strained; the Chosen One has grown powerful but arrogant, and believes that Obi-Wan is trying to hold him back."
From the ever-reliable Wikipedia.
They have a wookieepedia you know.
You could provide a argument for or against pod racing so I'll just let it be. I don't want to jump down your throat with every opportunity I get with my own personal opinions.
If you haven't see them, you should watch Redlettermedia's videos on youtube about episodes 1 and 2. If you just ignore the wierd stalker parts he throws in the video as comedy he does a very good job of calling out all the massive plot holes and general failings of the films.
Also I can never forgive Lucas for Mediclorians. NEVER!
What's wrong with mediclorians? Did it shatter your dreams of becoming jedi, as it did mine too?
I personally don't agree with Redlettermedia's videos from the little I saw, he's a major critic. Ya know, I could pick apart any movie and leave it for dead. It's all about knowing your audience and knowing what to approach, then of course how to approach it.
I honestly don't agree with what I saw, I think if you're a hurt fan boy then you're open to his suggestions, but off the bat I find a number of areas where i disagree with him.
He's just exploiting imperfections. Every movie has a lot of imperfections, esp creative movies where the writer can tend to be a little absent minded at times. He's just good at taking something that's imperfect (everything) and bringing that to the surface, where as you would usually dismiss it or accept it as it was, because everything else around you has imperfections as well.
In presentation of information he mainly notes in-completion, imperfection, which is in fact inevitable.
He's got the right subject and the right wit to manipulate his viewer. You're interested so you bite into it, he's voice is comical so it's like butter to your potatoes.
He brings your attention to something that is flawed to note that it is flawed, I didn't really see any real attacks or points made in his video. I did not see any real gaping problems, if anything I saw some one noting a in-completion from imperfection. A void of substance in something that is redefined to a 2 hour time period...
.Anyone can look beyond, envision beyond what they can see!
JUST LIKE ALL THE STAR WARS RIP OFFS IN HISTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The bloody trick is miniaturizing it into a 2 hour period! (ARGH!!!!!)
I could ask why isn't this happening, where is this!? Why did this happen, we never saw why!
I could sit here and pick him to pieces if I liked...
It's an imperfect view of a world that is cinematic and false! It's not reality, it's a false reality!
Things were noted such as missing information and the lack of immense filler. You can't radiate a perfect movie when you're not perfect yourself. The movie is of substance, it's a 2 hour work of art and vision crammed prepared for a fully conscious and changing mind.
The mind which is continuously calculating and solving, re-in-visioning and creating can note the inefficencies! What he does is tinker toys!
Child's play!
ANYONE CAN DO WHAT HE'S DONE!
You can't look at any mature work of art and expect to be able to see everything that you are reflected within because it's the artist and his skill and tact to reflect himself minimially into his work of art to reflect a message and theme greater than himself that connects to you on varying levels because you can not instill an entire human conscious and soul into a work of art!
You can't expect to watch a movie and find no flaws if you go looking for them or an in-completion! It's not in the flaws of a movie that it is flawed it's in the way that it is crafted! This movie has the best effects, good actors like Natalie Portman, Obi Wan, Padame!
His vision is narrow to the vision once unfolded by the writer, artist, because he is polluted with too much vision of his own!
It's a movie, not a class session , not a equation! It's a stream of consciousness where a artist struggles to solve problems, to tell a story in 2 hours where the story is much larger than himself. To note in completion and imperfection is to state the inevitable!!
So damn his inconsistencies and his flaws!
His complaints are generic and uninspired, flat and un-envisioned! He's a talentless hack and critic!
He chooses to look through a scope with a dirty lens!
Child's play!
WHOOOO!!!! MAUAJAAHAHHAH! HOHOHOHOH!! WHEEEEE!! HOHOHOHOH!!! WOOT WOOT WUNDERBAR!
Thanks for sharing that with me.
I'd like to see this BAG OF POTATOES TO MAKE A MOVIE WITH HALF THE SUCCESS! Which is definitely not his critic videos!
AHAHAH CHILD's PLAY!
Every work of art has some amount of personal value to it, heaven forbid Lucas wants to reach out with his own ideas and narrow the focus to what he envisions! BOO HOO! It's a movie, I'm fat, entertain me! I can't make anything creative on my own so I attack successful people where they don't excel in perfection when you can't excel in perfection at every single angle and detail in a work of art!!!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAH! HOHOHOH!
Whooo..ahahah, too good. Too good...what a tool! Lets note how something is imperfect when it's ultimately successful and a work of genius so that my stupid comments seem to have value!
HA! HA!
HA AH HA!!!!!
WHAT A TOOL!
Look at me I can look beyond a work of art after it's finished and assert myself when in reality to assert myself would mean an entire rewrite and a new vision!
A creative mind has restraints, has rules in reality, struggles, you can't ascend every design flaw! Heaven forbid a man act off of inspiration and his best judgment in a imperfect world for the works in a fabrication of a fictional reality!
*breath* *breath*
Yes mark a in descencey on something ultimately created out of a creative and inspired mind and asserted on this universe with creative value and concept so that it takes away from it's value and pisses on others who may try to enjoy it and take inspiration from it! HUMP THAT BEAST RIDE IT RIDE! LIVE IN IGNORANCE AND BE A CRITIC ! STUMP STUMP EVERYTHING DESCENT and intellectual in the world!
DAMN!
ARGHH!!!!
RAGGGGHHGGHGH!!!!!
ARGHGGHGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Turn the creative results of man kind in the universe inward, taint them in jealously critical thought. PISS ON THEM !! PISS ON THEM YOU NO TALENT SON OF A BITCH! It's all designed for you after all you little Nerfurter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*breathe* *breathe*....
STAR WARS FOREVER! MAY IT INSPIRE ANOTHER GENERATION!
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(Finished, are you?) (Not sure, I am )
YEAH HE DID IT HIS WAY! Which is the only way he ever did it!
Anakin: I'm happy
Palpatine: No you're not
Anakin: You're right
*imperial march as Vader is created*
Obi-Wan: Well I sure bet on the wrong horse.
I don't know if Anakin tries to prove he's happy. I think he's pretty disturbed in ROTS, very troubled. That's my opinion.
I would be too if I had lost my mother and was having dreams about my wife dying
Yes.
3>>>1>2>4>6>5
Maybe it's because i was too young to watch the originals in the cinema (actually, i wasn't even born!) or the fact the major plot twists are extremely clichéd nowadays, but i just preffer the prequels. Episode 1 was the last film i saw with my dad before he died, which may have something to do with it aswell.
I don't think you're odd. I think that you appreciate these movies just as well and as much as anyone else if not more.
Thank you for sharing. I think it's really cool that you watched TPM with your father.
I grew up with these movies, I saw 4, 5 and 6 during their special edition release in theaters. I saw Episode 2 on the IMAX and probably 5-6 times in theaters and ROTS a few times too. I remember seeing TPM in theaters as well.
Seriously, he's a man with a wonderful vision, but he's terrible at being the one to implement it.
Also, they hired Jake Lloyd because, without makeup, he most resembled Luke of all the actors they looked at. Jake Lloyd is a terrible actor. Every movie he's ever been in (eg. Jingle All the Way) has him acting out lines in a way that sounds forced. They hired Hayden Christiansen because he could convincingly look like he's dark underneath, which makes him a decent pre-suit Darth Vader. He's a terrible Anakin though because, again, he's not a very good actor.
I watched behind the scenes stuff for Phantom Menace and idk why on earth they chose Jake Lloyd for his appearance compared to Luke. Isn't that what makeup and hair dye are for?
Yes, to be honest they're not all that great of actors. I have to admit that they were given their chance to prove their selves and didn't really wow anyone.
Well Ewan McGregor was great, I liked Samuel L Jackson's character too, and of course Ian McDiarmid,Christopher Lee,Anthony Daniels, and definitely Frank Oz.
The supporting characters were great too, felt very appropriate and fitting.
Hats off to Jimmy Smits, and Jay Laga'aia,
I also thought Anakin acted sort of off, I'll be honest but I just sort of pretended that the actor had more than one type of role he could handle and that Anakin was just dysfunctional and wooden and felt forced into things and irritable and whiny, with a edge of darkness and crazy.
I completely understand why some one wouldn't want to have to do this and would be upset if they had to try to, I never really thought much of it. Though he's not the greatest actor.
My favorite actor in the entire franchise, character rather, is Obi Wan Kenobi.
Seriously, I can respect that you love the prequel trilogy but you must understand that a lot of people don't share that view for what could well be seen as just as legitimate reasons as why you love them.
If you ignore the fact that the movies are prequels to one of the greatest Sci-Fi trilogies of our time then they are ok movies. The stories could be tided up a little and the acting a little less bland and creepy, but they do alright. When you remember they are Star Wars though, they just don't do the name justice.
Also, what is up with Lucas and his near racist charactertures of the different races?
LOL, some of it was just having fun with myself. I play with myself!
Anyways, I rather this thread die. Which was one hidden agenda as well. Two is too many.One is enough, I prefer the other one of the two.