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Avril Lavigne should go back to music

doodo!doodo!
edited July 2010 in General Chat
I really wish she'd stop being a tool to make money off of tweenies and would go back to being a artist instead of a commercial for fashion accessories and beauty products.

The sad part is that her inspired music from the first 2 albums is probably never going to occur again. All we'll get now is more commercials in some fashion. Even her latest single was a commercial for alice in wonderland...

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  • Olaus PetrusOlaus Petrus
    edited July 2010
    Tough break, but pop music business is all about money. If you want to find non-commerical (or actually less commerical, since anything besides underground is commerical) music, then you should try listening other music genres and smaller artists.

    Avril is in the big business and she won't become less of a product ever again.
  • doodo!doodo!
    edited July 2010
    CD 3 has good songs, I do agree with that. In many ways CD3 is actually better in my opinion but too many ditzy girls go around saying I LOVEZ HERZ SO PRETTIES!!!

    It's just so flaky and superficial from what she was before.

    I guess you're right though, you can change your reasons for why you do music. Years ago she can be quoted for saying she did her music to reach out to people, make a connection. Now it's about money green and SOOOZ PRETTIES!!!
  • FalancaFalanca
    edited July 2010
    I never really liked Avril. Probably because I'm not into that kind of music by itself. But I do find it utterly ironic that she has become one of those pop dolls that she was making fun of during the production of her first two albums. Sad, but it's how MTV rolls.

    I stick with my quality music and don't really bother myself.
  • taumeltaumel
    edited July 2010
    Maybe you should listen to Iggy Pop. Chances exist that he won't do the same. :O)
  • guitarsareboringguitarsareboring
    edited July 2010
    I'm With You is a bit of a 'guilty pleasure' for me.
    taumel wrote: »
    Maybe you should listen to Iggy Pop. Chances exist that he won't do the same. :O)

    ;)
  • GaryCXJkGaryCXJk
    edited July 2010
    I hope she's going back to her roots and starts singing the type of songs she was always meant to do:

    Shania Twain styled songs.

    Talking about Shania Twain, holy crap, she's aging pretty well. In a good way that is.

    By the way, for those who are unfamiliar, she once sang together with Shania Twain before she became a star.

    Also, despite the fact I don't even like most of her songs, she does have a special spot in my heart. You know, music wise.
  • IrishmileIrishmile
    edited July 2010
    You all realize she was groomed by the music industry from the start right? She was basically hired to be what she is..... she and the entire Disney/tween music empire is exactly what is wrong with the music industry.....
  • ElvenmonkElvenmonk
    edited July 2010
    Falanca wrote: »
    I never really liked Avril. Probably because I'm not into that kind of music by itself. But I do find it utterly ironic that she has become one of those pop dolls that she was making fun of during the production of her first two albums. Sad, but it's how MTV rolls.

    I stick with my quality music and don't really bother myself.

    I agree sir.
  • PsuniPsuni
    edited July 2010
    I actually grew up in Ontario with her until we were both roughly 8-10 years old. It's hard to remember what she was like, but I'm pretty certain we weren't "friends," lol.

    As for her music, well, I think some of her earlier stuff is really decent and it's not so much the genre, but just the entertainment factor. To me, music should be a form of expression/freedom/fun where it doesn't really matter what the classification is, just so long as you generally enjoy it.
  • doodo!doodo!
    edited July 2010
    Irishmile wrote: »
    You all realize she was groomed by the music industry from the start right? She was basically hired to be what she is..... she and the entire Disney/tween music empire is exactly what is wrong with the music industry.....

    No the industry doesn't have a heart, she used to have a big one. :p
    They may have been working her since the beginning of her career but she used to be very independent and sincere about herself, her music.

    Their has been a dramatic change from CD 2 to 3.
  • Astro GnocciAstro Gnocci
    edited July 2010
    Sincere, maybe, but independant ? At least as far as the music is concerned ?

    C'mon, i vaguely remember her first album, that was already nothing but uber marketed and over produced genereic buble gum pop.
    A few hooks and pseudo-loud guitars to appeal to the "rebel teenagers" part of the market.

    You've got every right to like it, everyone can have their guilty pleasures, but don't tell me she hasn't always been an industry product.
  • Olaus PetrusOlaus Petrus
    edited July 2010
    Astro Gnocci wrote: »
    Sincere, maybe, but independant ? At least as far as the music is concerned ?

    C'mon, i vaguely remember her first album, that was already nothing but uber marketed and over produced genereic buble gum pop.
    A few hooks and pseudo-loud guitars to appeal to the "rebel teenagers" part of the market.

    You've got every right to like it, everyone can have their guilty pleasures, but don't tell me she hasn't always been an industry product.

    Amen brother! Personally I believe that all "pop punk" is just regular commerical pop music, which tries to appeal to rebel teenagers with punk slogans.

    I'm more a metalhead than a punk, but I have been in many underground punk events where bands play hardcore, anarcho, street punk etc. Compared to those bands Avril and other "pop punks" are nothing but regular Disney pop princesses.
  • GaryCXJkGaryCXJk
    edited July 2010
    In my opinion, the death of the music industry was the moment people started complaining about "marketability" and "uninspiring". That's how it has been done since the beginning of the music industry people.
  • IrishmileIrishmile
    edited July 2010
    I once heard she didn't know who he was or how to say David Bowie.. anyone who claims to be a legitimate rock musician should be familiar with Ziggy... Its like a modern Rapper not knowing who Run DMC are.... Did I just show my age?
  • taumeltaumel
    edited July 2010
    You more mean Grandmaster Flash and the furious Five.
  • Astro GnocciAstro Gnocci
    edited July 2010
    GaryCXJk wrote: »
    In my opinion, the death of the music industry was the moment people started complaining about "marketability" and "uninspiring". That's how it has been done since the beginning of the music industry people.

    You're right, music has been a business aimed at making money ever since it's been possible. I agree that "it's commercial !" is not a valid argument in itself once you're past 15 years old (and even then, but oh well, i used to use it quite a lot back when i thought that MTV was against the system and all that crap).
    So there's nothing wrong with wanting to sell records. It's what's ON these records that start causing problems.
    It's easy to apply some songwriting techniques and trendy production tricks to turn a few banal ideas into a song that will be markettable. Now some artists might use all those tricks and put something more in it, call it soul or a message or actual "art" or anything you like, and that's okay : the result might be pretty radio-friendly, but so what ? There aint nothing wrong with "Pop music" in itself.
    It's when makin money is the ONLY goal of it that it starts gettin really lame. With a lot of succesful bands and singer, the songs really don't matter. Lavigne could sign britney spears songs and vice versa, it wouldn't change a thing. They don't sell music, they sell an image, an pretty but empty product.
    That's when i start saying that the music business sucks and so on.

    I'm too lazy to say more or try organizing this post a bit better, so i'm off to dress like an indian and dance to the village people.
  • doodo!doodo!
    edited July 2010
    Astro Gnocci, stop indirectly insulting me and being so full of your own opinion, thanks. I'm past 15, I'm 22 years old. Not every song I listen to on the radio or on CD is commercial, that's a fact. I'm not talking about selling music, or being on T-shirts...I'm talking about literal commercials for perfume.

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    I'm not even going to argue that's it's not all rebel music because it's not.
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    You know nothing about Avril Lavigne and should not talk about her.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONLr-zweXH0



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW2LTnzD-vE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cO_Gn15Ba0

    If anyone else is as clueless, please refrain from comments. Thanks.

    Her music has a little sign of struggle, inner demons, people who are frustrated and emotional, but it's not rebel music. Sorry, you're wrong and just talking out your ass. Don't talk down to me, either, thanks.
  • Astro GnocciAstro Gnocci
    edited July 2010
    Wow.

    Well first of all, i wasn't trying to insult you, directly or indirectly, so i'm sorry if it came out that way. That comment about being 15 years old was more of a joke and wasn't even adressed to you.

    I was surprised at your initial post and expressed my opinion on the subject, and i never claimed this opinion to be the only valid one.

    Actually i'm not even sure what exactly offended you so much. I sure don't have a lot of respect for Lavigne myself and this might show, but i was still commenting (wrongly or rightly, that's another matter) and definitely not mocking you.

    So i apologize once again if it came out as such, but i still think you just overreacted quite a bit here.
  • doodo!doodo!
    edited July 2010
    Astro Gnocci wrote: »
    Wow.

    Well first of all, i wasn't trying to insult you, directly or indirectly, so i'm sorry if it came out that way. That comment about being 15 years old was more of a joke and wasn't even adressed to you.

    I was surprised at your initial post and expressed my opinion on the subject, and i never claimed this opinion to be the only valid one.

    Actually i'm not even sure what exactly offended you so much. I sure don't have a lot of respect for Lavigne myself and this might show, but i was still commenting (wrongly or rightly, that's another matter) and definitely not mocking you.

    So i apologize once again if it came out as such, but i still think you just overreacted quite a bit here.

    LOL maybe I did...

    She is special, it's too bad more people don't see it. Some day the world is going to get to her.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP7ePuMyiUI&feature=related (Rest her soul)
  • JedExodusJedExodus
    edited July 2010
    I'll listen to anything if it's good. I just don't think she's good is all :S
  • doodo!doodo!
    edited July 2010
    JedExodus wrote: »
    I'll listen to anything if it's good. I just don't think she's good is all :S

    As in you don't like it or you don't think she has any talent? LOL

    At any rate this is the Avril I liked
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Wi_kVGb5cw
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxxEt-6ViyA&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQryXpAuV-Y&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtGdFms_i0s&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjOD4pJ7TJQ&feature=related
    She singed with her heart. It's not the same anymore. If you don't get it after these videos, maybe a few more then you're right you just don't think it's good or get it.

    Peace
  • IrishmileIrishmile
    edited July 2010
    doodo! sometimes you scare me man...
  • JedExodusJedExodus
    edited July 2010
    doodo! wrote: »
    As in you don't like it or you don't think she has any talent? LOL

    Bit of both I guess, she's not a particularly great performer (and i've actually seen her live at a festival) and I don't rate her at all as a songwriter.

    What can I say, not my cup of tea
  • doodo!doodo!
    edited July 2010
    LOL I had it out with some girl in the UK about Avril Lavigne
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFL8BZxC-LM
  • ShwooShwoo
    edited July 2010
    I read the discussion, and I think you need to do a bit more research on feminism before you argue about it.
  • doodo!doodo!
    edited July 2010
    Shwoo wrote: »
    I read the discussion, and I think you need to do a bit more research on feminism before you argue about it.

    I'm here to learn. Enlighten me, do your best cuzz I'm listening.
  • doodo!doodo!
    edited July 2010
    I tried to learn some more on my own but this was the best I could come up with...
    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AjQfn047w2aDJDkVu8D8UfPsy6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20100716103451AAqj6W6
  • ShwooShwoo
    edited July 2010
    Sorry, I went to bed after I posted that. I'm not really an expert on feminism, but let's see.

    Yahoo Answers isn't really the best place for that kind of thing. A lot of the answers are really off. In general, I mean. The ones you got are clearly jokes.

    First of all, I think you have too much of an us and them view towards women. Asking what women want is the wrong question. Women aren't one big homogeneous mass who all want the same thing. Women are people, just like men, and most people don't want to be treated like they're some weird and unknowable mystery.

    The Yahoo Answers post also came across like you were expecting only guys to read it, which especially strange since you were asking about women. That seems to happen a lot on the Internet, and I find it sexist. And really annoying. Women use the Internet too.

    In the argument you had on YouTube, you said that cosmetics are inherently degrading to women. Although I think it's wrong to expect women to always wear makeup just because, there's nothing wrong with wanting to look good because you enjoy it.

    Feminism, usually, is about treating women equally to men, not stopping them from doing traditionally feminine things. That's like saying that a woman is only valid if she acts like a man.

    My point is, women and men are both people.

    I'm sorry if that didn't make sense or jumped around a lot.
  • doodo!doodo!
    edited July 2010
    Thanks for your insights. I'll try to treat everyone the same, a lot of guys can't really do that though.

    I do admit that I believe their are true generalizations about us all when you find the right angle. Or things that more or less hold true, add up.

    Thanks for sharing.
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