Sam & Max X's Adventures (Contains Spoilers)
At the end of TCTDNS, Max X says that his Sam turned into a beast with eletromagnetic powers. Could it be that the Xs had all of the same adventures as the Primes, but changed with the battle with Charlie X.?Instead of letting Max fall, Sam gets on the torch, throws Max outta the way, and Sam fuzed with Junior. And possibly everything that happened in TCTDNS happened again, but everything with Max was replaced with Sam, and vice versa. Another large change may be that after Junior Sam X was blown up by Max (That makes me wonder, does SAM have a Super-ego personification?), Max X hopped on the Elevator and went back to the past (or future, depending on the time Max leaves) and initated the end of TCTDNS. And assuming that the X timeline is parlell, maybe Max X recalled adventures or crimefighting, depending on what you do.
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So when Sam and Max prime went back to 102, things changed when their past selves jumped two years into the future, taking the recording contract with them, and they had to relive those two years themselves. To the outside eye, the only thing that would be different is that Sam and Max had to find a different way to get a recording contract in 102, but in reality, Sam and Max prime essentially took the place of their alternates, while their alternates, who were native to that universe, skipped two years ahead.
So why am I talking in circles about this? Because what I'm trying to demonstrate is that if Sam and Max A skipped those two years, it shouldn't be possible for Sam and Max prime to have arrived where they did in Chariots of the Dogs. In essence, this is the key in proving that whatever happens to Sam and Max A has no effect on Sam and Max Prime because their past is in an alternate universe. Sam and Max A are alternate versions of the Primes, not past versions.
tl;dr: Nuh-uh, he should too be there!
I get it now >_>.
Ah, I see. So the Primes had to relive their lives in the Alt. timeline, and with that the Prime timeline didn't continue.
Still, a universe where Sam and Max just up and vanished is a pretty sad thing. And if you think about it, there's a decent chance that this is what happened to this alternate timeline after 305. In fact, if Sam hadn't gone back for his hat, I fear the other characters may have believed he committed suicide, unable to deal with his grief over losing Max.
First off, Sam & Max A showed an interest in getting to the moon that wasn't present in the past version of Sam & Max Prime. That means the divergence point creating them actually predates the introduction of the time machine.
To further corroborate this: in the A versions, Sam rather than Max has The Gift. Since this is an innate quality, they would have to be alternates from the start.
But there's a more serious objection than that. What with Sam A becoming a huge monstrosity andsoforth, Sam & Max A's escapades create a significant divergence relative the Alternate Timeline. Under your theory, they should be creating alternate timelines of their own, and can never make it back to the Alternate Timeline they came from using time travel alone.
I think there's no getting around the conclusion that the time traveling elevator can actually also do parallel-universe travel where needed to the plot.
Come to think of it, there is a way out the last objection: if Sam & Max A's trips only take them to a future beyond TCTDNS, then the divergences they create are irrelevant and Max A can still get back to an equivalent of the Alternate Timeline. If you're generous you can then even claim that Max A's reintroduction negates the later divergences. But that still doesn't solve the other issues.
Elaborate, please? It's been a while since I played 204, so I'm not sure what you're talking about here.
Not necessarily. The only thing that even came close to suggesting that Sam A had the gift was that he was the one to turn into a monster. First off, if this was an alternate timeline thing from The Devil's Playhouse, Sam could've just as easily swallowed the demon yolk if circumstances had changed. Max's psychic powers didn't really have anything to do with the Junior transformation. Besides that, the electromagnetic powers bit suggests that Sam A turned into a completely different monster from Max Prime.
But all that aside, there's another reason that this doesn't matter, which I'll address in a moment.
Chuck's comment suggests that all this took place in the same timeline as The Devil's Playhouse, just somewhere else. That for the duration of the six episodes after 204, Sam and Max A have been having adventures of their own. It's entirely likely that they used the time machine to escape somewhere else and then just left it alone (probably in the closet) until Max needed it to find another Sam.
And if there were any universe alterations, I imagine that it works sort of similar to Back to the Future. Sam and Max Prime, already being inherently foreign to this timeline, were unaffected by any changes Sam and Max A may have brought about. Or, if you do consider Sam and Max Prime as being a part of this timeline now, it's also possible that the current timeline is an offshoot of timeline A and that Sam and Max Prime-A were copied over to timeline B as Sam and Max Prime-B.
I imagine that scenario would look something like this.
It can be assumed that Sam and Max B would have escaped in the time machine and gone on to do the exact same things as their predecessors unless Sam and Max A caused them to follow a different path the way Sam and Max Prime did to them.
Ok, I'll grant this much.
I'd like to see that comment, but I suppose that could work. Nobody noticing the giant Sam monster is a bit of a stretch, but I suppose it's par for the course.
Hm, I hadn't thought of that one. So in this case we have actually been witnessing timeline B ever since the Chariots finale. Fascinating, and I can't think of any objections.
I don't know how to explain that, really. My best guess is that Sam saw they were on a spaceship and was simply curious, with it not really having anything to do with his current case. I'd have to go back and see the exact dialogue again, and since I'd like to run the whole series again, that's gonna be a while.
Sure, here it is:
Also, I asked the same question about nobody noticing the Sam monster, and Chuck had this answer:
So I suppose that's a good enough answer.
Thanks. I pride myself on coming up with insane yet plausible explanations for things. You should see my rant on how the entire Monkey Island series was the plot of the Voodoo Lady. I don't believe any of it, but it all works.
Can someone sum this up simply?
-In 204, Sam and Max (from the original universe, so we call them Prime) travel back to 102 to get a recording contract. Past Sam and Max (we'll call them A) steal their time machine and skip ahead to 204. This creates an alternate timeline with an extra Sam and Max.
-At the end of 204, Sam and Max A steal the time machine and go to parts unknown as the ship is about to be destroyed. We don't hear from them again for a while.
-Somewhere between 204 and 305, Sam and Max A have adventures somewhere other than New York, and Sam A is turned into a giant electromagnokinetic monster, and Max A is forced to destroy him.
-At the end of 305, Max A uses the machine to find Sam Prime, and having both lost their partners, they join up and either ride off into the sunset or hop back in the time machine.
Does that work?
could you point me to the forum for that discussion please, cause i can't find it
Me. I kinda imagined the Doctor popping in at some point and taking away the time elevator. "Stop messing with my time-stream! You're screwing it all up!"
Here you go.
And now because I told you that, there's going to be two results for that search instead of one.
Very much so. This all makes perfect sense now.
I have a feeling I'm going to struggle with Back to the Future...
Good luck thinking up having to freeze a hamster for 100 years without walkthrough